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Stricter by-laws for foreign business people

2012-03-10 12:08

Johannesburg - Foreigners who own spaza shops and other businesses may soon be subject to by-laws that could be stricter than their South African counterparts, according to a report on Saturday.

In the ANC's peace and stability policy discussion document, the governing party proposes that non-South Africans should not run spaza shops without adhering to certain legislated prescripts which may or may not apply to South Africans, The Saturday Star reported.

The proposal was a response to attacks on foreign shop owners who were mostly from Somalia and Pakistan.

"Non-South Africans should not be allowed to buy or run spaza shops or larger businesses without having to comply with certain legislated prescripts.

"By-laws need to be strengthened in this regard," the policy document reads.

Comments
  • pjanprinsloo - 2012-03-10 12:17

    Fail. Don't you check the spelling / grammar of your SAPA feeds?

      Jack - 2012-03-10 13:22

      South African blacks simply cannot take the competition. Hence the only resort is to take out the competition. It just feels like we in South Africa have the slowest learners, whilst the rest of Africa seems better at business and soccer.

      Hermann - 2012-03-10 13:38

      Mnr Prinsloo herskryf in Engels natuurlik en pos die gekorrigeerde weergawe hier. As for the contents of the bulletin all I can say is Jack you did not hit the nail on the head, you smashed it.

      zahir786 - 2012-03-10 14:04

      Jack has no idea! , Its not about competition! its about everything else! These Guys dont pay VAT , They dont pay Taxes they dont pay anything at all! Some change "Shops" like theres no tomorrow,You supply them with stock , they run away . How do you expect South African business to stay in business when the foreign man next door is not paying these fees? You will only understand the situation if you are in it yourself. Vat,Taxes Pushes the price of your products up quite a bit. Take away that from the local business man and then you will see how competitive the industry really is.

      Castiel - 2012-03-11 04:10

      Amen Zahir786! Agree with you 100%. Chinese shops are popping up everywhere and not paying VAT makes a huge difference to the price, not to mention chinese people living in and selling products out of 40 foot containers. Bribes to customs to clear goods, as well as under quoting on invoices to minimize duties makes it impossible for local suppliers to compete.

  • sally.lewitt - 2012-03-10 12:20

    Why?? Their prices are far cheaper than the "locals"

      zaakiro - 2012-03-10 12:39

      Reason been is generally they have less expenses in terms of living standards which allows them to ask for lesser profits or mark-ups. Therefor their prices are cheaper...also because many of them buy in syndication they able to get cheaper prices from wholesalers. Whereas ordinary South African in location are struggling, fair enough if a foreigner opens their but they should be regulated.

      bounca363 - 2012-03-10 12:41

      Because at the end of the day theSA citizen's throat is being slit. If you a business owner in the retail and wholesale industry you will know exactly what is being said. My dad owns a cash and carry and business has dropped tremendiously since these foreigners have gotten brains. I now understand why there were xenephobic attacks. I don't condone it but clearly understand the reason behind it. At the end of the day it was our very own government that allowed these asylumn seekers into the country.

      KallieHungBal - 2012-03-10 12:50

      @Sally - Because they cheat!!! They buy different grades of potatoes at different prices, mix them all up and sell it at a lower price. They remove a slice or 2 of bread from each loaf and at he end they can make up a few extra loafs. Thats why they can afford to sell it cheaper. They cheat you and you fall for it. They don't charge VAT. Thats a 14% diffrence already.

      Shingie - 2012-03-10 15:17

      They are cheap, mainly because they buy co-operatively in bulk and they have a low mark-up on their goods. They have low profit models and only make profits by running volumes. They have that hardworking ethic that drives those low prices. They dont just sit, overcharge and hope to make mega-profits. Thats why. Lets just hope these 'regulations' wont ultimately hurt the poor customer most.

      KallieHungBal - 2012-03-11 00:46

      Shingie, you(and and anybody who game you a thumbs-up) is wrong!!! Yes they work hard, but they still cheat. Prove me wrong!!! I have got facts behind me.

      Art - 2012-03-11 09:22

      Question is..... WILL THE GUPTA'S AND MITAL'S of this country, ALSO FALL UNDER THE SAME LAWS, for foreigners????????????? LOL! Doubt it!

  • Jason - 2012-03-10 12:20

    'non-South African citizens should not run spaza shops without adhering to certain legislated prescripts which may or may not apply to South Africans'. WTF does that mean? Who edits this rubbish?

      zaakiro - 2012-03-10 12:41

      Editing on News24 is pathetic ...

