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Right to dignity only applies to people: Judge

2012-05-24 13:31

Johannesburg - The right to dignity and privacy only apply to President Jacob Zuma as a person, not in his capacity as the ANC's or the country's president, the High Court in Johannesburg heard on Thursday.

"[The right to] dignity and privacy do not apply to the second applicant [the ANC], and the first applicant [Zuma] in his capacity as president of South Africa and as president of the ANC," said Judge Neels Claassen, dictating a note into the court record.

The African National Congress is applying to have artist Brett Murray's painting "The Spear" removed from public display. It depicts Zuma with his genitals exposed.

Advocate Gcina Malindi, representing Zuma, had submitted that Zuma's constitutional right to dignity had been infringed by the painting.

Zuma felt the painting violated his dignity as a president in those capacities, but the court heard that this right in the Constitution only applies to a human being.

Malindi said the right to dignity, in terms of Section 10 of the Constitution, could never be taken away from anyone, even during a state of emergency.

The court also heard that the application to the court had been changed.

Originally it was an urgent interdict that the painting be removed from the Goodman Gallery, and images of it from the City Press website.

But now Zuma, the ANC, and Zuma's children want the painting and images of it not to be shown anywhere.

Malindi could not immediately explain how this would be achieved, given its wide distribution on the internet.

Those in the courtroom include ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and the ANC's Tony Yengeni, as well as party spokesperson Jackson Mthembu.

The case continues.

Comments
  • Jared - 2012-05-24 13:35

    Looks like the ANC is struggling to keep their head above water so far...

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 13:40

      I wish people in this country would just get over themselves. Showing our 'leader' like this is what happens when he opens himself up to scrutiny. He's our president for goodness sake, he's expected to set a better example !!! Just because the ANC don't like it, does NOT make it r@cist. Get a life ANC and your supporters. We're tired of you lot always pulling the race card when it suites you. Pathetic bunch ...

      Denis - 2012-05-24 13:49

      They should have hired a more competent advocate.

      JohnSloan - 2012-05-24 13:51

      @charles: you must stop playing the race card card: Race-Card Card - An unjustified knee-jerk to a supposedly unjustified knee-jerk reaction pertaining to race. The white man plays this card in order to avoid conversations on race

      John - 2012-05-24 13:51

      Possibly, they have been caught with their d**ks in their hands?

      channing.froom - 2012-05-24 13:54

      i declare every 1 must put the picture as their facebook profile picture !!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 13:54

      John, firstly, you're not white but a black man who's trolling here looking for attention. How old are you? Like four? Racism is NOT defined by which race group someone comes from. You should know that. Bl@cks in SA, some of them, are incredibly racist towards whites and other minority groups. See statements from the ANC regarding coloureds in the Cape and Indian in Kwazulu-Natal. See 4 000+ farm attacks against innocent white families. You're an idiot. Goodbye

      JohnSloan - 2012-05-24 13:56

      Well charles you don't have a clear understanding of the term "racism". You see racISM can only be commited by a group who have significant institutional power (whites hold over 90% of the institutional power in SA) therefore black people can't be racist. Racism is predjudice combined with power.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 14:02

      JohnSloan, I shouldn't waste my time arguing with you cause it doesn't sound like you've finished school yet. Since when does racism have anything to do with those 'holding' insitutional power ??? Like I said, you're an idiot

      QuantumDM - 2012-05-24 14:03

      @Charles Dumbwin: I know I am off topic, so I will take the beating. But, how can you make a statement like "Just because the ANC don't like it, does NOT make it r@cist. ", when you will happily say "Because I do not like evolution, therefore it makes it unreal". I struggle how you defend sound reasoning regarding the ANC and their shenanigans, but come evolution...

      Johnny - 2012-05-24 14:08

      @JohnSloan - Racism is not about numbers, groups or minority vs majority, its about, and I quote "Discriminatory or abusive behaviour towards members of another race". Thus black people can be racist ! Seems like YOU do not understand the word "Racism"

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 14:17

      QuantumDM, VERY off topic. Keep this debate for the right article please.

      sian.okeeffe - 2012-05-24 14:23

      @JohnSloan - for your eduction specifically, here is the universally acknowledged definition of racism (and I say universally acknowledged because, though you may not know it, there are racists in other countries too): rac·ism - pronounced [rey-siz-uhm] - noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. As can be clearly seen from the above definition, based on the curent system of government in South Africa, policies such as BEE and the general attitude of people such as you, the only racists here are the ANC led government and people like you that keep voting to keep them into power. As they say in court, let the facts speak for themselves ...

