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Sapu: New top cop appointment insulting

2012-06-13 14:18

Johannesburg - The appointment of a civilian as police commissioner is an insult to the country's police force, the SA Policing Union (Sapu) said on Wednesday.

"We were of the opinion that the president would [have] learnt that non-police officers have not made good national police commissioners," Sapu general secretary Oscar Skommere said in a statement.

"The continued imposition of others in the top SAPS (SA Police Service) office is not only an insult to tens of deserving officers, but it also demoralises them."

President Jacob Zuma announced on Tuesday that business executive Mangwashi Victoria "Riah" Phiyega would replace Bheki Cele as police commissioner.

Willing to work together

Skommere said the SAPS was a "military environment" and it deserved to be kept that way.

However, Sapu would respect Phiyega's appointment and was willing to work with her.

"We also want to state it categorically... that as professionals we are willing to work with whomever is in that office, including the new national police commissioner," he said.

"We call upon all SAPS officers as disciplined men and women in blue to give the new national commissioner the necessary support in her new office."

Corporate sector work

Phiyega currently chairs the presidential state-owned enterprises review committee and is a director at Tsa Rona Investments.

The Polokwane-born executive previously held positions in the corporate sector, including Absa. Prior to that, she served on the boards of Transnet and the Port Management Association of Eastern and Southern Africa.

She was part of the 2010 Soccer World Cup bid committee and received a special award for her work.

The University of Limpopo bestowed a community work leadership award on her.

Phiyega has several tertiary qualifications in business management and social work. She is also known for her community work with women and children.

Comments
  • Sharon - 2012-06-13 14:25

    Insult to what police force, more than crookforce!!

      mukosit - 2012-06-13 14:39

      He(Zuma) was just trying to balance gender and he forgot that security comes first.

      RSole - 2012-06-13 14:39

      Gives you an idea as to the state the force is in if they could not find a competent leader within its ranks.

      dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-13 15:05

      Did you union rats cry foul when the previous two were appointed AND FOUND GUILTY OF CORRUPTION ???

      Anthony - 2012-06-13 15:40

      zuma woman just wondering???

      Bryan - 2012-06-13 16:21

      The police force needs to be run like a business because in current form, it is nothing short of a circus without a ringmaster. Kudos to this woman for having the balls to accept the appointment and hopefully she will bring back some decency and pride into a failing public service.

      Fourhundredkg - 2012-06-13 18:25

      I hear Phiyega is going to Rent-a-Tent for her new police general uniform. Which is ok I suppose. So long as she doesn't rent it from Roux Shibangu.

      Boer - 2012-06-13 23:16

      Wat n grap.

  • Gavin - 2012-06-13 14:30

    this must be the only union in SA that shuts up while the brown stuff is hitting the fan and speaks up when things have actually (hopefully) gotten better....

  • Mark - 2012-06-13 14:34

    Appointing anyone with no Police experience is an absolute insult and disgrace. The Police is there to protect and serve. Accolades in business management and social work is completely different from Police work. Is the president now saying that there is not one capable general in the Police who can serve as a Commissioner?? How did they then become Generals ??

      almeleh - 2012-06-13 14:40

      100%. They should have appointed a policeperson who would then have employed a professional administrator.

      infijar.ken - 2012-06-13 14:50

      What is the point of having a Police Minister, if he has to rely on the President to select his staff?

      Mark - 2012-06-13 15:00

      @Almeleh - the cops are all too corrupt.... that's the problem...

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-06-13 16:11

      Hey Mark, are you saying that Government officials are not corrupt? Cele, Silebi, Zu*Censored* *Censored* *Censored* *Censored* ... Just asking Brother.

  • tammy.laumann - 2012-06-13 14:42

    Perhaps a civilian will get some order into SAPS and cut down on the corruption.

      zaatheist - 2012-06-13 14:53

      Agreed. Perhaps they fear the fact that she is a women and perhaps not corrupt like her predecessors. I am all for an outside appointment and have no problem with a women doing the job. I hope she succeeds.

      Jennifer - 2012-06-13 17:45

      Yes! Give her a chance and lets see what she does. YOU GO GIRL, You can only do better than those other clowns I wish you strength courage and smarts, you're going to need them get rid of the bosluise

  • LindiBleu - 2012-06-13 14:42

    I hope she resuscitates sexual offences units - with rape so rampant, women and children should not be raped again.

