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Some traders charge to Rica SIM cards

2011-06-30 08:00

Johannesburg - Some enterprising traders are charging people to Rica their SIM and data cards which has to be done before midnight on Thursday, The New Age reported on Thursday.

All SIM and data cards not registered by midnight would be disconnected. Subscribers would have 24 hours to re-connect and the number would be deleted after six months if it was still not registered.

Rica registration is free but according to the daily newspaper, enterprising traders were charging cellphone users between R5 to R10 to register them at townships, street corners and train stations.

Thokozani Dlamini, 26, is alleged to be "running" this business from his home in the East Rand and charges R5 for his services.

"I started the business of registering Rica in May 2011. I registered with Smartcall. They sent me an SMS and I followed the options that were given to me to register people for Rica. It's a very easy process," he told the daily.

Some non-compliant subscribers found the "street" service to be helpful.

"I didn't mind paying R10 to Rica my SIM card. I wasn't asked for proof of residence. I just told them my address and they did it. I didn't have a problem because it was convenient for me," said Ian Nkala.

Cellphone companies said it was unfair for subscribers to pay to Rica.

Comments
  • USSA - 2011-06-30 08:10

    The corruption "just keeps just keeps on rolling...rolling...rolling in South Africa" SING IT WITH ME!

      USSA - 2011-06-30 08:13

      Now if it happened in a middle-class white-owned business anywhere, it would have made the front page of every newspaper and then to court ASAP.

      tigertank - 2011-06-30 08:36

      "Cell phone companies said it was unfair...." Since when did they ever care about "fair"?! They don't seem to care right now as they rip me off two months worth of air time, and weasle their way out with excuses, and keep me on hold for ages listening to their self-glorifying propaganda. Is that fair????

      anti crime - 2011-06-30 09:07

      more corruption...daasy south africa...govt will never learn,the guy's are "maak pas" artists lol

      Vernon - 2011-06-30 09:28

      What's new? In the township you pay a rand on your prepaid recharge voucher.Enterprising isn't it?

  • c1 - 2011-06-30 08:10

    shame

  • ratex - 2011-06-30 08:12

    So the whole point of Rica is now invalid in the townships. Oh well so much for that one.

      USSA - 2011-06-30 08:16

      Jip..what's new? As the science saying goes, "For every action, there is a reaction". However, in SA it goes.."For every legal move there is an illegal one" - truly scientific.

      paulf - 2011-06-30 09:38

      If you live in an informal settlement you can provide a letter and/or affi davit from a school, church or retail store where you receive your post (this letter must be on an offi cial letterhead or have the stamp of the school, church or retail store).Registration must be done in person to confi rm your identity.

      Shistirrer - 2011-06-30 10:10

      Not only townships. I was able to register for RICA in a reputable store in an upmarket shopping mall, using an expired fishing license, on which my address was handwritten by myself (the address happens to be genuine, I'm no criminal). The shop assistant doing the RICA process accepted it because it's a "government document", not really realizing the implications of what she was doing. So the whole process, whether in suburbs, townships or shopping malls, is a farce.

      Umfubi - 2011-06-30 10:31

      This is hilarious, really. You have to have a sense of humour here.

  • Gary - 2011-06-30 08:15

    no proof of residence needed?..........what's the bloody use of registering your sim card then?

      paulf - 2011-06-30 08:21

      They only want to know where the white people live.

      paulf - 2011-06-30 08:40

      All I can say is that there is a lot more to this RICA story that we will never know. Same as the banks with their FICA. I do not trust any of them. There is something behind it all and what it is I would love to know.

      letswai - 2011-06-30 09:02

      this rica and fica . i smell a dead rat here. something is going on.i could not even buy a voucher in sandton city for r200.00 without producing my id book. wtf. do you want to know my spending upto that much. i now want to earn my salary with an envelope. i think iam more safer than the banks stuff.

      Brownskin - 2011-06-30 10:07

      soon we will have SICA...for sex.lol

      ivory - 2011-06-30 14:00

      @paulf It's all part of the NEW WORLD ORDER so no-one can escape their eyes and their claws. They want to control every single person's coming and going...

