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SA 'mercenaries' left to own devices

2011-10-26 10:11

Johannesburg - At least 19 South Africans who apparently supplied an armed escort to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi before he was caught in Libya last week, are being left to their own devices.

This was the response from Siphiwe Dlamini, spokesperson for the South African defence department, to an enquiry about the alleged involvement of the group in the incident.

The South Africans were reported to have scattered after Nato planes started firing at Gaddafi’s convoy outside his hometown Sirte last Thursday. Gaddafi was later shot dead.

Illegal

"Any South African who is involved in military matters in Libya would do so illegally and at own risk. They are their own responsibility," said Dlamini.

"According to the Prohibition of Mercenary Activity Act of 2006, South Africans are forbidden from entering any conflict area in any part of the world on either side. This is valid for Libya as well.”

Apart from fighting and any other military activities, South Africans are also prohibited from being involved in “the safety of any individual, personnel or property in any manner”, according to the act.

It was unclear how many South Africans were or are involved in Libya. Reports indicated it could be more than 50.

A group of 35 were apparently involved in an operation during which Gaddafi’s wife Safia, his daughter Aisha and two of his sons, Hannibal and Mohammed, fled into exile in Algeria on August 27 or 28.

Comments
  • Rodney - 2011-10-26 10:19

    just wondering, if they had succeeded, would Gaddaffi be enjoying ANC hospitality in a 5 star Cape Town hotel right now?

      Neill - 2011-10-26 10:23

      yip, i would bet so! It is just funny how the gov. "supported" Gaddafi, and not claiming to know a thing. And now it comes out that there where SA people protecting him... It looks like SA likes supporting the dictators of Africa...

      roboman1 - 2011-10-26 10:29

      There cannot be more than 50 in Libya, otherwise gadaffi would have won the war!

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2011-10-26 10:34

      Apparently so, according to news report this am on Highveld. I feel for these guys in a strange way as they are truly up a creek. Having said that, they are Merc's and no what the outcomes could potentially have been. Also Nato was wrong to send drones in to attack the convoy, they overstepped 1973 terms. They should have provided the NTC with the intel, and let them handle it, they were clearly in the area.

      Gibbaan - 2011-10-26 10:37

      I believe the government should intervene as they are South African citizens regardless of the fact that they are there illegally. Wonder if government considered the fact that they might be there because of the shortage of jobs in S.A.,which will drive most men to such extremes to provide for their family.

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 10:38

      @right: Yes, the biggest mistake these guys made was running the to the goverment because we all know the goverment excels at doing NOTHING..

      roboman1 - 2011-10-26 10:42

      Yes I feel sympathy for them, this is their profession. South Africans are the most "in demand" private security people in the world right now, and it is a strange system that criminalises private security. In fact if you research the subject, you will find the more criminal the government in a country, i.e. RSA, Libya, Zimbabwe etc. the less tolerant they are of other ideals and beliefs. By the way, SA Govt. is quite happy to use the services of these private SA security people themselves. (Fact). And anyway, what hypocrisy, only a few weeks ago all the ANC people loved Gadhafi

      Yusuf - 2011-10-26 10:43

      servaas.it takes a nothing to recognize other nothings

      Michael - 2011-10-26 10:46

      I have just read from reliable sources that these are disgrutled former SADF members who are in no way linked to ANC. Now @Rodney & Kie, reverse your assumptions and slurs.

      Hallo - 2011-10-26 10:52

      Michael - it was obvious from the beginning. But instead people keep attacking the gov. As I said - these guys should burn in hot oil.

      Hallo - 2011-10-26 10:55

      Karen - the reason for your thumbs down is people of the sad right wing variety realise that these are ex sadf soldiers wanting to make a quick buck. It's easier for them to blame the ANC. Lekker by Kaddafi. Truth hurts

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 11:06

      You forgot to add the evil white imperialists and the evil west.. You clowns are like a one track record, every day same story.. Bla bla bla cry me a river.