  • geeyuu - 2012-06-13 14:43

    is she the new Bheki Cele#just wondering

  • pieter.schoeman.92 - 2012-06-13 14:44

    This country is becoming on big joke

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-06-13 14:46

    Zuma is not in touch with reality. He is indecisive and does not have the slightest idea of putting together the correct team under him. Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi appeared to be on top of things in many ways. Why was he axed then for a replacement without policing experience. It is obvious that Zuma purely places those in his favour and for his own political gain into positions, where they are unqualified and unsuitable for the position, which is entirely an endeavour on his part to create a safe political haven. This country is stuffed…from the top to the bottom!

  • Henry - 2012-06-13 14:46

    This is really an insult and a compromise to the dignity and quality of the national police service. I don't blame the president, it's not him who appoints, fires nor hires. There are some committees within his administration who do that on his behalf and give him some documents to read and announce publicly. The president also has some boss(es) he reports to.

  • Henry - 2012-06-13 14:47

    This is really an insult and a compromise to the dignity and quality of the national police service. I don't blame the president, it's not him who appoints, fires nor hires. There are some committees within his administration who do that on his behalf and give him some documents to read and announce publicly. The president also has some boss(es) he reports to.

  • phumlani.buthelezi2 - 2012-06-13 14:47

    THANKS IT A WOMEN

  • egsaan.adams - 2012-06-13 14:48

    The police needs to be run like a business,henc the appointment of a ex corporate person. It was run like a circus with those clowns before.

  • Refilwe Molefi - 2012-06-13 14:50

    yes she has qualifications thts a good thing but can we not appoint the right people in the right place. This woman will be perfect for the Ministry of woman and children affairs! wht did we expect Pravin Gordon has a degree in pharmacy but he is in Finance??? I am a process engineer should i be a minister of Health oneday?

  • mantsho.tlali - 2012-06-13 14:53

    Zuma does not Think before he acts, what about the people inside police force who have been police for the long time, the same men and women, surely they deserve the opportunity.

  • Glyn - 2012-06-13 14:56

    Choose the best for the job! Choose DA!

  • DanielDennett - 2012-06-13 15:09

    Well looking at so called career cops, they have all failed abysmally. Frankly she's fresh and may be the answer

      mundu.olewega - 2012-06-13 15:47

      Yes, but the minimum should be a law degree to hold this position.

  • Ken - 2012-06-13 15:12

    I have no bad feeling towards the woman herself, she appears to have intelligence and is probably a good person. However a commissioner MUST be drawn from the ranks. Police men and women respect those you have been there and done that. I suspect Phiyega is going to have a very very difficult time.

  • andile.tyhaliti - 2012-06-13 15:13

    I have worked for the SAPS as a civilian for 7 years and what made me quit is that the men in blue are stereo typed in terms of thinking. I never underwent basic training but was guiding the Trainees how to take statement ( 5W's and H). To be a manager in this case of the commissioner one does not need technical skills, hence we have deputy nat commissioners. Management at this level is all about 4 elements i.e Planning, Leading, Organising and Control. It is about the will of whether you are committed to achieve those goals and willing to learn. Can one say with certainty that these dep commissioners will do a much better job than the appointee. Pravin is doing well at Finance while having a degree in Pharmacy, which means his staff knows the job unlike those spineless managers at SAPS who comply and complain later. Not so long ago there were complaints regarding the appointment of Mkhwanazi but today we sing a different tune. South African leaders will keep on failing because we sit on our luarels and point fingers.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-06-13 15:22

      Well said, Andile.

  • andile.tyhaliti - 2012-06-13 15:13

    I have worked for the SAPS as a civilian for 7 years and what made me quit is that the men in blue are stereo typed in terms of thinking. I never underwent basic training but was guiding the Trainees how to take statement ( 5W's and H). To be a manager in this case of the commissioner one does not need technical skills, hence we have deputy nat commissioners. Management at this level is all about 4 elements i.e Planning, Leading, Organising and Control. It is about the will of whether you are committed to achieve those goals and willing to learn. Can one say with certainty that these dep commissioners will do a much better job than the appointee. Pravin is doing well at Finance while having a degree in Pharmacy, which means his staff knows the job unlike those spineless managers at SAPS who comply and complain later. Not so long ago there were complaints regarding the appointment of Mkhwanazi but today we sing a different tune. South African leaders will keep on failing because we sit on our luarels and point fingers.

  • Lee - 2012-06-13 15:13

    Had I known there was no criteria I could have applied as well. If it did not work it would take years to get rid of me and I would earn a nice salary while sitting on my butt at home

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-13 15:14

    Mixed feelings - She has excellent credentials, and at that level management is management. However, I also think a Police Commissioner with years of service experience would have a huge advantage over someone that hasn't had this experience. Policemen/women, like any armed force have their own 'esprit de core' and loyalty to their flag, recognition and respect for past achievements, years of service etc, and without that I believe one can be at a bit of a disadvantage. Perhaps then not the best choice, but I don't believe it's all bad either.

