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Satanic ritual accused a flight risk - judge

2011-11-21 21:13

Johannesburg - Two of the five young men accused of setting alight two girls in a suspected Satanic ritual were denied bail on Monday.

The Johannesburg Magistrate's Court found that Robin Harwood, 18, and Harvey Isha, 23, could produce no exceptional circumstances for bail, as required for schedule six offences by the Criminal Procedures Act.

Magistrate Andre Peterson said their affidavits did not reveal "something substantially out of the ordinary" to qualify for bail.

Harwood's application was based on the fact he would need to write year-end exams.

Isha's application was based on the fact he suffered from Sickle Cell disease, a recessive genetic blood disorder, and would need special medical care.

"Applicant one [Harwood] is a troubled child... who has given false addresses to the police and hasn't been in school since September 16," Peterson said.

"I am not convinced that he has even remotely shown exceptional circumstances and therefore his bail is refused."

Refugee


As for Isha, Peterson said he was a flight risk, despite being a recognised refugee from the Democratic Republic of Congo.

He said there was no indication that he had fixed assets to keep him in the country.

He also concluded that it was not necessary for Isha to be out on bail in order to receive special medical care.

Isha could apply for relevant treatment and a special diet if needed while in custody, he said.

Both would remain in custody until their appearance on Wednesday.

They would appear alongside Lindon Wagner, 21, Lester Moody, 18, and Jeremy King, 18.

A sixth accused, a 16-year-old girl, would also appear.

The court would decide on Wednesday if the trial would be postponed for further investigation or be moved to the South Gauteng High Court.

Kirsty Theologo, 18, died in the Chris Hani Baragwanath Hospital a week after being doused with petrol and set alight on a koppie behind the Linmeyer swimming pool in Julius Street on October 21.

A 14-year-old friend of hers was also burnt, but she survived. The six youths are charged with murder and attempted murder.

Not guilty plea


Earlier, Harwood said in an affidavit he intended to plead not guilty to the charges, despite having made an alleged confession to the police following his arrest.

In her argument against bail, State prosecutor Colleen Ryan said Harwood clearly had no respect for authority.

His mother, Deidre Moses, had confirmed on the stand that he stayed away from school and was suspended for smoking dagga while on school premises.

"There was no such control in the past, what is the likelihood he will exercise such control in the future?" Ryan asked the court.

She said the crimes against the girls showed a horrifying degree of violence.

"To have the audacity to set one or two of your friends alight, people that you have known... the applicants clearly have a disposition of violence."

Peterson said both men were over the age of 18 and therefore fully aware of the repercussions of their behaviour.

He said their age would not exclude them from the possibility of life imprisonment, the sentence handed down for similar cases in the past.

Comments
  • Marius - 2011-11-21 22:15

    sad to see no comments.excellent magistrate and news reporting.this is really a case to be watched considering the abductions as well happening in s.a. at present.thank you Mr Peterson, we will be following the case with interest.

      alansmartSnr - 2011-11-21 22:28

      Sad !! very sad indeed. I think that they will get what's coming to them. Pity they are not pleading insanity. The result then could be that they get a P.P. verdict (President's Pleasure) which means they will spend the rest of their lives in a looney bin amongst mentally disturbed people. That is worse than a live sentence.

  • Chabi - 2011-11-21 22:30

    Good decision Judge... they have Broomriding skills these wizards, flight risk they are !!!

  • Fred - 2011-11-22 05:19

    This is an awful story with another misleading headline. It should be "Religious ritual accused a flight risk" as there is no difference between any of the the other religious death cults, Christianity, Islam, etc., and worshiping someone called Satan who is in fact a product of these religions. These people were brainwashed as kids t believe in talking snakes, donkeys and bushes, people flying through the air and walking on water, murderous gods, evil women and demons. They just take these crazy fantasies one step further and act them out with disastrous consequences. Look at the Christian communion; drinking the blood and eating the flesh of the imaginary Jeebus. Pure occult stuff.

