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SAPS must be 'well-oiled machine'

2012-08-03 22:13

Johannesburg - The SA Police Service (SAPS) needs to sharpen up its training of officers, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Friday.

"The task that confronts us is to act urgently to galvanise the SAPS into a well-oiled machine," Mthethwa said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Mpumalanga safety and security summit in Secunda.

"However, without high levels of discipline, command and control, this would not be possible."

He said a distinction needed to be drawn between the use of maximum force against violent criminals, and the use of minimum force when dealing with citizens.

"We should not have any blurring [of these] lines when it comes to command and control," the minister said.

More attention was being given to specialised training and firearm handling, as well as making sure officers responding to a crime were properly equipped.

"Unless we address and pay attention to these kinds of training, we shall not achieve the kind of results we aim to."

There also needed to be ongoing training for police officers. A first step was to review the recruitment process, said Mthethwa.

The length of police training had changed from 12 months to two years, and now incorporated theory and practical training.

"We are also now placing stringent conditions [on recruitment], with the emphasis on attracting the most talented and committed South Africans into the SAPS," said Mthethwa.

"We continuously stress the aspect of training, precisely because - when it comes to training - it is an ongoing learning process."

He said training would always be bench-marked against international standards.

The new national police commissioner, Riah Phiyega, had assured the police that skills development and retention of skills remained a priority in the 2012/13 financial year.

"Some of the training aspects are now beginning to yield results; for example, when one looks at how police are currently handling service delivery protests," said Mthethwa.

"The fact of the matter is that protests will always be there and we cannot have situations where there are tensions between the protesters and police."

He said his ministry had began reviewing the 1998 white paper on safety and security.

"We need a policy that inspires society and empowers law enforcement agencies to effectively fight crime.

"At the same time, we require a policy that will send a message to criminals that their 'honeymoon' is over," Mthethwa said.

Comments
  • rickvcooper - 2012-08-03 22:20

    Judging by the number of times SAPS officers have tried to extort money from me, the SAPS must already be a very well oiled machine.

      ruan.nielsen.3 - 2012-08-03 23:46

      Heres an idea,,,promote police on a merit system and not a buddy system,the more they fight crime ie,arrests,cases solved and investigated,the quicker they get promoted,it works well in the US

      john.barbarian.9 - 2012-08-04 03:11

      In a Country where Police stations are protected by Security Companies - don't expect much. In fact, SA Police it doesn't have enough only skiled people, but any technology advantages. There are still SA Police stations within a country where even Radio communications are non existent. They using their own cellphones. Next thing for our "Well Oiled Machine" will be purchasing own amunitions, becouse that also is a problem. Years after years of fragulent tenders....Nthati, you don't have any metal parts to be galvanised. SAPS stays wooden and archaic. Viva Comrades !!!

      Cavefacio - 2012-08-04 11:03

      Rick I just shook my head skimmed the rest of the article and stooped to quickly post as per below. What a lot of cr@p. "The fact of the matter is that protests will always be there and we cannot have situations where there are tensions between the protesters and police." "OK Chaps lets forget the anger of cold water, no roads, craply run clinics and poor schooling and daily hassle of a dysfunctional taxi system. Shake hands, lets look at each other and smile, put down the stones and then there's a nice cup of tea over there. Our nerves are already so shot from working hard at oiling the machine, we cannot handle these chants and carrying on. The tension is just too much.~Sigh~ CHOPS

  • christelle.james.7 - 2012-08-03 22:23

    Do you yourself understand the extend of the discipline you are talking about?

  • lyborn.sithole - 2012-08-03 22:33

    What a bad example to give!!! I mean we dont really care how well the police handle service delivery protests, we care much about their response during crime acts and their corrupt tendencies

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-08-03 22:41

    So this is a blatant admittance that certain SAPS members are incompetent in for filling there role as protectors and enforcers of this country. Its a scary thought. If you can't turn to the SAPS in your hour of need,,,who do you turn too?

  • Gerda Malherbe - 2012-08-03 22:42

    Biggest criminals are the past two commissioners. There Selebi is free to do as he likes, Cele is corrupt. Clean up from your ministry to the smallest station, Mthethwa. Discipline my big toe, most are unfriendly, unhelpfull and grossly overweight. I pity the few dedicated officers still trying to make a difference in a sea of corruption and incompetence

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-08-03 22:44

    My response to the headline: WE KNOW. WE HAVE KNOWN THIS FOR YEARS. LESS TALK MORE WALK.

