News24

Sisters held for chewing gum on Gautrain

2012-07-17 07:38

Johannesburg - Two sisters were detained by Gautrain security for four hours and fined R700 for chewing gum, according to a report on Tuesday.

The incident happened on Friday, the Star newspaper reported.

Sisters Pontso Pakkies and Lebo Sibisi said they were unaware that chewing gum was not allowed on the train.

While waiting for the train, Pakkies said a guard approached them and told them to get rid of the gum.

After talking to a guard, they wrapped the gum in paper and placed it in their bags as there was no dustbin nearby.

As the train approached, one of the security managers told them they could not board.

"He said we had refused to throw the gum away and he was going to fine us," Pakkies told the publication.

They were detained in a room that had no cellphone reception, she said adding that they were refused permission to go to the toilet, or call their families.

They were released after paying a R700 fine.

Gautrain's operator, the Bombela Concession Company said rules on its trains were of the highest standards.

"Eating and drinking is not allowed on the Gautrain and is considered a transgression of the Gautrain travel rules," spokesperson Kelebogile Machaka said.

"Removing gum from tiles, upholstery and carpeting in trains cannot only prove to be costly, but in some instances may inconvenience another passenger who has to step on it or sit on a chair plastered with gum."

Comments
  • merushan - 2012-07-17 07:48

    Good they deserve it! I'm sure they gave th security attitude

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 08:01

      I would like to see your comments if your daughters disappeared in SA for four hours and their cell phones were dead. Sure fine them, make them pay, but this is just too much.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-07-17 08:14

      I believe the rules say you cannot chew gum on the train ...not you cannot have it wrapped in paper in your handbag, thats not chewing it. I doubt that fine would stand up in court.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 08:35

      more than likely... that’s the side we haven’t heard yet. It’s always the "poor me" victim mentality before the truth comes out

      zaatheist - 2012-07-17 09:58

      @squeegee Check the thumbs up. Once again you look stupid so you can as usual delete your comment.

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-07-17 10:29

      I read the comments on this story and I feel ashamed to be considered a south african. Yes, I agree, having gum all over the seats will be disgusting. But to condone two girls to be detained for 4 hours, without allowing them to go to the toilet or to make a phone call to their place of work or family because they were chewing gum is absolutely disgusting. None of you self righteous morons that think this is acceptable behaviour will stand for it, if it happened to you, yet you condone it. Legally the security was 100% wrong, chewing gum does not constitute eating, nor drinking, and they were not doing it on the train either, as they were detained before they got on. Hence EVERYTHING about this is illegal.

      David - 2012-07-17 11:37

      @Squeegee You have ranted in this forum about how the Gautrain should conform to the norms of South Africa? I think it is fantastic that they are still so strict even after the year or so they have been running. I feel you are a typical south African. You probably moan about the ANC and the state of the nation, but when a organisation is sticking to their guns you complain that they are being authoritarianism. If the girls or their parents feels that their civil rights were restricted, there is absolutly nothing stopping them from taking the company to court?

      Willie - 2012-07-17 12:46

      Start by tackling petty crime ,well done Bombela,keep high standard if you do not like it take Putco bus

      christiaan.oosthuizen.568 - 2012-07-17 17:33

      The operator could just have refused entry to the train for them and refunded their ticket , but to hold them for a violation of a local rule is kidnapping unless they they were officers of the law . Also cant use the claim that they broke a law and made a citizens arrest although we all like a clean train and a clean RSA , the operator opened himself up for a criminal case against him if you ask me , bunch of IDIOTS and should be locked up. I mean if this type of behavior is allowed to continue , they could just pull sum you girl of and abuse her . just like the police does

      lungelo.yili - 2012-07-18 13:43

      its not clear tho. i just always rush in, fiddle with my BB and disembark.

      moeketsi.machogosekoto - 2012-07-18 14:55

      Halala Bombela Halala! :-))))))))))))))))))

      rob.gunning.1 - 2012-07-18 15:51

      The story sounds fishy. I believe the story is from those that were held for transgretion. It is not believable that these steps had to be taken if the passengers were fully compliant. If they produced their wrapped up chewed chewing gum from their handbags and not their mouths when boarding, there would have been no grounds for the detention. I think the passengers were more upset with the rules and took that frustration out by being defiant.

      adil.smit.5 - 2012-07-19 00:10

      detained for 4 hours because you have chewing gum in your handbag? who owns the Gautrain - BRUTALITY INCORPORATED?

      Pierre - 2012-07-19 07:48

      I agree that they should be fined, but seriously, they are not a bunch of criminals. A slap on the wrist and a fine would have sufficed. With that being said, I would like to hear both sides of the story though. Victim stories sell more articles, unfortunately.

      zs5zk - 2012-07-19 10:26

      Yes,just suck on it. Wonder what people do when they have to take Medication suddenly.

      zs5zk - 2012-07-19 10:46

      They should make Basic Law a compulsory subject at school so people like you do not have to show others your Intelligence levels.

  • Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-07-17 07:48

    since most south africans do not know how to chew gum properly, it should be banned altogether in public. most people chewing gum seem to be in competition as to who can make the most noise while doing it! cows chewing the cud!

      susan.paul.330 - 2012-07-17 08:19

      I doubt that news 24 is telling the full story.

