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'SlutWalk' comes to SA

2011-08-20 14:25

Cape Town - An international protest against the notion that a woman's appearance can explain or excuse attacks has come to South Africa, where rape is seen as a national crisis.

Men wore miniskirts and women draped sexy lingerie over their street clothes during Saturday's "SlutWalk" in Cape Town.

At least 2 000 protesters walked a route where fans partied during last year's football World Cup.

The protest movement originated in Toronto, Canada, sparked by a police officer's remark that women could avoid being raped by not dressing like "sluts".

According to the most recent police statistics, more than 55 000 cases of rape and indecent assault were reported in South Africa from 2009 to 2010.

Comments
  • browngurl_inSA - 2011-08-20 14:42

    It was a great protest and it was wonderful to hear the men shouting out along with the women against rape. Participants and observers alike were very friendly and enthused with the event. There might of been around 100 participants but the energy felt like there was much more!

      TRiP - 2011-08-20 14:46

      Was an AWESOME event, was there and was UBER great. Let's hope the message gets across to the meth-heads and other raping scum!

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-20 14:58

      @browngurl_inSA: Most MEN do not rape. The mindset that VICTIMS are to blame is being perpetuated by the current claims of *cultural heritage* and the *traditional* role of women. This is ploy to diminish women's rights in the eyes of the multitudes by supporting the cultural traditions. Remember the "she did not ask for taxi-fare" debacle? 'nuff said!! @TRiP: I seriously doubt meth-heads have any desire to be raping anybody. How many rapes are being perpetrated by the new jackbooted thugs in SAPS and not reported or, when reported, how many of their criminal colleagues refuse to open the case or take the statements? The practice is more common than you think. Latest episode was the swine that stripped that young girl and took pictures of her on their mobile phones and the nursing staff member that was their accomplice - THAT WAS RAPE - what happened to them? NOTHING!!!

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-08-20 16:14

      There is no justification for rape! NONE at all!!! And as a society we endorse tough sentences for rapists. But, if a woman dresses in a certain way then most men will think certain thoughts... and some men will act on them. These actions are never justified, but if a woman can do anything to prevent rape surely she should?

      wsm - 2011-08-21 20:26

      This type of protest helps b....all. As long as men AND women COMBINED do not become active in taking up the battle with the media and the film industry that is shamelessly promoting free sex and pornography, you can forget about having any impact through this kind of protest action - it only makes some people feel good because they participated, but it's completely and utterly useless... It will not change a thing. The fact is there are men who want to rape. There are also men who are inspired to rape by pornography.There are men who struggle with sexual desires who have a hard time because of half-naked woman in advertisements and in films and on TV. Then there are women who give the impression they are sluts by the way they dress - they are just as guilty in awakening rape thoughts in men, especially is they frequent places where the wrong guys hang out. Woman: Enjoy your freedom to dress as you wish, but remember: if you give a guy the wrong signals, he will grab you, and you will not be innocent in the matter. The whole thing of 'slut walk' is a farce..

      whereu - 2011-08-22 03:46

      What has happened to being responsible for your actions? People have the right to dress as they like in a democracy. You can't blame women if men won't control their hormones. To those who blame women for the actions of men in rape cases, smell the roses and get a life.

      TRiP - 2011-08-22 09:59

      @ohsa.online, you missed my point. In my post I said **Let's hope the message gets across to the meth-heads and other raping scum!**. So, some meth-heads do rape, not all, but the ones that have jack morals, look at the second part of my sentence "and other raping scum", I thought I covered all my ground here.. guess not in your opinion. So, get off your ego horse, I know and understand the scourge of this problem we face in South Africa, Africa and the rest of the world. People just need to realize that you can't go around raping woman when you want to drop your rocks.

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:02

      @ wsm: Your outlook is EXACTLY what this brilliant idea is trying to combat. I)t simply dopesn't cut any ice to lay the blame for rape etc. on "porn", " the way they dress" and so on. I am a full blooded heterosexual male and I am exposed to just these things: Exquisite young women in short outfits, that accursed television set, real life.... and I am not for one second inclined to go out and rape the first person I see. Grow up. People are responsible for keeping their own trousers zipped. If they can't, then blame THEM and not the world in which they live.

      Krush - 2011-08-22 13:19

      What next? Parade young children infront of paedophiles? I agree we should stand up against rape and the most amazing thing is that men stand together with women against this. Is it necessary to call it "slutwalk" and parade around in seductive lingerie etc. to entice a rapist? I don't know. I find that is wrong. If they want to rape they dont care what you wear, they're going to rape you; however, if they have to choose the woman waltzing around in the tiny mini skirt and undies sticking out or the conservative woman they're probably going to choose the chick in the mini skirt. Why? Because men are visual creatures and its what stimulates them. Im female..but seriously, are most women retarded? Wake up - men and women do NOT think the same. Parade around in a skimply little oufit and you're putting sexual thoughts in the heads of men. I'm not saying you can't dress sexy etc, but really, there is a difference between classy, sexy and stylish and dressing like a slut.

      Krush - 2011-08-22 13:29

      @daaivark - yes, perhaps there is not enough evidence that you can say "porn" is responsible for rape. Of course not, all men are not rapists whether they look at porn or not. My question however, is the following: How many women that you see in porn are there because they were forced into it. From sex trafficking, drug addiction, physical abuse etc. When men view porn they allow this to continue. Its your perversion that pays for this to keep going on. Would there be a problem with drugs if nobody used drugs? And yes, the women who partake in this freely to make money are just as guilty, they're exploiting their own kind. So you sit infront of a porn mag and jerk off - and you don't objectify women? So I ask, to all the men who view porn and defend it - would you mind if other men viewed your wives, daughters, mothers or sisters the way you view women when you look at pornography. If you can answer yes to that, if you can truly say "I don't mind if my wife posed nude in magazines for other men to view" or "I don't mind if my daughter participates in a porn video" that I will change my view point on pornography. But I doubt you can, which only makes you a hypocrite.

      Krush - 2011-08-22 13:38

      "@Derek_Hanekom No, let's talk about the slutwalk. Now, I wanna attend as an observer. Might get lucky," Gigaba wrote on Twitter, in response to Deputy Minister of Science and Technology, Derek Hanekom. <---see? so much for helping.

      redrobot - 2011-08-22 15:14

      @daaivark....van waneer af is jy hetrosexual?, please man don't lie to us, we know you.

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 15:22

      Jong, redrobot, dit moet jy maar seker vir al die talle dames in my lang lewensgeskiedenis vra. Of dalk vir enigeen van my drie kinders. En hoe persoonlik wil jy nou wees?

      pierreedge - 2011-08-22 16:32

      Krush, for once i fully agree with you. but i guess we live in a strange world where women seems to think being a slut is simply the in thing, where teenage girls think that showing less than 95.6% of their legs is not cool, where being cool is more important than being serious, where being loud and obnoxious is considered telling it like it is, etc etc

      Ayoba - 2011-08-22 17:03

      Someone need to give us an update next year this time if the march managed to bear any fruits. I doubt. I see such as fun day marches. Sorry but that's my opinion. Tell me about reducing sex content, exposing clothes and nakedness in the media. Then we are talking.

  • THE.SRG - 2011-08-20 15:09

    WONDER WHAT OLD ZUMA THINKS OF THIS

      Neil - 2011-08-20 15:29

      He is running for the shower already...