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 11:08

      @Yusuf: Be that as it may, funny how the ANC just never "recognizes" as you put it ,the criminals within the organization. Corrupt officials, tenderpreneurs etc..Also Funny how the ANC "recognizes" opportunity. for corruption

      Donder - 2011-10-26 11:13

      @ivan, nevermind intel, they were there when gadaffi was killed. they allowed him to be shot, a violation of the geneva convention.proof in the video below http://youtu.be/TM23k_LXWlc

      Leon - 2011-10-26 11:30

      Were is plan B

      Yusuf - 2011-10-26 11:39

      SERVAAS.what is this article about

      Right - 2011-10-26 11:49

      @Yusuf....come on now...BE FAIR!

      Yusuf - 2011-10-26 12:04

      servaas is an idiot.he does not know what fair is

      Right - 2011-10-26 12:10

      @Chad, Levett, serv-ASS, Spartan et Al.... Julle ma se'......

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 12:11

      @Right: Gaan boggom in 'n ander boom jou bobbejaan!

      Right - 2011-10-26 12:15

      @serv-ASS....jy is the BOBBEJAAN...hoekom is jy in Kenya. Om met jou familie...DIE BOOBEJANE....op Mt.Kilmanjaro te bywees.

      George - 2011-10-26 12:18

      Servaas you must be sexually frustrated. I mean calling other people Bobbejaan when you fully fit the title is strange. You look like like the type that constantly consume energy drinks, steroids etc in hope that ladies or men for that matter will find you attractive with fake muscles.

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 12:25

      @George & Right: Shame, I struck a nerve.. Well, read the comment right made prior to mine and maybe you will see. @Right: Nope, the $ are much better here, but I will be back in my country next month and then full steam into my business, supplying quality meat to your townships.. Vosloorus, Ratanda & Tsakane.

      Right - 2011-10-26 12:45

      @serv-ASS....and probably pissing on the meat before delivering it. Ek kan sien jy is 'n VARK. No sir!...that meat is not for me and I will pass the word around.

      Wouter - 2011-10-26 12:53

      Karen/Right, Get it in ur F....g head, the Gov send them there...Now they need to win face, therefore make a statement like that. It’s an Operation 6204 and Mr. Right ur so full of yourself so go find out that is an Ops 6204 or go and report me to N24.com

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 13:03

      @Right: You are such an idiot. Pass the word around because my BEE buddy has a lot more influence there than you will ever hope to have..

      Adrian - 2011-10-26 13:21

      Actually I heard that Gaddaffi had a fear of heights which would mean a hotel was out of the question, unless the room was on the ground floor. LOL

      Rodney - 2011-10-26 14:27

      @ Michael, I never made any assumptions or slurs against anyone, i merely posed a question. Stating the fact they are former SADF members is a waste of time, what else would they be? Perhaps you should read the post i made more clearly before making your own assumptions.

      Marion - 2011-10-26 14:50

      @karen... I agree with you. I abhor mercenaries. These men are 'soldiers of fortune', their only employer being their own greed. Now the wrong side won and they are in the brown stuff.

      Adam - 2011-10-26 16:44

      So, I guess 50 + mercenaries read an ad in the smalls and decided to take up employment with Gaddafi. Got a tourist visa, boarded a flight with their civies on and flew off to Lybia. On arrival, tolled up with arms and camo etc and found Gaddafi, collected their samsonite suitcase of cash and started fighting……..yes, all very believable, a “group” in SA had nothing to do with assisting them at all. Did they do a head count when Zuma’s plane left Lybia after he had his meeting with Gaddafi? Maybe they were 50 odd passengers short as they did not make it back from the beach in time for the flight? Maybe took up arms to try and “pay their way?”………fortunately, with time, sometimes a long time, one gets the real truth

  • Thulebona - 2011-10-26 10:24

    100 percent behind my government. Let those terrorists rot there. WHoever hired them, must get them out!

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 10:29

      And I hope when those mercenaries return they take a few of these coward government officials out.

      roboman1 - 2011-10-26 10:35

      and last week you were a Gadaffi fan? The King is dead, long live the King? Traitor

      stephen.cole1 - 2011-10-26 10:38

      It must have been Gaddafi himself that hired them as well as many from other African Countries , it was money they were after so they are now at the mercy of the new Government to get out ! I would say their chances are very low indeed !