  • Peter - 2012-06-13 15:14

    Give her a fair chance. At least she does not wear stupid hats like Cele did.

  • monique.jackson0 - 2012-06-13 15:14

    The police service in the country is a joke and corrupt! Remember the girl in JHB who was RAPED by police officers??????? I think the appointment of a business and educated leader (irrespective of gender) was one of the best things Zuma has ever done. Let's see what she does. Maybe the police service might gain back the respect and the confidence of the nation!!!!!! TOKYO FOR PRESIDENT.

  • Joy - 2012-06-13 15:14

    It insult the police indeed, what is the use to hold qualification and exprience in policing like Mkwanazi when this opportunity arrive they axed you? Zuma run this country like tuck shop, he undermine and discourange loyal police officer in there career. Everyone is looking for a growth in each an every work place, but in saps chances are very slim to go in top when you are not politically connected. Shower must reshuffle himself as deputy minister of agriculture. finish n klaar,

  • justing888 - 2012-06-13 15:22

    it beggars belief that sapu says it is an insult - regarding the new police chief. why were they so silent with the previous two police chiefs that brought the police service into so much disrepute through corrupt practises. does the union want corruption & lawlessness amongst its ranks to the order of the day or are they willing to knuckle down and be part of the solution. Lets see what the new chief is made - she deserves as much support as possible.

  • vic.hammond.75 - 2012-06-13 15:23

    For once I agree with Sapu, but what are they going to do about it? Maybe mass action by the whole police force would be fitting. They cannot fire all of them.

  • Walter - 2012-06-13 15:25

    Alicia, what does Victoria-Phiyega know about police work? I'm sure that they could have found a woman with adequate experience within the ranks. Except perhaps for a few towns in the US of A, virtually every country in the world has the leader of their police forces promoted from within the ranks. Imagine a politician leading an army into battle!!! God forbid!

  • E=MC2 - 2012-06-13 15:26

    "We call upon all SAPS officers as disciplined men and women in blue" hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Give me a break!

  • johann.visser.98 - 2012-06-13 15:30

    let the police go on strike viva viva, how how,or is it house house.......jip our goverment is a joke I agree get someone that has militiry experience People stop voting for ANC idiots get with the program they have no intention of improving this country.

  • Matthew - 2012-06-13 15:33

    They should'nt have Hired a Civilian And They Shouldnt have Hired a police officer Who they should've Hired was,a retired Recce or General from the Days that our SADF was a force to be reckoned with!!! The police force is corrupt and falling to peices We need a man/woman of dicipline,integrity,honour and determination Some one from the army from the old days. Someone who actually has moral values and actually wants the police force to uphold the law.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-13 15:54

      Good point, but there are as many experienced/retired/senior members or ex-members as good as any SADF General. Police work is substantially different to military work, and some departments also require some serious academic qualifications. Furthermore, many of those old timers saw as much action as anyone in the SADF. In those days it was a para military force, and the old SAP 'conventional combat' track record was actually of a very high standard and highly acclaimed. A few good books out there tell the story... As for the police force today - what a tragedy.

  • Winifred - 2012-06-13 15:45

    Nothing against this laldy because I have never heard of her. Zuma should know that busines management and social and community work is hardly a job that he has appointed her for. Why cant a suitable person be found in the police force, surely they all cant be corrupt. Maybe he should rather have put her in place of the basic education minister maybe that would have been better, Eishm she is going to have to grow some b-lls to sort that little lot out. Now our police force and defence force all run by woman. Zuma, you are going to get tongues wagging if you carry on, you have a reputation.

  • jan.henning.14 - 2012-06-13 15:45

    Mr Zuma probably had trouble finding a loyal 'top-cop' for the position.

  • Johan - 2012-06-13 15:49

    Yeh, another social worker to get the police force right. What a joke. Is going to council the criminals now? It shows that our dear president has only his own interests in mind.

  • Rob - 2012-06-13 15:51

    Sky News today showed an item about Diepsloot residents dealing with suspected criminals themselves rather than calling the police. SA was shown as a primitive and disfunctional society where the police have no credibility. Good luck madam, you have a challenge on your hands and the politics and gender issues will make it more difficult.

