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SA today better than past - Madonsela

2012-04-18 08:10

Bloemfontein - Students and academics must help to get the country’s constitutional dream back on track, Public Protector Thuli Madonsela said on Tuesday.

"We are not there yet," Madonsela told students, academics and visitors at a public lecture on universities, academic freedom and the information bill at the University of the Free State.

Madonsela said despite many challenges, "today" was better than "yesterday" in South Africa.

Corruption

Focusing on investigations by her office, Madonsela said a better life for all was coming slowly for ordinary people, but that corruption was stealing many people's futures.

It also had a huge impact on the quality of basic services.

Madonsela said academics could help by developing the law to better fight aspects of corruption.

She said the public protector's office also needed experts in various fields while investigating complaints. "Private experts are expensive."

Madonsela said "young academics" should also help start the debate in civil society on issues such as the protection of state information bill.

She said students should debate the change in constitutional language used in regard to the public protector's powers and open the debate on judicial enforcement.

"Students tweet about everything, also very technical things."

Madonsela urged them to help instil proper values in society and to help people understand how the government works.

It would help in the fight against corruption if ordinary people knew how the government worked, she said.

Comments
  • Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-04-18 08:15

    Can we get more people like her in the government please

      Jason - 2012-04-18 09:34

      E-tolls making South African roads better today then yesterday. I do agree more people like Madonsela need to be higher up in government.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-04-18 12:32

      I agree, because, unlike the rest of the ANC, she actually has intelligence, and uses it to the best of her ability.

      Zing - 2012-04-18 12:58

      Madonsela for President!

      Benn - 2012-04-18 17:59

      Shame, how deceived can people be? A sign of desperation perhaps?

  • Herman - 2012-04-18 08:17

    Corruption is for sure stealing a lot of people's futures, but how to stop it with a criminal regime with a backup of illiterate voters seems a bridge too far.

      Tshifhiwa - 2012-04-18 08:56

      @Herman how do you define illiterate?

      Ronnie - 2012-04-18 09:00

      Herman I share the same sentiment man corruption is bleeding us dry. My biggest concern is education, the government is deliberately denying our citizens the opporttunity to learn and apply our minds can you jus explain to me what maths literacy is???

      Herman - 2012-04-18 09:02

      @ Steen, this is my perception: having or showing little or no knowledge of a particular subject, hope this helps you.

      Herman - 2012-04-18 09:27

      @ Ronnie, sorry that subject wasn't presented to us when I went to school, only Maths HG and SG.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-04-18 09:46

      @Ronnie, it is when you can like to add one and one more, to make twice!!!

  • bluzulu - 2012-04-18 08:18

    Our next President, So Gracious and always so Right. Wonder if she needs a partner?

      Herman - 2012-04-18 08:52

      Not you I hope.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-18 09:59

      I am a Zulu and can have more than One Partner, Thanks.

      esethu3 - 2012-04-18 10:33

      lol.... hahahah

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-04-18 12:33

      I doubt she would want to be with a guy that shares her, along with other women.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-18 12:37

      Don't doubt.

  • catgirl1971 - 2012-04-18 08:18

    This headline is extremely misleading; News24 should really learn how to caption their stories!

  • Gregory - 2012-04-18 08:21

    Madonsela for president. She has a clear vision and shares the sentiments of most south Africans .

  • Roland - 2012-04-18 08:23

    Mondensela for president

  • Warmonger - 2012-04-18 08:23

    "Yesterday" my house was burgled. Today is better because now I can sit outside (on the grass as 'yesterday' my garden set was stolen as well), and listen to the sound of the city as I do not have a TV anymore. 'Yesterday' my frindge was also emptied, thus I can loose weight as there is nothing left to eat there.. "Yesterday" my car was smashed-&-grabbed, thus I do not have to wind down the window to experience the cool morning breese on my way to the police station to report my plight... All a matter of PERSPECTIVE madonsela, perspective....... *sigh*

      Malavi - 2012-04-18 09:39

      what song is this?

      Lorain - 2012-04-18 11:53

      @ Warmonger you are quite correct all a matter oof perspective. Yesterday only certain people were protected by government from the evils that affect the majority of the citizens and today we are all in the same boat,the same evil that can befall someone in the township can also befall someone in the suburb.I guess you're right it''s a matter of perspective.