      Felix - 2012-05-24 14:32

      @John Slow, what happened to your panafricanis handle? Did you get blocked for being an idiot?

      Gordon - 2012-05-24 14:39

      A few points 1. Only Zuma, in his personal capacity, can challenge the painting. This would mean that he should be paying these lawyers, etc out of his own pocket, and not using state resources. 2. The question has been raised... "How would you monitor the banning of the image on the internet?". What could follow is a serious expansion on the current implementation of big brother monitoring. I wonder... doesn't China monitor and censor their citizens with this kind of technology. It's just a matter of time.

      Nick - 2012-05-24 15:29

      Water ??

      Paul - 2012-05-24 23:02

      indeed

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-05-25 09:48

      All I whant too say is....HAHAHAHAHAHA..Fricken..HA...

  • kabelo.leballo - 2012-05-24 13:35

    I think he lost his dignity way before the painting was painted.. lol.

      jacques.koorts - 2012-05-24 13:38

      hahaha

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 13:42

      I tell you what Kabelo, if The Prez had been painted with another 2 inches and a little more girth, he'd be happy with the end result. He wanted the Shangaan look, the real big Spear - the painting however is more of a scalpel.

      David - 2012-05-24 14:02

      Both the ANC and the prez have no dignity left. We'll respect the office, but if the occupant is a jack@ss , then we'll treat him like a jack@ss.

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-24 15:31

      It was that 'shower' comment that started it and his denigration [plus possible death threats] against his young female victim that lost him any respect from real educated people. The uneducated don't know the difference so they "go with the flow". Ayanda's painting should have kicked up more of a storm, but it didn't. Oh - he's BLACK, so this IS a racism thing. Sadly it plays into Zuma's hands in the run up to the Bloemfontein conference. The title of the exhibition was interesting though....

      antin.herinck - 2012-05-25 00:24

      And it won't apply to Zoomer himself either. Did you ever LOOKED at him! Zoomer is not people. He's an alien.

  • Gigo - 2012-05-24 13:36

    Why a white judge?

      NrGx - 2012-05-24 13:40

      just to P..ss you racists off

      Ronnie - 2012-05-24 13:41

      why not?

      Michaele - 2012-05-24 13:41

      Always have to bring race into it don't you?

      JasonMichelleVanderbijlpark - 2012-05-24 13:42

      Robert, u read my mind... Does the skin colour matter?

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 13:42

      The trial won't be fair...

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 13:43

      Why a stupid Prez?

      NrGx - 2012-05-24 13:45

      And what is fair Sganja - getting away with anything because you are black?

      placebo.effect - 2012-05-24 13:45

      HAHAHAHAHAH expected, like taxi drivers.. We only want black metro officers fining them because the white/indian officers don't let them off. No different from this, luckily the judiciary is the ONLY thing to hold these barbarians to account. Black white or otherwise, what Sganja who doesn't even have the right to disrespect the ganja name, doesn't understand this is the law. He is president not King.

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:47

      @Sganja - why not?

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:47

      @Sganja - You are an idiot and a racist... honestly the court does not favor race you fool

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-05-24 13:49

      Oh just STFU sganja................u racist moron

      Bryan - 2012-05-24 13:50

      Why are you breathing Sganja...

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 13:50

      @Peter I'm not a racist I'm just asking,why don't we have black judges? @Paul my poor Zombie what's your problem?

      Michaele - 2012-05-24 13:51

      Jou liggies brand maar daar is niemand by jou huis nie!!

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 13:51

      @Bryan because I'm one of the important person in this world.

      Ed - 2012-05-24 13:55

      sganja...there are MANY black judges. the judges however dont get to choose what they will preside over. i have a feeling that ALL judges, black or white or martian, did NOT want this. the law is the law buddy, no matter the colour...thats why the constitution, which was drawn-up by ALL parties, is there. respect it and go back to your ganja.

      craig.elliott.75 - 2012-05-24 13:55

      Sganja .. you are one of those brilliant entitled gentlemen that think the world owe's you everything. You, like the general majority always claim racism and cry foul. Maybe stop pointing fingers have a quick look at the three pointing back at yourself and be grateful for everything the white man has given you instead of been so fast to criticize!

      Merven - 2012-05-24 13:55

      Lol, no matter what colour the judge idiot. It still don't change the law. An entity or title can not fall under a person.