      Warren - 2012-07-17 08:59

      I wasn't aware that there was correct gum chewing etiquette, is it printed in the packaging? Should certainly be taught at schools

      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-17 09:27

      As well as to see who can chew with their mouths open for the longest period of time before the proverbial Fly enters their gobs. Disgusting habit, cricketers & football managers seem to set these low standards

      matthew.swanepoel.9 - 2012-07-17 09:59

      Is this news Worthy? Running out of $#!t Talk.

      zionpercival.pay - 2012-07-17 11:14

      wE SHOULD ALSO BE TAUGHT HOW TO CHEW GUM WHEN IT IS INSIDE A HANDBAG AND WRAPPED UP.

      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-17 12:10

      I have just returned from dong a bit of grocery shopping & guess what was waiting for me stuck to the side of the plastic basket in the trolley yes -CHEWING GUM- I will say it once again, a disgusting habit as chewers never know how to dispose of it once the flavour has gone, they spit it out on the road/pavement/floor, stick it under chairs & tables instead of placing it into a tissue or other wrapping to be disposed of hygienically into a refuse bin.

      maureen.nel - 2012-07-18 08:52

      Dawn get a life

      paul.nefdt - 2012-07-18 17:29

      @Dawn Campbell: Is there a 'right way to chew gum' ?? For all those that thumbs up that comment, GET A LIFE!! I'm sure you'll don't even eat chappies.. lol About that idiot security guards, if you give a moron a uniform & some authority he/she will act like a MORON on a power trip.. What was wrong with finding a amicable solution??

      denis.gomo - 2012-07-18 19:04

      Rules being rules, they stated that its not allowed to chew gum, hence the girls were alerted to it and complied by stopping and putting it away not on the floor but wrapped in their handbags. Unless I"m missing somethinfg, there is no rule against possession of gum in one's handbag in SA or with Gautrain. And being held for 4 hours against your will constitutes kidnapping. The girls must sue Gautrain and the guards in their personal capacity.

      DarrenCooper68 - 2012-07-19 16:52

      Take it easy, I chew nicorettes as I have recently given up smoking. From time to time I find my mouth goes into auto pilot and pretty much starts running away with itself, I do then catch myself and chew properly, but bugger me if not 5 minutes later, of it goes again. To all the mother grundies out there, chill, I could be blowing second hand smoke your way, or walking around with a fuse so short, everything starts looking like a flame..

  • thanuj.thulsie - 2012-07-17 07:48

    fair enough yes there is rule to abide to but the manner in which these guards adress people and treat passengers,they need to go for people skills training.wearing that uniform makes them feel they are part of the hawks,i saw on many occasions how plain down rude they are to the public

  • John - 2012-07-17 07:49

    Do not ride on the Gautrain if you do not want to keep the rules.......

      ernest.gouws - 2012-07-17 08:18

      Straight and forward, but we SA's like to push every rule to the limit anb then cry when a system collapse.

      trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-07-17 08:21

      John...they were not in the train...still on the "station"

      kenneth.roselt - 2012-07-17 09:04

      whether they were on the train or not doesn't matter, when entering the stations there are bins, and notices everywhere. they probably thought they could get away with it, and didn't. i can bet you one thing,they will never chew gum near the train again. obey the rules or get out - that simple really.

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-07-17 10:33

      So you think it's right to detain two girls for 4 hours without allowing to go to the bathroom or phone because they were chewing gum while waiting for a train? Sounds to me like an injustice.

      wesleywt - 2012-07-18 10:00

      klippies Liberals like you is the reason why the crime situation out of control. All crimes big and small must be punished.

  • andrew.panzera - 2012-07-17 07:50

    There are multiple train rule signs at all stations and in every train coach, so to claim ignorance, does not wash ! Pay up and move on...

      achmad.osman - 2012-07-17 08:45

      Andrew, I think that you should be kidnapped for 4 hours for a trumped up charge and forced to pay a ransom to be released. Then we will want to hear what you say. Stupid glib comments from a clown is a fail.

      Koos - 2012-07-17 08:47

      @Tanya: "minors"? Minor sisters have two different surnames and can easily pay a R700.00 rand fine one the spot? Must be part of that organization that classifies youths as up to the age of 35.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:04

      achmad.osman - who was kidnapped & what ransom are you talking about exactly? They were DETAINED & FINED..."Stupid glib comments from a clown is a fail"

      thechrisberryshow - 2012-07-18 14:48

      you clearly haven't actually read the extensive list of rules - http://join.gautrain.co.za/Assets/Download/Gautrain-rules.pdf here you go, follow link, read rules and make informed comments as to whether or not the sisters a: breached rules b: were fined the appropriate amount

  • christo.t.botha - 2012-07-17 07:50

    Sounds more like kidnapping with a ransom payed.

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 07:59

      Agreed. I wonder how people would feel if a school did this to your child. I hate gum, but this is absurd. This is 1984. Big brother mentality.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:05

      there are two sides to every story hey... do you know for a fact that they never gave the guards attitude or kicked up a fuss? No, you dont. So stop crying wolf.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:06

      squeegee.pilot - i normally side with your comments but i think you're being dragged into this drama like everyone else.

      wesleywt - 2012-07-18 10:02

      What don't you understand about obeying the rules christo... Or is it only when its convenient for you. They deserved what they got.

  • Khaedu Ndou - 2012-07-17 07:51

    As crazy as it may sound (and maybe sad)! i love the spirit of elevating the trains attributes, morals and standards

  • john.doeslough - 2012-07-17 07:55

    Well it does say so on the train that you can't chew gum...

      merven.halo - 2012-07-17 08:08

      True, chewing is much different than eating. These ladies actually got a good chance in court.