  • John - 2012-04-18 08:23

    How on earth can things be better now than \then\? With millions of educated people wth skills leaving and at the most corrupt we have ever been. For goodness sake, when did we have a hire murder rate than now? Strange set of measuring tools the writer must have and very different to what I call success! What rubbish!

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 08:34

      I assume she is talking about 'yesterday', meaning the recent past in the new South Africa.

      Sam - 2012-04-18 08:38

      Othe people are not like you, if your skills are nt on global demand dont blame them, when you talk about murder rate how come you forget the government of the white ppl killed ppl recklessly Eugene De Kok is behind bars serving his dues, I hope you get the yard stick between then and now

      John - 2012-04-18 08:45

      Sam, those numbers are a drop in the ocean in comparison to the daily slaughter that happens in SA. We have the 3rd highest murder rate in the world. What sort of country is that to live in. i dont know what the murder rate was 20 - 30 years ago but i am fairly sure it was nothing like the lawnessness that we have today. That aside, do you realy think SA has better education, medical care, police response, or any other government service you can think of than the country had 20 - 30 years ago?

      Sam - 2012-04-18 09:12

      @John, drop in the ocean because they were black killed by whites when one farmer is killed you scream to the roof, where have you seen more than 100 ppl killed in one day today compared to 1976 /56

      John - 2012-04-18 09:19

      Sam. No pont in debating the numbers if we actually dont have numbers. rather lets look at the number of thumbs up my comment is getting and the number you are getting, or are you going to say the votes are skewed because of lack of access to the internet?

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 09:25

      Sam I urge you to google the figures. You aren't speaking truth or fact. Just google, "how many people did the apartheid government kill"

      Sam - 2012-04-18 09:31

      @John, are you nt aware that this forum is dominated by whites who dont like blacks comments, but the point is Eugen De Kok and Janus Walutz are behind bars for killing black people thats what Thuli is clarifying here, people die as result of crime not as intention of government like white regime did

      Kala - 2012-04-18 09:34

      @Sam. Take a look at the home page on News24 and tally up how many people are killed in SA on a daily basis. Include in this tally all those killed in taxi accidents as these deaths are generally caused by some one breaking the law. 20 or 30 years ago we had respect for teachers and our elders. Today they are treated like schitt. Everyday there are reports of rapes, in some case by children, murder, theft, corruption and the list goes on. These atrocities have become so common place in our society that we barely see them as problems anymore. There are less people killed on a daily basis in Afghanistan that in SA. Take that yard stick you refered to in an earlier post and beat yourself awake with it.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 09:38

      John, you just have to accept that propaganda is greater than fact. You can ask a person to seek knowledge and truth, but you can't make them go against what they were taught.

      John - 2012-04-18 09:45

      Sorry Sam, you do not come accross as a well balanced person with a reasonable view based on facts. If you are going to be hung up on something emotional then there no point in a debate. You cant "steamrole" a discussion by throwing up the same example over and over. people will see you for what you are: it just demonstrates incapacity.

      Xavier7034 - 2012-04-18 09:48

      I NEVER supported, and will never support the type of policies and attitudes that were applied by the Apartheid Regime....but, having done some research, to my surprise, I found the following: All those years I thought that the apartheid government killed millions of bl*cks. Furthermore, there is irrefutable truth in these findings below, as the HRC commission is above suspicion, as it is an ANC created entity:- They list the deaths at 21,000. That is 21,000 from 1948. That is less than 400 people per year. But even ONE death would be one too many, ONE death would be unforgivable, as that one may have been your mother, father, brother sister or child. Remarkable. However, it is also remarkable that 92% of these deaths were caused by bl*ck folk themselves. Tribal warfare - IFP vs ANC clashes......

      Sam - 2012-04-18 09:51

      The numbers you will get them from Eugene De kok and above that the evil white regime banned media freedom , the whole media was controlled by military government, even corruption was covered by banning the media, for instance BJ Vorster stole R550m to Swiss bank , Dr John Smith who was employed by world Bank came across that scandal he tried to uncovered the dossier he was killed at his home in Springs even today nobody knows who killed him.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 10:03

      @xavier That is the truth. Like you said, the statistics are on an official government page. But, I can also completely understand all the hatred. You can only hope that education teaches people to seek knowledge rather than propaganda.

