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Selebi still getting state pension

2012-05-31 08:48

Johannesburg - Corruption-convicted former police commissioner, Jackie Selebi, is still receiving a state pension and medical aid, according to a report on Thursday.

Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa revealed this while responding to a written question from the Democratic Alliance in Parliament, The Star newspaper reported.

Selebi's employment contract was simply allowed to lapse in August 2009, instead of him being dishonourably discharged. This meant he still receives a "huge, fat pension and medical aid", DA MP Dianne Kohler Barnard said.

Selebi lost his appeal against a corruption conviction in the Supreme Court of Appeal in December.

He is currently serving a 15-year jail term, but has been in and out of hospital with kidney problems.

Comments
  • Marius Koen - 2012-05-31 08:56

    Birds of a feather stick together. This zoo called the ANC is full of very colorfull birds.

      Nkululeko - 2012-05-31 09:25

      @Swapie, can't you just talk about Selebi and not ANC, because, ANC never authorised any payment for Selebi, but Government officialls do so. Not every member of ANC is in government. I understand that you gonna say ANC is leading the government, but it is NOT the ANC that decides about the Pensions and Medical Aid for goverment employees.

      andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-05-31 09:32

      If you call Black colourful? YES !!

      John - 2012-05-31 09:39

      @ Nkulileko... One and the same boet.... The leaders of the ANC are the leaders of the government... Same people... different outfit.

      anthro45 - 2012-05-31 09:41

      Nkululeko, I think you must look again. All government department heads are instated by the Anc. These department heads must see to their departments. End of story. And yes, the government is the Anc and the Anc is the government. Unfortunaly, most of them are stupid, unemployable and corrupt, but are there because of their connections with the Anc and the colour of their skin. And sadly, most of their IQ's start with a comma.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-31 11:23

      Nku - ever heard the term 'cadre deployment'? It is offficial ANC policy... putting comrades in senior government positions...

  • Squeegee - 2012-05-31 08:57

    Incredible.

  • indianajohn - 2012-05-31 09:00

    Quite unbelievable.

  • Phumi - 2012-05-31 09:01

    The DA does not have a heart! The least we can do for a dying old man who gave his all for this country including the DA is what is due to him! Selebi might have err in his ways but that does not justify us having to rob him of his entire life's fortune! Besides what is R 167 000 after all that he took from his freind and not from the tax payer?

      indianajohn - 2012-05-31 09:04

      lol

      christo.stone - 2012-05-31 09:06

      He is a criminal. Criminals deserve NOTHING!

      gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-31 09:07

      Selebi was facing charges of corruption relating to up to R1.2 million he allegedly received from various people in return for favours, including controversial “businessman” Glenn Agliotti.\r\n\r\nThe sooner he dies the better. He should stop fighting his ill health and just go.

      Curry - 2012-05-31 09:14

      @Phumi - in some ways I do agree with your point. There are criminals in SA that are convicted of FAR worse crimes that get off completely or with much lighter sentences. If we look at this case in isolation I say that I hope his case will deter others BUT if we look at it in the legal context of all of SA he has been very hard done by.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-31 09:15

      Phumi... I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic...otherwise there is no hope for the human race...

      pws69 - 2012-05-31 09:17

      Actually, I'm still waiting for him to pay back the R11 MILLION in legal fees, so it is not R167,000-00 is it? More importantly, just how many violent crimes did he allow to happen by warning his criminal friends of impending police action? For all we know he facilitated murder.

      gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-31 09:37

      He betrayed the trust of millions of south Africans for the sake of his own greed. This seems to be the ANC unwritten policy .

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-31 09:49

      There is nothing corrupt about him receiving his pension, read the article it clearly states that his contact lapsed, hence he wasn’t fired so he deserves his pension anyway! If Tony Leon is on the gvt payroll then Selebi deserves a bonus

      Bryan - 2012-05-31 09:51

      Hey phumi... The tooth fairy is real too:-)

      gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-31 10:03

      Lerato , you slightly dim, he should of been fired like any other criminal citizen. Instead the ANC deliberately left his contract to expire to extort public funds for this decrepit thief. Are all ANC members as blind as you Lerato.

      rbphiri - 2012-05-31 10:46

      Ladies and gentlemen on your far left we have Phumi, exhibit A, yes! A for @ssh0le. This is the first successfully cloned human excrement. I know most of you are finding it hard to decipher or comprehend the gibberish this excrement is uttering, but in simple layman's term its merely stating something along the lines of sh*t, hopefully through medical advances we can successfully clone a brain for the speciement.