      Christopher - 2012-05-24 13:56

      So we can screw over Zuma that's why we picked a white judge. Go Whites!!

      Michele - 2012-05-24 13:58

      Sganja the law is colour blind, it pertains to everybody regardless of race, religion etc etc.

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 14:02

      @Michele we have seen previous with Dubul Ibhunu song,it was banned by a white judge because he was bias..

      James - 2012-05-24 14:10

      @SGANJA What eva makes u sleep at night!!!

      sabongam - 2012-05-24 14:12

      What do you mean a white judge Sganja...Would a black judge rule differently for the mere fact that he's black...What you're implying is that if the judge was black then the verdict would be different which ultimately says black judges are biased and will not apply the law objectively... Please my brother don't turn this into another racial storm in a tea-cup issue...

      Christopher - 2012-05-24 14:13

      @sganja...whites still run and control this country...we have the money with a few of your politicians that we own, and we are going to run it forever! People with the same mentality like yours are our foot stools!

      Forceptor - 2012-05-24 14:14

      Why not? Scumbag racist Sganja is racist. -_- Zzzzzz......

      Heinrich - 2012-05-24 14:15

      Why not a white judge? YOU ARE BEGIN RACIST!

      dekkeranton - 2012-05-24 14:24

      @Sganja - you racist sicko. Please remember it was a "white" judge that dismissed the rape charges against Zuma, and a “black” judge that send Tony Yengeni to prison. So it is only an unfair trail if you don't agree with the outcome? Justice is blind and don't see colour! Wake up and drop your racist attitude!

      Felix - 2012-05-24 14:37

      Sgangy, it's past two, you can go home from your municipality now.

      amanda.ntshwanti - 2012-05-24 14:39

      Maybe a white judge could be more objective than a black judge possibility that a black judge might see things that are not there and end up crying like the advocat.

      James - 2012-05-24 14:39

      I have to agree with dekkeranton . Sganja you are a racist piece of excrement who does not deserve a place in the new SA. Shame on you!!

      solverman - 2012-05-24 14:40

      Probably, because he went to university, studied... spent many years as an attorney... and advocate... re studied the constitution as and when the ANC change it or want to change... spent many years on the bench... protected our civil rights... and put baddies behind bars... preventing them from raping your bottom....

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 14:42

      You have a valid point there. It should have been a black judge then nobody would be able to play the race card. Sigh. But I'm sure they would have said the black judge is an indoctrinated coconut if he came to the wrong conclusion.

      eleanore.hill - 2012-05-24 14:53

      Gigo, as someone explained judges are assigned cases and they don't choose it. There are many judges of different nationalities. However if one expects for example aa black judge to have more sympathy for your case because the judge is of the same background you will be seriously mistaken. Another reader commented on another post saying the advocate is actually lucky as he knows of a black judge who is more strict and difficult. I can promise you most black judges would see it as an insult if you suggest that they will just take a side to satisfy the people who has race issues. They are proud of their work,their knowledge and achievements. The law does not see color, and judges just want to know if you have a case according to the facts. If you don't, and you waste their time and make a mockery out of the legal process, they tend to become very difficult. It could have been easier if there where black judges presiding, true, but this would only be to silence people who cannot get past their own racist feelings. Judges don't make decision according to emotion. Listen to the arguments, go read it up if you don't understand. Law can be difficult, but it remains interesting.

      josta.shivuri - 2012-05-24 15:49

      I just think Sganja is messing with you guys! I think he finds entertainment in that. He got you right where he wants. Please do not give him anymore of your attention because I personally think he doesn't deserve it. He either typed the statement to provoke you or merely to entertain himself or something worse. Either of the latter, his statement is void of any merit whatsoever, does not deserve even the slightest of consideration.

      Heinz - 2012-05-24 15:55

      Why a white judge? So that the work can be done properly.

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 16:05

      @josta.shivuri I'm not messing anyone,if you don't like my "freedom of speech" you have all the rights not to respond.

      Bruce - 2012-05-24 16:33

      And you are not racist?

      Bobby - 2012-05-24 20:47

      Why not demand that the judge is a member of the ANC, COSATU and the SACP? Before he's allowed to sit down, he should have to show the 3 membership cards to the press. Then we can go do our things and stop waiting for the outcome. This unsurity is all a meaningless waste of time, hey, Sganja?

      antin.herinck - 2012-05-25 00:25

      'Cause they are smarter, my racist friend

  • James - 2012-05-24 13:39

    Does the cANCer not realise that by going overboard you have immortalised this painting. hahahahahahahahahahaha.