      Mart - 2012-04-18 10:47

      The one thing that you all may agree on is the fact that it's all about numbers. Let's for example take a profitable business. The business only remains profitable if the numbers are right. Numbers can mean money or productivity or demand etc but the most critical factor that is the make or break in a business are the 'people numbers'. This brings me to my point....it is illogical to expect the people of this country to keep sharing a shrinking pie....the numbers simply don't add up. You cannot make poor people rich by making the rich people poor. Life is just not able to compute this. No people, it's about numbers. I am totally dumbfounded that birth control and family planning is not on top of government's agenda. Surely given that for reasons of custom, living conditions and quality of life that the poor are having children that the cannot afford to bring into this world...and this has been prolific for the past 30 years...and the sad thing is that they probably don't want more than 1 or 2, but circumstance has dictated otherwise, that this must be addressed. Our greatest challenge is to allow natural attrition to get our numbers to balance. We need to focus on quality rather than quantity of life....it's actually quite simple. Instead of government spending billions on anti-rtroviral to control a situation that is largley self inflicted, they should rather spend that money on birth control measure, encouraging voluntary sterilisation and the like.

      Lerato - 2012-04-18 11:28

      @John, SA is better today than yesterday!! The fact that (to quote you) “millions of educated people” are leaving is a non-event, that’s what we call globalisation, look at the number of professional people streaming to SA. At my workplace we have about 30% of our stuff from overseas ( mainly UK, US, France and Holland) Go to UCT and see how many Prof are begging to be part of the academic team. The fact that one’s got issues with the current government mustn’t let you be emotional and ignore facts, look at the number of people with access to electricity, clean water, health facilities etc it have changed a lot for the better and I hope it will keep on improving. I am not saying we are at our optimum of development but we are definitely growing. I have people I went to school with, highly qualified who left SA for Europe, and news flash – most of them are all back because the chances of you making it in Jozi as compared to London are high. So forget about the people who are leaving, I suggest that all those who think that SA is going under – better pack your bags and go where you think is better; it’s all part of globalisation and its encouraged. For me and my colleagues, we are enjoying SA and for sure Madonsela SA OF TODAY IS FAR BETTER THAN YESTEDAY!!!!! Even De Klerk yesterday on BBC Hardtalk confirmed that SA is getting better than previously !!!

      Andre - 2012-04-18 19:43

      Less people die in Iraq per day as to compared to South Africa, and thats only noted on the news, how many we never hear of??? So how can it be a better place today than yesterday????????????????

  • esethu3 - 2012-04-18 08:26

    We need more Mandontsela's; Hopefully Universities are "COOKING" them. I just wish more youth was into Politics because it is only through us that PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION CHANGE will occur in SA. OLD PEOPLE are just ruining our country

      Tebogo Thape - 2012-04-18 09:22

      well said Esethu, it is through academics and aspiring students which may bring a change in the modern SA

      Xavier7034 - 2012-04-18 10:34

      Not sure what you mean by "old" people @esethu3 - mainly because OLD is a relative term, and AGE id in the mind. Perhaps what you meant to say was OLD THINKING? And truly NEW THINKING is what we all need. That is why Ms Thuli Madonsela is such a breath of fresh thinking....we just need more of her calibre.

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 08:31

    The only person who talks sense

      John - 2012-04-18 08:40

      Hi Tony, do you think "things" in SA are better today than say 5 years or 10 years ago?

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 09:20

      @john It really depends on what you are looking at. If it is crime and farm murders, then no. But as far as corruption goes, I do believe that today's ministers arent getting away with as much as they did previously, and things are a little bit better than 'yesterday'. At least there is some action, whereas before, there was hardly any mention of corrupt deals. We knew it was happening, but it was never as exposed.

      John - 2012-04-18 09:23

      Well, lest see how we go when the new information bill is passed. What then?

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 09:27

      That another story, but yeah, I still think this woman has her head on her shoulders and wants what is best for everyone:

      John - 2012-04-18 09:47

      I am with you on that one Tony, I just wonder how uncomfortable the ANC are prepared to get before they start making life difficult for her.

  • Sam - 2012-04-18 08:40

    its great that Thuli was appointed by the very same anc government which has clear indictation that the anc does nt appoint cronies and chomees

      John - 2012-04-18 08:47

      The ANC will eventually silence and undermine her position. Do you think they will allow her to embarrace them? Its just a matter of time.