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 08:19

      The real question is whether these guys have the right to detain them for four hours. They should be in court for kidnapping.

      kenneth.roselt - 2012-07-17 09:15

      Tanya: whether they were on the train or not doesn't matter, when entering the stations there are bins, and notices everywhere. they probably thought they could get away with it, and didn't. i can bet you one thing,they will never chew gum near the train again. obey the rules or get out - that simple really.

      zaatheist - 2012-07-17 10:00

      @squeegee Check the thumbs up. Once again you look stupid so you can as usual delete your comment.

      john.doeslough - 2012-07-17 10:26

      merven.halo, if you run a google search for "gautrain rules" you will see that it says no chewing gum. So dunno how much of chance they have in court.

      David - 2012-07-17 11:29

      Merven...SHUSH.....you are harping on about a mute point. This is the sign in the train and on the station http://join.gautrain.co.za/Assets/Download/Train_Gautrain%20Rules-450x450.pdf Please note "No eating, drinking or chewing gum." So again....SHUSH

      merven.halo - 2012-07-17 12:00

      @john.doeslough and idiot David, then the reporter must state all the facts when reporting.

      john.doeslough - 2012-07-17 13:06

      Agreed merven. But when has news24 ever been thorough in their reporting. More often than not a person has to do their own background investigation. Anyway, I dunno why such a fuss is being made. I have chewed gun (unknowingly) on the gautrain....but then again I guess I don't chew it like horse like so many people out there

  • kritzinger - 2012-07-17 07:56

    The same rules apply in a lot of cities around the world, eg. Singapore.

  • jamesblueeyes - 2012-07-17 07:57

    I bet the security officer just wanted some company so decided the girls look cute and he will keep them 'arrested' as long as he can, typical abuse of power, he should get a real job catching criminals on the street.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:07

      Slick - what the hell are you on about with your copy & paste spree?

      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-17 09:30

      @E=MC2 he's feeling lonely because his children have been detained for flouting the Gautrain rules.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:50

      hahaha Shoosh! Thanks to the mods for deleting his cr@p copy & paste comments!

  • john.moodley.7 - 2012-07-17 07:57

    get a life, there are much bigger things to worry about than chewing Gum. let some-one pull out a knife and see how fast your security will run the other way or turn a blind eye.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:08

      but no one pulled out a knife, & chewing of gum is not allowed so they were stopped.

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 10:45

      E=MC2 the point is not that they were stopped or even fined, but the apparent excessive use of power to detain. Where are the boundaries here. Imagine if these were young girls who did not turn up at school, etc..

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 10:59

      But they werent... you cant base your whole argument on "what if's" Maybe they were detained because they were hurling insults at the guards...? How about you look at it from another point of view & not just always go on a "screw the system" rant.

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 11:59

      E, this is not the first report of them abusing their power. I'm all for order, rules, etc, but again, this seems excessive. Anyway, it's nice having a debate with you (without hysterics that some here cant avoid) - cant agree on everything.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-18 08:58

      squeegee.pilot - thanks squeeg ;) and margie.rensburg, Im going to turn your statement around... what if the gum wasnt the issue, but the attitude of the girls in question was the issue? We havent heard that side of the story yet...

  • helmut.smrz - 2012-07-17 07:58

    Gestapo attitued

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:08

      No, enforcing the law attitide.

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-07-18 03:47

      I agree; nothing is done about pedestrians walking on freeways, urinating in full view etc etc - the Gautrain is not a cheap mode of transport, so it's unlikely this sort of conduct would lead to serious anti-social behaviour...

  • joanita.hilton - 2012-07-17 07:59

    I reckon 10/10 to the security! Its not so much about chewing the gum, than breaking the rules applicable to using the Gautrain. If they don't like or agree with these rules, don't use the train. Simple really. Well done to applying the rules!

      tannie.marie - 2012-07-17 08:48

      Tanya Retief. Gautrain rules apply the moment you walk into a station. One of these rules is not to chew. These girls were chewing. There are numerous warnings even outside and bins for chewing gum clearly marked outside the stations. Guards are only doing what is expected of them, teens or not, rules apply for all commuters. I have 2 teens and they can read, even understand warning signs which say "no chewing". 4 Hours may not be as long as you think, especially if the girls are a) without proper ID, b) need to collect money c) put up an attitude with people who are enforcing the law (who knows their side of the story???) Stop spamming, rules are rules, to every commuter. Abide, spit out the gum, and we'll all have clean trains and less chomp chomp in our faces.

      achmad.osman - 2012-07-17 08:53

      Another one who does not fully understand - Two young girls were kidnapped, held in a place that does not have any phone reception. This is so that they cannot call the police or their lawyers. They were held for 4 hours by people that have no authority to detain. Gautrain committed a crime - yet you applaud them. How would you feel if your daughters "dissapeared" for 4 hours and you could not reach them? And you applaud this? Given the lawlessness of the "security guards" they could have abused the girls or even worse. We must not allow Gautrain or people with your views to get away with this.

      tannie.marie - 2012-07-17 09:01

      Achmad - with all due respect - do you think the 2 teens had R700 in their back pockets? Surely they must have gone to an ATM to withdraw the money, or phoned a friend? Just how reliable do you think a one sided report from 2 teens can be? I have never had any problems with the guards of the Gautrain, they are strict, professional and friendly to those who abide. If these kids have been "abducted" and "locked up" - which I highly doubt - I would also like to see justice. But I think this is highly unlikely and one sided and typical News24 reporting.

      tanya.retief - 2012-07-17 09:05

      Tannie Marie (fake FB profile *just* to post on News 24...NOT allowed if you read FB's policies. :) ), it looks like you do not understand very very basic law principles. Did you read the article? They DID spit out the gum. By law, the security guards were *NOT* allowed to detain them. They are not the police. This is NOT a crime in South Africa. (Strue's Bob!) They can happily enforce a fine. THAT is legal. (And even that fine can be paid at a later date.) ;) (We're not talking shoplifting where it IS legal to detain the suspect until the police have arrived.)

