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Spear not about race - Mulder

2012-05-30 21:56

Cape Town - An uproar over a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed was not about race, Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder said on Wednesday.

The public debate on the issue said more about the good and bad state of relationships in South Africa than it did of the painting, he told the National Assembly.

An Afrikaans radio programme held a phone-in programme of an hour about the painting, The Spear, Mulder said.

"Eighty percent of the people who had phoned proposed that the painting should be removed immediately because it is in poor taste and is offensive. The majority of these callers were Afrikaans and white."

Mulder was speaking during the presidency budget vote.

He said in a programme on an English radio channel, callers emphasised "freedom of speech and tolerance".

The participants were evenly divided in favour of and opposed to the painting.

White and black callers were on both sides of the argument.

Mulder said it was "noticeable" that the views in favour of and opposed to the painting were not those of white against black.

He said ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe had immediately seen the painting as "an issue of white against black and as racism".

Mulder said Mantashe saying that the more black South Africans forgave and forgot, "the more they get a kick in the teeth" was irresponsible.

"What an irresponsible statement with which he incites people against each other."

Mulder said Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande, who is also general secretary of the SA Communist Party, had followed in the same tone by "throwing down the race card"

Mulder said Barend La Grange, accused of painting red crosses on the painting, had explained that he committed the act in reaction to the racial argument "to demonstrate as Afrikaner that this is not a racial white-black issue".

"I am tired that certain leaders use the race card in every debate," Mulder said.

"It also goes for journalists who cannot hide their own racial bias in opinion pieces. The past three months there have been a number of these debates. This is short term politics.

"It is lazy politics. It is politics which incite people without thinking about the long term consequences of this for South Africa," he said.

Comments
  • Herman - 2012-05-30 22:05

    Gwede is the biggest racist after blade

      eil33nn - 2012-05-30 22:13

      i think this goes to show that this was not a race issue. Bad taste, yes, but seriously not needed to have been dragged out the way it has. The ANC was using this as a tactict to gain a sympathy vote.

      Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-30 22:24

      The ANC can never unite this country. They can only devide. The most rasist part SA ever seen with the most corrupted party and the most useless president in the history of South Africa.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-30 22:42

      Mulder? #Power to the people

      Denise - 2012-05-30 22:59

      What ANC leaders are doing is play the race card just to confuse and divide.

      Christopher - 2012-05-30 23:00

      Spear not about race - Mulder...definitely NOT!

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-05-31 09:10

      @eil33nn. Its nothing new for the ANC. They will find and use anything to use to get sympathy votes. They have brainwashed them so much and the ANC know that throwing the race card out there will gather them more support. The ANC is the biggest racist party of them all. The whole world knows they are racist. The ANC is gonna cause huge division in SA and to be honest they dont care.

      William - 2012-05-31 09:52

      What does Scully think about it?

  • jodyvford - 2012-05-30 22:07

    Fact is that South Africa is a contry made up of two main societal discourses, on the one hand you find the more traditionalist poin of view that holds the idea that the leadership of the counry should be respected at all costs. And on the other hand their is the more western belief in the ideas of freedom of expression and of rights to be able to speak into a situation that you may fell is a pronblem in the country. 'The spear' was never about race but rather about this situationa and conflicting discourses.

  • Lekke - 2012-05-30 22:09

    I agree with you herman. F. H.

  • Bennie - 2012-05-30 22:10

    The Anc and Mantashe are silly little boys, they have the usefullness of Jellyfish. They never made it in 'n real mans world. They are not competent of handling pressure and solving complex issues and distract the voters with side shows !!

      nicci.a.scholtz - 2012-06-01 00:17

      the anc is like a south african tour bus ... they'll say: "if you look to your left, you wont see the robbery going on on your right"

  • DawidDBBotes - 2012-05-30 22:15

    this stupid painting has had way to much publicity. There are more pressing matters in SA than subjective art.

      Ang - 2012-05-30 23:00

      Yes superficially, but what has the painting shown us about the state of our nation?

  • DawidDBBotes - 2012-05-30 22:15

    this stupid painting has had way to much publicity. There are more pressing matters in SA than subjective art.

  • Margaretha - 2012-05-30 22:17

    I feel so sorry for the people of south africa..so many has forgiven and forgotten and yet so many are in this political mess..if zuma can just be a adult and say this has been dragged out SA would be smiling and ANC would change their stories,,

      Dorothea - 2012-05-31 11:57

      if so many people have forgiven and forgotten, as you claim, then the SPEAR would not have received the attention that it did.... you are wrong. this incident has revealed the racial divides that continue to haunt SA...