      GonnyVonYuri - 2011-08-20 18:42

      This is a dumb attention seeking event - criminals/rapists dont use logic..the see something enticing and they act on their instincts. This whole walk is a waste of time - what next? Will banks start marching and telling criminals "just because we have tons of money does not mean you must rob us" ??? Theres a time and a place for every dress sense - you dress skimpily walking past a group of troublesome men then you're asking for trouble. Common sense.

      tryanything - 2011-08-20 19:32

      Gonny ...How many bins did they turn over or burn?????How many street vendors did they rob...?

      alansmart223 - 2011-08-20 23:44

      A woman should be able to dress as she likes without being in danger of being harmed. After all men dress the way they like. As for "culture". I know of no "culture" which propagates or condones rape

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-21 01:42

      gonny...you are a faking twat...i have lived my whole live walking round skimpy dressed woman and i have never had the urge to rape them....have you?

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:03

      Gonny. please see my comment on wsm above. You seem to be hiding under the same rock.

      PrinceCharle - 2011-08-22 12:56

      @GonnyVonYuri - you miss the point - it is unacceptable that the victim is blamed by society instead of the rape being condemned. And blaming the victim makes it so much harder for the victim.

  • Met - 2011-08-20 15:10

    No person in his right mind can possibly support or even think of raping someone. In fact if it does happen, I feel the guilty should be castrated. However, I have serious reservations if this is the correct way to show ones opposition to rape, particularly in a country like SA

      CTScientist - 2011-08-20 15:50

      I see your point. Peaceful protesting in a democratic nation? Unbelievable! In all seriousness Met, you are going to have to elaborate on that point. Because these sorts of peaceful protests raise awareness and show community solidarity as well as opposition on a broader scale in societies where few might be willing to broach the subject at all. Besides.. I think a protest like this is right at home in Cape Town!

      ShanMo - 2011-08-20 16:04

      @ Met - yes, the protest was against rape - but more specifically against the perception that woman ask for it by the way they dress. This global campaign originated in Canada where a police officer said that woman should stop dressing like sluts to aviod being raped. So, this particular walk is in opposition to thoughts like that! I am quite interested to hear what you feel is the 'correct' way to stand against rape and peoples perception that women deserve rape if they dress in a paritcular way? Looking forward to your comment!

      Proefleser - 2011-08-20 16:34

      I agree with Met. We should take into account that rapists are not sane and I doubt if this protest will achieve much more than a feel-good atmosphere among levelheaded people who would anyway not dream of raping, no matter what women wear.

      Met - 2011-08-21 19:41

      SA has more than its share of perverts, and many of them are uneducated. Seeing people, particularly women dressed as I understand they were, may just encourage, rather than the opposite. I am not saying that view is justified- I am simply looking at the realities. And who knows, perhaps that was what the Canadian policeman was trying to say.

  • OZNOB - 2011-08-20 15:58

    REAL MEN DO NOT RAPE- they treat the women how they would like to be treated , with dignity and respect

      GonnyVonYuri - 2011-08-20 18:44

      Tell that to the criminals who give a damn and have nothing to lose.

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:04

      Gonny, surely you mean "don't give a damn"? The polar opposite of what you said.

  • So What? - 2011-08-20 15:58

    One was held in Durban as well today - arranged by the Jes Foord Foundation and supporters. Apparently it was also a success and well received by all. Rape and sexual assault is barbaric to say the least and leaves victims scarred for life.

      Komasa - 2011-08-20 19:48

      Jes was in Cape town.

  • BryanJhb - 2011-08-20 16:01

    Food for thought! An ex gf of mine took fertlity treatment behind my back and fell pregnant and then tried (unsuccessfully) to deny me involvement in my son's life. When the fertility treatment became apparant to me, I felt as if I had been raped!

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:05

      And this is relevant here why?

  • ShanMo - 2011-08-20 16:01

    Durban Slutwalk was great too!!

  • therealmakoy - 2011-08-20 16:11

    This issue of rape is nonsense, yes rape is wrong but what is the cause? when you are walking around half naked in the street for all to see and you are enticing men then what do you expect? they will want sex and if you dont give it then there instincts and hormones may take over for them, then what? you want to cry rape or complain?

      Commissioner - 2011-08-20 17:53

      So who has the problem, they for dressing as they see fit on the day, or YOU for allowing your hormones to override your sense of right and wrong? If you feel the need to rape the lady then you are the weakling in the saga. By the way, would you like explaining to me the rape of four- and ninety-four-year-olds? Asking for it? And does any twenty-four-year-old walk out of her house hoping she'll be raped today?

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-20 18:50

      You need help.

      Mya - 2011-08-20 18:57

      Dont fuss over him Commissioner, I think he is just a troll looking for attention, that or its Mr Zuma himself trolling this site.....

      Neil - 2011-08-20 19:07

      @therealmakoy: I take it going to the beach is out of your books then? Stupid comment. Not so real are you McCoy?

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-20 19:15

      @N - another sicko!

      ariete - 2011-08-20 19:34

      @the real amkoy I think you are the real A$$hole - so we must condone those scum who rape babies and childern because their hormones were working overtime?

      Komasa - 2011-08-20 19:55

      @therealmakoy come into the open and tell us this is based on your christian beliefs, that a woman gets what she deserves. Instincts and hormones have nothing to do with it, if you want to behave like an animal go into a private space and relieve yourself.

      Epicurius - 2011-08-20 19:57

      @therealmakoy - And why should yours or any other man's lack of impusle control be women's problem? The cause lies with the rapist, not the victim.

      x - 2011-08-21 17:45

      Please don't feed the trolls.

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:06

      Boy are you out of touch with the real world.

      Lost 4 Words - 2011-08-22 11:06

      therealrapist ... rape is not a crime of passion but of control and hatred.

      PrinceCharle - 2011-08-22 12:58

      @therealmakoy what you said is the reason for the slutwalk - you blame the victim instead of blaming the rapist! You say, you got what you deserved for dressing like that. See?

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-22 13:56

      rapist

      Fedup - 2011-08-22 14:19

      OK Dick head and if your at home in your P.J.s (in my house we wear boxers and t shirts) and that would be considered walking around half naked, does that give them permission to rape us when they break into my house????

      Widow - 2011-08-22 15:01

      Maybe in your backward culture it is a woman's duty to fulfill the needs of the man... welcome to the real world hunny where NO means NO!!! If you don't like it... TUFF!

      Themba Thwala - 2011-08-22 19:01

      the realmakoy opt for castration then if you can't zip it up

  • Newsferret - 2011-08-20 16:17

    Clothing has nothing to do with it - it is mindset.

      GonnyVonYuri - 2011-08-20 18:46

      When study mindset of a criminal you will understand his thoughts of rape are amplified by seeing a skimpily dressed woman compared to a decently dressed women. Humans have sexual instincts - educated/good humans are disciplined and can control their urges - unfortunately criminals can't and dont care. So dressing skimpily is going to get women into trouble if in the vicinity of criminals

      N - 2011-08-20 19:08

      Disagree. Walkin g around showing your assets is an open invitation. Why else do it??

      tryanything - 2011-08-20 19:35

      So all the girls on the beaches in skimpy Bikinis are sluts then??

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:08

      News for youy Gonny. Rapists walk among us and are indistinguishable from the rest of us. They do not necessarily walk about sporting prison tattoos etc. Rape is committed by fathers, mothers, the boy next door. You really need to think now and again. It is quite a useful exercise.