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 14:41

      ...if I had to meet Mr. Spear I wouldn't be able to look into his eyes when I speak to him LOL... I would be talking to the real leader down there HAHAHAHA

  • ahpretorius - 2012-05-24 13:39

    Old pork sword aka JZ and tinkerbell his sensitive lawyer should fall on their own spears!

  • Michaele - 2012-05-24 13:40

    And for advocate Gcina Malindi crying I say "Give that amn a KLEENEX!!"

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-24 18:20

      Hey, he tried to sway the judge decission by crying! It failed, and as I said previously, the judge should order these laywers to pay the cost pro bono, meaning from their own pocket.

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-24 13:40

    Goodluck with that buddy!

  • winston.mullany - 2012-05-24 13:41

    What a bunch of chops!!! If these idiots put the same amount of effort into trying to solve crime and the rest of the country's problems, we might actually get somewhere!!!

  • John - 2012-05-24 13:41

    i think they better start learnig to live with it, gabreil shocks and and nando's have already used it in an ad

  • craig.elliott.75 - 2012-05-24 13:42

    They should apply for an immediate court interdict to shut down the internet... Malema and his cronies request worked so well 6 months ago to shut down twitter .. so it is a fail safe plan for sure! What a circus!

  • KeenanMag - 2012-05-24 13:42

    "Malindi could not immediately explain how this would be achieved, given its wide distribution on the internet." - FAIL. lol. I would love to see how the ANC would remove all pictures from the internet when their home-affairs "consultants" can't even operate their basic 1980's computers efficiently.

  • Fanie - 2012-05-24 13:42

    Confusing times JZ? If it is so embarrassing & in-dignifying, how come you are not in court?

  • Ed - 2012-05-24 13:43

    Yes it does...however somebody first has to be dignified to act witrh dignity. JZ does not even come close. I am embarrassed to have this idiot as a president. When other African countries now see us as a laughing stock (even Nigeria), its time to question the person in office. As for this being a rascist issue, to me its more of a generational issue as across teh board elder black, white etc people are more upset about it. it seems that younger, more intelligent people could not be too bothered or offended. maybe the pres will not start to set an example to the millions of people in this country who deserve to have someone who will hold the ideals of our country, the constitution and all of her people, up high...someone who will once again give us all hope that this is the greatest land on the planet...someone who can make bridge the divides that have been unnecessarily being created by petty politics. shoh, i dream and wish too much of an imbecile.

      Ed - 2012-05-24 13:45

      now to see if Jakob and his family (I wonder if Khulubuse is stull on lunch break??? quietly chowing down all food within a ten-block radias) understand how the Interweb work??? once its there buddy, you cant just remove it! hahaha

      Henry - 2012-05-24 14:14

      I think no sane person can honestly use the words "dignity" and "zuma" in the same sentence.It's just not cricket

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-24 13:44

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...see what happens when you lower the standard of education, Laywers fight rubbish causes AND cry when they dont get their way... shame, watch out next thing the Judge is racist...or ZUMA changes the law AGAIN to suite him and his needs

  • Konanani - 2012-05-24 13:46

    His name jacob=lo and his surname zuma=ser,so his a loser

  • Madeleine - 2012-05-24 13:49

    What about the dignity of the countries poorest citizens who lack clean water, food and education? I'm sure all the money and time that must be being spent on this farce could have gone a long way to restore their dignity. Pity about all these skewed objectives and frail egos.

  • Gandanga - 2012-05-24 13:50

    bring back juju

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 13:57

      From the Spear to the SpaceM@nkey. Good call.

      Bobby - 2012-05-24 20:57

      Yeah, I miss his humour, he would have had sum nice snotty remarks to say!! in that regard, he's the best, no doubt.

  • Phelamanga - 2012-05-24 13:52

    The whole bunch of compromised people are attending the process. One wonders what they have to benefit from the proposed censorship by the ANC. What have their family jewels done that requires their presence? They must be sweating as they sit there and find out that they have made genitalia out of themselves. These are the people who put Zuma into office, not the public, and now that all is laid bare, so to speak, they try to make an ass out of the law and the Constitution. Just goes to show what our leader actually are!

  • Hudayfah - 2012-05-24 13:55

    So why are you still arguing your case if you agree with the judge that dignity does not apply to zuma? the other question still remains though. Why did we not see the same uproar with Mabulu's painting? Is it because the race card could not be used? this whole matter reaks of a hidden agender.

