Report: Cop killings almost double

2011-05-06 10:04

Johannesburg - The number of people shot dead by police officers has nearly doubled since 2006, Beeld reported on Friday.

It quoted figures released by Gareth Newham, head of the crime and justice programme at the Institute for Security Studies.

Newham said 281 people were shot dead by the police in 2005/2006.

That number increased to 568 in 2008/2009 and 524 in 2010.

"Many more people get shot dead by police than what we hear about," said Newham.

"Andries Tatane's death was the trigger that turned the attention to police brutality. The difference between Tatane and somebody else who was killed by police, is that Tatane's death was captured on camera."

SABC television news footage shocked the country last month when it showed a group of policemen beating Tatane at a protest in Ficksburg in the Free State, before shooting him dead.

Eight policemen are currently on trial for the assault and murder.

  • DonQuixote - 2011-05-06 10:14

    Ever the victims, the inured South African Police Service continues to persist in their gifted strategy of dividing the entire nation into people who are either for them or against them – as opposed to, well, stuck with them. Citizen policing, as one journalist succinctly put it, is much like citizen journalism, but with the ability to park in a disabled bay whilst buying a sausage roll.

      Thangy - 2011-05-06 10:32

      "Shoot to kill" - Bheki Cele

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-05-06 11:12

      maki, ur an idiot and ur brain got stuck a few years back!!! Well done the way to move forward is living in the past... Ur waisting our oxygen!!!

      Rocky_III - 2011-05-06 11:14

      @maki. Hey dumb dumb 2 wrongs do not make a right. What happened then was wrong and what is happening now is wrong. Period.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-05-06 11:49

      Keep up the unofficial capital punishment!

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-05-06 12:19

      @Maki: I must read a copy of "History of South Africa by the ANC". Seems the facts and figures in this account of what happened in our countries past. Since you chose 1984 (obvious racial reference), here are some interesting figures for you: According to HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid. 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. 92% of deaths were Africans killing Africans - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-05-06 12:32

      For your reading pleasure: 7000 political deaths between 1948 and 1989. That averages out to about 170 killed per year. That's a third of how many people cops killed in 2010 alone.

      betha - 2011-05-06 12:42

      @Unskinny Bob, i dont think Maki will understand you, way too many numbers words exceeding 4 characters

  • the_truth - 2011-05-06 10:15

    Beginning to sound and look like scaring all SA's into a dictatorship!!

      VaderOns - 2011-05-10 13:17

      No one dare oppose the alpha male at the head of a pack of mad dogs.

  • RobertKay - 2011-05-06 10:16

    That was to be expected, wasn't it? When your main manna, a so called "General" tells all and sundry "Shoot first, ask questions afterwards" there are going to be more victims of random shootings. It's becoming like a CLint Eastwood movie - "look at me, and make my day!" I think the good general should head for his nearest police manual and read up how a professional policeman should behave.

      WillowI - 2011-05-06 11:55

      I think this stat on it's own is meaningless - I remember the Police general saying that Police won't allow criminals to kill with impunity anymore (after two cops got killed again). It should be compared against the amount of cops killed in same period. If that figure has decreased then it would be obvious why more criminals got killed. Also maybe compare against figures when ex-mayor Giuliani started cleaning up the criminals in New York (for which he was highly commended).

  • Spoofed - 2011-05-06 10:16

    There is a big difference between shooting at somebody who is running from the police and an innocent civilian...

      BakkieB - 2011-05-06 10:28

      Agree. Shootings may have increased but what is the ratio of criminals to innocent bystanders who were shot. A bit of sensationist or selective reporting?

      Spoofed - 2011-05-06 12:18

      Selective reporting my friend.. always is sadly =(

  • Jeff - 2011-05-06 10:19

    You want to solve crimes bring back death penalty it will make them think twice.. this shoot to kill is going to curve nothing it just means we going to get trigger happy police

  • PMG - 2011-05-06 10:23

    The SAPS under the leadership of the pimp Cele is a complete and utter embarrasement to the nation.We dont have police officers - we have uneducated moron ANC cadres ready to shoot first and ask questions later.

