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Robbers thank family for co-operating

2012-08-22 09:35

Bloemfontein - A gang of robbers that overpowered a Free State family on their farm over the weekend thanked them for their co-operation before fleeing with cash, cellphones, jewellery and the family car.

Volksblad reported that the robbers over the weekend tied up Gerhard Karsten, 38, his wife Zurina, 36, their son Adriaan, 11, and a farmworker, Shadrack Louw.

Toddlers Thian, 2, and Mia, 1, were locked in the room with them.

The robbers told the family they had to understand that this was how they got money, just as the family got money from farming.

One of the robbers at one stage walked with Mia on his hip when she was crying.

The robbers asked for the R165 000 cash in the house that Karsten had made from selling sheep.

Karsten’s wife told how the robbers held them up, “They said it was a robbery. They wouldn’t hurt us but we had to co-operate.”

While one of the robbers was very aggressive and kicked Karsten while he was tied up the other was very friendly. Another robber was outside the house.

“My advice to people in a situation like this is not to be a tough guy, not to try and be a hero. If they get a fright, they will shoot you,” said Karsten.

Comments
  • janice.mcmaster.92 - 2012-08-22 09:44

    Now, those are the kind of robbers I like, if there has to be robbers!!!

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-08-22 11:25

      MMMmmm I like my robbers (and rapists and all other criminals) one way... DEAD!

      mo.matt.14 - 2012-08-22 12:51

      We should not like ANY robbers, of any kind. We should not HAVE robbers. People should not HAVE to rob to make a living, but be able to earn an honest income.

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-22 12:56

      So they asked for 165k, and they got it. This farmer got so much money he can bail out ABSA, I am sure they are coming back for another one, if farmers could make that much in a day

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-22 13:11

      Jackie stone 501 the farmer sold sheep!!!!. It is not what he makes everyday. Lord give me a break.

  • logical007 - 2012-08-22 09:48

    How did the robbers know that Karstens had sold sheep - and had R165000 cash in the house?? Hope these thieves are caught quickly!

      Matthew - 2012-08-22 09:55

      Inside information. Maybe a sore Rival after the farmer boasted his anual profits? anything is possible.but definately an inside source one way or the other

      johnnie.vercuil - 2012-08-22 11:57

      Did someone come to fetch money back?

      iceberg.standard - 2012-08-22 13:03

      Better bank the money and pay the receiver his share than having to go through this ordeal. Thank God they escaped unharmed.

  • kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-22 09:48

    Wow what refreshing news....A compassionate thief !Anyway glad the family is okay.

      peter.english.756 - 2012-08-22 10:01

      not very compassionate, they kicked the farmer

      Msika - 2012-08-22 10:08

      Still better than killibg the farmer, or raping his wife if you ask me.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-22 11:18

      A thief is still a thief. Just because he says please and thank you doesn't make him better. I'll only be pleased when the safely locked in jail.

      stefan.vosloo.33 - 2012-08-22 12:17

      Ag please, we all know that jail is a joke, and what are the chances if they are caught???

  • pieter0827006294 - 2012-08-22 09:50

    Thank God this family wasn't hurt. Mr Karsten and his family are unfortunately the exception to the rule.

  • DayanGovender - 2012-08-22 09:55

    Just because they were kind (if you can call it that) does not make it right. Telling your victims that this is how I get money like you do farming does not freaking make sense even as those words leave your mouth. Difference dude is that the farmer acquired his money legally whereas you threatened his well being to achieve your success.

  • Lesiba C Mmotlana - 2012-08-22 09:56

    Hopefully President Zuma will be happy when he read this!!

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-08-22 11:26

      Let us hope he meets the robbers personally.

  • annalene.nel - 2012-08-22 09:56

    certain people must wake up, how can you expose yourself by doing stupid things like keeping that amount of cash with you !

      adriaan.pieterse - 2012-08-22 11:06

      Only problem is if you pay tax on it your money is also getting stolen. So some people just don't declare certain income to avoid adding to the missing R5 Billion of tax payers money.

      Small.Mbongwa - 2012-08-22 11:07

      What if the sale ended after banking hours???>

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-22 13:13

      Annalee, if he sold his sheep late Friday, that could be why he had the money with him. Question is how did the robbers know?.

  • Msika - 2012-08-22 09:56

    Not supporting robbers and roberries, but I would prefer to be robbed like that than being killed or a family member being raped, tortured, beaten, etc. stolen money can still be regeneraret or claimed from the insurance co, but a lost life is lost forever. Give those robbers a bells for not killing or hurting any of the family members and the family for being co-operative they did the best thing under the circumstances. Hopefully the cops will catch this thugs.

  • twellington3 - 2012-08-22 10:03

    Well, there is a definitely a high chance that either Karsten or his wife organised the robbery, to claim insurance or other benefits!!! Robberies are usually done by inside people!