      Wally - 2011-11-22 06:19

      Fred, I don't know ur background. I was not brainwashed. I am thankful to God Almighty for the loving parents He gv me & that they taught me about Christ. There IS a heaven and a hell. Ppl may deny it. There r ppl who admit there is a heaven but will not accept there is a hell as they do not want to believe or think about that thought. Christ's name was Jesus - not Jeebus. He was not imaginary...there is more written about His life on earth, more proof, than about Napoleon or any other so-caled great in human history. He did live and die on the cross @ Calvary - @ Golgotha - it was a Roman institution @ the time & place of execution. Know what Fred, although u deny Christ, He died on that cross 4 u too. He oves u & does not want u to spend eternity in hell. Christians do not drink blood or eat flesh. We eat a piece of bread as reminder of His body that was physically damaged and broken; we drink wine as a reminder of the blood that flowed on that cross for u and me. Plz do not confuse religion with the act of accepting Christ & living out His will 4 ur life. Ppl within churches & religions r just ppl and may disappoint. I hv experienced the work of God & the love of Christ & the presence of the Holy Spirit in my life & it is wonderful. Christ does not inspire me 2 kill, become hypnotized, act out violently. 2 b a Christian is a way of life, not a religion. The world is ruled by satan - hence these monstrous acts. It is he who will destroy. Meet Jesus, Fred, find peace. Shalom

      Fred - 2011-11-22 08:35

      I love the thumbs down when you ask for proof for gods. They obviously have none.

      Shawn - 2011-11-22 08:52

      @Fred, I pray for your eyes to open . . . satans greatest deceit, is to convince man that he does not exist, as for proving anything, you "appear" to be educated, get a dictionary and look up the word FAITH.

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 08:56

      Fred- You are a myth- prove yourself. I can assure you that you will have no influence on any born again, Holy Spirit baptized child of God who is in a personal relationship with Him. I am married for 34 yrs and you have a better chance to convince me that my wife is a myth, and that is no chance, than Jesus, my Lord and Saviour. Its clear that you are not merely satisfied to reject Jesus, you are satannically(and that of course you will deny)inspired and in a hate driven campaign against Him. I dont know you and I dont know what you are involved in, but invariably, there is a reason for that. I was involved with darkness, and I could not even tolerate the name of Jesus, and that was because of the lier who controlled me. And I actually believed that it was my "intelligence"

      Fred - 2011-11-22 08:56

      @Shawn Hoo boy, another one praying for me. I wonder if you really will go down of you knees to whisper to the your God to do something about me. What exactly are you going to beg this God to do? I would be most interested to know.

      Fred - 2011-11-22 08:58

      BTW Shawn Faith - haha|! Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence. - Richard Dawkins Faith means not wanting to know what is true. - Friedrich Nietzsche What can you do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy? - George Orwell The best way to see Faith is to shut the eye of Reason. - Benjamin Franklin Faith is believing something you know ain't true." - Mark Twain

      DanielDennett - 2011-11-22 09:04

      Fred you are getting the stock standard response from the god squad

      Fred - 2011-11-22 09:07

      @DanielDennett and are they not good for a couple of laughs.

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 09:09

      Fred- Jesus actually did die for you and He does love you (something I would find difficult to explain) but the fact of the matter is that He does not need us.He gives us a free choice. His word however is very clear: Share the word with others, but do not get drawn into arguments- its your choice. But it does say that we should not cast the pearls (the word) before the pigs- the non-believing blasphemer who wants to make a mockery out of it. God does not need to prove Himself to you or anyone- you have an inflated opinion of yourself. Oh yes, He does, once a person personally knows Him, but He first requires a step of faith from us

      DanielDennett - 2011-11-22 09:19

      Dirk not all of us share your particular delusion...extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof of which you have none.

      Fred - 2011-11-22 10:23

      @Dirk For you to sound just the teeniest bit convincing you are going to have to convince me that the jeebus guy ever existed. Oh, and the existence of you god as well. I have been waiting a long time for this evidense so am excited at the propect of your response.

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 10:49

      Fred- Struggling with reading? I have absolutely no intention of trying to convince you of anything. Gods word says that I should not cast the Pearls (his word) before the pigs (thats you) God does not need you or I - stop flattering yourself

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 11:03

      Fred for President !

      Martin - 2011-11-22 11:59

      Dirk, Fred needs a change of attitude, as do the other God deniers around here.

