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SA murders mostly due to drinking

2012-09-20 13:47

Cape Town - About 65% of the country's murders resulted from arguments fuelled by substance abuse, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa announced on Thursday.

Unveiling the 2011/12 crime statistics, Mthethwa said the country's murder rate had dropped by 3.1% since the previous reporting period.

"Murder is one of the most reliable trends of crime statistics," Mthethwa said.

In 2004/5 more than 18 000 people were murdered. Less than 16 000 murders were reported in 2011/12.

"This translates to a 27.6% reduction in murders over an eight year period," said Mthethwa.

He said research had shown that most murders were committed after an interpersonal argument, stimulated by heavy drinking and drug abuse.

Murder is one of seven categories grouped together as contact crimes.

The other categories are attempted murder, sexual offences, assault with the intent to do grievous bodily harm, common assault, aggravated robbery and common robbery.

"The crimes in question account for 29,9% of South Africa's serious crimes; such crimes involve physical contact [usually violent and coercive in nature] between perpetrators and their victims."

All provinces except the Free State, Limpopo and the Western Cape experienced a decrease in contact crimes.

"In the 2010/11 financial year, contact crime decreased by 6.9% and for the financial year under review, we recorded a decrease in 3.5%."

Comments
  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-20 13:53

    You mean South Africa is land of dronkgatte that loves murdering others once they become gesuip.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-20 14:14

      Most of the politics too...

      mo.matt.14 - 2012-09-20 14:27

      No, there is no problem here *sarcastic* Let's put higher taxes on smokers, remove them from every public place, take away their branding. That is WAY more dangerous! But leave people to drink as much as they want. Go to ANY local pub and see how many young and underage teens are drinking there. Parents even buy their highschool kids booze. So drink up. But God Forbid don't smoke!

      petrus.ngwenya.3 - 2012-09-20 16:01

      @ sean No, we are a country of people who refuses to take responsibility, and then use excuses. Murder is murder, rape is rape, theft is theft. Also, some people do get aggressive when they get drunk. Some don't. If you are one of those people who has been in more than 2 or 3 barfights, stop drinking.

  • mark1 - 2012-09-20 13:54

    Well.... Free the Weed and outlaw alcohol !!!

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-20 15:42

      Evidently you are not aware of what it has already done to your cognitive capacity. Just what one of the dumbest nations of earth (by formal stats, hint, hint) needs. Well, done Mark, very smart contribution...

      petrus.ngwenya.3 - 2012-09-20 15:57

      There is no proof that adult use of cannabis leads to a lower IQ. Of course, a sober person would look that up and not make such comments in the first place.

      sachasea - 2012-09-20 16:12

      Or legalize and regulate cannabis like alcohol and don't outlaw alcohol. I am willing to bet that alcohol consumption would naturally decrease anyway. The Prohibition of alcohol in the States in the 1920s and 1930s fueled lots of violence in much the same way that profits from dagga being illegal today fuel violence and boost crime. Prohibition does not work, never has and never will.

  • christopher.m.lowe - 2012-09-20 13:58

    So are we going to ban alcohol because half the country can't hold their drink?

      Tony Lapson - 2012-09-20 14:06

      Sounds good.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-20 14:14

      Sounds great!

      eric.shinn.90 - 2012-09-20 14:34

      DUH!! YESS, well done!!YOU SEE IT NOW

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-20 13:59

    Oops! Ilyk Castle lager,please dont oulaw it.

  • sanda.mnyazi - 2012-09-20 14:02

    Klipdrift and coke

  • Jeremy - 2012-09-20 14:05

    God, I could do with a drink right now! I wonder if the latest stats include the 35 miners murdered by police at Marikana? Maybe those cops were all motherless too......

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-20 14:16

      Started early heh Jeremy...?

  • shane.jacoby.3 - 2012-09-20 14:06

    So we are really not a modern democracy then? The statistics suggest a prevalence of people being stoned to death?

  • vambozha.mutemi.9 - 2012-09-20 14:06

    Please dont drink and kill

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-20 14:20

      Better yet dont drink.

  • Billy - 2012-09-20 14:07

    how many crimes related to cannabis, just btw? excluding smoking or caught in possession.

      eric.shinn.90 - 2012-09-20 14:31

      shut up seanie

      Billy - 2012-09-20 14:50

      hmm no, synthetic drugs seem to have the need to be used with extreme caution and/or under supervision(to be 101% sure). not too sure about that one.

      classwar.trotsky - 2012-09-20 16:45

      Absolutely none. No crime caused by weed. Only good things come from weed.