  • Nicole - 2012-05-24 13:57

    Yawn Fest i am so board.....

      hvanderlinde - 2012-05-24 14:45

      yep... even bored

  • Timothy - 2012-05-24 13:58

    FAIL

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-24 14:02

    Carry on waisting the people of SA's money. Grow brains

  • Grace - 2012-05-24 14:05

    So does that mean he has to settle the legal fees from his personal capacity and not from our taxes? I hope so!!

  • Rubin - 2012-05-24 14:06

    The next thing will be that the judge is racist

      george.frangs - 2012-05-24 15:04

      Dude, he's white... That's pretty much a given now.

      Bobby - 2012-05-24 20:59

      Off course he is, he's white. Nationalists need an enemy, and they will find one, always.

  • Rubin - 2012-05-24 14:06

    The next thing will be that the judge is racist

  • Manu - 2012-05-24 14:06

    Interesting. So the dignity does not apply to the office of the president? Well maybe someone can explain to me why the English language has a word called 'Dignitary' which stands for a person of high official position or rank, in government or the church

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-05-24 14:11

    If the prez can only claim this as an individual and not as a president, then the case is even stronger. It is he the man that behaved like a bulldog in a plate of porridge - 13+ women (that we know about) and more waiting in the wings, 23+ children - it is that Behaviour that earned him the man the piece of satire that he finds so distasteful. You did it sir - you live with it. Stop making it someone else's problem. Just accept that this is how many people see you - without any morals whatsoever!

      asandamazizi.magills - 2012-05-24 14:35

      we never hear anything personal or private about Tata Madiba,Thabo Mbeki.why???bt Tata Zuma is alwayz on the news with disgusing things,where is the leadership,what must we lean from him,where is he taking us to??? Usiholelaphi....

  • Manu - 2012-05-24 14:11

    Another question, if we cannot attach dignity to officials or offices then why is everyone complaining about corruption, good governance and the image of government. If the concept of dignity cannot be applied to these offices then why expect people who act in the capacity of officials of government to be dignified in their conduct?

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-24 18:27

      manu, stop displaying your eastern cape eductaion here! did you not read what the judge said. Diginty does not belong to the anc who is the 2nd complainant in the case. Diginty apply to a person, not an organisation. Is this too technical for your half a brain cell to grasp!

  • dewaldmontgomery - 2012-05-24 14:11

    No we all know why the ANC wants to control the courts, just like the Nats did. Yes, just like the NATS did. So much for the struggle to get the courts independent from the ruling party. Eish.

      Sango - 2012-05-24 14:29

      why not compare them to the dictating government from the 80's instead of the NATS. Or you hiding the fact that they did exist.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-05-24 15:51

      What fact? That the NATS abused the courts to favour rulings? Just like the ANC is trying to get the courts they so much 'fought to be free from interference' to rule in favour of the ANC?

  • Alank1949 - 2012-05-24 14:12

    why doesn't the Zuma family buy the painting and do with it as they want

  • Victor - 2012-05-24 14:12

    Look what happened to bill clinton and he did not say a word, I am sure he just laughed it off.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 14:18

      well that whole thing was BLOWN out of proportion

  • Michael - 2012-05-24 14:17

    snnoorereee

  • Eban - 2012-05-24 14:20

    Please get over yourselves and move out the way of the remarkably amazing black people who DO take total responsibility and who actually want this country to work for ALL the people who live in it.

  • Oupoot - 2012-05-24 14:21

    This case reminds me of the case against Malema singing the "Kill the Boer" song. Again, freedom of expression, but instead of Whiteys complaining against the free expression by Blacks, its Blacks complaining about the free expression by Whites. I guess the Malema judgement will come & bite them in the bum now.

      Antipoaching - 2012-05-24 14:29

      The Malema song issue was a "hate-speech" issue, this is an issue about the JZ dignity. Freedom of Expression may be the argument put forward in both cases BUT the cases themselves differ vastly. The Malema judgemnet should have no effect in this matter

      Felix - 2012-05-24 14:44

      Yes because a painting is the exact same thing as calling for genocide.

  • bill.vanzyl - 2012-05-24 14:21

    It only needs 1 person to show a dislike for another based on race, colour, or creed for racism to exist. There are those that try to hide their own racism behind all manner of definition and justification. Remember that the Austrian Adolf Hitler was a racist long long before he became leader of the NAZI party and eventually Chancellor of Germany.