  • StevieWonder - 2011-06-30 08:17

    Mmmm, and I stood in a queue for an hour and had to provide proof of residence... What is the point of RICA - people are obviously just going to make up an address... So, anyone can buy a SIM card for R0.99 and pay R5 to RICA it, using false information. Again, what is the point of RICA?

      Warren - 2011-06-30 10:08

      The whole point of it is part of governments master plan to keep the honest people umm... honest. EPIC FAIL!!!

  • Julia55 - 2011-06-30 08:26

    I went to RICA mine and my daughter's cellphones yesterday only to be told that they were both registered in May already. I did not register them, nor did my husband, so how the hell are they registered? I was wondering if maybe Vodacom is "automatically" registering those numbers which are re-charged regularly in order to keep their subscribers???? I contacted Vodacom who confirmed both numbers are registered, but they could not tell me WHO registered them. This whole RICA thing is a balls-up - waste of everyone's time!!!

      Snys - 2011-06-30 08:37

      Everything they try turns out to be a mess!

      Craig - 2011-06-30 08:56

      when did you buy these sim cards ? If they were new contracts if might of been automatically RICA'd

      smahlaba - 2011-06-30 09:48

      some operators registered newer phones.

      Julia55 - 2011-06-30 10:36

      Hi Craig - I've had the same pre-paid cell no for over 5 years (I bought my sim card from Pick'n Pay )and my daughter's from Pep about 3 years ago. They can't possibly know our names or addresses

      Aj - 2011-06-30 10:57

      If you take out a new contract it is automatically rica'd when providing details for the contract.

      Julia55 - 2011-06-30 12:09

      I understand that, but not if it's pre-paid. You can but pre-paid starter packs at the check-out point at most grocery stores. Nobody asks you your details

  • Thor - 2011-06-30 08:35

    Well that does it. I'm done being a law abiding citizen. I will now also do what ever I want as long as I can get away with it. Hmmm what is the first one ... illegal power connection (i have an electritian mate) maybe an illegal gun... hell maybe both

      Thor - 2011-06-30 09:25

      Not even... I have had it. I do the right thing. I dont even lie to SARS and all I get is a 30% increase from city of joburg. Crime seems to pay for some... I'm just wondering if its not time it starts paying for me.

  • Made_In_SA - 2011-06-30 08:47

    ""I didn't mind paying R10 to Rica my SIM card. I wasn't asked for proof of residence. I just told them my address and they did it. I didn't have a problem because it was convenient for me," said Ian Nkala. Aaah so us people that have fixed addresses have to provide everything from birth certificates to utility bills and everything in between to prove where we live and who we are? Nice to know we all equal! RICA is a load of shyte, its nothing more than a marketing tool that the industries will use to spam and send unsolicited marketing to us.. Its got screw all to do with fighting crime!

  • Malcolm Naidoo - 2011-06-30 08:48

    Hey, I have no complaints rica-ing :-) Vodacom gave me R400.00 if I rica-ed last month. So, if they do it again, I might just get another R400 :-)

      MrMonte - 2011-06-30 09:25

      You're selling your soul for R400...

      peter the gr - 2011-06-30 10:19

      you damn cheap, buddy!!

      Tinkie - 2011-06-30 11:14

      Hey, that's not fair!!! So those of us who RIDA'd early get nothing? Typical. Procrastinate, do things last minute and get rewarded.

      elbie - 2011-06-30 13:13

      Kak about the R400

      Mishka - 2011-06-30 13:37

      No Elbie. Our Housekeeper, three days after I RICA'd her daughters phone, received this from Vodacom on 19 April 2011 - 'Thank you for registering for RICA. Your Account has been credited with R110.00 airtime.' So, I don't know about R400, and whether they allott different amounts for whatever reason, but Vodacom certainly did give away Airtime.

  • Nesomaniac - 2011-06-30 08:49

    Typical cock-up. When FICA was introduced the banks were pretty strict in requiring proof of residence. Then it transpired that all one needed to do was to trot over to the Municipal Offices where somebody would rubber stamp "proof" of residence. So that lot began to crumble. Now we have the RICA farce. Somebody has to be pocketing big-time cash somewhere along the line for all this nonsense.