  • judith.taylor.56 - 2012-06-13 15:53

    SAPU should have objected two appointments ago - but at least they have now woken up

  • Shellerjc - 2012-06-13 15:55

    LOl Watch this now - More woman in the SAPS - LOl its going to go from funny to CRACK ASS FUNNY - Police vans will be painted with animal prints

  • ntsanen - 2012-06-13 16:01

    I total don't understand our President, isn't it there a person in the police force, who has experience??

  • Shellerjc - 2012-06-13 16:08

    POlice vans will now be painted with animal print

  • rikhoula.joy - 2012-06-13 16:09

    What i dont like is when u have a Horticulture qualification, and then you go and employed as an Engineer, what the heck

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-13 17:45

      A lot of people will miss the wisdom in your words, rikhoula.joy. Not only is this less efficient, but also, knowledge is wasted. This kind of appointment only benefits one - the person and / or organisation who did the appointment. In this case - Zuma and the ANC.

  • Billy - 2012-06-13 16:20

    well then flippen hell man, this should then be a joint appointment or something. you NEED someone with RELEVANT experience for the position. she might have excellent managing skills, yes bravo. but that is HALF of the requirement. i would expect a police chief to know and understand the law inside out. understand criminals(criminology qualification), understand what its like out on the street as an officer, from experience. how will she know how much to allocate where if she does not understand/know the basics of policing and the behavior of criminals or the needs of departements and police officers in different areas. will she be working off statistics?? lol.. stats...

  • antin.herinck - 2012-06-13 16:27

    Almost a self-contradiction: that the president would [have] learnt that non-police officers have not made good national police commissioners. And \\not only an insult to tens of deserving officers, but it also demoralises them, VS: Sapu would respect Phiyega's appointment and was willing to work with her. How do insulted and demoralised cops work with a non-police officer, that does not make a good commissioner?????

  • chris.lang.581 - 2012-06-13 16:32

    Now it's a 'Military environment'. SAPS were demilitarising the police force when the ANC tok over government, and along came Bheki Cele, who saw fit to give himself a General's status. Look out, this is the thin edge of the wedge!

  • Martin - 2012-06-13 16:35

    right now police union, none of your members can be trusted, i would give the position to a burger flipper over a cop, hope this lady shows em. at least we know her chances of mal maladministration are slimmer than herdsman cele, oooh think il swollow those words, zuma appointed her based on his keen sense of character

  • Marius De Beer - 2012-06-13 16:35

    To get your head around even just the basics of policing and criminal justice you need qualifications and experience in the Criminal Procedure Act, the Law on Criminal Procedure and Evidence, Investigation of Crime etc. These are very socialised skills which you don't acquire working for ABSA or Transnet. Two previous civilian political appointments failed dismally at this position in the past, but yet they don't learn. What better could we expect from a president without a formal education.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-13 16:58

    Of course it is insulting. And stupid. This shows up the narrowmindedness of the Political Party System and all those whose participate in that silly game. What loyalty can this commissioner expect from SAPS staff? Where will her own loyalty lie? As with all other disciplines, I feel it will be much more effective if the leader is chosen by the fraternity itself. The President can still do the appointment, but the candidate should be recommended by the fraternity. In this case, the law and order fraternity.

  • antin.herinck - 2012-06-13 17:30

    For those who wish to find out more how our brand new General \thinks\, read: http://bow2011.mg.co.za/essays/women-determining-the-future-a-challenge-to-my-sisters/ (If you can read it. I DARE YOU!)

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-06-13 17:51

    is this woman going to get a uniform with some pips and medals ala Idi Amin. This is a joke!

  • shireen.abbas - 2012-06-13 17:51

    How does someone get it right to first insult then compliment at the same time ??

      Ditoa-re - 2012-06-13 20:19

      That is how a dissapointed profesional respond MADAM abbas

  • Willie - 2012-06-13 18:42

    An impressive CV but looking at leading, and successful police forces in the world, it is my conviction that the impressive CV lacks training at the highest level in crime prevention, etc. that senior police officers must undergo to qualify for appointment in the position of officer commanding

  • eddie.debeer1 - 2012-06-13 19:08

    It is a shame that JZ has not learned or heard from the foot solders who go out without equipment to forensic scenes. Have labs that are falling apart or equipment not working. Management staff in the saps that have to resend members who failed already twice with marks of between 0 to 30%. Not understanding the environment of the police force(oops service) will not assist the commissioner to apply solutions to get the saps right to combat crime. Their are literally hundreds of well deserving Senior Mambers that have the solutions that could fill this position to meaningfull end. Go JZ keep up the good work. LOL