      Loo - 2012-05-31 11:34

      OM..F . .were condoning corruption now Phumi ... Look ,, the man did a lot MORE than just steal 167 000 .. AND he was the POLICE CHIEF FOR PETES SAKE.. the ONE that is supposed to the HEAD crime fighter.. JUST for that cut his nuts off I say

      Omrisho - 2012-05-31 12:49

      @ Loo... head of interpol at the time, insult to injury if you ask me

      Gerhard - 2012-05-31 13:44

      Corruption avoids taxes for instance. So the bastards are stealing frpom everybody.

      infijar.ken - 2012-05-31 15:32

      Gerhard, he was Head of Interpol -Africa Desk. Nuff said,

  • Shellerjc - 2012-05-31 09:02

    AKA - We are paying for him to sit on his backside.

      Gerhard - 2012-05-31 09:20

      I don't see your point? We pay all of our politicians to sit on their backsides, don't we? At least Selebi is in jail and can't hold parties, charter planes, buy stuff on the government credit card, buy new cars, etc, etc.

      rbphiri - 2012-05-31 10:48

      Trust me after they done with him in jail, he won't have a backside.

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-31 09:02

    What's new. ANC feeding their thieving cadres out of the mouths of the poor. Zuma must step down , enough is enough.

  • Herman - 2012-05-31 09:02

    For a lot of communists, the anc sure LOVES money

  • Keith - 2012-05-31 09:02

    HAHAHA ANC can't even get simple Admin right and you want to run a country.

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-05-31 09:02

    WTF??????????????????????/ come on some one do something please..... this has got to stop. There are starving children in our country SA and a convicted person is still getting paid. I wish that anc will come to thier senses now

  • Hannes Truter - 2012-05-31 09:03

    Please ask the Spear to get upset about this in the same manner as he handled the Spear-artist!!!!

  • Piet - 2012-05-31 09:04

    Best paid inmate.... Gets more than the chief of the hotel where he's staying... He can build his own home with bars and a private SECURITY TO KEEP HIM COMPANY.......

  • Chris - 2012-05-31 09:05

    Blatant incompetent bastards! They would cover up murders for one another. There is no guilt in the back of their minds. Pure Evil!

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-31 09:06

    His only one that we know about!!!!!!

  • Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-05-31 09:07

    Clearly he's getting the unemployment grant subsidy or is it the prisoners grant...?

  • gee.raaf - 2012-05-31 09:09

    1st class passenger on the gravy train!

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-31 09:09

    so they must amend it fast!!! Im tired of my tax money going to these criminals... I would rather leave the country so there is less tax money to pay for all this waste

      Gerhard - 2012-05-31 09:24

      That would not be fair on the rest of us left behind. You don't think that you leaving will reduce their income do you? They will find creative ways, such as tolling exisitng roads, getting people to pay for parking when they didn't have to before, increasing rates in a municipal region because they are a bit short, taxing lotto winnings previously exempt from tax, and, and, and......

  • robynhalstead - 2012-05-31 09:10

    Sad when you're not sure if it's incompetence or plain corruption

      pws69 - 2012-05-31 09:20

      Clearly corruption.

      gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-31 10:10

      Competent corruption. Sipping Johnny Walker and laughing.

  • Antipoaching - 2012-05-31 09:15

    WHAT!!!! Selebi's employment contract was simply allowed to lapse in August 2009, instead of him being dishonourably discharged.!!!! Further proof that those running the SAPS are grossly negligent & incompetent!

  • Deon - 2012-05-31 09:17

    This is not all, he still has to repay the state for his legal defence. R15m? It will also not happen.

  • pws69 - 2012-05-31 09:19

    I was witness to a dishonourable discharge of an officer for stealing R5000 when I was doing my national service. But this connected crony has hos contract "lapse", no doubt by design, so he can carry on milking us. Is there a SINGLE honest person in the ANC?