  • elize.botha1 - 2011-06-30 08:49

    I RICA'd my sim card before the expiry date last year already, and was charged R20 in shop in Heidelberg to have it done. And as Paulf said - something's going on with this RICA and FICA - BIG BROTHER's watching! This country is so, so sick!

      Kgwadi - 2011-06-30 09:09

      You did not have to pay.RICA is free.Stand up for the right,who else but us (you and me).What I know is that good people are more many than bad but bads get too much attention.

  • Lim The Black - 2011-06-30 08:57

    easy money. This whole Rica thing was f'ed up from start

  • 50something - 2011-06-30 09:00

    Whta is the point of this whole process if people can do it on the street corner without providing proof of residence? This whole thing is a flop as far as I am concerned and will not stop crime. i am sure there is an alterior motive behind the Act, monitoring the honest people.

  • Kgwadi - 2011-06-30 09:06

    I am just concerned with SA attitude,why wait for the last days to RICA whereas RICA has been going on for at least two years now? Eish Mzanzis.

      Thor - 2011-06-30 09:14

      So SA waiting to the last moment is a problem. WTF what about the fact that the the fckrs in the township is rica-ing people without proof of address or is that ok... Eish Hgwadi

      Neles - 2011-06-30 09:45

      I see the "fckrs" in the suburbs going to these dime a dozen cell repair shops to have their RICA done without proof of address as well. Seems the township is not the only home to "fckrs".

      Thor - 2011-06-30 10:16

      Neles... "you see the fckrs..." oh yes really where and when. Do you stand there watching over their shoulders. Do you see this before you rob them or how does it work. Shit if you see them it must be happening. Lets see an article in the news about it. PS i never said only townships have fckrs believe you me the suburbs have some aswell. I am hoever prepared to bet the percentage of fckrs in a suburb vs a township is not the same. Dont come replying to me with your BS go crawl into the hole you crawled out of.... I'm guesing you are a fckr and you feel quilty...

  • anti crime - 2011-06-30 09:06

    more corruption...daasy south africa...govt will never learn,the guy's are "maak pas" artists lol

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-06-30 09:08

    It doesn't surprise me that people have found a way to profit from RICA in the townships - and that in itself doesn't bother me. What does, is the fact that they are allowed to do so with no proof of residence. How can the "authorities" accept these registrations as valid. If anyone is allowed to stand on a street corner and RICA, then anyone should be allowed to issue traffic licenses too - there's no legitimacy in it. Does this mean what they are really interested in is capturing our details for marketing purposes? Can anyone in the cellphone/telecoms industry here comment back maybe??

      paulf - 2011-06-30 09:31

      @2White Stars, from Vodacom. RICA is the Regulation of Interception of Communications and Provision of Communication-Related Information Act. RICA is the new law from the South African Government that requires everyone to register all cellphone numbers from 1 July 2009. Why must you register? • It is a legislative requirement from the South African Government and you must comply with the law. • To make South Africa a safer place. This legislation aims to help law enforcement agencies to track criminals using cellphones for illegal activities.

      smahlaba - 2011-06-30 09:50

      Ya, Maybe it is for marketing purposes. There's alot of money in selling peoples' personal details.

      Made_In_SA - 2011-06-30 09:51

      @paulf... Oh what a load of hogwash! that's a load propaganda bullsh@t spewed by the Gov and the cell providers to gather info on us solely for marketing, SA doesn't have its own Menowith hill nor does it have the ability to track and or tag/ flag criminal's and the conversation they have re crime, yes they can track down a phone if they have been given all the details and that ONLY if the fool has kept the phone with him after the crime? SO how the hell are they going to monitor 40million calls per day to see who is doing what>?

      paulf - 2011-06-30 10:09

      @Nade_In_SA, please do not shoot me, I am only the messanger. I am with you as i also said previously that there is more to it than we think. This information I have posted is what the Act says. I hope you feel a better now.