  • Doublepost - 2011-08-20 16:21

    Just a question for people. If you believe that women who dress like, for lack of a better word, sluts do not deserve to be raped because they dress like sluts. What do you say to a person who is robbed or murdered for being in the wrong place at the wrong time which is a commonly used term for being in a dangerous area. Now, before anyone comes at me with daggers, I don't for one moment believe rape is justified, in fact, I despise anyone who rapes with not one thought of forgiveness for them. What gets me is that dressing provocatively is done to attract the opposite sex or perhaps to look good. So, if someone is stupid to be walking around a dangerous place and gets mugged or killed then why is a women not held to the same standard. Seriously, if you dress provocatively, surely you can expect to be eyed by men. And that of course means that you will also catch the eyes of monsters, masquerading as men, which will lead to that women being raped. I guess what I am trying to ask is what does the Slut walk hope to achieve? Most men don't rape women. I myself cannot even understand the reason for raping. I want a girl to like me and want to be with me, if she doesn't, raping her ain't going to make me feel any better. I guess that's just me, huh? I would rather focus on proper training of police and getting the conviction rates and rape reporting standards up by using the existing laws. Maybe even increase prison terms for rapists as a measure to stop this!

      Nifty - 2011-08-20 18:04

      Yes, true. While I do 100% agree that rape is totally wrong and men deserve to be shot for doing that, what is the point of these SlutWalks? To raise awareness that girls can dress anyway they want, even if essentially all they wear is a belt for a skirt and then expect not to attract the wrong type of men? I mean for pete's sake, by all means go to a club dressed like a skanky ho and then act surprised and indignant when you attract all the dodgy guys who are only after one thing? Just because you have the right to wear what you want doesn't mean you should. I have the right to go anywhere I want but you won't catch me walking around in Hillbrow at night. Have some common sense girls. And FYI, I am female...

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 18:06

      Exactly, couldn't have put it better myself, might sound harsh but it's common sense and logical.

      Mya - 2011-08-20 18:59

      Doublepost... I am curious to know what should be appropriate clothing for women to wear? What would you consider innapropriate? There are parts of the world where women merely need to show a flash of ankle or wrist to warrant rape, is that their fault? If I want to walk down long street cape town in a denim mini and tank top in the middle of summer, is that too slutty?

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 19:05

      Mya, it's called balance. I don't see a women wearing a dress as inappropriate and I mean the short version, not the Victorian dress up! What I have an issue with is the direction this walk seems to be taking. Your blaming people who have more "conservative views" rather than the people who commit rape! Let me cut it down to one sentence. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RAPING DON'T GIVE A FLYING CR@P WHAT YOU'RE WEARING! Got it?

      Mya - 2011-08-20 19:11

      So much anger, are you feeling provoked? Hard to control? And this is just a forum...imagine the women that provoke you in real life.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 19:22

      Lol Mya, you think that was anger? No, it was in Caps to get a point across. You really believe a rapist cares if you're a slut or not? Do you think they really think to themselves, "Oh, this women is wearing almost nothing, let's rape her!" Really? They don't care, they just want sex! However, Mya, continue to believe that I am provoked by your mindless chatter, your sexual revolution or whatever but the fact remains that I'm not. You and I both know that by the time you've had your "fun" you will be old, a hag, surrounded by cats and have no children or a loving husband. All because you wanted to be an "Independent Women" and you didn't realise that to be a women you were meant to find a MAN! And Mya, I know what you believe because you displayed it oh-so aptly on the circumcision article!

      Komasa - 2011-08-20 20:34

      And those right in front of the 'Sluts' march today had DA t-shirts on. So how must we interpret that? Your justifications has some deeper meaning and I believe it is religious.

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-21 08:48

      @DoublePost: unwittingly your post highlights the very problem in South Agfrica at the moment, and I know that was not your intent but hey, you hit the jackpot with a lucky call. There is a VICTIM mindset being promoted in South Africa at the moment and it is geared towards making VICTIMS somehow feel that they have contributed to the criminal acts against them. Women wearing skimpy clothing, so what? Does that give anybody the right to rape them? EMPHATICALLY NO!! The same applies to walking around your suburb or one less savoury, does this give anybody the right to rob or molest you? EMPHATICALLY NO!! The Police media reports that are released are insulting to say the least and encourage criminals as they like seeing victims get blamed for their criminal acts. "The public should refrain from leaving valuables in their cars. This negligence is the cause of the increase in theft of property from vehicles." What a load of rubbish!!! The "public" have every right to leave their valuables/belongings/personal effects in their vehicles if that is their choice. It's THEIRS. The CRIMINALS HAVE NO RIGHTS to just break into a car / house and steal things. This guilty victim mindset should stop. Imagine a 50kg female saying no to her would be 110kg rapist when he says "GIMME, BITCH", then imagine the same 50kg woman saying NO! from behind her 9mm Smith & Wesson MP9c, I wonder who the BITCH will be then? NO TO RAPE! NO TO VICTIM DISARMAMENT!

      PrinceCharle - 2011-08-22 13:04

      @Doublepost - so it was the fault of the person who got mugged? Would you say the person deserved to have been mugged? I can guarantee you people have said about rape, "Well she got what she deserved by dressing that way". Which is fundamentally wrong, no one deserves to be raped! And that is the point of the slutwalk, to remove the blame from the victim. Instead of blaming the victims we should be supporting them.

      theo_dore - 2011-08-22 13:34

      @doublepost: actually the personal nature of your attacks on mya makes it seem like you are getting very angry indeed. So I will have a go at some mudslinging myself: have you find your mousy servant wife who will wipe your bottom for you yet, or are you still looking? Some of us here have enough confidence in ourselves that we can handle women who have their own identities.

  • Thingamebob - 2011-08-20 17:06

    Rape is about power. women dressing up and saying NO is about power. Men raping them is about power. If you stick your hand in a lions mouth, it will get eaten. Dress how you want and play games as much as you want but some-one is going to win the "power" game.

      GonnyVonYuri - 2011-08-20 18:49

      Exactly- can you imagine a march by people who got robbed carrying a million rands openly in a township? That would be asking for it dont you tink? Same with women who dress provacatively in front of criminal men.

      Mya - 2011-08-20 19:15

      Drive a nice car and you will get hijacked?

      GonnyVonYuri - 2011-08-20 19:21

      Mya - of course! if you drive a nice car in a township or any area known for criminality then yes you stand a damn good chance of getting hijacked. Same way u dress provocatively walking past troublesome men - you're gonna get yourself into trouble. Only a dumb women would dress in a mini skirt and walk past a group of lowlife men and expect nothing to happen to her.

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-21 08:59

      @gonorrheaVonSomething: In your limited fashion you seem to indicate that only township people will rob others, that only uneducated people will steal / rape? As far as dressing provocatively is concerned, and how it causes rapes, please elaborate your definition of provocative and how it causes rape? @Carmen: those who state that dressing in a particular fashion causes rape are attempting to justify their base behaviour and are most likely to have raped somebody themselves. When questioned they will say things like, "But she enjoyed it." or "She asked for taxi fare." So they will condone rape now, and will continue to condone it until the media victim guilt propaganda is changed to a victim empowerment one instead.

  • Carmen - 2011-08-20 17:18

    I attended the CTSlutwalk today. The support was awesome. I'm shocked to read that there are people who still believe that dressing in a certain way invites sexual violation. The fact is a healthy, beautiful woman is going to be attractive to a man (hetero), no matter what she wears - it's how we are made. So what's the answer to prevent rape? Balloon to size 50? Don't leave the house? Have absolutely no interaction with any man? Cover ourselves from head to toe - actually, no, we know that doesn't work! How about if rapists do not enact their intentions, if a rapist makes the decision not to rape? Might that reduce the incidences of rape?