      Sam - 2012-04-18 09:33

      @John, nonsense at first she ruled against jacob Zuma for not declaring his interest , she was nt silenced

      Kevin - 2012-04-18 18:03

      Sam, my friend. One person who isn't influenced/controlled by the ANC doesn't unfortunately make our new SA better. She is an exception to the rule, a wonderfully refreshing exception, but she is outnumbered by the crooked politicians. I have also checked the numbers killed during the Apartheid era and it is nowhere near the number of South Africans being killed in the 'new' SA. How many South Africans have died from poor healthcare since the ANC took power? Our government has failed us badly on crime-prevention, eradication of corruption and good leadership examples. Suggest you also Google 'racism' because a lot of your comments are far more racist than a balanced opinion should be.

  • Ronnie - 2012-04-18 08:42

    Minister how are things suppose to improve when our matric pass mark is so low, proffesors at university are complaining that students have become weaker. In the near future a politician who wants applause will ask fir the pass mark at hniversities to be dropped to 40%!

  • Rob - 2012-04-18 08:42

    The majority of these " students " will continue to vote & support the very same the corrupt government today, tomorrow & everyday.

  • Gert - 2012-04-18 08:44

    She is wrong--we were better off without tollgates.

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-04-18 08:45

    How i so wish i was attending that lecture, must be sooo inspiring watching and listening to this woman talk live.

  • Den - 2012-04-18 08:53

    yaaaaa, nows whos living with a bucket over her head?

  • Morné Carter - 2012-04-18 08:58

    news is always better whenb she's in it. good job.

  • Keaobaka - 2012-04-18 09:21

    I was lucky enough to be in the audience last night. In her signature graceful flair, she delivered quite an incisive thought provoking lecture. It was more than a lecture because it had interactive elements in that the students were given an opportunity to ask questions. What she helps me see is that some of the problems that we are facing trancend the usual scapegoat of Apartheid. I agree with her that we cannot blame the legacy of apartheid for all our current problems. Some have been created in the 18 years of democracy such as the crisis and chaos that we are experiencing in basic/school education. As a person who was there I agree with the caption because it captures the essence of her message. Auspicious is one of the words that was used to introduce her. Those who are negative about the future of this country I sometimes wonder if we are from the same country.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 09:36

      Well said, but the negativity warranted. South Africa has the potential to be the richest country in Africa and the world. You can't help but feel discouraged when you see more and more street kids, murders, informal settlements, higher tax, higher corruption. I assure you, very soon the cost of living is going to cause more deaths amongst the poor than ever thought possible. Negativity is there, but it is the only way you can point out the things that need to be solved.

  • Kala - 2012-04-18 09:37

    "Madonsela said academics could help by developing the law to better fight aspects of corruption." We don't need new laws or the current law to be developed. What we need is better implementation of the law and proper application of the relevant sentences if found guilty.

  • schalk.mattheys - 2012-04-18 09:38

    And we are supposed to swallow this bs!? Really!? "Students and academics must help to get the country’s constitutional dream back on track" Really!? I thought that was the responsibility of the governement!? Madonsela said despite many challenges, "today" was better than "yesterday" in South Africa. REALLY!? A president, minister of defense, police chief/s and all the rest of the ANC gravy train brigade, all corrupt to the core and stealing the SA tax payer blind, an economy that’s in a free fall, highest rape statistics and one of the highest violent crime statistics on the planet, public medical services virtually non-operational, Escom’s load sharing, ridiculous inflation rate, 30% unemployment …I could go on all day…Please explain to me exactly how “today is better than yesterday!?” SA may be better for the fat cats in the ANC, but for people who live on or below the breadline, SA today is definitely not better than yesterday!

      bluzulu - 2012-04-18 10:02

      IT"S BETTER>>>>>>WE ARE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

      Philimsomi - 2012-04-18 10:14

      yes bluzulu it s better bt they don't understand and expecting them to understand isn't fair! So let them be....

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 10:27

      Please stop generalizing. Not all of "them" feel the same way as this guy.

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-04-18 10:34

      Yes blu, you are free, free to live in a country with the highst rape & crime statistics in the world. Free to have the most corrupt government in the history of SA. Free to watch as the ANC moves towards changing the constitution which will cause SA to become a police state, much worse than anything ever seen during apartheid. But hey, yes, you're free...