  • saabnut - 2011-05-06 10:23

    There is a culture in SA of resorting to violence in order to get one's way. This is a fundamental mindset that needs to change, before we will achieve a more peaceful, less violent society. Every time there is a COSATU strike, non strikers are intimidated or even killed. The SAPS is absolutely no different. Fight fire with fire Cele says. Why don't they give us the stats that tell how many police men and women have been murdered for their firearms over the same period? We may be even more shocked... Then, why doesn't this all- caring government embark on a program to improve social cohesion and tolerance. With that will come responsibility and discipline. Don't even mention the impact that poverty directly has on crime stats, whilst Zuma and his ANC cronies continue to line their pockets and feather their nests at the expense of the masses who put them there...

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-05-06 10:33

      @ Saabnut - Exactly - The people responsible, and paid by tax money to be so, never take responsibility. Not the Officer, not the Commissioner, not the Minister nor the President.

  • Homo Sapien - 2011-05-06 10:24

    It would appear as though we never left the culture of the old apartheid regime, where cops had this attitude of "shoot first and (maybe) ask questions later". I am in full agreement with "zero tolerance", but to simply kill the perpetrator is not always the solution to the problem. If we have more effective, visible policing, their will be less criminals to shoot.

      Homo Sapien - 2011-05-06 11:26

      @Maki - "Violent thugs" like Andries Tatane and Jeanette Odendaal? The "real" thugs like Schabir Shaik are walking free, protected by the government that should ACTUALLY go after criminal masterminds like him and Jacob Zuma.

  • Ryno - 2011-05-06 10:26

    the problem is that people that cant even hold a job as a waiter, can become a cop plus have a criminal record!

  • kingswing69 - 2011-05-06 10:32

    they just grab anyone off the streets and give them a gun and thats how the country get the police without any training

  • Wow! - 2011-05-06 10:34

    Regretably the Police are the thugs these days. This may be a generalization BUT the pattern is that it is growing alarmingly.

      wgibsonsa - 2011-05-06 12:41

      Look at the racial makeup of the police thugs. All black. I did not see one white cop beating Andries Tatane. All the cops involved in thugery have been black. Another example is the Johannesberg metro cops involve in criminal activity. All black. I will retract this statement if we can get the race of each of the alleged perpetrators in all reports of police violence against taxpayers.

  • Superdude - 2011-05-06 10:38

    The shoot to kill order is as damaging as shoot the boer song. It has no place in a democratic society.

  • Maiavan - 2011-05-06 10:41

    Wish we could get the stats on arrests as well. Not just valid, criminal ones but the "arrest as intimidation and then released" ones.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-05-06 10:52

    Well with a criminal giving you orders what else did you expect?

      Maki - 2011-05-06 10:58

      Since when did Helen Zille start giving orders??

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-05-06 11:19

      maki u r the biggest lol, do u even know what u r saying? damn man this guy next to me cant stop laughing at ur IQ/common sense. u should meet up with tsepo and disciple, i swear i wil find ppl to sponsor u for a tv show.(comedy) dude we can make lots of money with ur IQ!!! Think about it!!! rofl

  • Staalbal - 2011-05-06 11:20

    As long as only criminals get shot it is a good thing. A bullet is much cheaper for the tax payers than looking after the scum in prison

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-05-06 14:01

      Tell that to the innocent lady trying to drive off from a police station.

  • WhiteAfrican - 2011-05-06 11:25

    "Many more people get shot dead by police than what we hear about" Many more rapes, farm murders, muti killings, etc happen than what we hear about. They would much rather have us believe it's all 'isolated' SO TELL ME SOUTH AFRICANS, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE TAKEN FOR COMPLETE FOOLS?