      Proefleser - 2011-08-20 17:24

      Rapists can't stop themselves, so don't ask them to be rational. The answer is the full power of the law and heavy penalties, life imprisonment would be reasonable.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 17:56

      Carmen, you cannot reason with a rapist. That's the whole point of why some of us disagree with the idea of a "slut walk." We don't disagree with it because we think women should be raped. Quite the contrary, some of us just believe you're focusing your energy in a place that will do little good. Rather toughen up on the ways and means of catching rapists and then getting those convictions through with tougher penalties, including the death penalty for those that have zero chance of rehabilitation. Please Carmen, don't think because we disagree with the "slut walk" that we agree with rape. It's simply not true at all! Even the name says it all. SLUT WALK, you're inviting condemnation and then scream foul when someone points it out. A slut is not something to look up to, I'm sorry, no matter how much prostitutes and promiscuous women try to persuade otherwise. A women shouldn't be raped, no matter what! Just stick with that and your support base will grow astronomically, over night. Include the "slut" and those with conservative views will shut themselves off from your plight.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 18:04

      And yes, I do realise that the "slut" is not meant to be actual sluts but instead is referring to a statement made by an Islamist in Canada about women wearing revealing clothes and such. However, that's not my point at all. The "slut" in Slut walk is used because it brings with it a SHOCK value and that's what I disagree with. It's as if you're blaming people with conservative views instead of the real perpetrators who prey on weak victims. They are monsters and you cannot reason with them! I hope you can understand why some of us have issues with the name and realise it has zero to do with wanting to undermine your efforts in anyway.

      CTScientist - 2011-08-20 18:16

      @ Proefleser and Doublepost: You are both working on the assumption that rapists cannot see reason, cannot stop themselves, and do not adhere to the same moral compass. Could you please direct me to where you're getting this drivel from? Are either of you psychologists? Do you have access to criminal behavioural reports? I do not. And I do not think I could begin to speak for these criminals. So unless you can present me with the universal bill of mentality for all rapists, I doubt you can as well. Alternatively, it is important to realise that these protests are not always literal, thus "SlutWalk" implies that a woman should be empowered and safe to wear whatever the hell she wants to wear, regardless of anyone else's opinion and/or worldview. In addition to this, the garments that any woman chooses to wear does not invite the violation of their very human rights. Keep in mind that this walk serves a purpose in multiple spheres. Some of which you both clearly do not understand. Yes, Rapists should be put in jail. But when you, Doublepost, state that "just stick with that and your support base will grow astronomically" I have to disagree. Rape has been a continuous crime perpetuated since the Classical Era. It will not just go away. That is an absurd remark. Clearly these protests are aimed at the very apathy you post here. The name Slutwalk challenges the hegemonic doctrine of male consumption and historic domination of female bodies. It is an apt use in this context.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 18:34

      @CTScientist You see, once again you miss the entire point and jump straight to your own biased conclusions. No one said women deserve to get raped because they wear skimpy clothing. Did you maybe read my question above? If someone walks around Hillbrow at night and gets mugged and then shot. People disagree with the crime that he was killed but they will always state that he was stupid to be "walking around Hillbrow at night!" In other words, he was asking for it. Women in skimpy clothing, walking around town, going from club to club, getting drunk are putting themselves in extreme amounts of danger are thus acting "stupid." You cannot expect law abiding citizens to do much when the person is putting themselves in that danger, much the same as walking in Detroit City at night in America. Just exactly what do you expect "slut walk" is going to accomplish? Major educational pushes to teach rural folk that rape is wrong? Being done by the way, your "slut walk" ain't responsible for that one. Or maybe an increase in the police force allocated to rape victims? Already tried, but the police force these days is hopelessly useless, more so with rape victims. So, what exactly is it you hope to achieve? Make Conservative people feel ashamed for wanting to maintain their dignity and that of their children by saying you shouldn't dress like a "slut?!"

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 18:41

      And Ct whatever, are you in fact stating that a rapist is a well functioning human being that doesn't suffer from a mental illness or are you merely saying that it's a curable mental illness and they just need to be reprogrammed and can then enter society as normal functioning human beings? I work on the assumption that 99.9% of criminals cannot be rehabilitated but that's just my own opinion!

      GonnyVonYuri - 2011-08-20 18:50

      CTScientist in a first world country, perfect world your ideas will be great. In reality they will fail dismally.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 18:55

      "Keep in mind that this walk serves a purpose in multiple spheres. Some of which you both clearly do not understand. Yes, Rapists should be put in jail. But when you, Doublepost, state that "just stick with that and your support base will grow astronomically" I have to disagree. Rape has been a continuous crime perpetuated since the Classical Era. It will not just go away. That is an absurd remark. Clearly these protests are aimed at the very apathy you post here." You see here is where my point comes across quite frugally. You are blaming conservatism with the problem of "rape." When in fact, in most Western Countries, due to Western Values, rape is at its lowest and has been for a number of years. Lately though, with the increase in immigration, crime has suddenly made a massive return but that's another debate! Why should I agree with a women dressing like a slut? I'm certainly not going to rape her but nor am I going anywhere near her for fear that she is nothing but a slut! Dressing, like body language, sends a message and to pretend, like you are here, that is doesn't isn't being very clever. I choose to associate with pretty women who don't dress like sluts or act like them because their chances of being raped, not be me but by someone else when I cannot protect them, is FAR, FAR LESS! It's common sense, dress and act a certain way and you shall be treated in that way. What's not to understand here?

      CTScientist - 2011-08-20 21:53

      @Doublepost: "You see, once again you miss the entire point and jump straight to your own biased conclusions. No one said women deserve to get raped because they wear skimpy clothing." No. No one did say that. I didn't, either. You, sir, are attributing me with something that I haven't written anywhere on this post. All I pointed out was that it really shouldn't matter what you wear. At all. "If someone walks around Hillbrow at night and gets mugged and then shot. People disagree with the crime that he was killed but they will always state that he was stupid to be "walking around Hillbrow at night!" In other words, he was asking for it." They will always state that? Really? Well I wouldn't. It is a sad state of affairs that anyone would say that. To think.. that you'd get blamed for walking around at night. The thought. I think the analogy is rather unfair here, considering that you are comparing apples with proverbial pears. You should be comparing a protest in Hillbrow with a protest in Cape Town, one concerned with being able to walk around without being killed, the other with being able to walk around without getting sexually assaulted. Both, I think, would serve a similar purpose. That you actually think that a dress style means woman are putting themselves at greater risk is.. beyond my ability to comprehend.

      CTScientist - 2011-08-20 21:54

      @ Doublepost: "Are you in fact stating that a rapist is a well functioning human being that doesn't suffer from a mental illness or are you merely saying that it's a curable mental illness and they just need to be reprogrammed and can then enter society as normal functioning human beings?” No. Did I say that? I was only pointing out that you probably have absolutely no idea how the mind of a rapist works, unless you happen to have some psychological insight after thirty years intense scientific study. Which, judging from your comments, you most certainly do not. And I pointed out, as well, that I have absolutely no idea how the mind of a criminal would operate.

