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Sex change woman in court for new ID

2012-05-08 12:42

Johannesburg - A woman who used to be a man obtained a court order against home affairs on Monday because, according to her ID book, she is still man, Beeld reported.

Jacqui Louw, 41, of Durbanville, Cape Town, stated in court papers submitted to the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria that due to the disparity between her appearance and the information in her ID book, she had lost her job.

Louw said she was supposed to travel to the USA in February 2011 for an operation on her vocal cords, but had to cancel the trip because she was unable to apply for a passport as a woman.

Judge Aubrey Ledwaba ordered the home affairs director general to consider within 30 days Louw's request to have her identity documents altered to reflect her new sex, and to inform Louw of his decision.

Louw said she had undergone the necessary surgical procedures to alter her sex, and was still undergoing oestrogen therapy.

She originally applied at home affairs' Belville office on June 26, 2010 to have her ID book and birth certificate altered, but after 18 months she had received no response.

Comments
  • Sharon - 2012-05-08 12:45

    it would appear getting a new ID number will take longer than the procedure itself! Who would have thought....

      jowza1 - 2012-05-08 13:09

      They should widen your choice on gender 1] male 2]female 3]in transition 4]all of the above

      Rudie - 2012-05-08 13:41

      She has got balls......

      goyougoodthing - 2012-05-08 14:25

      Why is sex important? This should be the real question.

      Koos - 2012-05-08 15:16

      Hahahahaha, Oom/Tannie Louw maak my dag!

      mmokoatle - 2012-05-08 15:23

      @jowza1-am finished.LOL!

  • Bonjo - 2012-05-08 12:50

    Just be a man about it...

      Candice - 2012-05-08 13:01

      LOL, U guys are so funny, keep them coming. Always nice to have a good laugh.

      Unathi - 2012-05-08 15:38

      Clearly someone just wants to be f***ed. WTF

  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 12:56

    Who.....Why.....What, People are never happy with themselves..........

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:24

      I disagree Tamaranui. Did you perhaps ask her what she was born with inside her body. Maybe she was born with a uterus and overies but also had a penis. Births like this are quite common - one in every 1,500. Caster Semenya is a very good example. It is just human beings who cannot accept that we do not always fit into cute little boxes!!!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 17:14

      im, I obviously do not know the woman however as a Liberal I do not have any issue with the Person in question as one should live one's life as one pleases as long as it is within the Law. Nevertheless we continuously see people trying to change their features for whatever reason. I personally think it sad when one is not happy with what Mum and Dad's genes have dished out to an individual.

  • Candice - 2012-05-08 12:59

    @Rikesh - Whahahahahaha.... that is so funny

  • Final.Punishment - 2012-05-08 13:00

    Guy, you are a guy? born one? so birth certificate should still state male. as for the ID book, can't they like put male\female on the document?

      Sharon - 2012-05-08 13:52

      @ Final - the way to see whether an ID number is for a male, the middle 4 digits are above 5000, for a female it is below 5000.

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:26

      Just because she was born with a penis does not mean she was born a male. Go study a bit of biology. She may have been born intersexed!! It is quite a common birth defect - one in every 1,500!!!

  • Stephen - 2012-05-08 13:04

    Sex should determined solely by the presence of a Y-chromosome. This GUY still has one therefore is still a man. Caster Semenya also has ones therefore also a man.

      promise.ozuzu - 2012-05-08 13:09

      Lol, pls guys don't kill me!

      jowza1 - 2012-05-08 13:20

      LE FUUU

      Nosiphom - 2012-05-08 13:35

      The Caster swipe was completely unjustified, be ashamed of yourself!

      JJ - 2012-05-08 13:38

      Hahaha!! Come on, lighten up guys...it was quite a good joke!! Or ladies(in place of guys)...before anyone gets offended

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-08 13:41

      Both swipes are disgusting. You have no idea what she has gone through, and it is her body, her life, therefore she can do whatever she pleases.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 13:43

      Disgraceful Feinburg.......Not surprising , the substance of your comment regarding Caster. SHE is a world class athlete.....What are you?