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:13

      well said joanita! Totally agree. achmad.osman - you been watching too many terrorist movies lately? No one was kidnapped, they never disappeared & the security guards were enforcing the law (& i think they do have the authority to detain, just fyi), thats all. Talk about a freaking drama queen! "kidnapped", "disappeared", "abused"... wtf!

      tannie.marie - 2012-07-17 09:14

      Friends (1825) and a 5 year old account with 12 comments on News24 - yes I created this fake account specifically to comment on here. Brilliant observation. Yes they did spit out the gum, then what? Maybe they gave attitude or reached for their bags to chew again? Both sides of the story my dear. Rules are rules. Gautrain rules apply the moment you enter their premises, just like Sun City security can detain you if you smash a gambling machine into bits. Surely you don't think Sun City will wait for useless SAPS to detain you then? But I'm outa here, useless arguing with trolls and blondes.

      kenneth.roselt - 2012-07-17 09:21

      ochmad: do you have any proof of this - how do you know the story on the other side of the coin - these girls may have been cocky, not had any money, pretended to be ignorant (o let's wait this out and they'll forget about us) - who knows. besides rules are rules, obey them or get out.

      tanya.retief - 2012-07-17 12:43

      Ag Tannie Marie, don't get your bloomers in a twist. :P (1825 friends. You sure are popular. Know them all? :P) Have you never heard the term 'debate'? Difference of opinion? I can provide brief explanations for you? Doesn't matter how you feel about the chicks that chewed the gum, gum in general, or the Gautrain, bottom line is it is UNLAWFUL (wederegtelik, dalk verstaan jy Afrikaans beter?) to detain individuals for 4 hours for 'breaking rules'. Our constitution as well as all of our different acts and laws certainly trumps 'rules'. They were legal with the fining (which you DO NOT have to pay on the spot. Go read on the site yourself). I AGREE with the fining. However, detainment was NOT LEGAL. And if they 'gave attitude' (as you so succinctly put it), is THAT a crime? No. Does THAT warrant a 4 hour detainment? (Ek stry ook nie met bong-smoking ou tannies nie. :P )

      harry.dewet.5 - 2012-07-17 14:27

      So next time when they even think you are chewing, they can detain you for the whole day until you have paid the fine, because you have apparently swallowed the evidence? I am sure you will then agree that you should not move your jaw when entering the platform, else don't use the train, because they are only applying the rules!

  • Rudi Minty - 2012-07-17 07:59

    Well, if you want a nice and clean experience of the trains and busses, they need to step up on the rules. I encourage it!

  • eric.martinsich - 2012-07-17 08:00

    So! When someone has no teeth and they "chew" their gums they better be afraid so very afraid if they ride the Gautrain. When the put the gum in the wrapper then maybe the security should of asked them for it instead of allowing them to place the gum in their bag. What is the next step. Open wide to check for gum. The other part of this is they ere not even on the train so what now. I am of the opinion something more happened for the arrest to take place.Also they could not call their parents etc. but were able to pay a R700 fine. Spoiled brats or what.

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-07-17 08:01

    Rules are rules and are there for a reason. I think it was abit much with the detaining of the girls. But none the less, rules are rules.

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 08:22

      Lets see taxi drivers detained for four hours until they pay ALL their fines - after all rules are rules...

      jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-07-17 08:27

      Didn't you know! Rules don't apply to taxi drivers.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:15

      squeegee.pilot - so if these guards didn’t do what they did, that would classify them as not doing their job... so you're now bashing them for doing their job but moaning that other authorities don’t do theirs?? how that work exactly?

      zaatheist - 2012-07-17 10:01

      @squeegee Check the thumbs up. Once again you look stupid so you can as usual delete your comment.

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 12:01

      E, read again - I love that there are rules and that they are strict - no problem there. I wish this was applied everywhere. My problem remains that this was excessive. I wonder if they would have tried this with two large blokes...?

  • jan.calitz1 - 2012-07-17 08:02

    Thumbs up! Imagine a Gautrain with seats full of gum and grease. Ignore them and they will soon enjoy their take away chicken and pap wiping their paws on the seats!

      jackey.moss - 2012-07-17 13:36

      @Jan..Who is "them" >>>

      shooshyu.tu - 2012-07-17 17:20

      @jackey "them" is those that would eat their take away chicken and pap on the Gautrain then wipe their paws on the seats, not so difficult to comprehend huh?

  • mark.grant.77920 - 2012-07-17 08:02

    Detained for 4 hours!!! WTH just give them the fine and move on already now!

      susan.paul.330 - 2012-07-17 08:28

      I bet they gave the security attitude..

      mark.grant.77920 - 2012-07-17 08:44

      Susan, I bet you these sec guards were on a power trip THATS IT! Calling in Police as well! How many criminals were commiting real crimes when these ladies got interrogated.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 11:21

      Spot on susan.paul.330 !!