  • Andrew - 2012-03-10 12:27

    One of these days this sort of legislation will apply to any foreign owned business soon to be like Zimbabwe. Be careful of restrictions placed of foreign owned business.

      zaakiro - 2012-03-10 12:40

      I don't think that will be applicable, since most of foreign businesses in more formal setting go through proper channels, whereas Spaza shops are just instantly opening all across townships. But it would be a nightmare if legislation affect foreign owned businesses in general.

      Medeline - 2012-03-10 13:01

      Legislation will only make life more unbearable for the locals. Less competition simply means higher prices. Free markets always the best. Legislation based on emotive rationale without proper economic reasoning is disastourous. Let SA legislators be careful.

      Christian - 2012-03-10 14:36

      Yes, Sir. It should regulate business not a section of business people. I thought people of SA did learn something from the last week Nageria's response to unproper treatment of its citizens at OR Tambo Airport. Remember SA has businesses outside SA and south africans work their and the money goes back to SA. Let's hope some people in the government can see this. This is a blow to the overdue African Union existence.

  • Andrew - 2012-03-10 12:36

    Interesting. Look on the M&G or Times site and you will see why the foreign businesses out perform our locals. They keep records and work smarter and harder. Something our locals don't know how to do so they must be artificially protected for their incompetance. Just like our local competitiveness is sick.

      Lehlohonolo - 2012-03-10 12:46

      All South Africa business are not competitive they are struggling to compete internationally accept the few like SAB miller and Old mutual .This has nothing to do with locals.

      Shingie - 2012-03-10 14:48

      @Andrew: True we need to improve our work ethic. Look at ourselves before we look at the other person. @Lehlohonolo: For your information SAB MIller and Old Mutual are NOT South African companies.

  • pjmakobela - 2012-03-10 12:57

    I like your comments, lets wait and see whether municipal or metro police will enforce these by laws than hiding under trees and bridges waiting for bribes.

      De - 2012-03-10 13:39

      head on

  • march54 - 2012-03-10 13:03

    This sounds like xenophobia! Why have 2 sets of rules? This is a step back on the road to freeing a nation. We should hang our heads in shame.

      jamesbond - 2012-03-10 13:08

      You are obviously not affected by this or contributing to it!!! Ask all the people affected 1st before jumping on your horse.

      Piet - 2012-03-10 13:36

      This is how it works in other countries. Why not in SA?

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-10 13:53

      well said...

      Compos - 2012-03-10 15:02

      I support you. This is a step back.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-10 15:27

      March54 I live in Korea n m South African, I spoke to a guy who is Chinese n he told me how different laws applied to him n other foreigners who run businesses in Korea. Why shouldn't we do the same in South Africa? Use ur brains...

  • Wisdom - 2012-03-10 13:07

    south African should learn from other African countries, they don't want to learn that is there problem, they think to push other African brother out of there country will solve there lazy problem big nooooo, even if you tell all the African brother to leave there shops and hand it to south African citizens it will fall under a month because they don't know how to manage it and they can not seat down and learn, they are use to buy everything credit, how can one buy food credit, cloths, shoes? those common things u need to buy with cash in the shop? in location they are the one renting those shops to Foreigners at the same time come to tell there government that this people are talking there job, they must be very careful what they do to Africa brothers because a tree can not make forest.

  • Hallo - 2012-03-10 13:10

    Take that nigerians

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-10 13:12

    Government just wanna dry up any lucrative businesses this days...this will leave poor citizens at the mercy of greedy local expensive businesses if this plan manages to evict those foreigners from business.

      sdiko - 2012-03-10 15:15

      I agree with you 100%

  • Wisdom - 2012-03-10 13:15

    go to china shops they sale all the cheap things but south Africa governments will not say a word because they are scared of Chines government, how can African brothers hate follow African brothers?

      Abiola - 2012-03-10 19:09

      South Africa Government take a very good step and i can assure you guy,If SA citizen start a SPaza shop, Can they run it properly? SA government have start to be a racism government to fellow Africa country.. China will stop importing good to SA...

  • Charmaine - 2012-03-10 13:29

    Thank God, I wrote to the Presidency about this and it is good to read that some action is being taken. For those with negative comments, (do not comment at all) THANKS TO OUR GOVERNMENT FOR TAKING ACTION! Amen.

  • Vegi - 2012-03-10 13:32

    Jamesbond Even legitimate South African businesses do sell stolen property, so your allegations fail. There is a good side to these foreign traders. They are not as arrogant as South African businesses and do not charge extortionate prices. They do need some regulation but they are not all evil.