  • jonpaul.sampson - 2012-08-03 23:04

    Stop promoting useless,incompetent fools who knows absolutely nothing about service and plan for fighting crime.Not managing it.

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-03 23:27

    Ah yes, more cute soundbites. SAPS is already a 'well-oiled' machine but it is the quality and source of the grease that is in question. 18yrs on and they're still poorly trained, woefully unequipped and have no back-up systems esp. in forensics. You force them to wear bullet-vests that weigh 20x the international norm purely because they are made in South Africa, have a [seemingly] haphazard weapons training and every time any investigative unit does well, you immediately dismantle it. As with everything else, you leave pockets of competency surrounded by craters of incompetency, corruption and criminal infiltration. In 18yrs you've only been successful in palming off safety and security onto that portion of the private sector that can afford it. You continue to cry "South Africa is safe" whilst high walls, electric fencing & satellite tracking now give you a reduction in insurance premiums(!) and more civilians die every day from criminal acts than pre-1994. Police stations have to ask for private armed-response support in some areas, have no cars, cars without wheels, wheels without petrol, drivers without licences. Police stations have no staff, no pens, no computers and sometimes no telephones. All of this is old, old, old news reported again and again. Stop greasing the voters via the media and DO something.

  • phoofolo.lebohang - 2012-08-04 00:03

    Shame on... This country its rule by the criminals its self. Criminals they have been treated like an angels. Police officers and victims of crime, are the enemies of the ruling party.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-08-04 00:32

    More like well oiled criminals.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-08-04 00:32

    They are more like well oiled criminals.

      eric.f.moloi - 2012-08-04 00:35

      Hahahahaha lol

  • eric.f.moloi - 2012-08-04 00:42

    Nothing of his statements makes sense of lately,hw does he look in police uniform?

  • Melusi - 2012-08-04 02:59

    I dont understand when you say a distinction between violent criminals and citizens. Are you suggesting that violent criminals are foreigners. I dont think so.

  • tw2066 - 2012-08-04 06:28

    Yada yada. Give up on AA in the police. Give up on jobs for pals, Bring in accountability AT THE TOP. Explain = the POLICE WORK FOR THE TAXPAYER, get over the idea of GENERALS and just do the wek. Kick some butt at the top - the big boss GENERAL whatever title floats boats these days is - in my area - is pompous, arrogant, racist and lazy. I bet this is general for your GENERALS. As for crime - stop blaming eveything that moves and some things that dont, and start accepting responsibility. There is an AG SIES SHAME when a cop gets shot - ITS THEIR JOB, THEY CHOSE IT. Nobody CHOOSES to be a crime victim. And a final word of advice - Get rid of the blue light billies. They are criminals. Then again you are a cadre of the ANC, - you are better than the rest so do as you please - you are going to anyway.

  • iceman196 - 2012-08-04 07:03

    A well oiled machine, that was the description of the SADF before it got got stuffed up just like our so called excuse of a police service got stuffed up, hence the requirement of hardcore private security firms, tell you what mthethwa, send your little boys and girls to school first so that they can read and write ( a requirement to take statements, Oh and make sure they get text books to study) Teach them to treat the tax paying public with respect and then maybe we can talk about proper training, until then I dont bother with you, your police are a corrupt waste of time

  • bomb.technician.5 - 2012-08-04 07:36

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA.....................funny, until 1993 we probably had the best police force in the world........

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-08-04 07:39

    The office procedures must be part of the well-oiled machine. Ensure correct procedures when handing over shifts so that urgent calls do not 'fall through the cracks' and are responded to immediately, not 45 minutes after the call. - Kathy

  • terrence.schwartz.1 - 2012-08-04 07:49

    It used to be a well oiled machine, there was discipline in the College thanks to likes of Bokkie Breedt and Kraai Lesch, they were lean and fit due to ÓM DIE BAAN drills. Those of that era who are still around, demotivated as a result of affirmative action policies, know one who has been waiting 15 years for a promotion, clean record etc., alas, pigmentation and nepotism is the name of the game, Minister, you guys just dont get it! I dont worry about you, but worry for the Country.

  • whoowhoohoo - 2012-08-04 07:50

    The expression "well-oiled" refers to people that are so drunk they cannot stand on their own feet. In that respect our so-called police force is already probably the most "well-oiled" in the world. You simply cannot train a savage to be civilised. End of story and welcome Zimbabwe.