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 11:21

      mark.grant.77920 - how many crimes mark?

      adil.smit.5 - 2012-07-19 00:18

      Can't imagine it being legal to DETAIN someone for 4 hours because they had chewing gum in their handbags. Sure the security guards do not have the authority to detain someone for nonsense like this.

  • christine.rohrbeckhall - 2012-07-17 08:07

    I agree with the rules of no eating etc. but clearly the punishment did not fit the crime and smacks of "I will show you who is boss".

      mark.grant.77920 - 2012-07-17 08:45

      I totaly agree Christine

      martin.kaschula - 2012-07-17 20:05

      Ag get a life ,what,s 4hrs. out of life.More important things to worry about,and they are the boss,only one way to deal with chancers.

      andre.maritz.773 - 2012-07-18 15:20

      @Martin: 4 hours, or 4 minutes, illegal detention is illegal and any law abiding citizen whould not be applauding a private security firm for breaking the law. Would you applaud a cop for using his blue lights when not in an emergency?

  • Joe - 2012-07-17 08:08

    Should have been R1000 fine, lucky to escape with only R700

      Squeegee - 2012-07-17 18:20

      So you would agree to the same treatment of people smoking in public places - like the entrance to shops, Malls, etc? Mmmm maybe I'll change my opinion. Imagine holding all those smokers for four hours without a pee or a smoke.... and a R600 fine. Surely public obedience must be universal and not just on the Gautrain.

      zs5zk - 2012-07-19 10:22

      JOE, you are a FOOL. Do not make comments with your level of Intelligence, People now know you are actually Stupid and RETARDED.

  • preshentha.chunderduth - 2012-07-17 08:09

    If there is a warning for this and people are aware of it and still do it,Then yes the fine is fair but if there is no warning and people do not know this then it is illegal to fine them for something that they are not aware of was not made legal.

      tannie.marie - 2012-07-17 08:18

      There are warnings everywhere, in the buses, in the trains, in the waiting areas, in the entrance, on the pamphlets. NO CHEWING. Not even a Rennie if you have heartburn. Been there myself. Used the Gautrain every day for 3 months. It is quite clear that you will be fined. At Sandton at the entrance is a bin, saying "Last chance to drop your gum" - no excuses. Drop it. And enjoy a clean train. Or would you rather use the Metro Rail?

      aspruyt - 2012-07-17 09:01

      tannie.marie - You need some reading comprehension lessons

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:16

      Slick - just finished reading the "idiots guide to trolling"?

      richy.rex.77 - 2012-07-18 09:37

      tannie.marie, tell me had they made sure that even the blinds are able to read the signs or vocal notification somewhere? Sothat even the less literate would be able to abide by the GAUTRAIN law. What if you miss the signs, you were rushing the G-Train or G-string what ever?Yes we like the cleanliness but don't abuse powers.

  • kwill16 - 2012-07-17 08:09

    people must learn to abide by the rules and this wil help stamp 0ut crime

      andre.maritz.773 - 2012-07-18 15:21

      Isn't ita crime in itself when you illegally detain someone?

  • BadplaasGolfClub - 2012-07-17 08:10

    Keep up the standards!!!!!

  • kosmonooit - 2012-07-17 08:10

    Those Gautrain security have a serious power-trip problem over petty issues like this. Yet there in Rosebank, a posse of them were standing (or more accurately slouching) next to a skeleton of the "Gautrain" sign, and I had to explain to them (or at least tried to) that the sign has been stolen. Nothing has been done, six weeks later.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 08:19

      Hello, they probably reported the matter, but are not responsible for replacing signs. Should you not be complaining to gautrain`s management instead of news24?

      kosmonooit - 2012-07-17 08:54

      The point is that they didn't even notice the theft, the evidence of which we dangled before their eyes, yet they get heavy over petty issues. I almost came to blows with them over a take-away coffee at the airport.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 11:11

      “Nothing has been done, six weeks later.” What do you want them to do? Use the pittance they earn to replace the sign?

      kosmonooit - 2012-07-17 20:13

      Even if they did report it - doesn't seem like anyone there gives a damn in station upkeep. And if you look around the Rosebank station outside, many of the fancy light fittings have/are been looted. Meanwhile these troops (under who's noses this looting is taking place) lock up girls for chewing gum on the train. They need attitude adjustment!They are public officers for a public service, one that we are paying for. Not power unto themselves.

      rob.gunning.1 - 2012-07-18 16:11

      @kosmonooit - I can't agree with you. You are putting forward that it is better to let everything deteriorate and allow a free for all if a single item has not been fixed / replaced. I would like to take a second to analyse your critique of the sign board. Firstly, tenders / competitive quotes would need to be put out for the replacement (1-2 Weeks). I Designs would need to be submitted and this would need to be agreed to (1-3 weeks). The sign would then need to be manufactured and then delivered (1-3 weeks). The sign would then also need to be installed (1-2 weeks). Using this timeframe I could see a replacement period of up to a few months. Expecting this to be done in a few weeks is quite unfair and to have it done in just 6 weeks from conception to final installation is just not feasible.

      kosmonooit - 2012-07-18 23:04

      Rob what I am saying it seems that the focus of these security people are petty issues with passengers, yet they were oblivious to the looting of fittings around the station, which is on-going. And I witness them slouching around the entrance most of the day, their only focus is what's happening on their phones. But actually they are not to blame, it the management that must take the rap.