  • Enlight - 2012-05-24 14:30

    You all sit around this bonfire, drinking indulgently from a common soiled cup, belching the rot you were fed by your forefathers who amassed all for your insatiable desire of comfort at the expense of the common man, who, as you tap each other's shoulders in wild laughter and jest, sharing your false convictions, he stands on the periphery, unable to cast his opinion on these matters making you foolhardy believe, in these groups, you make sense.

  • victor.mthiyane - 2012-05-24 14:38

    I believe the judge is bias when says dignity applies to human,I was gona ask the jugde will he have no problem if we do the same to him and call all his children and granny and make mokery of himself!

      Nigel - 2012-05-24 15:01

      Yes of course, what else could it possibly be? Yes, the Judge must be biased. Probably a racist as well right? Yawn...

  • Danny - 2012-05-24 14:42

    The ANC and Zuma are on a hiding to nothing here. The fact that the right to dignity only applies to people is moot. Zuma is an animal.

  • Keith - 2012-05-24 14:43

    Look guys all the ANC Mafias in court ??

  • collen.masetla - 2012-05-24 14:45

    did jackson mthembu hear what was said there or was he drunk?

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 14:46

      who, Jackson Daniels Mthembu? Drunk?

  • johnvusip - 2012-05-24 14:51

    Racism is generally understood as either belief that different racial groups are characterized by intrinsic characteristics or abilities and that some such groups are therefore naturally superior to others, [1][2] or as practices that discriminate against members of particular racial groups,[1] for example by perpetuating unequal access to resources between groups.[3] The definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about what the word "race" means, and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn't constitute discrimination.[4] Some definitions would have it that any assumption that a person's behavior would be influenced by their racial categorization is racist, regardless of how seemingly benign such assumptions might be. Other definitions would only include conscious malignant forms of discrimination.[5] Among the questions about how to define racism are the question of whether to include forms of discrimination that are unintentional, such as making assumptions about preferences or abilities of others based on racial stereotypes, whether to include institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of racial stereotypes through the media and whether to include the socio-political dynamics of social stratification that sometimes have a racial component. "Racism" and "racial discrimination" are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis. www.wikipedia.org

  • Hannes - 2012-05-24 14:56

    remember this come next elections and you decide you are not in the mood to go stand in a line.... "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors". Plato

      carmen.boxall2 - 2012-05-25 13:36

      This is by far the smartest comment I have read so far. People cannot complain if they do not cast their vote. Two thumbs up!!!!

  • george.frangs - 2012-05-24 14:56

    Could someone please explain the Streisand Effect to JZ??

  • Nigel - 2012-05-24 14:59

    Who is bold enough to offer the actual definition of Racism? (not the ANC's twisted version - I mean the actual definition).

      Yogi - 2012-05-24 15:15

      What is yours sir? I'm dying to know. Racism is this disrepect of black people by whites who then turn around and call it art. Maybe racism is an art form. What do u think sir?

      Nigel - 2012-05-24 15:31

      That's not just wrong, it's pathetic. Anyone else?

  • tszigah - 2012-05-24 15:02

    The only way Malindi can stop this distribution of the pic over the internet, is to tell the ANC and everybody involved to just let it go. No Courts, No Complains just let it go...At least then Brett should meet with the President and both discuss what can the President do to change Brett's perception about him as long as he's President of SA...

      Nigel - 2012-05-24 15:12

      Phew - now that would be a very long meeting.

  • maria.ferreira.545849 - 2012-05-24 15:07

    Oh boy..... What a mess. Get over it Z.. and move on. You want respect? Earn it......

  • Stephen - 2012-05-24 15:22

    So sick of this so-called art story and the so-called hurt and shame supposedly experienced by some of the stupid ANC loving morons that infest this page.If we must talk about art then lets discuss the work of Alec Galloway, whose paintings were inspired by Rory Gallagher's guitar.

  • sipho.kunene.35 - 2012-05-24 15:30

    JZ Rights as a person has been infringed, despite the fact of irrelevent application made.

  • Spitsa1 - 2012-05-24 15:31

    Ye they think because they are the ANC, they can do as they please, and if I am correct, there is another painting in the Goodman Gallery that a black person did of Zuma, also with private parts.I read this on the web yesterday, if it is true, then why was nothing done about it?????? See because a whitey did it

  • Hannes - 2012-05-24 15:33

    ANC Propaganda at it's best, I bet u they even commissioned Murray to do the painting, keep fueling the fire of hatred as to divert attention from real issues, and gain sympathy for JZ while their at it, brilliant!!! I bet you they have eastern advisors.....