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-04-18 11:18

      Tony, How does "this guy" feel? I assume you feel "today is better than yesterday?" So enlighten us, start at 1994, tralalala! Rainbow nation and all that mumbo jumbo ..etc.etc. What of consequence is better in 2012 than it was in 1994? And come up with something that makes more sense than blu who responded without reading/understanding what I wrote in the first place

      rrakoma - 2012-04-18 12:18

      ok schalk let me give you some education, I was free to live in a suburb, go to an english meduim school, go to a good varsity, live in a nice place date a beautiful white woman, and live my live to whatever I wish it to be, I am not afraid of crime like you are, I have never bn robed, I understood that the load sheding happened bcause our power grids where never created to accomodate the entire country, nothing in the past was you see, if for example you wanted a business, home or personal loan pre 94 and where white, you got it. My family lost title deeds, my dad wanted to be a lawyer but had no money to pursue this, so like 60 percent of our parents he became a teacher, and from those teachers came doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants etc. Yes there are hundred of thousands of black proffessionals, so we are moving forward as a country.

      rrakoma - 2012-04-18 12:18

      ok schalk let me give you some education, I was free to live in a suburb, go to an english meduim school, go to a good varsity, live in a nice place date a beautiful white woman, and live my live to whatever I wish it to be, I am not afraid of crime like you are, I have never bn robed, I understood that the load sheding happened bcause our power grids where never created to accomodate the entire country, nothing in the past was you see, if for example you wanted a business, home or personal loan pre 94 and where white, you got it. My family lost title deeds, my dad wanted to be a lawyer but had no money to pursue this, so like 60 percent of our parents he became a teacher, and from those teachers came doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants etc. Yes there are hundred of thousands of black proffessionals, so we are moving forward as a country.

      rrakoma - 2012-04-18 12:18

      ok schalk let me give you some education, I was free to live in a suburb, go to an english meduim school, go to a good varsity, live in a nice place date a beautiful white woman, and live my live to whatever I wish it to be, I am not afraid of crime like you are, I have never bn robed, I understood that the load sheding happened bcause our power grids where never created to accomodate the entire country, nothing in the past was you see, if for example you wanted a business, home or personal loan pre 94 and where white, you got it. My family lost title deeds, my dad wanted to be a lawyer but had no money to pursue this, so like 60 percent of our parents he became a teacher, and from those teachers came doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants etc. Yes there are hundred of thousands of black proffessionals, so we are moving forward as a country.

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-04-18 13:08

      rrakoma, I stand corrected, if you say that SA is moving forward as a country, then it must be so! We'll just ignore the corrupt ANC government and all the other AWESOME things that are so much BETTER today than they were yesterday. Wow, never been robbed hey? Must be very lucky or a very tough guy or live in a really secure neighbourhood. Really, never been robbed, you do live in SA right?

  • Deon - 2012-04-18 09:40

    No, it is worse now than in 2008. It might get better when our "dear leader" gets prosecuted for his fraud, corruption, money laundering etc. cases that was stopped in 2009. What a stupid reason to have stopped his prosecution (political influence) is he not a polititian?

  • Keaobaka - 2012-04-18 09:56

    Those who used to have the cake all to themselves might find it difficult now as the cake will have to be shared. They may be grumbling bitterly now because they are not getting as big a slice as they used to get some 20 years ago. I am not gonna mention them by name/race/group because they know themselves. We understand that you are complaining not because of the crime, so-called racial farm attacks, corrupt/ineffecient government, but actually what you are crying about is the loss/reduction of your cake slice and using all the latter day so-called problems to hide your actual bitterness at losing power and big share in the cake. Yes there are problems but from where I come from those problems do not make yesterday [as horrendous as it was, remember I only began to be seen as a human being(my humanity is even still disputed in some dark quarters) with human rights and dignity & right to determine my own destiny on 27/04/1994 and post]. That is why some are arguing that Yesterday way better than today. They have created their own delusional reality in which this country has a bleak future with a corrupt, illiterate, incompetent, and crime infested government of thugs. They predicted that we are heading in the same direction as Zimbabwe. Yet the this country is doing even better than it was doing economically in you "better yesterday". Those that have emigrated to places like Australia are watching enviously because what the predicted would happen has not seen light.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-18 10:01

      On point mate,

      bluzulu - 2012-04-18 10:01

      They will come back with their tails between their legs.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 10:15

      One sided thinking. You assume that all people had a slice of the 'cake' when it was really only the select few who were lucky to be in mining and business. Most of the people from that time were middle-class, and they worked very hard for the lives that they had. I won't deny that there were selfish evil intentions by the few, but you are saying that everyone got everything for free. We are complaining because we know how much better life can be for EVERYONE if we stamp out selfish ministers, corrupt departments and put the money to good use.

      adam - 2012-04-19 06:16

      Keaobaka, without mentioning them, these people voted in a referendum to allow your "freedom", enjoy it while it lasts.