  • chris.cunning.14 - 2012-07-17 08:11

    I see everyone is pro this, but I find it a little ridiculous. They chewing gum for crying out loud. Get there details and issue them a fine, why detain them like some hard core criminals.

      kenneth.roselt - 2012-07-17 09:25

      maybe, just maybe they refused to cooperate...

      chris.cunning.14 - 2012-07-17 09:44

      @Kenneth: Maybe, or just maybe the guys abused there power to lock them up for 4 hours for chewing gum. So I guess we'll never know. But I've had it first hand where guys abuse power, to my vote goes for abusing power. If the story is in fact true that they did spit the gum out into a serviette.

      tokoziza - 2012-07-17 11:21

      Totally agree chris.cunning.14

  • kevin.pitzer - 2012-07-17 08:12

    What B.S. I have lived in Mozambique for 20 years where in the beginning this sort of abuse of power was the order of the day however not seen much anymore as the country heads north in attitude.RSA still needs to find their own south as it is clearly their direction is still down with no political effort to make the turn.Fined for chewing gum....what a joke ....Grow uo South Africa!

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-07-17 08:23

      Kevin - guess you never been to Hong kong, Singapore ... Gum is a dirty habit, especially chewed the way our majority do!!!

      marco.freitas1 - 2012-07-17 09:06

      That is why Mozambique is no1 super power in Africa? No they dont give out fines they just take bribes all the way to maputo.

      Andre - 2012-07-17 13:29

      Well said Kevin I support your vision. When you put an uniform and kepi on a platkop, he/she looses control and start fining their own mother. By experience, platkop is not colour bound.

  • Zeezoh - 2012-07-17 08:13

    rules are rules en they must followed!!!

  • shubnam.patel - 2012-07-17 08:16

    And why must this make headlines news24????????

  • alan.ingram.355 - 2012-07-17 08:17

    I took my 3 grand children (ages between 2 and 5) on the Gautrain one Sunday and i gave them biscuits to eat infront of security and they said 'nix' 1)cause i was a male and would have 'klaped' him if he made a remark 2) the security man more than likely wanted sex with them and they told him off!

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-07-17 08:27

      Thumbs up alan - teaching the kids the right way. Skrew the rules!!!

      mark.grant.77920 - 2012-07-17 08:51

      Alan im sure you white? I didnt want to make this another race issue, but thanks for giving me the freedom to mention this. Im sure you white and thats the reason why. Black people are just scared to confront white pleople, Thats it!

      Bazzpete - 2012-07-17 08:59

      Maybe it was because you looked like an obnoxious old fart who would swear and curse at the ignorant "natives" you chop. If the security people man wanted sex with your grand chidren and they told him off, why didn't you have them arrested? They are 2 & 5 and their grandfather didn't say a word

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 09:58

      No oupa, they probably used all their strength to restrain themselves from later being accused of abusing the elderly. So give them some credit for showing respect to the aged

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 10:09

      Reply to alan.ingram.355 - you're a complete idiot.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 10:15

      Alan - fyi, you know people can look at your FB profile by simply clicking on your name hey? Favourite quotations "You cannot go forward, while you keep looking back" How about you pull your head out of your a$$ & practise what you preach... i wont even bring up the "Christian" label that you've so proudly displayed & yet act like this! Nice

      rob.baggaley - 2012-07-17 10:18

      @ mark.grant.To quote you. "Black people are just scared to confront white pleople, Thats it!" Yet they hi-jack, murder & rape whites daily !

      mike.bundy.73 - 2012-07-17 10:53

      Alan, I'm not surprised to see on your profile that you are a proud christian. Is this the christian way Alan?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 11:01

      Baggaley, I've alive for over 35 years but have never hijacked, murdered or raped any white person. Why are you lumping me with other scum? There's an over~concentration of racism in your head. I hope you choke on it one day while you zealously feed on it

      rob.baggaley - 2012-07-17 11:19

      @thwala.98. Good for you. Seems like you have a " hard on " for me, in your crusade to uncover so called racists. Your ANC continually " lumps me " with all other whites, when it continually refers to whites this....whites that ! Not so ? Sad world you live in............" Ah here a racist, there a racist, everywhere a racist. "

  • gregory.wellsclifton - 2012-07-17 08:17

    Where is the Security Guard's side of the story????? Of course not! Let's rather sensationalise. Here's mine. My fiance and I were about to board at Sandton about a month ago. I had just had a smoke upstairs, and hadn't seen the signs about eating, drinking and chewing, which are VERY visible. I had gum in my mouth. The Security Guard VERY politely and discreetly came to me, asked me to bin the gum (bins available), and pointed to the sign when I showed confusion. Big up to him for his professionalism and discretion. So, what transpired between the Security Guard and the two sisters? Think about it

      Msika - 2012-07-17 08:39

      They probably gave him attitude, refused to throw the gum on the bins provided, and left him with no other choice but to enforce the rules on them.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 09:54

      Most people treat security like brainless sub~human and are surprised when they get a rude awakening

  • Mupengo - 2012-07-17 08:18

    A good lawyer they can make a good buck out of this

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-07-17 08:19

    Chewing gum....while others will be "spitting"...since when have "we" got "Singapore" standards....they were not even in the train???