      Worldwise - 2011-06-30 16:40

      @ Paulf. And just how are the criminals going to be tracked if they don't have to give their real names nor addresses for RICA in the townships if they pay to RICA? The law is an ass. Your absolute support for a stupid law is indicatve of an unquestioning compliance with any authority. People like you make it easy for governments to become "Big Brother". How are tourists with international roaming or wanting to buy a sim card for use while in SA ever going to be able to use their phones? Ever think of that? Neither did the government. Idiots!

  • TreeFarmer - 2011-06-30 09:11

    Everything this government does seems to be to put the screws on honest people and allow the rest of the basterds to carry on doing what they want.

  • Mishka - 2011-06-30 09:16

    Never mind about the 'unfair' to charge for the process, what about the point behind it? If people are able to RICA without proving an address, it truly is a futile exercise. Not that I doubt that thousands of the addresses provided are false anyway. A question I have yet to have answered is this. A traveler arrives from outside of the country on a business trip for a few days and wishes to use a SIM card bought in SA. He provides an address perhaps (this is part of my question) of a Hotel. He leaves and gives the SIM to somebody at the Hotel, and somewhere along the line a crime is committed?????????

  • DandyLion - 2011-06-30 09:18

    My issue with this is that proof of address was not supplied. So how is this project going to stop the crimes that are linked to cellphone users?

      THX1148 - 2011-06-30 10:24

      To answer all of you, if a crime is committed with a SIM card, and the "owner" can't be traced, the registered RICA agent will be held responsible. So it's the agents risk if he does it without suitable documentation.

      Spliff - 2011-06-30 11:53

      @THX1148 -> An "agent" operating from a street corner sounds dodgy enough.

      elbie - 2011-06-30 14:08

      THX1148, do not believe that the RICA agent will be held responsible, ever, for anything. He/she will just content that they were shown a document. Nobody kept any copies of documents that were presented, at least were I RICA'd several different phones, in different places.

  • Isaac - 2011-06-30 09:21

    The network gave the township people the means and ability to rica unsuprviced because they want to keep all their customers at all cost,now how else would a person rica on astreet conner?hey want to keep all their customers at all cost,now how else would a person rica on astreet conner?

  • waterbear - 2011-06-30 09:22

    How do you RICA if you live in a shack and don't have an ID book? They will loose at least 1 milion clients. They will NEVER cut you off.

  • Innocence - 2011-06-30 09:32

    eish wena, what kind of a stupid is this Rica? When I go to MTN last of last week they tell me my phone is already Rica. So I want to understand who put Rica on my phone?

      Julia55 - 2011-06-30 10:39

      @ Innocence - same thing happened to me my dear

  • Sharky - 2011-06-30 09:36

    Attorneys are quite happy to charge you a lot more than this to FICA when you transfer a house - it's the same principal. Ultimately someone has to pay (for these beaurocratice intrusions into our privacy) - and it aways ends up the consumer.

  • marietspeel - 2011-06-30 09:36

    I thought the whole purpose of RICA was to get the cellphone user's detail, i.e. name and residential address. Now you RICA on the street corner without proof of residence. So, why is it necessary to RICA?

  • hemant230778 - 2011-06-30 09:38

    I heard stories of some "shops" in Jo'burg town selling pre-RICA'd SIM cards

  • jeanette.rossouw - 2011-06-30 09:38

    ther is no bloody sense in Rica'ing a phone if no proof of residence is required. This makes all previous processes nil and void. This happens when every Tom Dick and Harry gets to do the job and gets "paid" for it too

  • s.t.sishi - 2011-06-30 09:41

    Just shows RICA is failing already.

  • McDaNife - 2011-06-30 09:52

    I thought proof of residence was one of the criterias for registering

  • TDK1 - 2011-06-30 09:57

    I just told them my adrs. Aren't ppl supposed 2 produce proof of residence?

  • peter the gr - 2011-06-30 10:15

    Cell phone companys don't give a damn about it, as long as the make big bucks, the are one of the most expensive providers you can find anywhere in the world.... a real ripoff!!!!!!!