  • Cris - 2012-04-18 10:11

    Thuli Madonsela has now totally confused her white fans by this statement. I can just hear them say 'they are all the same' lol.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 10:19

      Actually, this lady is impressive. I can hear them say, "at last, the ANC have appointed a decent person to a role."

      Cris - 2012-04-18 10:40

      Impressive she might be but is it also because her job entails investigating GVT Officials. A role she was given by the same GVT.

  • David - 2012-04-18 10:16

    I agree with her,but saying that SA today is better than in the past,is like saying that high care is better than intensive care.Health care and education are certainly not better than in the past. SA is a mess and is getting progressively worse.

  • Mart - 2012-04-18 10:28

    Madonsela is stopping just short of telling the real truth.....the truth that 'organised crime' is running this country. Why do decision makers take forever to make decisions ? It is because they have to consult with their underworld bosses to ensure that it fits in with their roadmap of the future. Put pressure on Government to make better and quicker decisions at every opportunity. Procrastination is a problem that gives criminals breathing space to manipulate and dictate.

      Keaobaka - 2012-04-18 10:57

      Her assertion is that corruption[defined by transperancy international as "the abuse of entrusted power for private gain"] has prevented/delayed the realisation of the South Africa envisioned in our constitution. She cited many examples and organised crime manifested itself in many of the examples cited. I would not go as far as saying organised crime is running the country. It is nevertheless, a big challenge for law enforcement. As for the decisions that are taken at snail pace, you have a right under administrative law to bring decisions under review if your rights have been put at a peril by the slowness of those decisions. The office of the public protector may even be approached for help if that is the case. Even the president has alluded to this problem. Why don't we help by suggesting solutions to the government bureacracy. If the people of this country could just realise that they have so much power in their hands that can be harnessed collectively.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 11:04

      @kaeokaba If it wasn't for your previous 'cake' comment, I would've thought of you as an intelligent, selfless example of how people should interact and behave.

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-04-18 11:26

      LOL! Keabaka! you're funny man! Suggesting solutions to the government? LOL! The government is stealing from the SA taxpayers. Simple. Do you think a government official does not know when he/she is stealing!? What suggestions do you make that will be strong enough for the ANC government to actually give a hoot about all the stealing that it is doing? Wake up bro, this is past the point of suggestions! the whole ANC government needs a wake up slap!

      Cris - 2012-04-18 11:30

      @Tony Lapson you say @kaeokaba If it wasn't for your previous 'cake' comment, I would've thought of you as an intelligent, selfless example of how people should interact and behave. WHO ARE YOU??

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 12:31

      Who am I? A coloured man who understands both sides of the story. I had a loving white father and black mother, both of whom delt with struggles, yet taught me well and looked after me. Not that you care though.

  • jack.kukard - 2012-04-18 11:06

    Can she please inform us what is better , roads , health , water ,security ,schooling or maybe sanitation .......The only thing that is better is corruption and having as many wives as you want.....

  • Lerato - 2012-04-18 11:25

    @John, SA is better today than yesterday!! The fact that (to quote you) “millions of educated people” are leaving is a non-event, that’s what we call globalisation, look at the number of professional people streaming to SA. At my workplace we have about 30% of our stuff from overseas ( mainly UK, US, France and Holland) Go to UCT and see how many Prof are begging to be part of the academic team. The fact that one’s got issues with the current government mustn’t let you be emotional and ignore facts, look at the number of people with access to electricity, clean water, health facilities etc it have changed a lot for the better and I hope it will keep on improving. I am not saying we are at our optimum of development but we are definitely growing. I have people I went to school with, highly qualified who left SA for Europe, and news flash – most of them are all back because the chances of you making it in Jozi as compared to London are high. So forget about the people who are leaving, I suggest that all those who think that SA is going under – better pack your bags and go where you think is better; it’s all part of globalisation and its encouraged. For me and my colleagues, we are enjoying SA and for sure Madonsela SA OF TODAY IS FAR BETTER THAN YESTEDAY!!!!! Even De Klerk yesterday on BBC Hardtalk confirmed that SA is getting better than previously !!!