      Oboa - 2011-10-26 10:47

      Fellow soldiers, you have my sympathy. Please come back to SA. We need you here.

      Right - 2011-10-26 10:49

      @Thulebona....serv-ASS has this "laager mentality" that hides behind others. If thats what he wishes then he should just try it...then note the efficiency, swiftness and focus of the Government in dealing with him and his ilk. He practices racism, supports armed insurrection and assination of the current Government on this forum but does not have the b@lls to stand up for what he believes in....a PROPER BAFOON HE IS.....with his "retarded ramblings".

      Levett - 2011-10-26 10:53

      @Thule: I smell fear LOL. You forgot to mention the AngloBoer war did'nt you? Wonder why?

      Yusuf - 2011-10-26 10:55

      chad.you tell us what happened in bop

      Oboa - 2011-10-26 10:56

      Let me just explain something to the idiots here. These men were most probably ex SADF who spent a great deal of their lives being a soldier. The training they receive is obviously only used and applicable to their military careers or security work like armed escorts, VIP protection, etc. I know from experience that the things you learn in the army is a great tool that you can use in everyday life and in any job. Most of the older SADF members were kicked out of the SANDF or were never promoted by the racist communist government. They are born soldiers and will allways be soldiers. It's just sad that the useless SANDF didn't want them. I pray for your safety......

      Levett - 2011-10-26 11:02

      @Right: Thanks for the totally incorrect and useless information

      Right - 2011-10-26 11:06

      @Levett...do your research. You will find that not only is it CORRECT but it is largely the cause of your lack of brainpower and your DEVIANT THINKING.

      Levett - 2011-10-26 11:18

      @Right: Rather do your own research and you will find no evidence of SA blacks showing courage in a conflict situation. Your 'slapgat' terror attacks under evil Mandela is proof of how pathetic you are. Do you think any Boer is scared if we are in the minority? Go read a pre-1994 school history handbook and educate yourself.

      Spartan - 2011-10-26 11:19

      You are a product of your home, and your corrupt government. It's your cronies that will be stoned to death soon. Zuma was mum when Gadaffi was slaughtering his own people. When the UN stepped in, Zuma was the first to cry about it. Now that it's real, he stated that it was unavoidable. He is a f**n coward, just like the rest of you.

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 11:20

      @Thule: "South Africa is ruled by a government voted by the people," Nope, let me rephrase that for you.. "South Africa is ruled by a goverment voted by uneducated masses" But please, run your banana republic. BTW, NP handed it to you on a silver platter. Full infrastructure, full functioning government which they still "Struggle(no pun intended) 17 years later. Your little threat of bophutatswana.. Masses against 4 guys.. Wow, so brave. BTW, I do not feel threatened by a clown in a leopard skin, knowing you only attack elderly and women oh and lets not forget people in their sleep. So noble, civilized and brave.. @Right: "a PROPER BAFOON HE IS." "Retarded ramblings" .... Wow, anything else you would like to add in your infinite wisdom? I am done entertaining your stupidity.

      Right - 2011-10-26 11:22

      @Chad...no amount of name calling is going to change that fact. Your brain cells have been affected by venereal disease. I challenge you to do your research. One of those secrets "die volk" tries hard to keep. You guys are DEVIANTS..

      Levett - 2011-10-26 11:23

      This case of Gaddafi is an excellent example of how the ANC could not get blacks to go help their terrorist friend and had to contract boere. LOL you a useless bunch

      Servaas - 2011-10-26 11:32

      @Levet: Spot on!

      Levett - 2011-10-26 11:37

      @Servaas: Met die klomp se groot bekke wonder ek hoekom Thule & Right nie hulle hanswors luiperd pakkies aangetrek en hul maaitjie Gaddafi gaan help het

      Thelma - 2011-10-26 11:56

      @ Thulebona - Don't be suprised when the truth surfaces that it was actaully President Jacob Zuma who recruited them to help his buddy Gadaffi escape!