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 13:05

      @Martin , the blind leading the blind. How can you make life choices made for you 2 thousand years ago ? I am not a God denier , he denied himself by staying hidden !

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-11-22 13:58

      ok Fred - as a fairly logical person, which I assume you believe yourself to be, ask yourself this question: what is my risk if i am wrong? I know the worst that can happen to me if i am wrong is your best case scenario... Second, the Bible ( not the various churces interpretation of the Bible) provides a very good rule book for life if you follow it. Third, every human being from the most primitve to the most sophisticated has hard wired in us the need for the belief in something. Even if it is science, sport, stock markets, whatever. Ask yourself why humans have that drive for belief? Your question about not believing in something you can see, touch smell... whatever -Therefore you don't believe in gravity? Finally - if you hit your thumb with a hammer, do you shout ' oh, random fluctautions in the space-time continuum? ' lol

      Joanne - 2011-11-22 14:54

      Hi Fred, I am not going to get drawn into your arguments on this topic although being a Christian, I genuinely feel for you - please, I am not being facetious, or indifferent! What happened to you? Who on earth has hurt you to the degree that you disassociate and dance on the periphery of this thing called life. You can choose to respond to me like all your other posts, or you can look deep into yourself and back on your life and give me some perspective on who you are and why you have become such. I had a particularly poor upbringing - to the point that I could have got away with murder and literally blamed it on my past... I am not going to shove anything down your throat, but please try and see that there is good and evil - look around you, read the headlines. Try and see that as Christians, we do face persecution, we do face insults, we do face many adverse responses. However, as parents have to teach their children, Christians have a duty to tell people about God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit. We are but human and more often than not get it totally wrong and probably end up offending people - I am truly sorry if this was your experience! But if just one person shows you unconditional love and acceptance, please see this as something of God as this is how He intended for us to be. Unfortunately evil does preside over this world and God cannot do anything as He is a God of His word - and unless His people pray, he is powerless!

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 15:11

      @frans.visserdsb Why do Christian's belief that they are superior to everything ? Plants , animals , atheists this is probably the root of most troubled Christians problems , they just know that they are better so already have the wrong attitude. If humans have souls and go to heaven then surely animals do as-well but not so according to the bible. You tell us that believing a possible lie all your life is better than taking off your blinkers and just living . ( And by living I noway mean crime or violence ) I'm glad I didn't get the gene that hardwires me to believe in a supernatural God like the rest of you religious folk ? I don't have a belief its more of a thirst , knowledge truly is power and with out a passion for change or self betterment, I can see why people would "settle" for religious fulfillment. (Its appears constant) And more than happy that I don't deal with the various Churches interpretations of the Bible , I mean it must be hard enough and now the word of God is ambiguous! Was he dyslexic or the were the people entrusted with the word of God dyslexic ? I know it was just lost in translation , but why would something from an all knowing creature like God need to be translated ? We will just comprehend , a divine language everyone would understand. I like the gravity comment , awesome , so you don't believe in galaxies? Or you don't see air so how can it exist. Dude this is why science is so important!

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-11-22 15:46

      @ Jody If you read my profile, you would see that I am an engineer, and I do believe in gravity, as well as all other laws of nature. My comment was aimed at Fred who says he does not believe in anything he cannot physically see, touch or smell. Now if you have been following what has been happening in Switzerland, you will know that scientists have found particles that apparently move faster than light. Also the nature of gravity is still not clear in the GUT - which is why i made the comment. We cannot -yet- fit the nature of gravity into the Grand Unified Theory - but we all believe in it. As for believing we are better than others - there you are so wrong. Atheism in itself is a belief - and you are fully entitled to believe whatever you want to believe, or not. I was one too - probably more of an agnostic. But then you open your mind and start to think - even the most primitive race on the planet, never been visited by anybody, totally isolated - pray to a rock. or a tree. Why is that? To an extent is may be a case of yearning for immortality, but i believe the difference between humans and animals (or machines) is more than just the passing the Turing test. So, as I said, you believe what you want to, I will believe what I want to. I just know the consequences of my being wrong is nowhere as bad as the consequences if you are wrong...

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 15:57

      @frans.visserdsb I get it only pretending to be ignorant to bate Fred , OK I get it ! So tell me , what does the Bible say about believing in a lie ? Isn't it hell and damnation ? Or do you just stone your son to death for lying ?