      Tony Lapson - 2012-08-22 10:06

      Insurance doesn't cover large cash amounts, dolt.

      dvanderwalt - 2012-08-22 10:15

      Please explain what is to gain by replacing what you have lost(stolen)? Insurance simply replace it. So please tell me why would one organise a robbery to replace somehing that you all ready have?

      Small.Mbongwa - 2012-08-22 10:15

      @Thabo so your assumption of robbery is that someone must be shot dead so that chances that the robbery is an inside job are lifted> Shallow minded>

      Shirley Van Heerden - 2012-08-22 10:32

      Idiot!!!!!!!!

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-08-22 10:40

      Thabo, you seem to know about robberies. Tell me, those farmers that were killed, was that insides that did go wrong? I am sure Mr Carsten would know that cash stolen is not covered by insurance, unless specified. There were no signs of break-in, broken windows, doors knocked down, in other words signs of a robbery. I am sure an inside job would not take place during day-time, as the signs of a robbery are required to claim for a robbery. I wonder why they took the risk of involving someone to drive the car which was stolen? All this clearly defines you did not think before your stupid comment, or if you did think, I do know you would have failed any IQ test!

      marius.j.rensburg.3 - 2012-08-22 10:44

      So what you are saying is that the family organised the robbery to claim the R165k back which the already had?????? Think before you speak please.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-22 13:14

      Thabo, then they will be in for a shock because insurance is not going to pay out.

  • tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-08-22 10:05

    Perhaps they could've asked Karsten for a job instead????????

      sedeshan - 2012-08-22 11:08

      That's exactly what I'm thinking. "Shame, look at us - we have rob people to survive". Get a job and stop being lazy!!

  • veldt66 - 2012-08-22 10:06

    Clearly the farmer valued the life of his family not the personal posessions that can be replaced. 90% of robbery becomes violent when the victim plays a tough guy!!!

      zane.zeiler - 2012-08-22 10:43

      Issit? Funny then how on most crime scene photographs of farm murders I have seen the victims are usually tied up before being tortured and then shot or stabbed. You take a big gamble if you comply with home intruders, sometimes the motive for the intrusion is not robbery...

      Donne.3 - 2012-08-22 11:14

      Clearly you have never been in the situation where it turned bad as you dont know what you are talking about!

  • riaan.herselman.7 - 2012-08-22 10:16

    Nice going , pls in future do not mention amounts of moneys in your article. You have planted a seed that just needs to be watered by a criminal mind , farmers + auction + money = robbery . Nice going.

  • danielle.vlok - 2012-08-22 10:19

    Now, this is a clear message to all those claiming farm murders are about unemployment and poverty. Perhaps they can now explain why, if "its unavoidable" for some to survive without stealing, some manage to do it without killing or raping anyone- but the rest hardly steal anything yet perform barbaric acts.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-08-22 10:21

    I understand everyone needs to make a living, but robbing is not going to solve their problems of providing the basics for their own families. They are forgetting that they are getting older. What are they going to do by the time they are 50 or so, still do the same or expect their own children to do it? I can't see that it is a sustainable "job". For the robbers I would like to say, thank you for not harming the house people and I sincerely hope that you will be able to get yourselves out of what you are doing and start anew. Times are hard, but instead of stealing, why not try asking and then try and work for something honest and obtain something the honest way. Even if you clean a toilet, work in a garden it does not make you less than a person than myself, because you are not harming someone but working for honest money and trying to provide for your families. I will have more respect for you trying to do a good thing the hard and honest way, than trying to be bad for a quick and easy buck.

  • duane.vanvuuren - 2012-08-22 10:27

    No such thing. Crime is crime. Just as there is no "white" lie or "black" lie. A lie is a lie. Hope they catch these guys.

  • nonza.mahlakwana.1 - 2012-08-22 10:28

    Even thought we don't like it but dat was a good job instead of killing de whole family for dat small money, thanx for nothing robs.

  • qandam - 2012-08-22 10:32

    I suspect one of them (farmers/farm worker) gave out info, how come they so kind and have all the info (cash)? but Thank God no one got hurt, just hope they get caught very soon.

  • Victoria - 2012-08-22 10:32

    Shock, horror! What is the world coming to. Glad that they were not harmed.

  • lerato.kutumela.7 - 2012-08-22 10:37

    i can relate very well, back in 2006 when I was held at gun point at home the robber who tied me down was kept assuring me they would be done and out in a few minutes and would not hurt me if i co-operated. He even asked his friend to put the gun away.. I still cant stay home lone in the evenings but I THANK GOD EVERYDAY I WAS NOT RAPED OR HURT PHYSICALLY.