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-05-31 11:24

      NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Johan - 2012-05-31 09:21

    Being a policeman I know that if you are of lower rank and convicted of a crime you get dismissed , only paid out the pension you paid in ,lose medical benefits ,lose vacation leave etc , why can Selebi still get all these .This is probably why Police is considered corrupt and members do as they please ,as no guidance and transparancy from the TOP .This creates a hell of a lot of NEGATIVITY on ground level .Deceased members ,families waiting for years for benefit pay outs ,No recognition for good work from upper echelons and so on and so on . Clear out the POLICE from the TOP and circumstances should improve .

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-31 09:24

      He gets it because of apartheid. Because he was historically disadvantaged.

      Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-05-31 09:46

      The President knows what hes doing...he cant just make decisions, the commisioner has to set up an inquiry first, relay the findings of the Minister, the Minister to the President then the President study the report and after that make a decision...and this could take up to a year or maybe more.

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-05-31 09:26

    hot the hell on earth is this posible.

  • nadia.chotu - 2012-05-31 09:28

    Funny that ANC is not up in arms over this!! I hear no calls for marches or the transporting of bus loads of supporters to march against the payments that are being made! The ANC sure has their priorities in good order! damn thieves!

  • dianne.b.hartley - 2012-05-31 09:29

    Cows will give beer before this idiots pension is stopped. Eish this country is going down the drain at a rate of speed!

  • smiso.mkhonza.9 - 2012-05-31 09:30

    What more can we say or do? who are we ,let stop paying tax any

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-05-31 09:30

    The mind bogles at allowing this to happen. Because some idiot did not follow through with having Selebi discharged he now collects a pension even though convicted as a criminal. Surely the Minister of Police must be held responsible but then again nobody in government accepts blame. A further point that I do not understand is how B Cele must await a judgement call from the President JZ and not the Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa.Is the police force not a separate entity under the control of N Mthethwa ??

  • thuli.sibanyoni - 2012-05-31 09:33

    SO WHAT

      Dylan.rid - 2012-05-31 11:06

      So which department do you work for (steal from) so someone having money they aren't entitled to isn't a problem for you? Guess that's apart of the African mentality.

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-05-31 09:41

    WTF????

  • Loo - 2012-05-31 09:42

    Pay the Piper .. " Selebi, sorry comrade, we have to throw you in jail ,, but forgive us (Pity the public found out you stole so much pal) , we know you helped the struggle, we will secretly pay you full benefits,, After Shaik, you will en d up being the richest prisoner weve ever had" VIVA VIVA.

  • noelle14 - 2012-05-31 09:43

    At least he making full use of his benefits - guess he is hanging in there until he comes of age to receive the pension!

  • ndebeleisrael - 2012-05-31 09:48

    Our country is Very confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-05-31 11:28

      Corrupt not confused the people are confused but the anc know exactly wot they doing to their people

  • jasper.booysen - 2012-05-31 09:49

    Dis "lekker" om vir die government te werk!!!!

  • Liesbet - 2012-05-31 09:51

    At least now we know about it! We're gonna watch him! And others....

  • clive.brink - 2012-05-31 09:57

    Stae/Government rules, and the Public Service Act stipulates that if a government employee is convicted of a criminal all remuneration and benefits cease. If any was paid since the crime and up to the conviction it must be recovered from the criminal. This action or wilfull and deliberate inaction to protect and look after cronies at tax payers expense, beggars human belief! Somebody should be held accountable.

      Kent - 2012-05-31 11:05

      Yes, Zuma but then he has other priorities

  • Vusi Mthethwa - 2012-05-31 10:01

    so what?? da goverment of aparthet got there pension after 1994 who said what leave with it or die.

      gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-31 10:15

      What are u saying Vusi. Because Jack White steals then so must Sipho Black. Two wrongs can never equal two rights.

      Dylan.rid - 2012-05-31 11:01

      Apartheid < learn to spell.....and that government earned their money, South Africa had a first world economy, crime was much lower. But I don't expect you to understand.

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-05-31 11:29

      VUZI u are an anc IDIOT

  • crystal.hebrard - 2012-05-31 10:09

    ...and so the Poloyatonki's and the rest of us will continue to work for the Government (Yes! 25 to 40% of your earnings go to the Government in terms of taxes), hence 25 to 40% of your time spend to earn a living is for the benefit of The Government. Stand up people of South Africa!.....and stand together! This nonsense has to stop!