  • Piet - 2012-03-10 13:34

    Another way to get back at the Nigerians. Of the 92 million hair salons in Gauteng alone 99% belongs to the Nigies and yes many sell drugs and pimp woman. Nail them!

      Mike - 2012-03-10 13:50

      Given the current population of SA, presumably some of those 92 million hair salons are unmanned.

  • Mathopa Coco Kgobe - 2012-03-10 13:50

    at long last, bye bye nigerians . somalis bla bla bla...they should jus go back do their business in their country..power to south africans

      Dennis - 2012-03-11 04:46

      Our african brothers are a lazy nation so they will rather sit back and let somebody, anybody else do the work while they strike !!

  • Ian - 2012-03-10 13:53

    What about all the Chinese stores that are importing all there products.They don't contribute to the economy and only employ slave labour

  • chris.khanye - 2012-03-10 14:02

    Why did it take the powers that be this long to understand the true meaning of - charity begins at home!

  • Desire Sundire - 2012-03-10 14:07

    Just goes to show that xenophobia begins at the top level of society. Instead of dealing with the root of the problem (poor service delivery, unemployment,...) they blame the victims. As long as there r riots any shop can be looted. It doesn't matter whether it belongs to a South African, Indian, Nigerian or Somalian.

  • Compos - 2012-03-10 14:59

    This is how it started in Germany preWW2 as well. What is next people telling white South Africans they are not South Africans? For evil to win you just need good people saying nothing.

  • IrvinIco - 2012-03-10 15:43

    As a Black South African just go to Pakistan and open a spaza shop. Will you be allowed to stay in the first place? Will you be allowed to open the spaza? Will Pakistanis buy from your spaza? No ways. No one will ever take kindly to oyour presence.

  • Neville - 2012-03-10 19:54

    What about the chinese

  • Ad - 2012-03-10 20:36

    I can understand why by-laws is needed to curb foreign business owners .They enrich themselfs and take the money out of the country back to their homeland .They contribute absolutely nothing to worths our economy .But on the other hand these spaza shops was a gap the local people was reluctant to fill .Instead they burn tyres and protest for free housing ,service delivery and jobs because it was promised to them by the ruling party.

  • Ramona - 2012-03-10 21:54

    South Africa is a place for foreigners were they can make easy money and take our money back to their country. Taking away our peoples opportunities.

  • KallieHungBal - 2012-03-11 00:51

    I want News24 to explain to me why 2 of my comments were deleted without reason??

  • KallieHungBal - 2012-03-11 15:16

    At last!!! This is long overdue. The Chinese buy or open shops in smaller towns. They sleep in their shops and eat their own food. They give nothing back to the community. They don't rent/buy property, they don't pay ANY form of taxes not on property nor on income, no monthly service fees, they don't pay VAT, they don't send their kids to our schools. They run their businesses illegaly and get away with it.

      kobus.vandermey - 2012-07-13 18:05

      Nope, you're wrong. Not all Chinese are like that. Some Chinese do pay taxes, not all of them sleep in their shops, some do run their business legally if you know how to spot one or meet the right ones. Besides I've even met quite a few Chinese guys fluent in Afrikaans, Sotho and English.

  • jamesbond - 2012-03-11 17:21

    hey news 24 why are u deleting my comments. are we not entitled to free speech. or are we a zimbabwe already????

  • KallieHungBal - 2012-03-11 22:49

    In the small Karoo town Jansenville in the Eastern Cape 2 Chinese Shop owners and 1 from Bangladesh were arrested and charged with selling illegal products, running illegal cash loans and keeping clients bank cards and ID documents. This is to prove all the suppoters of these people wrong!!

  • mashilo.thulare.1 - 2012-07-13 16:07

    We south African's business are resrticted by policies,By-laws like Land use, business registration policy and tax complience, however they dont comply with any of this. in my Home town most spaza owned by SA citizens were closed due to non complience but the foreign nationals were not, this turned South Africans into victims of thiere own rule and this gays enjoyed the bennefits.this systerm makes SA communities to regred being south african.

  • kobus.vandermey - 2012-07-13 18:08

    Nope, you're wrong. Not all Chinese are like that. Some Chinese do pay taxes, not all of them sleep in their shops, some do run their business legally if you know how to spot one or meet the right ones. Besides I've even met quite a few Chinese guys fluent in Afrikaans, Sotho, Xhosa and English.

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