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Sanral not ready for tolls, court hears

2012-04-24 12:04

Johannesburg - The SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) is not ready to proceed with the tolling of Gauteng's roads because no exemption has been made for public transport, the North Gauteng High Court heard on Tuesday.

"Although Sanral contests the urgency (of this application) ...the truth of it is that it is not ready to proceed (with tolling) on the 30th of April because exemptions are not in place," said Alistair Franklin, for the applicants, who include the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa).

Outa and others are trying to stop tolling because, according to court papers, Sanral failed to give proper notice of the intent to toll, the decision to toll was unreasonable, and that proper enforcement of the system was "practically impossible".

Franklin submitted that despite numerous assurances that public transport would be exempted, no steps to realise this had taken place. The applicants were thus seeking to have the toll tariffs reviewed and set aside. This was among the arguments contained in an affidavit filed by the applicants on Saturday.

David Unterhalter, for Sanral, said the affidavit had been filed "at the 11th hour" and did not afford the respondents, who include Sanral and the transport minister, adequate time to respond.

He called it "a very considerable expansion of the case" which would prejudice Sanral.

If the court was willing to entertain the new arguments, Unterhalter said the matter should be postponed to allow Sanral time to respond.

"We ask this court to strike the application."

Comments
  • Bryan - 2012-04-24 12:09

    The only thing which is being 'prejudiced'is the tax paying public... To hell with SANRAL and the ANC government!!!!

      Edward - 2012-04-24 20:34

      please tell me i will ne gettinga a reduction on the price of petrol, seeing that i will be driving 80% of my travels on toll roads for which the goverment will not be paying the upkeep, the (supposed) function of the levy on petrol.

  • Kobus - 2012-04-24 12:11

    Nor am I. Or will be. EVER. Put that in your pipe and smoke it :)

  • Dave - 2012-04-24 12:13

    I dont really care if they are ready or not, I dont want the damn tolls.....ever

      Susan - 2012-04-24 12:59

      I agree, the tolls are not there for our benefit.. it's to benefit the fat cats...

      eugene.meyer1980 - 2012-04-24 15:53

      Until I am ready for SANRAL's e-toll system I wont pay. And to be honest, I wont EVER be ready. So go ahead, throw money at getting this e-tolling system up and running. But dont expect me to be ready EVER for their new white elephants.

      Dave - 2012-04-24 16:46

      How can we pay for a service when they are still busy building it and we have not got a completed system. must we pay for somthing that once again is not being delivered.

  • Clive - 2012-04-24 12:14

    Just say NO, we aint going to take it. Stand Firm and we will win.

      Sean - 2012-04-24 13:37

      Sing along with me [Lyrics by Twisted Sister] Oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore we've Got The Right To Choose And there Ain't No Way We'll Lose It this Is Our Life, This Is Our Song we'll Fight The Powers That Be Just don't Pick Our Destiny 'cause you Don't Know Us, You Don't Belong oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore oh You're So Condescending your Gall Is Never Ending we Don't Want Nothin', Not A Thing From You your Life Is Trite And Jaded boring And Confiscated if That's Your Best, Your Best Won't Do oh..................... oh..................... we're Right/yeah we're Free/yeah we'll Fight/yeah you'll See/yeah oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore oh We're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore no Way! oh, oh we're Right/yeah we're Free/yeah we'll Fight/yeah you'll See/yeah we're Not Gonna Take It no, We Ain't Gonna Take It we're Not Gonna Take It Anymore we're Not Gonna Take It, No! no, We Ain't Gonna Take It we're Not Gonna Take It Anymore just You Try And Make Us we're Not Gonna Take It come On no, We Ain't Gonna Take It you're All Worthless And Weak we're Not Gonna Take It Anymore now Drop And Give Me Twenty we're Not Gonna Take It oh Crinch Pin no, We Ain't Gonna Take It oh You And Your Uniform we're Not Gonna Take It Anymore

  • Jaco - 2012-04-24 12:14

    I hope that whole tolling system collapses!!

