SA siding with oppressors: Tutu

2011-10-05 14:25

Johannesburg - South Africa was siding with oppressors in the way it handled a visa application by the Dalai Lama, Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said on Wednesday.

"I'm a very sad old man who had thought that you guys approximated the kind of values that we support and what has happened is unconscionable," Tutu said in an interview on Talk Radio 702.

He said the international community had always believed that South Africa would side with the oppressed, considering what the country had gone through when apartheid was dismantled.

"And here we are siding with one of the most vicious oppressors and we are scared to say no," Tutu said.

"All the people involved in the struggle must be turning in their graves."

  • Smart Man - 2011-10-05 14:30

    Okey can we move on now, what's done is done. and whya is the President not breathing about this? i guess he is still CONSIDERING IT for the next 2 weeks F....k

      Mike or Mpho - 2011-10-05 14:38


      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 14:38

      Too busy cheating on his many wives to notice there's something going on... what's new?

      saabnut - 2011-10-05 14:39

      Give the arch a Bells- someone with the balls to tell ZUMA his gfortune publicly. Tutu for president!

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 14:40

      No we cannot just move on as if all is well, Smart Man. (SMART???). It is pretty vital that someone of the stature of Tutu speak out as loudly and as often as possible about the sort of regime ours is becoming.

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-10-05 14:42

      Glad one of the 'old guard' can stand up to this racist ANC regime and say it like it is. Malema is just more of the same with his militant racism. Serves us right for making friends with communism during apartheid. Now they rule us. And we were worried about white colonialisation. Ha, look at what the East is doing to Africa. Shame on your ANC !!!

      cat8fish - 2011-10-05 14:42

      Yes i love how our 'fabulous' Mr President is mum abt the whole situation

      REALIST - 2011-10-05 14:47

      so then mr tutu, be a little more vocal about all the shortcomings of the ruling anc, you helped bring them into power, now help get rid of them!

      Cliff - 2011-10-05 14:48

      He is not running the country he never has! He is a puppet and can't even stand up to a debate with the opposition. All he can do is read written speeches so don't hold your breath! His spokesman will mumble some crap on TV and embarrass us even further!

      saabnut - 2011-10-05 14:53

      Then again, he would fail dismally as a president, because he doesn't have a criminal record...

      parkavenue - 2011-10-05 15:09

      applying his mind as they so eloquently describe it

      tootingdel - 2011-10-05 15:25

      No we should not move on. This is so important that the Government needs to be constantly reminded that the people of SA find the government's behaviour totally unacceptable. Tutu is right in saying that SA needs to align itself with those oppressed in the world. After what the world did for SA - SA has an obligation to do so. Zuma and his team should be speaking up for these fighting for freedom in Tibet, Burma, Zimbabwe, equatorial Guinea, Libya, Syria and the list goes on and on - but it does zilch. The more noise made about this from us all the better. Zuma should apologise for getting it wrong and promise it won't happen again - then maybe we can move on.

      Normaldude - 2011-10-05 15:26

      Mt Juma is applyimng this Mind to the Cele Lease Scandal : He can't do two things at once cause he is a retard

      Met - 2011-10-05 15:27

      What is new, confirming what most have known for a long time. The mentors of the ANC regime, the Soviet and Chinese Communists, have trained them in the art of oppression and we now see the fruit more clearly. Some observers were just somewhat ideologically blinded