      CTScientist - 2011-08-20 21:55

      @ Doublepost: “You see here is where my point comes across quite frugally. You are blaming conservatism with the problem of "rape." When in fact, in most Western Countries, due to Western Values, rape is at its lowest and has been for a number of years. Lately though, with the increase in immigration, crime has suddenly made a massive return.” I am blaming no one, lad. Is there a part in my post the explicitly blames conservatism? No. I am pointing out that these crimes happen everywhere. These are crimes which are about power and domination, a recurring theme around the world. Your ethnocentricism does you a disservice even as now you equate a very global crime with a particular subset of international citizens. That isn’t a debate. It is pure BS. And blaming woman for the way they dress after a rape occurs is the point here – as it happens. And these marches address that specific issue!

      CTScientist - 2011-08-20 21:55

      @ Doublepost: “I'm certainly not going to rape her but nor am I going anywhere near her for fear that she is nothing but a slut!” This is exactly the point. You standards. Your fear. Your worldview. Your opinion. Your judgment. You dominate the female body even now, without their voice ever filtering through. These marches address that issue! And it is ludicrous that people actually think that the way someone dresses implies some sexual orientation each and every time. Your ‘western values’ are as much an ideological tautology as any other ‘values’ which present absolute morality. You leave no room for the lived experiences and perceptions of anyone else. Almost seven billion people in the world.. and how many of those do you think are ‘Western’, with your particular brand of perception? I do not know that count.. but I can guarantee you that you are in the minority.

      Flamewulf - 2011-08-20 22:40

      Funny, Doublepost et al are using the very same logic as Jacob Zuma. "Oh, the woman got it because she dressed provocatively." Genius. Pure genius! Not.

      Hjominbonrun - 2011-08-20 23:16

      @Flamewolf People must learn to take precautions in life. Lock the door of your house, have burglar bars, don't advertise your belongings to the world. Why are women excluded from this sort of preventative behaviour? There are measures they can take to avoid becoming a statistic.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 02:48

      @CT, your thinking is not based in reality. There are cruel people out there that will take advantage of women. By wearing skimpy cloths you will attract attention. To brush that aside as if it's absurd isn't going to help anyone. Why are you getting so uptight when people are trying to warn women and help them? Do you really believe that those of us who speak up against dressing like sluts are rapists or support rapists? I don't believe that, so there has to be another reason? I have tried to explain how I see this matter by using examples but that doesn't seem to work. I have tried pointing out that I detest rapist down to my very core! I have tried my level best to describe that I don't agree with women being, acting or dressing like sluts but that I still respect their right to. I just will not interact with them. I have been entirely reasonable in this debate, yet you seem incapable of even acknowledging that it is a debate and actually go further by telling me that I am trying to "dominate" the female body, which is the funniest cr@p I have ever heard! For your information, I adore the female form and have no interest in hurting any women for my "pleasure." I get far more real pleasure from being with a women who wants to be with me by her own wishes. That still in no way detracts from my opinion that I do not agree with women dressing like sluts and I will continue to warn those I love in order to protect them to the best of my ability!

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 02:55

      Tell me, Flamewulf, how is trying to explain oneself and pointing out where one feels that people, women especially, are walking into danger without taking the proper precautions, make me like Zuma? No where have a justified rape at all! I have not justified anyone else who says wearing skimpy cloths gives someone the right to rape a women. I have not said these things at all! All I have done is point out that wearing skimpy cloths can increase your chances of being raped. When did pointing something out become similar to committing a crime or justifying it?! Seriously folks, you are out of kilter. Come back to reality, we don't live in a world where people are all respectful and respect others rights to do as they please. We live in a world full of predators and I believe that it is in a women's best interest to have ALL the facts available to her so that she is as protected as she can be and therefore does not have to live through the ordeal of rape! But if your condemnation is the "punishment" I must suffer for at least letting the few women who did take the effort to read my posts, then it was WORTH it!

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 03:04

      Here CT and Flamewulf, this is what I believe. I don't believe a rapist rapes because someone has skimpy cloths on, not for a second. However, by wearing skimpy cloths and acting like a "slut" you do bring unnecessary attention to yourself and thus predators, i.e. rapists take notice of you and then plan to RAPE you! Is that enough reasoning to warn women and young girls. You sure bet your a@@ it is!

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-21 09:03

      @doublepost: Your statement "Why should I agree with a women dressing like a slut?" needs some clarification please. Please explain how a *slut* dresses and according to what or whose definition is this sluttish. Thank you.

      CTScientist - 2011-08-21 09:23

      @ Doublepost: By domination, I do not imply physical domination. I imply the domination of the female 'form' which has been hegemonic for centuries all around the globe. You decided what the form of a 'slut' is and you decide what the form of a 'decent' woman is by judging their bodies, their style of dress. That is domination! It it inherent in the way you think, in the way you act, in the way you speak. You, sir, are ethnocentric to your deepest core. There is nothing wrong with that. But your views are only the views of a male in a male dominated society which perpetuates this framework of domination. There are voices out there, of women, who carry significantly more weight than yours. And they have the right to dress as they want, free from your stereotypical judgment! My point remains - you have no idea why a rapist would rape. You base your logic that a woman who dresses a 'certain' way becomes more of a target. To all rapists? Everywhere? You know how they operate? You have studied them for years? No you haven't. You have no idea what triggers them. You have absolutely no idea why they do what they do. So you cannot point at a woman clad in a specific outfit and say "you are making yourself a target". That is YOUR opinion. YOUR worldview. YOUR 'western' value bias. The reality is that you have no idea what triggers a rapist and why they do what they do. Further to this, you are not qualified to hazard these guesses.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 12:22

      CT, well then I don't think there is much more to talk about. You have your opinion and I have mine. Neither will change. Furthermore, have you never thought of the phase, to catch a criminal, one must think like them? That obviously doesn't mean that you know exactly what they are thinking and when but you can sure put yourself in their shoes. Explain to me, why exactly you would NOT be putting yourself in danger by wearing skimpy clothes and acting, let's not use the word "slut" but instead, exuberantly, would that change your mind, probably not? There would be another excuse and another reason to scold my beliefs but that's why your here, isn't it? Not to stop rapists but guys like me. Who believe in a worldview different to yours. And that dear friends, is why there is a problem with your "slut walk." Not because rapists are right but simply because you are not targeting rapists or people thinking about committing rape but instead you are trying to change people's views on how a women should be able to dress! You're once again forcing your world standard onto people who don't want it or need it. So what if some guy in Canada said women should dress more appropriately? Maybe they should and maybe they shouldn't, that's their choice and probably to a large extent governed by the community value system that they are living in. You know what, it still ain't going to bring the rape rate down and that inevitably means your "slut walk" will be a FAILURE!

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 12:48

      "And they have the right to dress as they want, free from your stereotypical judgment!" They are free of my "stereotypical judgment!" I have no say in how they dress which is rather funny since when I simply state my views or a policemen states his, all the women stereotypically judge him and me as Chauvinistic pigs! Talk about a kettle huh? Instead of having a free world with people having different views we have a liberally progressive society that scolds and condemns people for holding a different view. It's all in your statement. "There are voices out there, of women, who carry significantly more weight than yours." Never in my life have a heard such hogwash! No women's voice should carry more weight than mine, right? Just as much as my voice shouldn't carry more weight than theirs. So, your statement is actually sexist, is it not? You will probably say you were talking about women in higher job positions than me or perhaps in governmental positions or multi-national corporations but that point is moot. In their job or on the podium they would indeed carry more weight than me but not because they are a women but because that is, hopefully, what they have worked for. However, as a man my voice carries or should carry the same weight as theirs and that's what we are talking about here, not a women who has a higher position than me at the moment! I have every right to critisise this "slut walk" without the fear of being called a "rapist" or a "pig" for doing so.