  • Preshen - 2011-11-22 07:54

    what do Satanist say when they have an organism?

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 11:23

      pardon ?

      Deon - 2011-11-22 13:38

      Lucifor?

  • wesley.simpkins - 2011-11-22 08:21

    great decision making on the courts behalf. inhuman acts such as this should be dealt with in the strictest possible form.

  • Warwick - 2011-11-22 08:56

    Put this filth away forever. Stick them in the darkest prison cell. As for the so called "refugee" from the DRC, he can get brilliant treatment in jail just like Shabir Shaik got. I mean he was dying and is now the epitomy of good health, which proves that treatment in prison is excellent. Is this how this "refugee" thanks this country by coming here and commiting murder and then expecting some sort of compassion.

  • Angela - 2011-11-22 09:14

    Guys , why are you not teaching your children about Jesus Christ . Look now what is going on .

      Shafick - 2011-11-22 09:21

      Expect a barrage of reasons why not...the atheists have the daggers out.

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 11:06

      Rather educate children to think logically , find proof , question what you are given and not just blindly follow because your scared of burning for eternity.... Heaven and hell is hear on earth , it just depends what you create for yourself !

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 11:33

      HEAR on earth? Take note! You have a hell(sic) of surprise waiting for you- guarenteed

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 11:56

      @Dirk and I bet jeebus helps you spell correctly ? I wish I could be there when you realize that there is no God ! And all along the Bible has been evil leading the weak to give there money away... There is only one way to describe a religion that creates fear in its ranks , believe or spend eternity burning in hell ... Only one thing creates fear .... EVIL !?! You must have gone to heaven's gates and hell's flames ?

      Martin - 2011-11-22 12:42

      Jody, you made the same spelling mistake. Hypocrite!

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 13:10

      @martin. mistake or on purpose ? A Hypocrite is a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. What evidence have you that , I'm a Hypocrite , Hypocrite ? Didn't jeebus teach you anything ? Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged! Let Him Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone! Dude your not winning here !

  • Alex - 2011-11-22 10:21

    Geeze guys this Fred dude is posting the same thing on every story that even smells like it has religious content. He's bored and lonely. Stop letting him stir the pot. Every minute you're wasting on him is a minute you could have spent praying for the victims and their families. People who are actually worth all your emotions.

      Fred - 2011-11-22 10:53

      Hello Alex Not really, very busy actually but I simply cannot resist a bit of occaisional amusement seeing all the sky fairy believers wriggle when you question their 'faith' and ask for evidence. Perhaps you can help in that department. You know, put up or .........

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 11:31

      I couldn't resist either .... Still waiting for my message from God to prove he's around !

      DanielDennett - 2011-11-22 11:31

      Praying, the most self indulgent act known to man ...now that's a waste of time

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 11:38

      And I am sure you believe in a big bang and believing that life began with ??? Talk about fairies!

      Fred - 2011-11-22 11:51

      Hey Dirk And your considered explanation is?????

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 12:13

      @Dirk I can't talk for Fred but its better to believe in something that makes common sense , can be viewed , touched , seen and smelt. Than believing in book that can be interpreted in many ways and not based on reality.... I believe in human ingenuity , science , hard work and dedication ... Not follow me and your after life will forever in complete bliss ... The bible was for the time it was written not 2 thousand years later , when we are educated and free thinking(some of us , not u). I'm against any oppression even religious ones... What is the benefit of keeping sheep , sheep ? Keeping people in the dark about scientific facts over bible facts is an oppressive act. Fact the bible has changed over time , please explain how the word of God can be interpreted in more than one way and can change over time ? The word of God should be absolute not have more than one meaning...

      Martin - 2011-11-22 12:47

      Agree, Alex. We should just ignore them until they realise they're wasting their own time.

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 13:24

      If you are unable to read, get someone to do it for you

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 13:53

      @Dirk if you are unable to think for yourself maybe you should read the bible more ? Or is that the problem in the first place ?