      marco - 2011-10-05 20:02

      You know people from the ANC says that South Africa will never have a Zimbabwe type situation in South Africa like what Mugabe has brought to his country,but looking at this visa thing with the Dalai Lama and Tutu's subsequent reaction to it all leaves me to believe that the ANC will eventually do much worse to South Africa once they finnished with it than Mugabe and other tyrants on the contient has ever done-much,much worse you wait and see.South Africa is already like other African countries in that there is only one ruling form of government for 17 years now-the ANC-in other African countries like Zim it's 30 years for Mugabe for example.Other African countries has had its evil dictators like Idi Amin Dada,Robert Mugabe,Mobutu of Congo,Gaddafi,Jean Bedel Bokassa from CAR,General Sani Abacha of Nigeria to name but a few.The ANC pretends not to be like his at all and it hides very well behind the Apartheid struggle story,Nelson Mandela's image in the world etc,but behind that cloak of respectability lies very evil intent all the way through.Greed,lust for power and control over people and what money can do for them is the ANC's main reason for living and sole objective for being in power and the sooner it will be completely expose by onlookers-nt South Africans so much but by foreign governments or the media or somebody else of importance the better it be for the rest of us.

  • biskit - 2011-10-05 14:30

    I wonder how many times have they turned in their graves already

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 14:36

      So much that they could drill their way through the earth and end up in China

      York Hunt - 2011-10-05 14:38

      @Biskit. Very true!

      nic - 2011-10-05 14:53

      every day.... every day!!! Malema, the Winnie scandal, the dodgy leases, the info bill, Cele.... need I go on? and now this...

      kriskros - 2011-10-05 14:57

      @george Yes and changing the street names will solve all our problems and the poor will have food to eat... Get a life dickhead!!!!!

      cliffarc - 2011-10-05 14:59

      - George - and unfortunately you still adorn this blog site.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 15:18

      @ George - er, Paul Kruger died in Switzerland (they named Clarens FS after the Swiss town where he died)... apparently he knew you'd be born one day and didn't want to be too close to you. Besides, Oom Paul had more statesmanship and integrity in his one fingernail than the entire ANC could ever have

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 15:40

      when you dead your dead...turning is

      Boerseun - 2011-10-05 18:54

      They do not turn, this is what they fought for.

  • Realist72 - 2011-10-05 14:36

    Now that's the ANC's true colours, I say! So Mr. Tutu, can you now see what those 'oppressive whites' where talking about all this time ? cANCer !

      EishPasteSarmi - 2011-10-05 14:51


  • Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-10-05 14:37

    Turning so fast they are being used as fans in the Afterlife Bar.

      amabok - 2011-10-05 14:43


  • reyreason - 2011-10-05 14:38

    He is moerse angry for a arch bishop! He needs to be in a lotus position... Despite that, we should be praying that all the bigger issues facing SA will get better... Fingers crossed! Hold on why wasn't there an outcry for the no.1 song "kill the boer" ? Imagine "ill the Dhali Lama", now that will be an outrage!?

      Grayman - 2011-10-05 14:45

      arch bishop, lotus position and fingers crossed are not part of the same religion.

  • Adrian - 2011-10-05 14:41

    This is the start of the slippery slide of the ANC into oblivion. Not today, or even tomorrow but in the foreseeable future. The party should not be allowed to use the name of a once proud liberator of integrity - they no longer represent the values and objectives of the original ANC. They've become a cabal of self serving, greedy and corrupt individuals with no courage or integrity.

  • mirza77 - 2011-10-05 14:44

    nice try but not quite!! i spoke with them yesterday and there is a lot of new stuff coming!! stand by! "okey, whats done is done"...LOLOLOLOL Kira

  • mirza77 - 2011-10-05 14:48

    staged.. the formalities are coming theo, randy, frankie pauli, fred, garret, gfy! hahahhahahhaha

  • PecanNut - 2011-10-05 14:49

    I don't think this is what Nelson had in mind had all ! The ANC has truly lost its way. So sad that history is forgoten so soon and looks to repeat itself with draconian laws :( But lets not forget the people have uprisen before and will surely do it again. VIVA.

      grimbie1 - 2011-10-05 15:25

      Dont know really.. Nelson sings 'shoot the boer' I think this was his plan from the start. the past 15 years have just been the window period allowing for things to settle slightly and now the real plan starts. Time to get out of SA..