  • mike.clery - 2012-08-04 07:54

    All we ever hear (from ALL ministries) is how it "should be" or "must be". Now do something about making it so instead of doing the opposite (as your party has been doing for the last 18 years).

  • daniel.v.wyk - 2012-08-04 08:10

    Heard this all before! Stomach in Chest out! Kick all immigrants out!

  • fred.potgieter.92 - 2012-08-04 08:13

    "We are also now placing stringent conditions [on recruitment], with the emphasis on attracting the most talented and committed South Africans into the SAPS," said Mthethwa. So Minister Mthethwa, does this mean white South Africans too? Or are you going to still stick with this stupid racial percentage thing and only consider blacks for leader positions, regardless of experience and capabilities?

      sarel.brits - 2012-08-04 09:43

      The best Talent costs money and how else is the ANC going to create employment for the masses.

  • conrad.buitendacht - 2012-08-04 08:20

    the only part that is well oiled is the part that takes bribes and makes corruption. it was never like this before 1994

  • sydney.lincoln - 2012-08-04 08:55

    police authorities like commisioners, branch-commanders etc., should be trained how to managed and strategise first...and get rid of the lazy ones.

  • zionpercival.pay - 2012-08-04 08:57

    A TV program between Six and six thirty tells 7us how good and diligent the cops are. suggest the colonel who promotes this poppycock resign and SABC close the program down.

  • kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-04 09:23

    This is very serious, u like racialising. And politicising everything? This is not anc or da thing, it affects us all

  • Francois Steyl - 2012-08-04 09:34

    Bla, bla, bla, bla......

  • sarel.brits - 2012-08-04 09:47

    Phaaa ha ha ha what a funny thing to say \a well oiled machine\ Well at least their Palms get oiled with bribe money now and then.

  • glen.bleksley - 2012-08-04 10:44

    Stomach in chest out, be a ooomph kind of product! People must envy your body when you walk!

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-04 12:06

    Revival of the Keystone Cops. No less.

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-08-04 13:36

    Yes! With a generous dose of Castor Oil to flush out the crap !

  • stefventerza - 2012-08-04 13:58

    Police needs to sharpen their training, and they only realized it now??More attention was being given to specialised training and firearm handling,our training use to be the best, bu to appoint Incompetent trainers, instructors is the cause off the lack the new cops have.As well as making sure officers responding to a crime were properly equipped they say, Well promote un educated people to officers, and appoint family into the cops just because off that and they work as highly paid officers is the cause off un equipped officers. Never before had the SAP had this problem, Never was a seargent not respected and now an officers does not even get saluted, Boots are loose, shirts hang out, Head dress is an optional it seems, No the lack off dissipline started when the wrong people were appointed as head off the cops and it makes all the young cops that followed they way they are now. Now the training is not enough, 2 years now for training and all that we did in 6 months. How long does unfit people still want to waste time on training before they have a proper equipped police officer. That is money spend off tax payers where alot more cops could have been trained. The cops need a policy, If they did not remove the policy that was in place there would not have been a need for aother policy. Many well trained police officers left then service, due to politcal stress. Studied for higher rank, paid for it, and only if passed, was promoted. Now its Mahala( For free)Step it up leader

  • John - 2012-08-06 22:58

    That is all we will get out of you Mtetwa, SPEECH! Instruct your National commissioner to instruct her provincial commissioners to instruct your cluster commanders to instruct your station commissioners to instruct their officers to instruct warrant officers to instruct their sergeants to instruct their constables to undergo BASIC TRAINING which they did not comprehend the first time round. Weed out the rot. keep those that can learn the job 100%. Any lower than that is useless and gives US what WE have!

  • John - 2012-08-06 22:58

    That is all we will get out of you Mtetwa, SPEECH! Instruct your National commissioner to instruct her provincial commissioners to instruct your cluster commanders to instruct your station commissioners to instruct their officers to instruct warrant officers to instruct their sergeants to instruct their constables to undergo BASIC TRAINING which they did not comprehend the first time round. Weed out the rot. keep those that can learn the job 100%. Any lower than that is useless and gives US what WE have!

  • John - 2012-08-06 22:59

    That is all we will get out of you Mtetwa, SPEECH! Instruct your National commissioner to instruct her provincial commissioners to instruct your cluster commanders to instruct your station commissioners to instruct their officers to instruct warrant officers to instruct their sergeants to instruct their constables to undergo BASIC TRAINING which they did not comprehend the first time round. Weed out the rot. keep those that can learn the job 100%. Any lower than that is useless and gives US what WE have!

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