      Beckie Knight - 2012-09-21 02:16

      Billy, like alcohol, cannabis is a MIND-ALTERING substance - a street DRUG!

  • classwar.trotsky - 2012-09-20 14:07

    Perfect. Just what the elites want, a proletariat that is hooked on alcohol, meaningless sports, Generations, church and Blackberries. Keep the lower orders drunk and obsessed with meaningless asinine 5h1t and it is easy to contol them.

  • nicolas.gombert.16 - 2012-09-20 14:08

    And SA corruption mostly due to Johnny Walker Blue?

  • olebogeng.diratsagae - 2012-09-20 14:09

    esp Ottosdal hleban

  • bouncing.betty.33 - 2012-09-20 14:11

    Thats a shocking statistic, im all for prohibition if it brings the murder rate down by 65%

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-20 14:31

      Unfortunately prohibition will prob increase that persentage 165%. It doesn't work.

      sachasea - 2012-09-20 16:16

      It will increase the murder rate. History from the United States has already proved that Prohibition is doomed to fail from the get go. Remember a guy called Al Capone? Well there will be countless more like him created in the event we prohibit alcohol. Tighter regulations fine, but outright prohibition - a resounding NO from me.

  • luke.dekoker - 2012-09-20 14:14

    This minister is running out of excuses.. Verwoerd, Apartheid, Whites, etc.

  • bobo.jane.1 - 2012-09-20 14:26

    They can break it down...65% because of substance abuse and 35% because of hate against a minority group on farms and other residential areas.

  • siyanda.yeni.5 - 2012-09-20 14:26

    It is very true! More often than not in court when I have a matter than involves violence,when I'm leading my client;they all start by saying, \we were at a tarven and.....\. It is so unfortunate because youngstars are always involved!

  • Tobie Vd Vyver - 2012-09-20 14:33

    OK then, so the farm murders is Black Labels fault? Why don't they admit the other 35% is racial related? Anyone with half a brain can see through their agenda...sick of this cover ups and the government looking the other way!

      bobo.jane.1 - 2012-09-20 18:40

      Yes Mr Vd Vyver - Just like my comment they will thumbs down yours aswell..Fact is The truth hurts ...Sometimes people don`t want to hear the truth because they don`t want their illusions destroyed.

  • ally.oh.7 - 2012-09-20 14:35

    Dumb headline of the day. People cause murders, not alcohol. And when will the grammar and quality of language improve on this site? C'mon News24, get it right.

      robert.cerff - 2012-09-21 07:38

      People murder other people... Guns don't kill people, again, people kill people. This is simply an excuse, in much the same way as saying spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-20 14:36

    Booze. The real gateway drug.

  • shaun.brooks.79 - 2012-09-20 14:37

    wHY POPULATION GROUPS...WHY STIL USE COLOUR...WHY NOT USE WHO EARNS MORE OR WHOSE CAR IS BLUE....GROW THE HELL UP

  • shaun.brooks.79 - 2012-09-20 14:38

    WHEN DO YOU STOP WITH RACIST CRAP

  • peetvanwyk - 2012-09-20 14:39

    mmm... I think the lower education standard is starting to show, because i have a suspicion that the same person who determined that a drop from 18 000 to 16 000 is 27.6% (actually 12.5%), counted the amount of murders. Something is very fishy

  • joseph.ade.5 - 2012-09-20 14:39

    And what brand of alcohol is mostly responsible??????

  • msard - 2012-09-20 14:43

    16000 MURDERS !!!!! Just 1 Freakin Murder is totally UNACCEPTABLE !!!

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-20 14:43

    By moronic barbarians that can handle their booze.

  • scheepers - 2012-09-20 14:48

    wow, in the whole of the united states there was 14956 murders and they have 311 000 000 people, we had 16000 murders for only 60 000 000 people.

  • press.enter.12 - 2012-09-20 14:48

    Its b'cause of the ridiculous blood alcohol level law being enforced and being contemplated - drunkards are now forced to drink at home instead of going to a pub where thay can at least slug it out with their peers . . . .

  • nico.leroux1 - 2012-09-20 14:50

    So Mthetwa! That is 43 per day. Every day. Good to know you feel things are going so much better!