  • mirza77 - 2011-10-05 14:50

    shucks, she's here NANCY S! WE have to use the other websites now!! No fears, after I put notes I rarely comeback, but keep in mind I have all the others too... right mr ruddy juice man? candy c....hows suuuuze??

      JINJ - 2011-10-05 15:09

      ...what the hell are you on about????

      THE-SRG - 2011-10-05 16:23

      jinj....i think the nut house has lost one of their inmates,we should alert them lol

      Mantsho - 2011-10-05 19:40

      What on earth the hell was that?

      John.L - 2011-10-07 08:40

      @mizra - you make about as much sense as JuJu and Jacob! Or maybe you're an All Black supporter??

  • Newsferret - 2011-10-05 14:50

    Thanks Arch you said it in a different way - apartheid is still healthy and well albeit in a different disguise, it is gender based alpha-numerical which in the old days was called job reservation. Nice hey!

  • Fredster69 - 2011-10-05 14:57

    Ag get over it now, serious

  • Deon - 2011-10-05 14:58

    "I'm a very sad old man..." The most sense he has made in a long time!

      matla - 2011-10-05 15:07

      Tutu, you must accept that you cannot always get your desired present for your bday. Spend your bday with street kids like our Madiba, and whilst at it get the hell out of the kitchen if you cannot stand the heat, old senile bishop

  • marlon williams - 2011-10-05 15:01

    No Smart man, He's STAAAADIyENG

  • Ditsele - 2011-10-05 15:05

    The opressed have become the opressors. All of a sudden we dont have a heart as coutry because of our selfish leader.

  • Antwahn - 2011-10-05 15:05

    Here the Arch puts liar ANC spin-doctors completely check mate! They can say nothing against this. The moment they state: "No we don't like the Chinese oppressors" Mothlante, JZ don't get their pocket money from the Chinese. Even feigned neutrality will be seen as a betrayal of the Chinese Image. (Make no mistake, they are ruthless oppressors and tyrants, but they don't like to be seen as such.

  • Loulla G - 2011-10-05 15:07

    Well said Tutu!!!!

  • bvniekerk - 2011-10-05 15:08

    The prez will damage control and send his pvt jet to fetch DL and family HaHa

      chris van rensburg - 2011-10-05 15:15

      Very good option to consider.

  • Trevor - 2011-10-05 15:13

    Our troubles has'nt even started yet, we will soon have a Chinese as a president. Give them hell, Arch. tell them where they can get off

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 15:20

      Chinese president - no doubt coming from Cyrildene

      bvniekerk - 2011-10-05 15:26

      At least the Chinese build stuff. . . .looks like the peepol in sa can only break stuff. . .

  • call a spade - 2011-10-05 15:13

    MOER hulle Biskop. BLIKSEM hulle.

  • Lionel - 2011-10-05 15:16

    Archbishop Tutu it is not siding with oppressors, but sleeping with the oppressors. Sounds very much like the South African polygamist president.

  • Collitjies - 2011-10-05 15:18

    If they let that elderly gentleman of the cloth in their gravy train funds would dry up. How else are the likes of Zooma, Juju and others going to line their pockets without China at the helm??

  • JustinX - 2011-10-05 15:22

    Come Tutu, did you really believe communists were always pro-democracy? Democracy is the enemy to any communist state. Welcome to another failed communist state