  • Ingie - 2011-06-30 10:27

    Same balls up as renewing ones drivers licence every 5 years. There are drivers on the road who should not be driving and this RICA thingy..maybe want to see where people live so that they can burglar their homes!!! Just a thought,

  • Mark Cameron - 2011-06-30 10:31

    I was under the impesssion that RICA was supposed to control who owns a simcard, with proper addresses and proof, so that criminals would be caught easily. What's the point if the cellphone companies allow anyone to help them RICA sim's? What type of control is that. This is just a waste of time !!!

  • Ingie - 2011-06-30 10:33

    Stealing from their own kind and the poor.. but though he did jump on the band wagon and use his brains

  • Daemos1 - 2011-06-30 10:36

    This is Satan's doing

  • Crispy_Duck - 2011-06-30 10:56

    "I didn't mind paying R10 to Rica my SIM card. I wasn't asked for proof of residence. I just told them my address and they did it. I didn't have a problem because it was convenient for me," said Ian Nkala. What a joke...and so the criminals will simply go this route and the entire RICA process has now been undermined. Stupid...stupid...stupid.

  • Amanda - 2011-06-30 10:59

    I must say the enterpreneurial skills of some people in this country is amazing ... sadly so is curruption, and how they exploit the man in the street? that is so saddening.

  • c1 - 2011-06-30 11:11

    They will always find a way to capitalize on their own people.

  • Freelance Writer - 2011-06-30 11:44

    What's the point of RICA if all you need to do is tell someone your address without supplying the required documents? Just about as effective as FICA is.

  • Stanley Black - 2011-06-30 11:57

    As a South African this is an issue that I feel is not given the attention it should. It need everyday South Africans to formulate opinions on it and for those opinions to be debated and commented on as a society. www.WeCanDoBetter.co.za is somewhere you can do all that, go check it our submitting and commenting is easy and requires no registration.

  • Richard - 2011-06-30 11:58

    Five bucks is not going to bankrupt me, but on principle I refused to pay. Rica is supposed to be free!

  • wayne109 - 2011-06-30 12:40

    so why did we have to Rica ??? if I told them I live in Alex all is fine !!!

  • OzzyInSA - 2011-06-30 12:59

    A lot of people with 082 numbers have been shut down already by Vodacom including people that have already RICA'd. I expect that tomorrow there will be major problems with all cell phone networks. This whole thing has been mismanaged from the start. That comes as no surprise when it is a government initiative.

      elbie - 2011-06-30 13:35

      No bets on how many properly RICA'd numbers will also be cut off tomorrow. Let's see.

  • Rudi Kay - 2011-06-30 13:34

    "I didn't mind paying R10 to Rica my SIM card. I wasn't asked for proof of residence. I just told them my address and they did it. I didn't have a problem because it was convenient for me," said Ian Nkala." So the whole object of RICA is hereby defeated! Give them any old imagined address, and you're registered. Once again - what a farce!

  • Bullet - 2011-06-30 13:45

    I can undertstand most of you guys frustration but I don't think we understand that organised crime in this country is almost totally reliant on cellphones to conduct they illegal dealings, so the goverment read NIS/NIA initiative to RICA was a way of reducing organised crime activity in SA. My concern is those outlets that are not requesting proof of residence will only attract the crooks/illegitimate users. If the cellphone companies allowed these outlets to RICA without proof then they will have "blood on their hands" for the crime activities that will continue due to cellphone communications.

  • errolsnr.oake - 2011-06-30 16:45

    These street cell phone vendors registering RICA for criminals with no proof of residental address and verbaly using your home address as false and cover up, Becareful the police will land up on your property, looking for drug lords etc and police will also rip your home appart, What are you gonna do then?...

  • Ghorra - 2011-06-30 17:28

    You moan and groan about everything. How did you react when we had to pay for plastic bags. If you are sick of the country, the exit doors out are wide open. A passport cost only R499.

  • Pip - 2011-07-01 07:34

    Pep stores in a small mining town is also charging people to RICA that is also unfair

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