      Yusuf - 2011-10-26 11:59

      servaas.we are also done with your stupidity chad.the awb ran with their and and their horses tails between their legs

      Levett - 2011-10-26 12:04

      @Thelma: That's why Zuma is off to Perth now. Most likely going to apply for political assylum if the truth comes out. Hope our president finds a comfortable drain pipe there.

      Myvision - 2011-10-26 12:39

      I bet the only thing that is drawing excitement on this article is the assumption that these ddogs of war are white and therefore the "ANC" is not assisting. Its reasonable to assume so because those caught in Zim on the way to Equitorial Guinea were white. I long for the day when people would debate issues on this forum not this everyday racist nonsense.

      Myvision - 2011-10-26 13:24

      @ Chad, the blacks caught in Zim were mainly from Angola and were recruirted under the pretences that they would be guarding mines, but still I wouldn't like to debate this along racial lines so is with you Levett. I'm not in a mood of trading insults today rather come with facts not cheap insulting phrases and if you're raising your voices because of something I wrote I HUMBLY APOLOGISE. My point is, if those people were doing mercenary work and against the laws of this country then I see no reason why the govt should assist them.

      Myvision - 2011-10-26 14:07

      @ Chad, Firstly lets differentiata between the ANC and govt. If it was the US you wouldnt sat the DP you'd say Pres Obama or the govt. Its amazing that whenever I mention black and white on this blog people are so quick to call that racism. It is racism when the colours clouds your judgement or line of debate. The Zim mercenaries are a debate for another day. I'm an ANC member and was sympathetic to Col. Gaddafi and I felt it was stupid of him to refuse the Russia and SA govt's offer to evacuate him wanting to fight till the end. The assumption that the govt sent a few mercenaries despite all the resources we have is far fetched and meant to discredit the govt and you know it. The financial offer that Gaddafi made to the security firms was too much to resist such was the case in Iraq and we can't claim that those SA mercenaries there were also sent by govt.

      Myvision - 2011-10-26 15:45

      @ Chad, lets leave out the colour of these mercenaries and focus on your conspiracy theory. This article is not clear how long these people were in Libya, it could have been 3 motns or since the beginning of the conflict. Col Gaddaffi supported this country's liberation and has done a lot for his country despite the fact that he had his own short comings and in the same spirit that he supported us when it was not fashianble to do so, I will forever be grateful. The govt of the Western Cape to me is democratically elected by its people and Ms Zille is the elected premier and I can't confuse the state and the party and as muchas the fact that I don't support the DA but I know the difference between the state and party. My ward was won by the DA where I stay and I certainly know the difference between my Councillor's Municipal duties and her political work and I attend ward meetings to positively contribute. I actually find it strange that you would paint the politics in colours and you have a "criminal" paint for whoever support the ANC and it is on those basis that you raise your theories not any facts.

  • molefi - 2011-10-26 10:28

    u bet

  • Guy - 2011-10-26 10:28

    OMW....they were recruited by the government,now they are getting shafted. Ja ANC, we can all see straight through this one, not all of us are victims of the bantu education system !

      Yusuf - 2011-10-26 10:37

      they were recruited by which government?

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-10-26 10:39

      @Guy...dude, you are the one who seems bantu educated, these mercenaries were recruited by private organisations, the ANC government had nothing to do with this. AYOBA!

      Thulebona - 2011-10-26 10:42

      'they were recruited by the government' of course you know this because you have piles and piles of evidence documents in front of you... imbecile...

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2011-10-26 11:08

      Yeah, they made the mistake of sending the guys out there to save Gaddafi's ass, so do the right thing and get them back.

      Myvision - 2011-10-26 13:28

      @ Guy, Is there any document or publication you can link me to that supports your theory?

  • Rvn - 2011-10-26 10:29

    Good!

  • George - 2011-10-26 10:35

    South Africa's new democratic ANC government is right and correct in not getting involved in other people's civil wars. SA has an evil past reputation whereby the apartheid government founded and funded genocidal killer groups in Southern Africa, i.e Renamo in Mozambique and Unita in Angola. These genocidal killer illegal renegades were complimented by mercenaries from SA with a sole purpose to frustrate the birth of a new democratic order in SA. Since the defeat of these genocidal killer groups, peace, human rights, freedom of speech, constitutional democracy rules supreme. SA must never associate itself with wantom killer vampires in any form again. Anyway since Apartheid was the biggest snake, its death heralded a new era of peace in the region and beyond. You crash the head of the snake, the body crumbles. A fish rots from the head.