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:17

      it will!

  • Alfred - 2012-04-24 12:15

    Forget about the fact that the entire country is going to the tolls kicking and screaming but hell, if the taxis have to pay then we'll grind the whole thing to a complete halt in an instant. Seems to me that the only people who are prepared to go froward with this predictably shambolic disaster are the usual criminally incompetent thieves who have their pension plans tied into it.

      Alfred - 2012-04-24 14:21

      Actually Aphiwe, I think you'll find that the white man is using that dreaded thing that your 'bruddahs' in government have absolutely zero concept of - the law. I'm sure that even you, another outstanding product of the Eastern Cape, realise that the only reason SANRAL is exempting taxi's from paying etolls is because they are well aware that they would go on another category 5 chimpout and burn their offices to the ground within the first day of the system becoming active. By the way Aphiwe, I've got a sneaking suspicion that you're not familiar with sarcasm but I'll give it a shot anyways... Please accept my sincerest apologies on behalf of white folks everywhere for giving the impression that I'm victimising taxi drivers once again. It would be nothing short of a travesty of justice if these poor people who show the utmost consideration for everybody else's safety, black and white, actually had to pay the same rates, or anything at all for that matter, for using the same roads that the rest of us do.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-04-24 12:17

    In short they are admitting that they have not done what they should have done and rely on manual post processing of the data? To exempt public transport vehicles you first need to know them and I doubt if the SANRAL system queries the E-natis database as that would require a major upgrade on e-natis and a system of that nature cannot just be changed within three months, hahahahahahahahahah SANRAL!!!!!

  • Sechaba - 2012-04-24 12:19

    Its a pity that Black people who are in Government have to be told by white people who are not even in Government to do the right thing. These Black comrades are a shame, the way they do business they shame all of us more especially ANC voters as people who are incompetent and people who can't reason. I still blame the 70 year old Polygamist

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:23

      mebbe he will fail the Polygraph ...?

      Irene - 2012-04-24 12:27

      Sechaba ~ That's the first sensible thing you've said. Well done.

      Gerald - 2012-04-24 12:43

      Polygamist Polyraph Polly want a cracker, lots of crackers

      Herman - 2012-04-24 12:45

      The anc couldn't even run their own tea club without robbing it blind, what did you expect when they received a progressive and wealthy country to govern (plunder, rob and rape more likely)

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:45

      Hmm - not a Pretty Polly

      Alan - 2012-04-24 13:49

      The ANC/SANRAL cracks are showing .. time for a little Pollyfilla

  • bashandumo - 2012-04-24 12:20

    Sanral my foot... they will get what's coming to them!!!

  • john.fourie1 - 2012-04-24 12:23

    POST PONE the court case & CANCEL E-Toll forever Make the public pay because we never done our home work before implementing 'clever' schemes What makes more sense?

  • Thoka - 2012-04-24 12:25

    Rather use that system for policing purpose, tracking stolen cars. speeding cars, unroadworthy. etc. stop this nonsense

      glenyso2 - 2012-04-24 13:08

      Now, this is the first comment that really makes sense, was thinking on it this morning, the system should work great for that. They keep on saying that EVERYONE had their chance to say they didnt want toll roads, as far as I know, none of us were asked to give any in put, and we have all been saying from the beginning that we didnt want toll roads, what part of "You idiots didnt listen" do they not understand!

      George - 2012-04-24 13:13

      this is what you get when you speak to people, brilliant ideas not idiotic ideas like E-Toll. I sulute yo Thoka,maybe i will vote you in power instead Georgie

      Hester - 2012-04-24 13:26

      Thoko what a brilliant idea!!!