      Keaobaka - 2012-04-18 12:10

      Lerato their comments are aligned with the stereotypes that they hold about black people. No matter how much evidence is given to disprove their bleak assertions and prediction it seems that they can never be liberated from their Verwoerdian indoctrination. This country and its government will always, for them, be a pandemonium of corruption, incompetence, poverty, disease ect. The only positive thing that they can say about this country is the NG kerk and the national rugby team. They are living in a different country.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 12:37

      "evidence" being your own opinion.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-04-18 11:28

    After all the hard struggle of unfairness and greed I hope so. Please explain who is it better for??? Black white or the gov

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 12:26

      Black and white all the time.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-04-18 11:30

    You have your own play ground to bully yourself. But when all the good faithful don't want to play in your game then you going to be poor and lonely

  • Keaobaka - 2012-04-18 11:52

    @Tony Lapson and your replicas I am not here to earn some worthless recognition from quasi-humans like you. I am at a stage of my evolution where I know my worth and this knowledge is independant of what people like you think of it. I am just here to provide some balance and a different perspective to the normallly one-dimentional right-wing like perspective that we are at risk of having as our norm at this forum. A wise man once said that we [by we I mean South Africans] are very good fighting personalities and not very good at engaging ideas. You have not engaged my idea in totality, and why do you become so agressive when I touch on the subject of the cake? Have I touched a raw nerve here? The cake one remains my assertion because it eplains very neatly why some people are so bitter, delusional and negative about our country and its future. What about those one side comments that we see under the stories like "farm killing: cops suspect teen". For those who hold the delusional view that the past was better there are many other emotive issues like employment equity, quotas and the racialisation of crime. Any story that touches on these issues is predictably accompanied by stereotypical comments. Have you said anything about their one-sidedness? It was a low blow to call any person with a different view unintelligent as you imply in your comment and that is why I am calling you a quasi-human because a human being should not behave like that.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 12:25

      I didn't try to insult you, but if you wish to get emotional, fire away.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-18 12:35

      Btw I wasn't phased by your cake comment on a personal level, it's just the two faces you present. You cannot argue racial stereotypes when you present a racial stereotype which only applies to the richest 10 percent of people who are, now, either old or dead. Please calm yourself.

  • Trevor - 2012-04-18 12:48

    You have got to be Kidding.

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-04-18 13:24

      Thats the tradgedy here Trevor, these guys are not kidding, time will tell...the gravy train will run out of steam...eventually.

  • devenjoey.theron - 2012-04-18 14:47

    yes, i think you are great! you do alot to make things better. when i hear your name, i feel there is hope for all people. keep it up:)

  • jerome.rothman - 2012-04-18 15:05

    Madonsela for President!

  • Stephen - 2012-04-18 15:47

    She's a candle in the darkness.

  • Morne - 2012-04-18 15:47

    its because of your post, huge pay and audi Q7. yes i would also feel better.

  • Manu - 2012-04-18 16:27

    Yesterday a workmate was telling me how she had attended the graduation of her sister's child. Now this workmate of mine lives in a township. I cannot adequately describe her joy. But for her to watch a member of her family graduate from a unitversity was a big deal. And she told me with hope in her voice that she is looking forward to the day that her children also graduate from university. Sitting and listening to her was a very humbling experience. Yes for the middle class and the rich things may not necessarily be getting better. But we should not forget that the masses now live with hopes of a better future. Would they have had reason to hope for a better life under apartheid?

  • George - 2012-04-18 17:11

    Talk is cheap. Another wannabe politico. Why is she not defending the constitution and removing the hated and illegal SCAMRAL's e-Toll caper? Eish, wok is too hard.

  • beryl.knipe - 2012-04-19 05:35

    "Madonsela urged them to help instil proper values in society and to help people understand how the government works." I believe that the majority of people know exactly how the government works - for itself!! As for the statement: "instil proper values in society.." - Why don't you LIST and INSTIL these "proper values" that you're talking about, Madonsela?

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