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-20 14:53

    But weed is illegal!! gaah

  • jacques.otto.50 - 2012-09-20 14:53

    This is what i dont get 15609 murders is the total murder. Then we have at the bottom of the total country states 11788 Culpable Homicides. So infact we have 27395 murders correct. The highest in the world correct.Why is homicide split from murders

  • nico.leroux1 - 2012-09-20 14:56

    We all feel sorry for Biko Mpofu. But we have to stop murdering people.

  • richard.russmann - 2012-09-20 15:13

    Pull the other leg. 65% due to substance abuse? So all the hijack/ robbery/ petty crime/ vigilanty/ kangaroo court murders were done by drunk people? This is nothing more than a deflection of the truth, VIOLENT crime is STILL RAMPANT, murder included, and mostly does not make the news unless a celebrity is involved. And this crime affects ALL COLOURS of South Africans. Not even reported, unless insurance requires a death certificate. And last part is the victim is still blamed for not taking enough precautions.... This is the truth.

  • andre.vanrensburg.790 - 2012-09-20 15:17

    For a change a government report that I can believe. I work along side emergency services and on the weekends when there is an increase in alcohol consumption there is a definite spike in stabbing and other kinds of assaults. This has been known for many years and is not news to anybody except and inept government disconnected from its people. This kind of behaviour is unfortunately most prevalent in informal settlements and townships where alcohol is illegally sold to minors and from taverns that seem to operate 24/7 Yes there are many socio-economic problems related to poverty Et cetera , but this manly points to poor policing and by-laws not being enforced by municipality's. Cry the beloved country...

  • crystal.core.5 - 2012-09-20 15:22

    "most murders were committed after an interpersonal argument, stimulated by heavy drinking and drug abuse" How would they actually know this with such low conviction rates for murder in SA? Perhaps only the murderers that were too drunk to flee the scene get caught? There are many instances of underreporting + police even being told to do just that from the highest levels "write up an armed robbery as burglary and burglary as trespassing..." Even the press now refer to "murderers" as "robbers". Then there are farm and smallholding murders where the families have been trying for months to understand why their murdered dad's death certificate states "natural causes" further clarified as "heart failure" when he was shot in the chest? Hospitals and morgues have been ordered not to report murder statistics to anyone other than the gov so there is no way of anyone reconciling these bogus numbers to reality. Detailed, Accurate crime stats are important, they set the score, but it's conviction rates that measure effectiveness of the police and criminal justice system. Conviction rates for murder in SA are disastrously low. Why are they not published alongside these bogus crime stats? The reason murder is so prevalent is because most people in South Africa think it is perfectly legal to murder white people, there is no recourse. We are still the murder capital of the world. A 3% decrease in bogus stats isn't good enough. I don't feel any safer.

  • lesego.motsusi - 2012-09-20 15:35

    Lets ban Johnny Walker Platinum

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-20 15:47

    Dealcholize all booze and this problem will go away. You get alcohol free beer and wine and it tastes ok. Otherwise make alcohol so expensive people will stop drinking it. At R100 a beer I think many will stop drinking.

  • franco.beukman - 2012-09-20 16:15

    Looks like nathi was gesuip wen he thought of this babalas excuse !!!!

  • Gerrit13 - 2012-09-20 16:19

    Can someone explain to me how going from 18000 to 16000 translates to a 27% reduction?

  • johan.vanderberg.583 - 2012-09-20 17:13

    In 2004/5 more than 18 000 people were murdered. Less than 16 000 murders were reported in 2011/12. "This translates to a 27.6% reduction in murders over an eight year period," said Mthethwa. How does a drop from 18000 to 16000 mean a 27% drop? Someones got their maths wrong.

  • Beckie Knight - 2012-09-21 02:13

    Oh dear! I think our Minister made a "grave" error!! Surely all these murders (well 65% of them) were caused from smoking cigarettes? Surely?!?

  • whmarais - 2012-09-21 10:06

    This the biggest load of bull I ever heard. Thats like the similar statement the government made about road accidents "20% of accidents caused by drunks" so would the 80% sober drivers please get of the road so that we can avoid the majority of all the fatalities. Analise the stats a bit closer.

  • Timothy - 2013-09-02 15:09

    It would be interesting to know where...shebeens perhaps where they scream poverty?

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