  • Alan - 2012-04-24 12:25

    People - if you have ANY queries about E-Tolling . you should send an email to SANRAL asking for help. But PLEEZE.. don't clog up their Enquiries Dept. unless you have a legit query. Whoohoo

  • mercia.rand - 2012-04-24 12:27

    Do they (SANRAL) realise exactly how the world outside is laughing at us right now? The world is holding its breath to see if this thing is going to turn violent or not. All the shine and glory we built up in 2010 during the FIFA world cup will be lost. We're losing the honour and respect of the world. Why bully innocent commuters, who are already straining under the current financial pressure, even more to pay for roads that were built with tax money long ago. Blegh to SANRAL, I'll use the Gautrain, at least one good thing that came out of the world cup :)

      Jacqui - 2012-04-24 12:39

      Three quarters of the world don't know where South Adrica is and no one cares a fig about South Africa and it's people.

      mercia.rand - 2012-04-24 13:11

      The ones that matter, do... Most Americans don't even know their own country, we're not influenced by them, we're looking at top governments, and they all know South Africa.

  • Bogoshi - 2012-04-24 12:28

    The sooner 2014 comes the better so that we can rectify our past mistakes.

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:35

      Hmm - I wonder if 2014 is not a bit too far off ..... The people have had enough of the corruption and extortion. These proposed tolls will negatively affect every single person in SA via rocketing food and service prices (Apart from the few Fatcats who will personally benefit from tolls). Truly - if I was the President of this country, I would be a very worried man. I might even have put my next marriage on hold, whilst attending to the problems in this country in an effective way. But hey - I am sure our President has his finger on the pulse, and is only doing his very best for all the people of SA. So fear not people. hmmm

      mercia.rand - 2012-04-24 12:38

      Alan, like getting married *again*?

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-24 12:40

      unfortunately the next elections is National and Provincial. I still expect the ANC to win because only Gauteng is directly affected. Damn ANC!

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:47

      @Mhlo .. nah - everybody is going to severly affected by th Tols. Prices are going to rocket for both food and services, and the poorest wil be the worst affected. Hungry people can be dangerous people if the Govt. does not have their needs at heart..

      Marion - 2012-04-24 12:56

      If people in the rest of South Africa think they will not be affected by the eTolls they are mistaken. When food prices start going up they will also feel the pain.

      Bogoshi - 2012-04-24 12:57

      @Alan, we should not expect much from Showerhead, all he is worried about is which wife is he going to be with 2nite. That guy is the worst mistake our country ever had after 1994. Not only the etolls will affect everyone, but mismanagement of the government institutions is really hurting us where it hurt most, the monies lost due to corruption, mismanagement and the rest was supposed to relieve us from the high taxes we're paying. It hurts that you can't even use 50% of your gross salary as it all goes to this corrupt mafias via their stealing mechanisms.

      Shaylene - 2012-04-24 13:17

      @ bogoshi, I agree with you one hundred percent. This is what we have been complaining about for the past few years but everytime we do we get told we are racists. This is not a racial issue the sooner people realise that the better :)

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-04-24 14:20

      Any chance you are starting a new political party with 2014 in mind???? We could sure as hell use new blood in the political arena....

      Bogoshi - 2012-04-24 15:27

      No Antoinette, am not into politicks, however ANC will never get my vote.

  • misswoodcutter - 2012-04-24 12:31

    Sanral is committing day light robbery, Nxa! Not buying their freakin tag. Nxa!

  • Singatha - 2012-04-24 12:32

    Hell no,we are also not ready to fork out hard earned money for this SANRAL extortion toll machine.

  • heinrich.beukes1 - 2012-04-24 12:32

    The next election will be very interesting!

  • Marion - 2012-04-24 12:32

    Strike the application? The only strike I agree with is the one against eToll.

  • Anita - 2012-04-24 12:37

    Really?....Really?... What a shocker! Who would have thought!

  • Herman - 2012-04-24 12:38

    It is me, the consumer who will get tolled for working to make some kind of income, to pay tax, so that this criminal and incompetent anc regime can make it dissapear through corruption. A big middle finger to SANRAL and the anc for this daylight robbery. I will not register and I will not pay for something which the government must provide. Go find the lost billions and use that for your projects, you damn thieves!