      Dee - 2012-05-31 14:12

      Indeed Dorothea. And it is interesting / hopeful that 'conservative white' reaction to the painting is similar as 'traditional black' values. I hope we can transcend the politics of this painting and reach each other as people and citizens - each feeling our respective pain or guilt and fears. Somewhere between all the 'self righteousness' being expressed, there is a common humanity to be found.

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-05-30 22:23

    The painter did not have race in mind. How else should he have painted the idea so that one could say it was not racist? And what about the portrait is a misrepresentation? It simply alludes to what so many people have imagined. If a political figure finds it uncomfortable in the public space then retire to a more calm private kind of existence without the perks. But don't try to bind the rest of society into an enforced pact of moral/political support.

  • Sharon - 2012-05-30 22:24

    The ANC has been pulling out that old tattered race card way too often recently. The painting is symbolic. Symbolic of an ineffective and incompetent government, with an equally ineffective leader. Crude, yes - racist, no.

      Johnny31456 - 2012-05-31 09:40

      Hi Sharon - see my comment on the statue of David. Do you really think Michaelangelo acted in a crude way when creating this piece of art? Please rethink.

  • FIXIT105 - 2012-05-30 22:27

    i dont think this is racist at all, if the genitals were white then its racist., personally i think murrey had a good depictment of zuma, his penis is so loose can have 21 kids and its ok. 7 wifes and its condoned. this country is screwed. thanks to him and his personal needs.

      Livvi Krige - 2012-05-30 23:03

      Exactly my sentiments. This painting depicts Zuma as he is. He is known for not keeping his penis in his trousers, so what is the hooha about?!?!

  • busisiwe.kubeka1 - 2012-05-30 22:29

    The artist is lucky bcoz this is not Russia

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 01:05

      @BOSISIWE, and you so lucky this is not troll land!!!!!!

      johnny.arnold.167 - 2012-05-31 03:56

      You are right busisiwe. This isn't Russia. If you want Russian rules, go live in Russia. You won't get R250 there for having a child there either.

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-05-31 04:35

      Everyone is lucky this is not Russia - atleast the elections are a blatant farce.

      Abby - 2012-05-31 05:36

      He was going to be charged with high treason of course...we are lame ducks in SA

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-05-31 06:45

      How so?....I think you'll find, if you do the very least research, that Russian people have far more freedoms than Zimbabweans...for instance.

      Chris - 2012-05-31 08:02

      And you lucky to. 80% of Russia lives in poverty.

      nicci.a.scholtz - 2012-06-01 00:46

      You people (meaning the black racists) must think before you speak and act. You are more racist than we ever were, why can't you just move forward and not backwards? And why do we, who had nothing to do with apartheid, have to suffer because of other peoples mistakes? for example, I am 21 and I was three years old when apartheid ended, so please tell me what I had to do with it and why I'm paying for it? why can't you decide on whats more important for this country and not just think about yourself? why when you say anything you want it's always fine, but when we open our mouths and actually choose our words carefully and stand up for what is important we are being racist? I know why: it's because you people try to bury the truth to make you sound better to the world but meanwhile you are digging your own holes and it's just a matter of time before you fall into it... why don't you think about that? before you came and talk about Russia as if you know it to try and sound smart. FYI lots of white people weren't racists, but if you call someone a racist enough times, they'll start believing that they are and start acting accordingly, so the people who are calling us racists are also responsible for it.

  • Mantsho - 2012-05-30 22:35

    Imagine if Gwede was Zuma's vise president, the man is so devisive he cannot even realise it, the way he thinks and speak is absolutely appalling!His behavior is nothing of a leader, he behave like a rebel.

      Phillie - 2012-05-30 23:01

      I am starting to wonder if Malenema hasn't got a point in agitating to get rid of these clowns/idiots

  • ross.urquhart1 - 2012-05-30 22:44

    @R3ndi3r ..... Catch a wake up you idiot !!

  • ross.urquhart1 - 2012-05-30 22:55

    That this "spear" painting has grabbed so much publicity and media hype is ludicrous when we got a country entrenched with poverty, sickening health facilities and hardly a proper education system to speak of, just shows us where this governments priorities still lie ........ power struggles, cronism, tenderpreneuring and lip servicing the innocent majority. It's a sad case of bad to worse, day by day.......eish !

  • Lebogang - 2012-05-30 22:57

    This is a conspiracy I think the government is paying News 24 to push this story so that our attention is deviated from the real issues. Next thing E-toll is implimated without us knowing cause we are discussing this stupid spear issue. Its old news Limpopo kids need textbooks, others are in tree schools.