      mike.bundy.73 - 2012-07-17 10:54

      The rule applies on the platforms too

  • slick.hounder - 2012-07-17 08:19

    Name the BASTARDS that did this to the women, whether they showed attitude or not. In FACT bring them out their safe zones as into the street and I,ll show them where I will put my gum... that's so far up their backsides they will choke to death. They ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS and have NO LEGAL RIGHT to hold a person/persons captive let alone force a person/s to pay fines without Legal representation or bringing them before a Court of Law!! If this Article is correctly reported, they were'nt even on the TRAIN! Simple FACT!!

      wynand.vanloggerenberg - 2012-07-17 08:26

      after going through the boom they are on the property thanks for rules

      tanya.retief - 2012-07-17 08:45

      Wynand, your knowledge of very basic law principles seem to be lacking. They are NOT in a position of power to detain any individual for an infraction that is NOT considered a crime in South Africa. (The fine is 100%. They're allowed to do that).

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 08:48

      Neither are you a prosecutor, judge nor executioner to do what you have threatened to the security officers. Leave them alone. They were merely following orders.

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-17 09:17

      Themba, tanya is 100% correct. What you gave is not an argument. This is a simple matter of criminal law. If a citizen does not commit a crime / is reasonably suspected of doing so, then these security oafs simply don't have the right to detain. What THEY did was a crime! It also opens the shareholders of the Gautrain to civil claims. And it does not matter how many signs and warnings there are, that only has to do with (other) civil claims. So if anyone caught breaking the rules, then they may be penalised in agreement with those rules -as long as the rights of transgressors are not breached. Which is what happened here.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 09:48

      Antin, according to you it is okay for Slick to go and exact punishment on the security guys? You are wrong. He will be arrested for a CRIME of assault. Secondly, kids are routinely “detained” at school for not doing their homework. In other words, one does not necessarily have to commit a crime to warrant being detained by authorities.

      tanya.retief - 2012-07-17 12:46

      Themba, your argument is invalid. Compare apples with apples, not oranges with office chairs.

      Willie - 2012-07-17 12:50

      keep on ranting we will arrest anyone who disrtegard rules on this trains

  • hope.malebo - 2012-07-17 08:21

    just a gum

  • Msika - 2012-07-17 08:21

    Typical Security guards. Never apply common sense at all. Always operate like computer programs, they always do ONLY what their superiors tell them.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 08:36

      Security guards merely follow orders or they will get fired. Don't give them a hardtime for doing what they have been hired for.

  • mulzar - 2012-07-17 08:22

    FFS! This whole article is absurd - both parties probably got their panties in a knot and insults and other nonsensical actions were traded. But... * The sisters were wrong: there are more than enough signs up - open your eyes and take note of your surroundings * The "security": most of them are a lot of buffoons that reckon their lopsided hats, whistles and battons give them the right to be disrespectful * "Management": No way to treat people - rather give attention to your shoddy service

  • stanton.tivers - 2012-07-17 08:29

    This is standard practice , for world class transport , same thing applies in Hong Kong when you ride their trains. If you are caught chewing gum you are fined , failure to pay the fine will result in imprisonment. Sounds harsh , but the law is the Law

      skootzie - 2012-07-17 11:11

      Holding people against their will, making the fine bigger than the rules stipulate (Level 3 violation = R600, not R700), denying the offenders basic human rights (presumably) and making the offenders pay immediately without granting them their right to a 30 day grace period (as stipulated under the rules) is standard practice? Somehow, I doubt that.

      ddviljoen - 2012-07-18 09:58

      This not a law it is only company rule. You cannot fine someone for not following your private rules (if we could, then we would all be millionaires!)If they dont like the rules then they should not use the service or you refuse to give them service, those are the choices. People still have a freedom of choice in this country and Gautrain's actions in this case severe impedes on that freedom.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-07-17 08:30

    This is nonsense. These so called guards are themost rude people apart from ourlocal saps people. If Gautrain provided enough binns etc things could be different. These binns need to beon the trains as well. And 99% of the time its not only what theysay to you, but how. Very crude and bossy attitudes.

      mulzar - 2012-07-17 08:37

      There are enough bins at the entrance and on the platforms where signs are clearly displayed. There are also bins at the entrance of each car. Have you ever used the service?

      ishmael.valoyi - 2012-07-17 08:54

      As if they know what a bin is for..trust me on this one,they were still gonna throw it on the floor even with bins sitting right in front of them

      mike.bundy.73 - 2012-07-17 11:04

      Hein I have had numerous dealings with the S.A.P. recently and they have been nothing but patient, helpful, friendly, polite and courteous in every instance. I don't know why you have found them to be rude - perhaps you resisted when they busted you for something?

      LynneOeschger - 2012-07-18 07:15

      I've never found them rude - the security guys. I returned from one of my many international flights and was really thirsty. I bought a drink and ambled with it to the station. The guy just saw it in my hand and informed me I wasn't to drink it. Sounds to me like these kids gave attitude. I am grateful Gautrain is so fussy. I have seen so many transport systems that make you want to wear a haz-mat suit because rules are not enforced. I shall warn my gum-loving teenager to not do it on the Gautrain.