      CTScientist - 2011-08-21 16:14

      @ Doublepost: "Furthermore, have you never thought of the phase, to catch a criminal, one must think like them? That obviously doesn't mean that you know exactly what they are thinking and when but you can sure put yourself in their shoes." A) Are you the law? B) You cannot place yourself in their shoes. You are not in the same context. You do not share the same behavioural/cultural/psychological elements. You can only create a hypothesis. But I do not see you testing these... "You're once again forcing your world standard onto people who don't want it or need it." No. We're pointing out that there are different worldviews and that we should be tolerate whatever dress code women which to adhere to. No one dress code should say "rape me" more than another. It is about advocating tolerance. You can have your worldview. But be aware that others exist. Dressing a certain way only implies vulnerability because certain people think that a dress code implies some sexual provocation. "Never in my life have a heard such hogwash! No women's voice should carry more weight than mine, right? Just as much as my voice shouldn't carry more weight than theirs. So, your statement is actually sexist, is it not?" We're talking about a woman's body. Not yours. Of course their voices carry more weight. As far as I am aware.. no woman is community property.. right? Well there you go then.

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:10

      Doublepost: Sheer volume still doesn't make you right.

  • Malcop - 2011-08-20 18:15

    Its a great idea, and definitely gets the point across. Now why dont they all go and do one of these protests in Dubai.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 18:17

      Dubai ain't really that bad. They are rather lax about women and covering their faces. My cousin lives their with his family. His children attend an International school and receive an education there, second to none!

      Komasa - 2011-08-20 20:43

      Your whole life style in Dubai is 'international' out of site of the locals. If you lived under the same law's you would not go there. Hypocritical moral acceptance of western friendly muslim states.

      alansmart223 - 2011-08-21 00:34

      Look at the rape stats from the '70's and 80's. I just have. Increases of 3174 % and 4812 % in comparison with 2009.(latest available). Tells us one thing.. Rape was a capital crime then. That tells me that it is manageable with the proper deterent. I am a healthy, normal male and get randy like any other normal male when I see a sexy chick, but never ever has the thought of rape ever entered my mind. I reiterate that a woman should be respected no matter what she wears. That's the standard default

  • N - 2011-08-20 19:03

    Except that women do invite these attacks by dressing (half) nude. No amount of protest is going to change that.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-20 19:17

      Absolute BS! I sure don't see any old women of 85 and older mincing around exposing their bodies, so how come they get raped? How can a piece of shyte rapist even get it up for them? It is absolute immaterial what somebody is wearing, if a rapist is around, they will be raped.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 19:34

      N, no one invites attacks on them but they are putting themselves in danger. It's not even so much the clothes that bother me as women going to places without people to protect them and then thinking they can get drunk and be safe. Life is risky, doing things that make it more "risky" ain't very helpful. That includes dressing skimpy and bringing attention to yourself. You will inevitably attract someone who wants to rape. It's not just the clothes though, it's a whole combination of things that have lead to this issue and one is that we don't have enough protection for women against rapists and I don't think a "slut walk" will cure that problem. A proper change of government that cares about restoring law and order would though, as that means proper training of police and proper security of nightclubs, university campuses and their surrounding areas which would lead to a drastic decrease of rape and the capturing of any would be attackers.

      Flamewulf - 2011-08-20 22:41

      N, you are saying the exact same thing as Jacob Zuma did some years ago.

      Flamewulf - 2011-08-20 22:42

      Doublepost, most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows. Look up the statistics - they will confirm this.

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:11

      Nonsense N. Sheer nonsense.

  • Hjominbonrun - 2011-08-20 19:07

    I agree that rape is wrong in the same way that theft is wrong. But you wouldnt walk around with a wad of cash hanging out of your pocket. The best thing is to hide the cash to avoid the eyes of thieves. And of course, only show the cash in the privacy of your own home to your partner.

      N - 2011-08-21 17:53

      Quite right. How do people Thumb this down??

      meindert - 2011-08-22 10:42

      I'm giving it a thumb down because I enjoy looking at sexy dressed woman. The thought of raping never crosses my mind (sex would be nice though :-) If all the beautiful woman in the world just preserve it for their partner it will make the world a lot less enjoyable! There is where the comparison with cash goes wrong, I don't get much out of looking at famous people material possessions or boring hard cash, but looking at their WAG's is great fun!

      mfundiNdaba - 2011-08-22 13:05

      @N - by clicking the thumbs down icon.lol!

  • Malcop - 2011-08-20 19:22

    doublepost, Lets see how lax the Dubai authorities are if a few hundred slut walkers displayed their forbidden fruits in some of the main streets and public places. Why shouldn't they do it in all the Arab countries for that matter. Nobody has the right to condemn a slut walker. After all,they are only innocently trying to prove a point, and any sensible Muslim/ Arab should be expected to be very understanding of slut walkers.

      tryanything - 2011-08-20 19:38

      Lets just wait it out ...Im looking out for Gautrains no pants day......See how stupid we are then.....

      Doublepost - 2011-08-20 19:41

      No one is condemning the slut walkers for standing up for something. I am saying that the people that they are blaming are not the people who are raping. Making their current campaign useless. In truth, people who think that you are wearing skimpy clothes gives them the right to rape you, should be shot. However, that's not the type of person they are having a go at, is it? No, they are marching against the people who believe that putting skimpy clothes on increases your chances of being raped. That's why I disagree with them!

  • Malcop - 2011-08-20 19:34

    Advertise a new release movie on televesion for months on end, and then cancel the movie forever. I bet you this would upset even the toughest slut walker.Go into Somalia at the moment, drive around with a truck full of food, and pictures of food all over the truck. Then put a sign on the back door, saying please do not steal this food. Its a bit stupid to advertise something that is in high demand, and then expect zero percent interest in the goods. Sex is a high demand commodity whether you like it or not. Dont provide free advertising if you dont intend to freely share the goods. Somebody out there will see the advertisement and be tempted to steal the goods, whether you like it or not. No advert, less temptation, less theft. Fact.

      tryanything - 2011-08-20 19:50

      Try this ......Gautrain No Pants day Everyone wil be wearing long dresses with a label that says 'I have no panties on today". Panties are optional. How are they going to check???

      Mya - 2011-08-21 02:27

      women are hardly "goods", your thinking is warped.

      Zelios - 2011-08-21 13:35

      @Mya It was a metaphor obviously. He wasn't being literal.

      daaivark - 2011-08-22 11:12

      But he was still being deliberately obtuse.

  • Sean - 2011-08-20 22:34

    Did they destroy any cars or loot any shops????

  • Hjominbonrun - 2011-08-20 22:55

    If you are free to choose sexually provocative clothing, you need to live with the consequences that you invite. Expecting society to protect you from your own bad choices is selfish. Going to a club with the most open clothes possible, around a room of hundreds of drunk teens will probably get you groped. It's wrong, but if you wear a hooker's uniform and you are not a hooker, you are just going to confuse everyone. "Clothes maketh the man"

      N - 2011-08-21 17:52

      You're right. How on earth people can Thumb you down is beyond me. Strange world we live in.

  • Hedda-Louise - 2011-08-20 22:58

    Most men don't rape,however there is a tendency nowadays with some women who think they can appear on street half naked all in the name of fashion Call me old fashioned but I still believe if you dress like a slut,you will receive reaction like a slut.My mom and grandmom used to tell us girls to always appear presentable on street and not to appear like someone looking as if you're selling your body around the corner.Perhaps we should bring back eticket and self-respect again then we don't need slut walks

      N - 2011-08-21 17:50

      Exactly right. Well said.