      Ditoa-re - 2012-05-30 23:09

      Lol u r very right lebo, four provinces are running out of ARV's our brothers are dying we are very bussy worried about the painting, everything is at halt till the painting saga is wraped

      theprodigy.brian - 2012-05-31 08:37

      @ Lebogang, yup, now textbooks in Limpopo & EC, tons of medicine destroyed in the EC due to mismanagement while kids are dying, expired medicine in Limpopo for sale while kids are dying & hospitals have no medicine, unemployment out of control, & this is just the tip of the iceberg, & they are protesting against a piece of canvass with ink blobs on it.

  • Ditoa-re - 2012-05-30 23:02

    At one point I will agree with Mulder it wasn't racial thing, but for respect point of view even if the father of the house is a drunkard doesn't mean his child must pour a bottle of beer on his head jus becouse the child got RIGHTS, to have many wives is common to zulu culture, you should have told him from the beggining that since you are putting him as the president you are also taking away his rights to practice some of his Zulu culture including many wives and many kids, as much as other cultures are so annoyed and irritated about his practice, zulu men and women who r in polygamy are also wonder if u don't things to talk about then crying out about zuma and his big family

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-30 23:05

      he might be YOUR daddy, but he's no daddy of mine

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-05-31 04:37

      So is having sex with women outside of his marriages also cultural?

  • mkgatla3 - 2012-05-30 23:12

    Mulder u are wrong! The drawing is racist,why didnt he draw a white guy??? And how can u draw somthing u never saw...he knows his - he should have draw somthin of someone like him,why didnt he draw genitals of terreblache,botha or deklerk??????????????????

      Phillie - 2012-05-30 23:38

      Another flaming idiot !!mkgatla3 the incompetent ,womanizing president is BLACK!!! How can he paint it white Flippen idiot

      Paul - 2012-05-31 00:05

      Because he"s black you chop. Its about the president

      Paul - 2012-05-31 00:08

      mkgatla3 why dont you just go and have a little cry ?

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-05-31 04:39

      Might just have something to do with certain facts? Would be a meaningless picture otherwise?

      Hellie09 - 2012-05-31 06:07

      mkgatla u r an idiot.

  • Andre - 2012-05-31 01:11

    The ANC and their cohorts are beating this dead horse for all its worth. Zuma shown with his dangling bits will be exploited in perpetuity, just like the cursed apartheid word. Of late, black male genitalia has suddenly become something 'sacred' and exposure to broad daylight an unforgiveable sin. Now someone - please enlighten me. For years already, on any week and weekend day, I am confronted, together with my wife - to African males and females openly urinating and defecating in public. They don't even bother to turn their backs to passersby. These distressing, disgusting and shameless habits are not taking place in some hick slum suburb, it happens daily in a "posh, 'Upper" Cape Town suburb in a busy, high traffic road. Now if the mere painting of black genitalia is causing such an uproar, why is it OK for blacks to exhibit their genitalia to all and sundry while performing ablutions? I don't understand this hullabaloo, please explain this to me.

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-05-31 06:53

      They're beating their meat?

      silentcoder - 2012-05-31 13:19

      And would you invite any of these people in to perhaps come and use your loo in private ? If the municipality proposed putting a public loo on the local street corner would you be in favour of that ? The people you point out are mostly commuters who use public transport that takes 4-6 hours a day from their home to their work (or possibly the neighbourhood where they hope they may FIND work). Sooner or later nature's call is going to hit and when your a four hour trip away from your own home (which may or may not have a toilet) ... well you hold it in then, I'd like to see the look on your face by the end of that ! I doubt by the third or fourth time you've been in that situation you'll bother to feel ashamed anymore either. Reality check my friend - they do this thing you do not like because you left them with no other choice.

  • Cindy Mendes - 2012-05-31 02:02

    Murders, rapes, abuse, hijackings, homes being broken in to, rhino pouching, child murders, kids being raped, so many people without jobs, so many people without food or homes... We read about it everyday & see it with our own eyes at every robot or hear about it on the news... This is a real problem in SA and should be a priority and needs all the attention!! A painting about Zuma's small willy or whether it is a racist act or not, i'm sorry this is not a priority, this is not a problem!!!! It's a joke!!! Wake up people!!!! There are more important things out there to worry about!!! Put the same amount of energy in fighting the real crimes in SA so we can make it a better place for black, white, brown and yellow... We are all put together so deal with it... It's not going to change. People need to get over the race thing and move on... We can't change what happened donkey years ago but we can all work on making the future better so that our kids and their kids don't even have to know what the meaning of the word racist is... SA needs healing and that's the only way it will heal!!!