  • kaMazibuko - 2011-05-06 11:32

    Next week the stats will say violent crimes are on the rise and ull change tune....The General was right by saying "Shoot Kill" there was a stage where criminals will do as they please bcoz they know how difficult life is going to be for a policeman once they shoot them....lets just call on more training for the cops and harsh punishment for the ones who resort to shooting first even where they can arrest criminals

      Totman - 2011-05-06 13:51

      I think training and cleverness is the problem. You must fight power with power in SA, but all cops are not being steady in there actions. They do something stupid and think later. Give them heavy training and if not successful they must be fired. It seams the old days is back. You can be stupid as long as you are big, strong and following instructions blindly.[Sorry for the good cops, but that is how it looks from outside.]

  • Naraku - 2011-05-06 11:33

    Eish, and I thought people didn't take words literally. Seem to have taken the words "shoot to kill" very literally.

  • ponderousme - 2011-05-06 11:38

    Reminds me of Stephen King - the Dome...

  • Gazwa - 2011-05-06 11:59

    We all seem to be losing track of the real issues at hand: The Police similar to the SANDF do not get the proper training, they do not have the leadershiop that has the power to control those beneath them. Proper governance and training is what is needed. You cannot short cut the system by placing numbers in boots only.It is all very inspiring when the top dogS bandY numbers around to impress and hold fitness rallies. Without discipline, training and brains the force is going nowhwere. But then again you reap what you sow, just look at the "you owe me handouts culture " that in itself contributes to lawless,corrupt society in which we live. It's not about history or's about the small number of people who wish to control everything for themselves and not for the people. They wish to keep the masses divided and they wish to feed the brainless uneducated masses the same old rhetoric and stoke the fires.

      Totman - 2011-05-06 13:53


  • goyougoodthing - 2011-05-06 12:09

    They should shoot more often

  • st14338637 - 2011-05-06 12:13

    Kill more thugs! A bullet saves us the cost and time of prosecuting and looking after a criminal - over 75% of whom will be re-offenders!

  • nem - 2011-05-06 12:32

    Hats off to the Western Cape Police they patrol my street regulary and daily too.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-05-06 12:58

    They should shoot more often

  • StraightTalker - 2011-05-06 13:53

    amazing 5 years ago people were complaining the police are not allowed to shoot.... now they are complaining that they are allowed to shoot. Please make up your minds.

  • JESTER - 2011-05-06 14:53

    Has anyone thought that maybe well its not a maybe, that the Violent Criminals also double in amounts therefore the famous quote, -- cause and effect !!!

  • keng - 2011-05-06 14:55

    Two days ago I had a very unpleasant experience with dealing with the "new and improved" SAP. "People" broke into my shop and ran away when the alarm activated. They only stole our Standard Bank credit card machine; probably thought it was a very large cell phone. Hope they sell it to one of their friends. I wasn't too concerned but thought I should report the crime to the "Police". There were 3 "officers" on duty. 1 whitey 1 so called coloured and another. Unfortunately I drew the "another". This bastard made my life hell, was rude beyond words, was arrogant, and ignorant. I simply told him that ADT had phoned when the break in occurred. It took him 1 yes 1 hour to write up the report. At no time was I offensive to him, I gave him my ID number and he still insisted on my date of birth. Having given him my DOB (1st 6 digits of ID) he then asked my age. When I pointed out that he had my ID and DOB he became really upset. The coloured cop probably handled 15 cases whilst I stood waiting for this bastard to write his report. I didn't have a "break in" on the report, I had a "braking" but decided not to point out various errors. Next time I will let other people go before me if "another" is available and take my chances with the C's or W's of this world. It's a pity how one "Little shit" changes our perspective of a whole ethnic group

  • demonsofhate - 2011-05-06 19:56

    "Report: Cop killings almost double" should read: "Report: Cop killings by BLACKS almost double"!!!

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