      N - 2011-08-21 17:52

      Bewildered that people can Thumb your comment down.

      Epicurius - 2011-08-21 19:33

      Hedda-Louise - Have you heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

      PrinceCharle - 2011-08-22 13:15

      @Hedda-Louise And once again your comment is the reason for the slut walk. "dress like a slut,you will receive reaction like a slut" So you say that a slut deserves to be raped? That is just crazy, no one deserves to be raped! Blame the rapist, not the victim, support the victim, because someone who has been raped needs all the support they can get. They definitely do not need condemnantion!

  • Hjominbonrun - 2011-08-20 23:18

    Maybe we should raise our daughters better so that they see the value of dressing in a respectful way. Dress like a policeman, people expect you to help them with crime. Dress like a nun, people expect you to help them spiritually. Dress like a prostitute, guess what.

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-21 09:20

      @Hjominbonrun "Maybe we should raise our daughters better so that they see the value of dressing in a respectful way." So they should cover themselves from head to toe, with only their eyes showing, to show respect, hey? And if they don't then we can rape them, hey? Or beat them, huh? That will show them, right? "Dress like a policeman, people expect you to help them with crime." *hehehehe* I am sure you fail to see what you actually wrote with that one. "Dress like a prostitute?" Not being familiar with prostitutes, I will have to defer to your obvious expertise on the subject matter. Anyhow, your entire post is a reflection of your moral turpitude.

      Hjominbonrun - 2011-08-21 11:50

      @ohsa Becoming nitpicky when the overall greater idea is clear just to try and appear plausable? Shame. This is the best you can do I guess.

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-21 12:11

      @Hjominbonrun "Becoming nitpicky" ??? Please explain what was "nitpicky" in my post. "when the overall greater idea is clear" Clear? Why not explain your post regarding the implied support for those who would treat women in a disrespectful manner purely because the dress different? "just to try and appear plausable?" Eish ... you lost me on that one. "This is the best you can do I guess." Well, one basis the level of interaction based on the person being interacted with (Irish enough for you?) so, I guess that is what you rate. And, even at that, it is probably way above what you presuppose you deserve. You actually sound as though you condone rape if certain requirements are not met. Is that so, Hjominborun? Do you condone rape as women are *looking for it* by dressing like "sluts"? Or maybe their hair is cut in the latest style then, would that be sufficient justification for you to rape them? Or maybe their teeth are not quite straight, justification enough for you to rape them? Or maybe their skin is the wrong color, justification enough for you to rape them? Rapists, and people who condone/justify/accept rape for whatever reason, are of a similar psychological bent. Hey, maybe that is reason enough for you to rape somebody? YOUR Mindset or morally reprehensible. YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 12:29

      ohsa.online So, someone who hasn't committed a crime, who hasn't wronged a single person, makes you sick, huh? Simply because they don't have the same view as yours. Why can't you let people decide themselves how they want to raise their family and what values they want in their community? Our society was never based in covering a women from head to toe, so that point is moot. However, there was some governing factor to what was appropriate and what was not. Changing from point to point. You want to argue a silly point about where exactly OUR point lies and miss out the entire reason for why we are posting. Your "slut walk" ain't going to stop rapists, that's a hard fact. And you know this as much as we do and that is why you attack us. Once again you need to find a place to portion blame. And who better than people who stick up for their value system that is different to yours, hey? Who better?!

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-21 15:30

      @Doublepost: A whole lot of what you posted on this thread I could agree with, if I were to be completely open about it. I am not attacking anybody; I am attacking a notion/a mind set/a life style, one that says it is OK to call women names, and to treat them with disrespect based on those names, just because of how they CHOOSE to dress. That ATTITUDE, that MINDSET, that LIFESTYLE makes me sick. I do not support victim disarmament. I do not support anybody or any organization that implies, by their very reasoning, that the clothes a woman chooses to wear justifies any sort of abuse, be it verbal, psychological or physical. It was not "my" slut walk and I may not even support it BUT I support the right of those that choose to do so, to have it. Just as I would support your right to have a "social conscience" walk. Heck, I might even join you. How about an ANTI-VICTIM DISARMAMENT WALK, I would definitely join that one. As far as blame is concerned, when those in power use terms like "She asked for taxi-fare" this sets the tone for the majority so yes, I know exactly where the blame should be placed.

      CTScientist - 2011-08-21 16:18

      @ Ohsa.online Couldn't have said it better myself. That particular mindset is what needs serious consideration, as it has been the hegemonic discourse in male dominated societies since recorded history. It does not advocate any sort of tolerance of a multifaceted and free society who should not fear judgement for how one wishes to dress or express themselves. "As far as blame is concerned, when those in power use terms like "She asked for taxi-fare" this sets the tone for the majority so yes, I know exactly where the blame should be placed." Agreed.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 16:20

      However, ohsa, no one one in this debate has justified any of it, yet our beliefs make you sick. We choose to speak out against what we see as degradation of women. We choose to stick to a moral code that we have set for ourselves. It applies to both men and women. It's called "conservatism" to you. We choose to conserve those "morals" that we believe are healthy to society and that is why we speak against a march that chooses not to target rapists but instead is wanting to force acceptance of dressing "provocatively" as a norm of society. For us it is not, so we speak up, just as you are speaking up now. Funny though, our argument has zero, nada, niks to do with rape or raping but is instead about a dress code. Which is to say, rather silly!

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 16:22

      And your other ideas for walking actually make quite a bit of sense, if I do say so myself. I simply wish people could take a step back and try to focus their anger positively. Rapists are the issue here, stop them and women can technically wear anything they like, right? Just based on their own beliefs, which is perfectly acceptable to me as long as they don't try to force me to accept it.

      Caroline - 2011-08-21 21:07

      @Hjominbonrun - "Maybe we should raise our daughters better so that they see the value of dressing in a respectful way". Value to whom? And respectful to whom? That sounds like raising mealymouthed little doormats to me, instead of independent women who are confident of their own value regardless of what they wear. If women get raped because of what they wear (which is what a lot of posters here seem to be implying, although no-one has produced any evidence), then that is an indictment of a) the rapist and b) a society which fails utterly to stand up for women's freedom and attempts to pin the blame on the victim. Which is apparently what this march was about.

      ousie - 2011-08-22 16:25

      Why don't we raise our sons better instead??? Why is the blame still squarly put on the women? this is exactly what the walk was about.

  • N - 2011-08-21 01:02

    If all those that support this stupid endeavour are honest with themselves, they would thus have no problem little girls showing off their underwear, wearing make-up and booster-bras - after all rape in nothing hormonal... You are all idiots.

      meindert - 2011-08-22 10:53

      Dressing slutty is all about sex and sexual power, and not rape! The combination of that and little girls frankly disgusts me! I don't know how a rapist works, but I understand it's not about sex, only about power.

  • N - 2011-08-21 01:37

    It is actually possible to accept that rape is wrong but so is walking around (half)nude. People seem to think that you should be able/allowed to walk around naked and avoid attention. That's exactly why god (yeah, right) created women to appeal to men and hence to avoid too much attention we introduced CLOTHING. If you as a woman want to go back to walking around naked, good luck, but don't be surprised if you get the attention you asked for.

      meindert - 2011-08-22 14:06

      So woman are not allowed to ask for attention? They have to quietly follow their men? And have no strong opinions? I think you are the idiot here..