      Stephen - 2012-05-08 14:00

      I am a scientist. The biological definition of sex is that XX is a woman and XY is a man. You get a number of rare genetic orders where there is either an extra X chromosome or none at all. You can be extra liberal like the aussies and Thai and allow a transgender category but the fact of the matter is that this MAN will never be a woman. As brilliant an athlete as Caster is, she should be competing as a man.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 14:17

      You are a foolish Scientist, Here a site that will dilute your opinoins; http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16934-girl-with-y-chromosome-sheds-light-on-maleness.html Seems many woman around the world are born with a Y Chromosome............

      jowza1 - 2012-05-08 14:22

      i may not know about x and y,but i know about a penis and a vagina

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-05-08 14:22

      Stephen I need to agree with u on this one, all these haters needs to grow up, I wonder if they had to compete against her would they still think the same?

      PatriƧiƵ - 2012-05-08 14:23

      Stephen, I agree with Le you are a nincompoop. I once had a female cat that was just as fast in a race as my male ones, so I don't know what your problem is with women but even if Caster was one, you should dispel the myth that he would never be able to compete alongside other men. Woman can do things that men can do too, sometimes. Even pretend women

      mmokoatle - 2012-05-08 15:33

      @jowza-yes, Caster has a vagina. Oh, have you thought of being a commedian? You have a view of the lighter side of things. LOL!

      Stephen - 2012-05-08 15:45

      Men still have all the genes to be a woman in their X-chromosome. Hence you can get people who are XY and appear female as the majority of their Y genes have been shut off. However you will never find women who are XX displaying male characteristics as they lack the Y chromosome. The girl cited in the example may appear to be a woman but the Y chromosome will pose issues and may prevent her from ever menstruating or successfully conceiving. She is still a child and it is highly possible that male characteristics will surface at puberty. She may appear to be a girl but the presence of the Y chromosome makes her sex somewhat ambiguous. In the case of the man in question, its just a mental disorder and identity issues which lead him to mutilate his penis and take oestrogen injections. He is still a man and will always be one unless we decide to adopt a third sex option in ID documents of transgender like Aus and Thailand.

      Sango - 2012-05-08 15:47

      so stephen between the xx and xy you talking about which one do you fall under? because i can't figure you out.

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:28

      Stephen wrong - what about someone who is born with an XXY chromosome with a penis, a uteris and ovaries? What if someone is born with an XXXY chromosome? What if someone is born with an XYYYY chromosome. Remember - they don't test chromosomes when people are born and nor do they test to see what is inside a person when they determine a male or female. All they do is look at the genitals which can actually be wrong.

  • Johan - 2012-05-08 13:13

    Maybe she should just dress up like a man when she travels to the USA?

      jowza1 - 2012-05-08 13:16

      she wont be lying if they stop her at customs and ask,what are you hiding in your pants,and she replies nothing

      Wendy Holloway - 2012-05-08 13:34

      Why people want to change is a mystery they were born that way God does not make mistakes!!! I'm not judging them but God will!!!

      jowza1 - 2012-05-08 13:36

      maybe she wants a role in Jaqui does Dallas

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-08 13:44

      He doesn't exist, therefore he will judge no one.

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:41

      @Wendy your comment just shows your ignorance. You obviously don't have much life experience. Have you ever seen Caster Semenya - built like a man with NO penis - she was born intersexed. My grandson was born without any genitals at all - so which box should we have put him in - male or female? Who made him that way - it most certainly wasn't anyone's choice - it is just a genital deformity but society said we had to put him in a box - he had to be male or female otherwise we would not be able to register him so we had to wait for chromosome tests and a laparoscopy which showed that he had testes, no uterus and no ovaries. Based on all of those tests, and because he needed something to wee wee out of (remember he did not have a vagina or a penis or a scrotum), we could then put him into his little box of being male. If he chooses to change that when he grows up, it will be his choice!!

  • Jean - 2012-05-08 13:20

    Each to his/her own I say but sex change is still totally wack especially women, cos geez they can turn out to be fricken ugly men!

  • elvis.sibuyi - 2012-05-08 13:23

    What was wrong wth ur manhood,maybe it was like a pencil... Askies xeem..go on fight 4 ur right sista.