  • Barry - 2011-11-22 11:49

    @FRED please if you dont know your facts please dont comment on religious "asumption" the blood and flesh of Christ was metaphorical, He paid for OUR sins by means of crusifiction hence the Blood And Flesh, we drink wine and break bread in HIS honour for giving us the chance at redeeming our lives so that we ma not suffer the everlasting death, id like to see you give your life to someone as disbelieving as you!. your comment is ofensive and reportable, please refrain from ofending people and stay on topic.

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 12:27

      Typical response from someone who doesn't have a decent argument ? If the bible is your only proof , shame on you ! Its interesting when stating an opinion is seen as offending people , but believing in the imaginary is seen as the norm ? Fred's challenge is yet to be met ! Where is your proof of God , jeebers and the wholly Ghost ? Is the answer hidden in the bible ? Maybe the latter day saints have it right .... After all the bible isn't the main book used for worship by the mormons ! Believe what you want but you can't stop other's from learning the truth ! God was an alien from another planet not an all creator that's invisible.

      Martin - 2011-11-22 12:58

      Jody, why do you always expect humans to prove the existence of God? Ask God with an open mind (not a prejudiced mind) to prove himself to you. Read the Bible with an open mind, not a prejudiced mind. I want to emphasise: CHANGE OF ATTITUDE NEEDED.

      Fred - 2011-11-22 13:00

      I keep asking for religious facts. I am still waiting .............. Why doesn't your God just show himself to all humanity? That would end the argument once and for all. Why does he let his devout followers embarrass themselves with horrible arguments like this? There's an obvious answer. Hint: the not-detectable and the nonexistent look very similar. You cannot prove that your god exists, You cannot know for certain that your revelation is trust worthy and you have to eventually admit that your beliefs are entirely a faith position, unsupported by any evidence whatsover. You believe because others told you what to believe. You may claim the contrary, but then you are simply speaking from within a deep seated delusion. Now put up the evidence or go away and pray!

      Dirk - 2011-11-22 13:26

      OK Fred, you have now convinced me that you cannot read

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 13:42

      @Martin because I'd only be talking to myself. If you need a deity in your daily life by all means , waste it on faith ? If you want reality go out there and find it , but for most its much easier to follow the trends.... What ever happened to not needing anything that God couldn't provide ? Now with medical care , modern drugs , technology people still think everything is miraculously provided by God. The biggest secret kept by all religions is that they are wrong ? But please I ask again , prove me wrong .... I don't mind , show me proof that God is not just in your sub-conscious and when you pray you are only communicating with yourself !

  • ashleighkeyser - 2011-11-22 12:49

    its so good to see that these animals have not been allowed bail. How dare they suggest they have to write year end exams when they took away the possibility of Kirsty Theologie ever writing exams or finishing school. I hope these monsters rot in hell for what they did!

  • Gail - 2011-11-22 13:53

    These two violent creatures should never get bail or be allowed parole or even special diets and medical treatment for the so-called refugee with sickle cell anaemia. Let him die as he should have done before he was granted refugee status from DRC. Why must SA'ns pay for sick scum like these? I hope Papa deals with them in jail and teaches them some real discipline.

  • Gail - 2011-11-22 14:17

    Sometimes those who are waiting for an answer are asking for something they do not need or are not listening when God does answer. Secondly has anyone ever noticed that devil is just lived spelled backwards. Most Bible bashers know very little of what is written in the Word and need to study it precept by precept by using the word to interpret the word. Sadly it is humans who misrepresent and misinterpret what the Bible really is. It is a condensed book of the history of mankind with advice on how to deal with life and from the word go you had a choice whether to take this advice or not. It also shows mercy and forgiveness through the blood and sacrifice of Jesus and there is archaeological proof of JC having existed as well as other events/places in the Holy Book. I don't concern myself with heaven and hell whatever comes after death will not happen to my body but the breath which leaves at the moment of death so I don't fear death.If you truly do not believe in anything then be sure your next of kin do not have a memorial service for you in any sanctified building. Let them just toss your body out with the garbage. At least nature will know how to deal with your rotting flesh.

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-22 15:33

      @Gail awesome post. What we need is more free thinking individuals. But I would say cremation has a more respectful tone than "Let them just toss your body out with the garbage" . Its clear you still show disdain for someone who doesn't believe in God and that in itself is a shame!

  • Glen - 2012-01-17 14:14

    Let them rot in hell!!!!

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