      N - 2011-08-22 23:14

      Well, they got the attention they wanted then, in the doomsday scenario!! What kind of attention is your near-naked daughter/wife/mother asking for, exactly?

  • Adele - 2011-08-21 09:16

    so tipial - it is easy to blame the beautiful dressed lady for a sickness and vulgar behaviour from the men who rape and abuse women !!! they can't even stand up for there bad actions and behaviour they still need some one to blame it on - they think we are the weaker but actually if you look at it either way same way WOMAN ARE THE PAST, THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE OF ANY COUNTRY AND WE ARE THE STRONGER !!!

      Hjominbonrun - 2011-08-21 12:00

      No. Beautifully dressed ladies can be dressed decently. Half Naked women are not beautifully dressed. Just provocatively/Sexually Dressed. Additionally, men dressed with open buttons on shirt so that you can see the forest coming out from the top of the stomach is just as offensive, or putting a sock in the jeans, as a better example. All of us should be respectful. You cannot expect default respect. You should earn it every day with behaviour and attire. Men and women.

      Doublepost - 2011-08-21 12:33

      Saying that dressing provocatively might get you into danger and possibly raped is not the same as saying a women who dresses provocatively deserves to get raped. Why can't you differentiate between the two? Instead you will probably want me to define what I mean by provocatively when we all know exactly what we are talking about here!

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-21 15:51

      @Hjominbonrun: Are you for real? You equate, albeit indirectly, that a man putting his socks into his trousers is "just as offensive" as half naked women that are provocatively/Sexually Dressed, therefore, by association, reason enough for rape? You are either a troll or you are JuliArse MalEnema in disguise. If not, you are one sick puppy. PEOPLE have the right to dress as they wish. Most people subscribe to a set of norms that we are comfortable with. You on the other hand, seem to think people should be respected (or not) because of how they dress. Can you not see how alien that kind of thinking is? Can you not see how discriminatory that is? We have to be dog wide when it comes to any sort of discrimination and protect against it for if not, what will we do, who will we turn to, when they come for us?

  • letsee - 2011-08-21 13:33

    Well done.

  • The Oricle - 2011-08-21 15:46

    Clothing has got nothing to do with it. I just can't believe old people and children are raped because they dressed provocatively....

      Epicurius - 2011-08-21 19:51

      Good point Oricle. As Frankie Boyle, Scottish Comedian, jokingly poses - 'Why do paedophiles always have beards and glasses? What is it about that look that children find so sexy?' Some may find the joke unacceptably offensive as it produces a gut reaction ie 'that's just wrong!!'. When you look deeper into it, obviously Franky Boyle doesn't think the kids find the paedophiles sexy, but is rather making a point about the victim having nothing to do with the crime, except being a victim. We just have to look at the way western women are looked at like pieces of meat in places like Saudi and Pakistan, even the 'liberal' UAE. Anyone with an inability to control their urges around women who show more than a few square inches of skin, have their own issue to deal with. Years of religiously influenced sexual repression will do this. Some people can control it and others simply cannot. Don't blame the victims. Of course the same women on the slut walk will be aware of how risky it may be to prance around while dressed attractively in seedy areas late at night. This is not the point of the slut walk. All the self appointed moral guardians need to get a life and worry about bigger issues.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-08-21 20:18

    Doublepost seems to have the most balanced opinion, but his point is missed by many.

  • Fision - 2011-08-22 08:53

    @wsm - So...by your reasoning shopkeepers inspire theft by displaying their ware in a desirable way, ordinary people inspire muggings by having money and people inspire murder by being alive? What special kind of gibbering buffoon ARE you? When a woman says NO, she mean NO! And that means you STOP!

  • Fision - 2011-08-22 09:12

    @wsm : So by your reasoning shopkeepers inspire theft by displaying their wares in a desirable way and people inspire armed robberies by going outside. What special sort of gibbering buffoon are are? When a woman says no, it means you STOP. Its reasoning like yours that is the very root cause of the problem!

  • preshengovender69 - 2011-08-22 09:34

    If someone dress like a policeman you going to think there are a policeman so if you dress like a $lut what do expect a man to think ?

      Lanfear - 2011-08-22 12:03

      Wow, I didn't know that slut = rape victim.

      Moi1980 - 2011-08-22 13:05

      Seriously???? So if your cleavage is showing, you're asking to be raped? If you're wearing a short skirt, you're asking to be raped?? You have a very sick mind.

      ousie - 2011-08-22 16:28

      even if you are a slut, it gives no one the right to rape you... Being a slut is not an invitation to be raped.

  • alison - 2011-08-22 10:56

    Imagine women could go around raping men just because they look sexually appealing. All it takes is a tazergun and some viagra. Sexy men beware! And shame to all the ugly guys who will miss out. Would be interesting to turn the tables to see how many men would be running to the gym in the hopes of being a rape victim

  • Mick5 - 2011-08-22 12:18

    I haven't read all the replies, but: 1. Is rape under ANY circumstances wrong? YES. 2. Does it matter what the victum wore? NO. However the idea of deliberately dressing in less and protraying a slut, I don't agree with. There are other platforms and forums that could be better utilised. Just an FYI if you ever organise a walk, not a slut walk, against rape you might attract a much larger crowd to unite against rape. I fail to understand we need to degregate ourselves as woman further by wearing by it's very word and understanding of 'slut' clothing in order to get a point across? Sounds abit like a mule trying to communicate with donkey. Not very effective at all.

  • PrinceCharle - 2011-08-22 13:11

    "Slutwalk - a radical notion that no one deserves to be raped". That is the point of the slutwalk. People always blame the "slut" - "she was looking for it". How sick is that? So did she deserve it? We should not be blaming the victim, we should blame the rapist and support the victim instead of making her put to be the "sinful slut"! Its the same as saying its OK that the husband raped his wife because she would not give him any. Some would even go as far as to say that is not rape. Once again blaming the victim. That is the point of the slut walks!

  • DSJM - 2011-08-22 13:21

    I really don't think calling it a SlutWalk is going to get the message across in the best way!

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-22 13:57

      Should they have called it a Ho'down?

      DSJM - 2011-08-23 08:33

      @Daemos1 - HAHAAA! Yes, that would have been much better :)

  • WhiteFight - 2011-08-22 14:03

    The punishment for rape should be a night of passion with Winnie. I bet there will be no repeat offenders.

  • shane.jacoby - 2011-08-22 14:09

    Rape is wrong - Period! If I know someone who has just been raped, help the rapists soul if I get my hands on them...

  • WhiteFight - 2011-08-22 14:44

    I must admit I do like sluts.

  • Cire - 2011-08-22 15:10

    2000 protesters draped in Victoria's Secret? the bad guys must be trembling in their boots!

  • daaivark - 2011-08-22 15:24

    Redrobot. You clearly don't know me that well. God, I hope you know your wife.

  • Louis III - 2011-08-22 15:53

    Mmmmmmmm...........I have a new fad that will help. Two actually. One is called the "castrate" and the other is called the "firing squad"

  • Ke maketse - 2011-08-22 16:15

    What is the purpose of this Slutwalk here in SA? In this country most women are raped by people who break into their homes, walking from school, going to/from work in the early or late. I do not see how wearing minis help in this instances? Truth is if a woman walked down the street in a bikini set in broad daylight, most of this rapist scum wil be too petrified to even approach her will wait until after dark. Unless there is a mob they can join to insult and attack the woman.

      Bobo - 2012-02-16 22:38

      I Agree 101% Fact is real men don`t rape..finish en klaar!

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