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-08 13:35

    Sex change might sound bad but is much better than being gay.

      Pulverturm - 2012-05-08 14:24

      Filthy Bigot!

      Carla - 2012-05-08 14:39

      Rather gay than a bigot like you.

      Jacqueline - 2012-05-08 16:48

      Being trans-gender like Jacqui Louw forms part of the Lesbian,Gay,Bisexual and Transexual community. You are an ignorant bigot!!!

  • damonsb - 2012-05-08 13:36

    You are created just the way you are.If it so happens that you are dissatisfied in how you look,and who you are,deal with it and wait on the time to find yourself being just that person that were created for.Be someone`s wife/husband ,have kids and live.Be happy and become grandmas and grandpas,Today,men turn gay ,will they ever get that beautiful chance to be called grandpa when their old.Having that feeling of Having their OWN.love yourself and face the world just as you are.A man or a woman

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-08 13:48

      Clearly she is intelligent and doesn't subscribe to your pathetic religious morals and outlook. Her life, her body, her decision.

      jowza1 - 2012-05-08 13:56

      makes you want to wave your arms about,hey wesley

      Carla - 2012-05-08 14:41

      @damonsb-Very easy to say when you aren't in her shoes and have no idea what her life is/was like.

      Jacqueline - 2012-05-08 16:49

      Every heard of adoption or surrogates? They will get the chance to be called Grandpa and Grandma you twit.

  • Mark - 2012-05-08 13:40

    From a 'slang' to a 'padda'.

      abed26 - 2012-05-08 13:57

      Hhah! @Mark are you out of your mind?

      Koos - 2012-05-08 16:04

      Parra???

  • Hudayfah - 2012-05-08 13:44

    So you are currently caught between a male and a female . .does this make you an e-male?

  • craig.a.salter - 2012-05-08 13:45

    I would agree the the id book but the change of the birth certificate. She as born a male there for her birth certificate should be male and she is now female so her id should say female

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:45

      Who says she was born male. Just because she was born with a penis does not mean she was born male. It is more important what you are born with inside than what is on the outside!!! It is called intersexed and it is quite common!!! There's quite a bit of information on the internet.

  • Johnorr - 2012-05-08 14:03

    I cant believe how people would entertain this 11.1.11," If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13. And to those who have something negative to say towards I, If ur a guy wait till u sleep wit that and if u a woman wait till SHE/HE takes ur man

      brendan.connellan - 2012-05-08 14:21

      If you're going to quote one piece of text in Leviticus, I hope it also means you obey all other sections of Leviticus and the rest of the old testament. So I can only assume that you endorse slavery (Leviticus 25:44); do not eat shellfish as it is an abomination (Leviticus 11:10); forbid women speaking in Church (I Corinthians 14:34); do not wear clothing of mixed fibres (Leviticus 19:19); do not cut your hair or trim/round your beard (Leviticus 19:27) and of course you must advocate the killing of people who work on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2). \r\n\r\nStop judging people...you may recall the bible also makes that suggestion; and rather start looking at how you can make a positive difference in our country. Start by showing reflect to people, even those different who you don't understand. Then move on and volunteer at an NGO, do done fundraising, adopt an orphan, whatever, but stop being a bigot.

      Pulverturm - 2012-05-08 14:31

      I can't believe people still use scripture from a fairytale to justify their bigotry. And btw, there are plenty of tranny admirers out there are specifically go looking for them, she should have no problem finding a someone to sleep with who will fully appreciate her for what she is! You filthy bigot!

      Mark - 2012-05-08 14:46

      You support his/her procedure then? In an effort to not be put to death this person has undergone some serious medical procedures and changed sex to circumvent this "rule"? They are towing the biblical line perfectly. Based on the assumption that you can't choose who you are attracted to (and you can't - if you don't agree with that you are wrong) you need to accept one of 2 things - homosexuals or sex-changes. I assume from your quote that option 1 is a problem so you are going to need to default to supporting option 2.