  • Daan - 2012-05-31 10:10

    they are stealing us blind. But this is Africa, hey!

      Kent - 2012-05-31 11:10

      @ njabs.ngcobo. Obviously you do not work and as thus, you pay, no taxes.

  • njabs.ngcobo - 2012-05-31 10:11

    I wonder if the White cop who shot Hector Peterson got his pension taken away?

      domonique.fester - 2012-05-31 10:33

      why should everything be turned into a racial slur. He is dirty and he doesn't deserve a pension or a medical aid. They can use that money to feed orphans!

      njabs.ngcobo - 2012-05-31 10:40

      Corrupt or not he worked for his Pension! Your corrupt fathers got theirs so let this corrupt man be with his pension!

      pws69 - 2012-05-31 10:54

      you're point?

      Dylan.rid - 2012-05-31 11:03

      At least that white cop was doing his job, more than I can say for that corrupt black theif.

  • David - 2012-05-31 10:21

    the normal cadre theft continues, but what the hell, why not just vote the criminals back in come elections,

  • Zighom - 2012-05-31 10:33

    This is not newsworthy. A person is a persons property. They contributed to it. Unless it was confiscated by court order he can continue to receive it no matter where is he is, or even dead. His family will get it he's dead. All this emotional stuff is missing the point really. If it was YOUR pension wouldn't you expect to carry on getting it?

  • muriel.proudfoot - 2012-05-31 10:42

    And the ANC keeps on sinking lower and lower... good carry on, soon DA will kick your @ss!!

  • Klipkop - 2012-05-31 10:47

    Un f-ing real. And WE the tax payers are the cash cows.

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-05-31 10:57

    Yup the gravy train is running well. Selebi+ANC=corruption. How much of our tax money is being wasted on all these guilty corrupt officials that are on so called special leave?????

      Omrisho - 2012-05-31 12:53

      darryl... carte blanche on sunday had an insert about people being suspended pending whatever... it is to the tune of millions, like 100's of millions, very sad for SA

  • Dane - 2012-05-31 11:16

    Trying again, maybe this time my comment wont be deleted! First you let this a**hole fake sickness to evade jail time and now you still pay him to live a lavish lifestyle with MY f**ing tax money. From the bottom of my heart: FU ANC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Shilly Maelane - 2012-05-31 11:53

      Give Dane a Bells!!! : )

  • swavka - 2012-05-31 11:29

    Of course he is and every other corrupt, suspended/fired official (who just happens to be a cadre or chommie) still gets full pay, pension, medical aid, housing, travel and everything else they can think. You would think that the monopoly set would actually run out of money - oh but wait they can just print some more.

  • frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-31 11:31

    Generally speaking - when you are convicted of a criminal offence, especially if found to be defrauding your employer, it is grounds for summary dismissal. If found guilty in a court of law of said offence, and sentenced to jail, the employer is entitled to terminate the employemnt without carrying out any further disciplinary procedures. In this case, the employer (the government) has the duty to terminate the contract. Second point - I would love to see what the terms of his contract was. In most cases you either have a limited duration contract, which generally does not have benefits after the contract has lapsed, or a permanent contract of employment, which does not lapse. If you have a limited duration contract of employment which is longer than a certain period, it is deemed to be a permanent employment contract. I think someone saw a loophole...I smell a rat.

  • ljmostert - 2012-05-31 11:39

    Crime PAAYYSS brothers and sisters!

  • Michael - 2012-05-31 11:51

    Snore,he will be out soon playing golf with Shabir.Dont care if he was in the struggle as some stooopid people are saying...he is a gangster and should be shot execution style if the common man knew better...instead of saying he was in the struggle.....grow up.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-31 12:47

    Does anyone need more proof that the ENTIRE ANC are a bunch of THIEVES? How on earth is he allowed to retained any benefits?? are they all mad?

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-31 12:50

    PolioDonkey, suerly you can't be that stupid? or can you? He is a convicted criminal who assisted a DRUG dealer. As such he has lost all benefits he may have ever been entitled to. In case you are not aware of that, drugs abuse is a major cause of violent crime that puts YOU and your loved ones in danger and undermines society. Please answer without giong back to the race card. the fact that he is black and was in the "struggle" does not make him less criminal.