      Spartan - 2011-10-26 11:34

      You are talking pure crap mate. They were fighting against what happened to South Africa since post ANC government. By the sounds of your drivel it seems you've been bitten by a snake.

      Paas - 2011-10-26 13:32

      George, not sure if you noticed that those same renegades eventually helped MPLA defeat UNITA in Angola and turn that country into another fine example of African democracy

  • Craig - 2011-10-26 10:35

    MMmmm.......I smell a rat, a large rat !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ingrid - 2011-10-26 10:37

    No need to wonder, lets focus on the present by being part of the solution not the problem.

  • Wayne - 2011-10-26 10:42

    This is south Africa. We live in a country with a bunch of communists running it. I am ashamed to be called a South African.

      Yusuf - 2011-10-26 10:44

      you got options.move

      See - 2011-10-26 11:04

      Even worse, they are useless incompetent wabenzi "communists". Par for the course for Africa.

  • Fanie - 2011-10-26 10:44

    There are so many jobless South africans. Perhaps Gaddafi's friend Mr Zuma or Julius Malema sent some jobseekers to get rid of them, being a bugbear in the economy of South Africa

  • adrian.piers - 2011-10-26 10:50

    And Mark Thatcher? A slap on the wrist! What a hypocritical government!

  • Jaap - 2011-10-26 10:51

    Quite right if you choose to do this you lose all right of protection from your government, regardless which one.

  • roboman1 - 2011-10-26 10:54

    @Michael, you poor gullible simple minded little boy, 1. and whose report did you now read and believe. and 2. The ANC love Gadhafi, and yes Rodney is right, history belongs to winners, if they had managed to get Gadhaffi out, he would probably now be in a luxury hotel on the waterfront in Cape Town at the expense of of us SA taxpayers. He would also not be the first dictator afforded courtesy and protection in sunny old SA

  • Spartan - 2011-10-26 10:58

    Doubt these are Recce's...must be SANDF palookas.

  • Herbert - 2011-10-26 11:19

    Mostly because they are white? Mmmm, zuma and co, sounds fishy. You OK the delivery of Truvelo arms to ghaddafi, even send instructors on Denel / Armscor equipment, but now you leave them to their own devices. How much oil were you promised? and when PetroSA gets the oil, will it be used AGAIN to fund the ANC?

  • Zifnab - 2011-10-26 11:23

    To those who would leave the mercs to rot in Libia. Ask yourself: What would Britain or America do? Meekly leave their citizens to their fate, or airdrop Chuck Norris from 10,000ft over Libia?

  • Gerhard - 2011-10-26 11:24

    I have no sympathy for anybody who kills people for money , call it professional risk. They should have pulled out earlier, it was obvious Gaddafi will lose. Another north african country under control of the rapist cabal, next is Syria last is Iran, maybe one day RSA.

  • Rudzani - 2011-10-26 11:25

    firstly ur aware that some people went to protect the colonel ,now that you wont be able to enjoy what will be victorious if he did won the war against the western ,but because of the otherwise result you utter the words of a backstabber who don't care about the life of the poor African who by any chance support each other,the government issue visas if i am correct and the border do the same ,for the whole time government said nothing ,now the colonel is no more they cross floor to the man in charge meaning they change colors like chameleon .is all about ones tummy nothing else.

  • Alexander - 2011-10-26 11:26

    A lot of people wishing that these guys burn and experience other forms of pain. You are sure that you are the one to exact a toll, you are sure you are the one to judge, judge not lest the be judged. I would like yo see you make that statement to one of those guys, them being men and you..?? I also do not agree with them helping Gaddafi, he was a bad, bad person, but you wishing them al thses hurts... that makes you a bad, bad person, did you notice what happens to bad, bad people?