  • Anusa - 2012-04-24 12:39

    when we vote we never vote for sanral.so ANC must be carefully that the coming elections they will loose the majority.small stick of matchs can burn the whole house'so e tolling can cost the party too because u are not there for the will of the pple.if ANC are tired or ruling continue with this and u wii see the results.u are digging yr own graves.

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:42

      er - I agree .. i think...

      David - 2012-04-24 13:06

      The ANC thought they would rule till Jesus returns... and then SANRAL stepped in...now it may be over by 2014..shock to them!

      vinny.damoyi - 2012-04-24 14:40

      they really have stepped in the dwang with this one.

  • wbrummer1989 - 2012-04-24 12:44

    "The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas" http://toxinews.blogspot.com/2012/04/sanral-from-australian-newspaper-on.html

  • Rinus - 2012-04-24 12:45

    SANRAL - From an Australian Newspaper on South Africa E-Tolls Email ThisBlogThis!Share to TwitterShare to Facebook "The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

      Lungile - 2012-04-24 12:58

      These guys really got themselves a cash cow in our country neh.

      Alan - 2012-04-24 13:08

      Labola takes a lot of cows...

  • Lungile - 2012-04-24 12:49

    I would regret this day if I was the CEO of SANRAL how the hell do you kick off project implementation if you ddnt do da basics. Enatis was a failure bt Etolling is the worst failure, I feel for Sbu who promised taxis exemption yet that is nt part of legislation. If I was government I would give up, with courts involved this will drag bcoz ground work was nt properly done. Shame for public servants, all your pension was risked badly.

      KATAFRICA - 2012-04-24 13:11

      They promised the taxi's exemption just to keep them quiet so that they could move ahead with their evil plan. They had no intention of keeping their promise.

      Alan - 2012-04-24 13:14

      @KAT - there is big p**p coming from the Taxi's - remember - the ovt. is very scared of Cosatu and the Taxi Assoc. What they say - the Govt. eventually bows to.

      KATAFRICA - 2012-04-24 13:21

      Alan - we can only hope!

      Marion - 2012-04-24 15:43

      @Lungile - The government should be investigated by the Public Protector for investing state employee's pension monies in such a high risk enterprise.

  • TheMonk - 2012-04-24 12:51

    I wonder, is the equipment at the tolls worth more than copper?

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:53

      Well - White Elepahnts have ivory .. and that is worth quite a bit...

  • Harry - 2012-04-24 12:54

    just blow up the gantries.

  • wbrummer1989 - 2012-04-24 12:54

    NEXT STEP....STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE

      Alan - 2012-04-24 12:55

      Strike 1 Strike 2 Strike 3.. whahaa

  • Dale - 2012-04-24 12:58

    Fork Sanral??? Does that meet your approval mr news 24 mod?

      Dale - 2012-04-24 13:09

      And to think my original post had 94 likes and 1 dislike.. Probably the news24 mod.. But they will let racism play... Gonna move on to iol.... Will never click an ad on news24..

  • KATAFRICA - 2012-04-24 13:00

    They can't organize a piss up in a brewery but we must trust them in our bank accounts and with billing. I Think Not!! Thanks OUTA for looking after our interests. NO TOLL GP!!!

      George - 2012-04-24 13:20

      Maybe we must transform OUTA into a political Party, can you imagine how many votes it would get from the ANC? Come now OUTA, lets make this country a better country to live in, including for those E-Toll Idiots who use the ANC as a means of force to get their pockets full. You have my VOTE now, forget the ANC.lets go do this.

  • Gieljam - 2012-04-24 13:03

    WHATS NEW PUZZY CAT lala NEW NEVER ENDING STORY ......

  • Konstabel - 2012-04-24 13:05

    The surname of Sanral's representative is very appropriate. Unterhalter means entertainer in German and his argument is a real joke. I wonder if he is Austrian?