  • ziphok1 - 2012-05-31 06:05

    Mulder, Afrikaans people are not as bad as they made us to believe. They almost like the Zulu's they don't pretend. I can't say the same about other though. Boy I'm kidding lol.

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-05-31 06:28

    For the record he painted the president not a black man .

  • Graeme - 2012-05-31 06:39

    What does JZ himself say? very little - I have not seen one opinion from the man yet

  • raymond.abrahamse - 2012-05-31 07:01

    They use Every opportunity to make it a racial issue.They definately have complex about their colour and they feel inferior,that is why they always make a noise and talk loud and clown around to draw attention and to let you know that they ae aound.

      Kenny Bianco - 2012-05-31 08:19

      It seems it's u with a complex nd paranoia like every English boy in South Africa

  • Bheki - 2012-05-31 07:04

    Yes the hon mulder has a point, this paint was not about racism its about the freedom of painting. Its good to be in SA sometimes cos if it was in other African countries the painter will be dead already. I congratulate the south africans for being so grown up realy apartheid did help to instill tolerance in people. The Hon mulder is not helping here unfortunately he is taking sides he just being a politician just as others did.

      Mthenjwa - 2012-05-31 07:36

      If he painted me like that he wil be without teeth by nw n in icu coz that paintng shows disrespect to me i don care wat is it artistic explaination

      Helen - 2012-05-31 09:11

      Mthenjwa - That is the whole point everyone is trying to make. Yes it is disrespectful and in bad taste BUT it is not a race thing!!!!!!!!!

  • werners13 - 2012-05-31 07:12

    i am soooo bored about this now...

  • Cassandra Eileen Olivier - 2012-05-31 07:21

    I don't like Zuma he is a womanizer but the artist did cross the line

      Johnny31456 - 2012-05-31 09:37

      See my comment on the Statue of David. Do you really think Michaelangelo crossed the line?

      Dorothea - 2012-05-31 12:09

      johnny, you are not making a fair comparison. the intented purpose of the two pieces of art are not the same. the zuma spear was intended to insult and draw attention to zuma's 'redeeming qualities'. you are comparing apples to oranges. your argument is flawed.

  • Mohau - 2012-05-31 07:31

    Stupid comment from a stupid boy!

      Mike - 2012-05-31 13:34

      It takes one to recognize one!

  • Johnny31456 - 2012-05-31 08:06

    I do not understand the debate at all. Compare the Spear to the statue of David. The statue of David is a masterpiece of Renaissance sculpture created between 1501 and 1504, by the Italian artist Michelangelo. It is a 5.17-metre marble statue of a standing male nude. The statue represents the Biblical hero David, a favoured subject in the art of Florence. And as far as I know - the Statue of David was never classified as racist (depicted as a white male with his genitals exposed), or bad taste. And, as far as I know, nobody painted any crosses over his genitals. But, as the Romans said very very long ago "ex Africa semper aliquid novi" (Out of Africa always something new...) This debate on the Spear could only happen in a soap opera with stage Africa and the main players Africans (irrespective of race - not all Africans are BLACK!" At this stage I am ashamed of being a South African.

      Dorothea - 2012-05-31 12:15

      johnny, you would need to compare the objectives of the two artists...and not the mere fact that a penis is on display. i have a magazine article in front of me which contains photos of a woman doing a self examination to check for breast cancer. the purpose of these photos is not insult women, it is to educate women. please apply the same logic to mr murray's intentions.....he was not being very complimentary and fully intended to demean jacob's lifestyle and choices. 'David' was not created on the same lines. you try to present a logical argument, but you fail dismally. think first...then type.

  • SARealist - 2012-05-31 08:17

    Has the ANC has lost contact with reality? What has race got to do with the SPEAR PAINTING. The ANC choose the President of SA NOT THE VOTERS. They ANC choose a person of poor values & morals to lead the country. A person who is married but has relationships outside the marriage. A person who should be a role model to all the people and especially to the youth and who should be walking the talk. The ANC should have choose a person of integrity, high moral values and good ethics. Now because the ANC did not do that they need to get out of trouble so out comes the RACE CARD. What a joke! The ANC made their BED when they chose ZUMA as Prez and now they must live with their choice! And seeing the VOTING PEOPLE never voted for Zuma they are surely intitled to critise via any means avaible. Thus the Painting. ANC should stop using the race card to hide their own bad judgements.

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