  • Not Black - 2011-10-05 15:25

    WHO IS ALLOWED INTO SA? ? African Poverty Architects ? American 2 Faced Politicians ? Angolan Corrupt Oil Barons ? Bangladeshi Credit Card Scammers ? Brazilian Narcotics Mules ? Chinese Human Rights Violators ? Chinese Sweat Shop Owners ? Congolese Rapists ? Croatian Criminals ? DRC Car Thieves ? Egyptian Corrupt Rulers ? European Arms Dealers ? Greek Assassins ? Guinean Dictators ? Haitian Ex Dictators ? Indian Industrialist / Govt Manipulators ? Israeli Mafia ? Italian Mafia ? Ivorian Warmongers ? Japanese Whales & Blue Fin Tuna Killers ? Lesotho Stock Thieves ? Liberian Diamond Connected Ramp Models ? Libyan Murdering Despots ? Moroccan Bouncers ? Mozambiquan Fraudsters ? Namibian Seal Cullers ? Nigerian Drugs & Scams Lords ? Pakistani Revenue Fraudsters ? Russian Human Traffickers ? Rwandan 'Generals' ? Saudi Addict Gamblers & Speculators ? Scandinavian Dolphin Cullers ? Serbian Assassins ? Somali Pirates ? Swazi Sex Maniac Kings ? Swiss Corrupt Bankers ? Thai Prostitutes ? Turkish Gambling Machine Pedlars ? UK Honeymoon Murderers ? Ukrainian Nightclub Owners ? Venezuelan Dictators ? Vietnamese Rhino Hunters ? Zambian Ex Despots ? Zimbabwean Dictators ? Zimbabwean Illegal Immigrants ? Zimbabwean Land Grabbers Now who does NOT GET INTO SOUTH AFRICA? Nobel Peace Prize Winners... Says it all about the State of this Country, I REST MY CASE.

      Way-eye-i - 2011-10-05 15:51

      that's life.. n if u don't like it just build a bridge n get over it!! jou pale!!!

  • Rodolfo - 2011-10-05 15:25

    But why is Tutu so obsessed with this Dalai Lama man? He knew he was not going to be allowed into the country but goes ahead to make the invitation. If Tutu really wants Dalai Lama at his birthday party, why not go and have his party in Tibet? I think Tutu is just looking for a limelight. Do we really understand what Dalai Lama stands for?

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-10-05 15:27

    "South Africa was siding with oppressors" .... Oh really. SA under the corrupt, morally bankrupt, incompetent ANC are the top pole cat(skunk) nation of the world. Well done ANC you very good at shooting yourselves in the foot.

  • Sharpwip - 2011-10-05 15:35

    Desmond Tutu is acting like a spoiled child. One: People obviously do not understand the seriousness of a curse. Wow, I was shocked how the “Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu” wished a curse over the ANC. Two: As a man of the cloth one would think he can think of better ways to celebrate his birthday; rather in service to others. Desmond Tutu talks about the oppressed in Tibet, what about the poor and oppressed in our own country? Why not rather assist children without homes with the money he was going to spend on a party? Is he a pop star or a retired Archbishop? Three: The poor Tibetans. What about Somalia, Nigeria, The Congo, etc. etc. There are millions of people oppressed and hungry around the world. We can only help those in need if we have the ability to do so. We do not. We can’t even take care of the people in our own country. I have never seen a grown man act the way he did. Pick your battles. This one was not worth the tantrum (vloermoer). I laugh at the obvious white’s comments ... Desmond Tutu actually said that the ANC was just as bad or worse as the white oppressors, that was not a compliment.

  • Alan - 2011-10-05 15:40

    I agree with King Tut(u). The ANC has hit new lows, and is still freefalling. Wont be long before we have the biggest corruptest splat in the history of SA when they hit the ground. Their supporters are bailing already.

  • Oukaapje - 2011-10-05 16:04

    Never mind Desmond, look at the positive side. The ANC will soon hand South Africa over to China, as we know China wants to rule all the countries that it can, even a corrupt little country like our will be accepted. When it does, China will place us under their Judicial system. Crime and corruption will be abolished and the death sentance will be meted out with no delays. The biblical "wages of sin is death" prediction will come true. Halleluya, viva China, viva! Amen!

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 16:21

      "wages of sin is death" refers to the punishment of sin being hell... all the same, death penalty is just fine - Bible says it's fine if there are two or three witnesses to make sure the judgment is correct.

  • Themba - 2011-10-05 16:04

    Ok, there is the solution, rer-instate the application and the visa will be issued.