  • barend.wasserman - 2012-04-24 13:08

    Will vehicles from Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland, Lesotho, and all other visitors also face exemption? That is my argument since the beginning. Show me how they are going to enforce the e-tolling on them.

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-04-24 13:15

    You are not above the LAW! WE are the LAW!

  • Fumani - 2012-04-24 13:31

    haybo what's up?

  • adrian.lubbe - 2012-04-24 13:32

    Surprised they are not ready?? NOT AT ALL... Hope it fails...

  • Fumani - 2012-04-24 13:39

    eish, Greedy politicians, won't be surprised in the near future when you'll b required to have a license of cellphone ownership. They're still thinkin bout it you'll hear it soon

  • owen.mathe - 2012-04-24 13:55

    I WILL NOT PAY E TOLL GO F YOURSELFS FAT CATS THINKING BEFORE DOING COUNTS

  • Barry - 2012-04-24 14:07

    The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

  • Adrian - 2012-04-24 14:37

    SCAMRAL can KISS my TOLLGATE

  • Trevor - 2012-04-24 16:15

    Well i am driving my car in public places, I still owe the bank...so in affect it is still the bank`s car....does this not mean that i am still using "public transport"..its not my own transport LOL

  • Gordon - 2012-04-24 17:22

    This etolling system will collapse just like the electricity billing, 20 years in power & can't get it right. People will find ways to evade this system, number plates, shoot the camera's, steal the cable, etc. Anyway, how are they going to recover etolling monies from shoppers & visitors from Africa, most of them come to do their shopping here, how will they get toll fees from them.

      Isabel - 2012-04-25 14:39

      For once I'm on the side of thecable thieves, Gordon. If ever there was a casefor vandalism this is it.

  • Gordon - 2012-04-24 17:34

    Why don't the ANC implement this to their visiting neighbours (Africa) who voted them in power before implementing this to the majority poor south africans Their African counter parts used these roads more than working south africans. While 99% of south africans are at work, these visiting shopers from all over Africa keeps our roads busy during our working time. Why should we pay for these corrupt African's who come here to do their shopping, steal, murder & go back to their torn out countries.

  • Gordon - 2012-04-24 17:39

    WEEL DONE OUTA, KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT

  • Gordon - 2012-04-24 17:41

    Take a month or two to show the faithful south africans that it will work, start this on the people that visit this country from africa.

  • Gordon - 2012-04-24 17:56

    How will it work for people that rent a car?

  • Jayson - 2012-04-24 19:25

    YUCK FOU,,, Sanral!!!!!!!

  • meisiep - 2012-04-24 21:45

    How much more taxes does the Government and Sanral want us to pay? The e-toll should be scrapped. The taxpayers are already paying R6.00 out of every R 10.00 on taxes which is suppose to be for maintenance on roads, hospitals etc. Stop Government officials from racing like lunetics on the highways and being escorted by a army of cars and every one has to clear the highway. what a waste of petrol which the taxpayer has to cover. TO HELL WITH E-TOLL YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS ANYWAY. LOOK AT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND SEE WHAT STATE THE ROADS ARE IN. I rest my case. Is this becoming a second Zimbabwe????????????????????

  • brionyl.french - 2012-04-25 06:26

    Lets take these gantries down!!! Monday with COSATU

  • harry.matlakala - 2012-04-25 07:24

    I reiterate what an email doing the rounds supports. Izinyoka, cable thieves, should do Gautengers a favour and target these gantries instead. I understand there is a lot of copper there. Lol.

      Isabel - 2012-04-25 14:42

      No doubt they are well guarded but they can't be everywhere. Gautrain was stopped a few times by cable thieves. Why not this criminal enterprise? Our police can't even shoot them any more.

  • harry.matlakala - 2012-04-25 07:44

    Like the mail doing the rounds, I also implore Izinyoka to do the community a service. I won't tell.