  • ntuthuko.mthembu1 - 2012-05-08 14:10

    Heshe ai emzansi

      jowza1 - 2012-05-08 14:14

      i dont know what you saying,but sounds like everyone must smoke hash

      Koos - 2012-05-08 16:07

      I agree with Jowza - Please comment in gods language - English

  • bmhadebe - 2012-05-08 14:28

    Kwaaaaaaaaa! Have u ever? This is very funny. Some cases are unique to South Africa I tell you. Lol. So chances are that in the nearer future we will hear that s/he is pregnant? Technology advancement has destroyed humanity

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:48

      It is not natural manipulation but a natural birth defect you idiot!!! In other words people have not chosen to be born this way - like Caster Semenya's sex was not manipulated - she was born hermaphrodite.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-08 17:18

      This has been going on for decades in the West , Now it is here.

  • lmathebe - 2012-05-08 15:05

    God gave us all but why do we feel inferior in our own bodies?????

  • Wayne Da Dakkee Fourie - 2012-05-08 15:39

    lmfaoooo.

  • Johnorr - 2012-05-08 15:48

    @Brendan, okay im a bigot if that satisfies ur liking but truth be told is that society got to comfortable with these acts and honestly i dont hate the guy or anything but the thing is that if GOD wanted a 3 kind of human or man woteva i think it would have been that way from creation since ur also in Scripture or wot do u think.

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:51

      So why did God then make hermaphrodites is he only wanted man and woman? Or does your bible not go that far?? Why can you accept a deformity of every other part of the body but you are too ignorant to accept a deformity of the genitals? Maybe because MAN was too stupid to know any different when he wrote the bible!!! Take those blinker off your eyes and start looking at reality.

      Jacqueline - 2012-05-08 16:53

      Please learn to spell properly before you spew your bigoted propaganda on a public forum. Woteva is not a word, neither is wot, u or im. Grammar and punctuation are your friends. Use them!!!

  • Irma - 2012-05-08 16:13

    Judging from the comments, there are a lot of ignorant people here! I doubt anyone here knows the feeling of hating who you are, feeling like a freak because you feel you should be someone else. My cousin is currently undergoing intensive counselling to ensure that him wanting to be a girl is true and geniune before starting the operations. I have never met a more sadder person, someone who hates themselves so much. People buy fancy clothes, wear make up, get haircuts, etc to make themselves look and feel better- what is the difference, and why does it offend you so much? Get a life.

      Kim - 2012-05-08 16:58

      @Irma, I agree with you - the average person is very ignorant but that is because these people do not fit into little boxes and therefore are unacceptable to society. Tell your cousin to go and do some research on intersexed infants. There is not much support in South Africa yet because South Africans still don't accept genital deformities. Dr Oz also did a great show on TV regarding this same issue - he is on FB and at www.doctoroz.com. Why not get your cousin to write to Dr Oz and get his advice before he does anything. My grandson was born without genitals and I have done a lot of research on the issue. I just wish I knew about Dr Oz seven years ago - things would have been totally different. South Africans are way too narrow minded for something as common as this!!

  • nadine.booyse - 2012-05-08 21:00

    I dont understand why you are laughing and making jokes about someone who has a terrible medical condition. It is not a choice to be like this. Nobody would ever choose this life over having a normal life. You sick minded people think its about chopping off your cock, well I can assure you its not. Its about living your life being true to your self. I am not going into all the details, but you nasty people who commented negatively on this story. You should all thank whatever god you believe in, that you are not transgendered. That you are comfortable with who you are, and identify with the body your god gave you. You go and thank your god, that your children are not transgendered. Because being transgendered does not ONLY get sick bigots like you out of the woodwork, it also means the loss of everything you hold dear, your family, your friends, your home, your financial security, and your job. If you feel the need to crack a joke or insult someone who is trans, put yourself in their shoes

  • Hemmo - 2012-05-09 08:38

    This is certainly not a LOL matter. The issue is not about this women, but the fact that the government department needs to be taken to court to do the job they are mandated to do. I wonder if the court made a cost order as well?

  • mario.diketso - 2012-05-09 10:58

    why dont peopl accept their selves the way they are.God made u for a reason

  • mario.diketso - 2012-05-09 10:59

    why dnt people accept their selves the way they are.God created u 4 a reason.this is highly satanism

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