  • Truza - 2011-10-05 16:08

    South african are suffering in other countries with the issue of visa then why SA has to be easy?....Ayoba mzansi ayoba.

  • Pacman - 2011-10-05 16:08

    Dear Arch. I feel your pain. It is a terrible thing indeed to suffer such disappointment in our 'liberators'. The current incarnation of the ANC sees democracy and human rights simply as convenient tools with which to bludgeon white South Africans, distracting the masses with the race card, while steamrolling their road to complete political and economic power. Zuma was quite happy to take Qadaffi's money to finance his presidential campaign. Chinese 'investment' and arms sales to many African countries with less than stellar human rights records, has seen an extremely cosy relationship developing between our regime and the People's Republic and then there's Cuba...By their deeds they shall be known.

  • Denise - 2011-10-05 16:24

    If this debacle was not so sad, we might have a laugh as our Government tries to wriggle out of this latest blunder. The Chinese stole Tibet and the world just turned their faces away, they made a criminal of the Dalai Lama in his own homeland. If we were such a sovereign state, then why could we not entertain who ever we wanted to? It is obvious that the ANC has a lot to loose if China is offended. Our democratic rights are being quickly eroded and there are not too many who are standing up for it. The Pres. has had the last say in appointing the judiciary, he has his say on who visits us and he will shortly have his say on what we read in the press. Our Pres. is a charismatic cunning person who plays on our under educated public sentiments. He is very crafty. It is quite apparent that he is in it for himself. His government is just the same. They do not put South Africa or her people first.They are selling our country off bid by bid. They are in the pocket of who ever offers the highest. In this case the Chinese. From perlemoen and rhino poaching, to jobs and economic bloodshed, the Chinese go unchecked through our country, like crows picking over a cadaver! Mr.Zuma and his cronies just look fondly on while we are sucked dry. Hopefully, more will see our government for what they are. A ship of greedy shortsighted fools!

      Brent Kotze - 2011-10-05 16:31

      The government has done the right thing - even the Americans do not want to mess up with the Chinese - these guys are the bankers of the whole world.

  • lordwabbitspam - 2011-10-05 16:29

    We should get Eskom to hook them up to a turbine, unlimited free energy while the ANC stumble around messing things up. Well, until someone loses a bolt in the turbine of course.

  • Terrible T - 2011-10-05 16:30

    Hey all! I have an idea to punt - Tutu and the Dalai Lama should both go across to New Zealand, where I doubt he will be denied a visa, and support our Bokke! It would be a slap in the face of our government!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-10-05 16:41

    Welcome to our world Tutu! The ANC are corrupt,incompetent,lazy thieves. Glad you saw the light!

      Themba - 2011-10-05 16:44

      they follow the process, it has no special treatment to individuals, why cant he think like madiba, he is retired, he needs to pray for corruption if any.

  • ian.d.samson - 2011-10-05 16:43

    WRONG! "South Africa" is NOT siding with oppressors. It's the EFFIN' ANC in South Africa that is. Get your facts right!

      Marc - 2011-10-05 16:45

      Actually, quite right Ian. Most times, people fail to see the difference. Not least, ANC diehards.

  • rory - 2011-10-05 17:14

    I could not agree with Desmond Tutu more. Sadly the present generation of ANC leadership is nowhere near the calibre of those who led it during the freedom struggle. I do not think that this situation is unusual however. When the struggle against oppression has triumphed and the people who led it, people whose strength of character was forged and refined in the fires of that struggle, inevitably begin to die off they are replaced by people who have not the same strength of character, their characters having not been forged in the fires of the struggle. That does not mean that we should just accept the behaviour of these dumbed down characters, Tutu is certainly not doing so, the people need to stand up and challenge the behaviour of this new generation of leaders and reject them and their behaviours at the polls if necessary.

  • Boerseun - 2011-10-05 18:54

    Another nail in their coffin...

  • capethinker - 2011-10-07 08:38

    Well I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords.

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