  • Billy - 2011-10-26 12:28

    Maybe these guys are the offspring of the AWB "army" that went to liberate Bophutatswana in the early 90's in their beat up old Mercs and Cressidas, and got shot the hell up! They seem to be about as effective.

  • Johan - 2011-10-26 12:48

    Yeah, well. This is the danger of their chosen profession. You either get the big bucks or get killed. As for the other comments regarding the government, usually I'd say our government weren't involved with mercs, but since the ANC openly supported the martyr until the day he died... you have to wonder.

  • Bokfan - 2011-10-26 13:09

    So these SA mercenaries will gain the support of Malema and all the other Mugdaffi fans for trying to help the brotha leada

  • Paas - 2011-10-26 13:15

    These guys got paid out of exactly the same source that the ANC got millions from - Gadaffi's coffers.

  • Spartan - 2011-10-26 13:51

    @Right. Your'e an example of a wannabe wolf, or perhaps a sheep. You see, wolves prey on sheep. Sheepdogs keep the wolves at bay, but unforunately sheep generally dislikes Sheepdogs...until they are about to be eaten by wolves. Nah...you're no sheep nor a wolf...simply a Mule's C**t. Useless to both man and beast.

  • Cosmic - 2011-10-26 14:07

    So it is OK for S.A. to supply the weopons but NOT OK te get involved in the fighting?

  • Ahmed - 2011-10-26 14:30

    An Israeli intelligence source says US and British forces had surrounded the hideout of former Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi two weeks before he was captured and killed. On Monday, the Israeli intelligence news service DEBKA quoted US sources as saying that American drones kept the building in Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte under surveillance, while it was surrounded by US and British forces. The DEBKA underlined that both the US and the UK had boots on the ground in breach of the UN mandate which allowed the implementation of a no-fly zone over Libya. In addition, the intelligence news service's special report said some of the accounts of Gaddafi's last days suggest that he abandoned the precautions which kept him safe for years and was not afraid to use the satellite and cell phones which gave his position away. Gaddafi was captured and killed on Thursday by the revolutionaries after NATO warplanes targeted his convoy west of Sirte. The news comes as US, French and German officials compete to claim credit for locating Gaddafi's convoy. The Israeli report confirms that, working through NATO, US President Barack Obama, British Prime Minister David Cameron and French President Nicolas Sarkozy managed to finish off Gaddafi.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2011-10-26 16:10

    Who ever was hiring them will get them out. If it is the gov. or who ever. Do you think the gov. or an organization will admit to it. Nonsense. All I know is that those guys and there agents would have not trust Gadaffi's word, but some-one/gov. that they know they will get there monies from. An earlier report said that one "soldier"said that the NTC soldiers helped him/them to get away. Like I said before, I doubt we will get the correct information and a admittance of involvement of an organization or gov.

  • Cheryl - 2011-10-26 16:56

    Lets send them to 'look after ' Mugabe.....

  • Peter - 2011-10-26 19:09

    They should be left to their own devices. They are nothing more than paid killers and deserve whatever they get.

  • Mwilima - 2011-10-26 19:14

    Perhaps people must read what the constitution says about participating in external conflicts. If you go you do it out of own risk! I feel for their families though.

  • John - 2011-10-26 20:56

    So the ANC hires these guys, they are dummies to fall for it, but now they are left to their own devices?

  • Maila - 2011-10-27 07:33

    scary. silly. psychiatry must be a career to be in - i see many years of good business...

  • Sinjoku - 2011-10-27 09:45

    I know of ex SANDF that has ties to ANC, they do work for them here in SA, it is quite possible that this was setup by our Gov. Nothing extreme to find the link. However it would bee extremely stupid had anyone in the ANC arranged this, the rest of the NATO members would look at it in a bad light. Who cares anyway gadaffi is dead and laid to rest. These people went in there as Merc's this what they would call occupational hazzards in their work place.

  • Mc - 2011-10-27 10:37

    With this rampant unemployment dont think they had a right to earn a living???

  • EXILEPHONE - 2011-10-27 11:06

    not reported in europe

  • thabiso.mokomele - 2011-10-30 13:38

    we part of the brics,and therefore we do have a right to be involved in what is happening in Libya

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