  • fboto - 2012-07-17 08:30

    Security guards issuing fines? For carrying chewing gun? What's happening????????????????

      gregory.wellsclifton - 2012-07-17 08:35

      It was gum, not a gun.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-17 09:53

      they'd be arrested for carrying chewing guns im sure. & yes. Its the rules, follow them or get off the train! (thats whats happening)

  • toddler.ras - 2012-07-17 08:30

    I'm sure the sisters were disrespectful and threw all sorts of insults to the poor security guard. I was also caught chewing a gum and I was told it wasn't allowed and I simply threw it away...was never fined!

      stanley.marries - 2012-07-17 10:04

      I think you hit the nail on the head with that one,but even if that was the case,is it really justifiable by giving someone a R700 fine for such a minor mistake!!!

      andre.maritz.773 - 2012-07-18 15:23

      @Toddler.ras: Poor security guard? I wonder if you would be this forgiving if you were illegally detained for some hours?

  • nicola.killops - 2012-07-17 08:30

    The rules for the Gautrain Station and train are clearly displayed throughout, in multiple languages. We all moan when rules and laws are broken without consequence, but when there is a quick consequence there is an uproar. This story only tells the one side and if you look deeper I doubt they instantly complied without argument. The Gautrain is immaculate, after 2 years of running and this is why.

      fboto - 2012-07-17 08:43

      I think the uproar is about the fining. Security guards have no power for that, or to prevent anyone from carrying eat and drink stuff. Presumably smoking is also not allowed but, has anyone been fined for carrying cigarettes????? If anything, trangressors should be prossecuted in a court of law.

      stanley.marries - 2012-07-17 09:10

      come on now...R700 for chewing gum?..that's a bit absurd..they could have made it less!!

      andre.maritz.773 - 2012-07-18 15:23

      @Nicola: The Gautrain have rules and these should be adhered to. Our country have laws and I would think they should also be adhered to. ILLEGAL DETENTION is one such law!

  • aristar.aristary - 2012-07-17 08:35

    If anyone has every tried to remove gum from the undersides of tables, benches, etc they would understand why the Gautrain and many other places have the same opinion of "no chewing." In East London there used to be a sign "No spitting - Fine 5 pound" I wish they would reinstate that one in this country as spit and gum carry a variety of delightful germs. "Adult mouths may contain 500 to 1,000 different types of bacteria as part of the human flora and oral microbiology, but about 100 to 200 species may live in them at any given time. Those who care for their teeth and have a relatively clean mouth have 1,000 to 100,000 bacteria living on each tooth surface. Those that do not have a clean mouth have between 100 million and 1 billion bacteria on each tooth. Each day more bacteria grow in a person’s mouth. Though bacteria and saliva can be beneficial to one’s health, both can also cause problems. Many diseases are related to oral bacteria. While bacteria will always be in our mouths, proper oral care and habits can protect against and reduce the effects of some harmful bacteria."

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-17 08:37

      Yuch! But thanx for lecture on oral hygiene

      Msika - 2012-07-17 08:55

      Wow!! Give this aristar.aristary an honorary degree in medicine.

      stanley.marries - 2012-07-17 09:08

      Bullsheeet...you watch too much Discovery channel!!..don't be gullable and believe everything you see or hear..if those statistics were true,we all would have rotten teeth to the core...100 000...1 million...1 billion...lmao!...

      chris.cunning.14 - 2012-07-17 13:27

      Aristar: You didn't list your references, now I can't believe you :-(

  • hamish.drake1 - 2012-07-17 08:35

    Yet another reason they can stick their train

      Dave - 2012-07-17 08:42

      Then you can gladly make use of dirty , smelly , dangerous and unroadworthy taxis or busses.....

  • sngwanathi - 2012-07-17 08:36

    Gautrain my foot, what a gum you can't be serious.

  • sngwanathi - 2012-07-17 08:36

    Gautrain my foot, what a gum you can't be serious.

  • gregory.wellsclifton - 2012-07-17 08:41

    There are taxi's and putco buses for those who don't want to abide by the rules of a mode of tramsport that offers CLEAN trains. Gautrain - continue to enforce your visible terms and keep the trains classy. That's what we pay for. Well done!

  • Sharon Lansdell Smith - 2012-07-17 08:41

    I had to get my elderly aunt onto the gautrain on sat and we were running late due to her age ... We rushed in there and received no help from the staff there. I had never been there before and did not know where to go..... She missed the train by 1 minute and missed her flight. Maybe if they were not fining people for having gum in their bags my aunt could have caught her flight

      victor.freeman.39 - 2012-07-17 08:50

      You are late, but somebody else must take the blame for you missing the flight. Nice.

      hayley.fredericks.9 - 2012-07-17 08:58

      No, YOU should have arrived earlier to make sure YOUR aunt had enough time to catch the train to the airport in enough time to catch her flight.

      stanley.marries - 2012-07-17 09:02

      LMAO..Typical...why didn't you make sure you are there long before the time?...You seriously cannot blame Gautrain staff because your lack of punctuality!

  • burtfred.brown - 2012-07-17 08:41

    Give an idiot a uniform and a title and he will morph into a dictator. If they were locked in a room for 4 hours, the ladies involved should lay a charge of abduction against Gautrain security.

  • carol.harvey.9406 - 2012-07-17 08:44

    Wouldn't it be wonderful if the law were to be enforced so strictly to the taxi industry. I will have to remember not to chew my gum on the Gautrain !

  • tebogo.lamola.50 - 2012-07-17 08:45

    Poor sisters,can't be fined R700 for a gum

      pmotswai - 2012-07-17 09:04

      im really a gum???????? there are serious crimes out there pls gautrain this is too much ... 4 hours detainment was enough bathong poor kids. typical of security guards..and again they hv put in the damn gums in thier bags wht more were they supposed to do???????????