  • riotousr - 2012-08-22 10:45

    Good advice. I will just co-operate. The thieves are from the local surrounding and with the help of the community they can easily find the criminals. But if the victims have that mentality of black and white, rather than criminal and victim, then ...

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-08-22 10:46

    That is not the way to treat robbers. Rather be prepared and don't become complacent like a lot of farmers are because they think they are safe on a farm. Stand up and shoot the nice robbers instead!

      marius.j.rensburg.3 - 2012-08-22 10:55

      "Stand up and shoot the nice robbers instead!" Yes!! Playing RAMBO while your entire family is tied down and at gun point is the best way, isn't it?

  • julie.khan3 - 2012-08-22 10:48

    The farmer toiled for his money..He did not harvest the money from the trees on the farm.Many years of hard work!! Criminals got it easy...Just another day in South Africa!!!!

  • Donne.3 - 2012-08-22 11:06

    So this is what the country is coming to? From someone that has had an armed robbery at home, I find this utterly disgusting! But see it that this family was lucky in the fact that they were not really harmed. My thoughts are with you as this is not an easy thing to overcome.

  • iceman196 - 2012-08-22 11:07

    The robbers asked for the R165 000 cash in the house that Karsten had made from selling sheep. thats already got inside job all over it, who gave the robbers that information

  • sedeshan - 2012-08-22 11:11

    Fortunately the family was not harmed by these guys, but who's to say that the next farmer will be so lucky? Oh and there will be a next time seeing as how the robber pointed out his "day job".

  • tumisang.kolobe - 2012-08-22 11:22

    Crime has been one of the success stories when coming to wealth redistribution because the government is falling, I like the style of this robbers and their courtesy in sharing in the economy of this country…..Just last week they shared my music system and my cell phone from my house. Wealth redistribution at its best when unemployment rate is at 27%.

  • Gavin - 2012-08-22 11:40

    the ANC does the same thing when it comes to our taxes - that hand you can feel in your pocket (the one with the wallet in it) - isn't yours....

  • darryl.scott.77770 - 2012-08-22 12:16

    Not if I shoot him first Karsten

  • natural.view.52 - 2012-08-22 12:37

    Well what do you know?? Next, they will leave you a receipt for the cash and a goods received voucher for your property delivered vis-a-vis! I don't care if the robbers are dressed in 2 piece suits and ties, and if they give you a short seminar on how they are going to rob you, IT HAS TO STOP! Especially on farms! It's just driving racial tensions higher than it already is.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-22 13:09

    Geez, that's how they make their money?. Robbing people. I always thought you made money by working for it.

  • carol.sibanda.5 - 2012-08-22 14:14

    I'm sorry you had to go through such a horrible ordeal.But you should thank God you and your family were not harmed it could have been worse.Its just sad how crime is so high in South Africa.Quick Question how did they know that you had money from selling sheep.It sounds like an inside job.The cops should surely investigate that.

  • carol.sibanda.5 - 2012-08-22 14:14

    I'm sorry you had to go through such a horrible ordeal.But you should thank God you and your family were not harmed it could have been worse.Its just sad how crime is so high in South Africa.Quick Question how did they know that you had money from selling sheep.It sounds like an inside job.The cops should surely investigate that.

  • lulama.mbelwa - 2012-08-22 17:55

    True with today's thugs once you stand up for yourself you risk losing your life. Let's be greatful they didn't kill them.

  • nthete.moalosi - 2012-08-22 22:55

    This smell's of an inside job,how did they know about the money,looks like someone told them about it.

  • nthete.moalosi - 2012-08-22 22:55

    This smell's of an inside job,how did they know about the money,looks like someone told them about it.

  • thakantshala - 2012-08-23 03:10

    nna motho aka.....

  • rob.tubbs.39 - 2012-08-28 18:35

    Robin Hood's......? Still not going to keep you out of Prison 'scum'... If you want money, go and work for it like the rest of us/most of us have to do...

  • jpstrauss - 2012-10-01 12:35

    The secret is to be cooperative. Never aggressive, but also never grovelling. It's how members of the UN civilians corps are trained.

  • joshio.fisher - 2012-10-01 13:38

    How many people survive farm attacks? I don’t have the answer but weekly we read about victims whose lives have ended in the most violent manner at the hands of these criminals. Should we forgive them? Not for me to decide. Should I appreciate that they come into my house uninvited and traumatize my family? Never!

  • Andre Cronje - 2013-05-24 11:29

    See I don't agree, I have been a target of a house robbery twice, each time I shot at them and they ran away like cowards. The public is unarmed and weak, that's the 1st problem, 2nd problem is all the others about the government and the police ect. My friend was house robbed he shot and killed on and one ran away, he is NOT is jail as it was a justifiable shoot, two years before that he shot one in his garage and two ran away, he is not in jail for that either.

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