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Students urged to hit teachers back

2011-03-16 14:00

Pretoria - The Congress of SA Students (Cosas) on Wednesday called on schoolchildren to retaliate when they are being hit.

"We call on all students to fight fire with fire, when teachers hit you, you must hit back," provincial chairperson Ntsako Mogobe told reporters in Pretoria.

He defended his statement, saying teachers were failing in their duty to teach.

"They take this thing that we are girlfriend and boyfriend of them (sic) and they moer [hit] us."

SA Democratic Teachers' Union regional chairperson Moss Senye, also the principal of Soweto's Meadowlands High School, appeared in court on Monday for allegedly assaulting a 17-year-old pupil last month.

Soweto teachers missed school to attend Senye's hearing. The ANC called for those teachers to be fired.

Mogobe called the teachers' behaviour "childish" and insisted they be fired as the "no work, no pay" rule was "too soft".

"We call on the [Gauteng Education] MEC to fire all the teachers who hold meetings during school hours [and] all those who bunked classes to support... Moss Senye"

He charged that Sadtu in Johannesburg was led by teachers more interested in collecting their pay checks than learning and teaching.

Comments
  • Alwyn - 2011-03-16 13:49

    HAHAHAHAHAHAH,WTF,and we are told everything is honky dory in the education sector

      modefan - 2011-03-16 14:09

      Great stuff, now I don't have to worry about some wizz kid coming straight out of university and taking my job...because there won't be any! lol

      POLLENYS - 2011-03-16 14:14

      Just part of the further inset of lawlessnes. Lack of discipline is to be seen everywhere: Police, army, state departments, you name it. I suppose there is not a word for "discipline" in some languages.

      Thas-Man - 2011-03-16 14:38

      @Pollenys, what languages are you referring to exactly?

      Buoyancy - 2011-03-16 14:48

      The word discipline has disappeared from most languages.

      anna - 2011-03-16 14:49

      @Thas-Man, quite possibly your home language

      isabeljones101 - 2011-03-16 15:20

      There's no word for 'discipline' in Pedi!

      Nedomah@24.com - 2011-03-16 16:48

      Well all this means is that teachers are going to get moered if they accidentally bump into a kid who is holding a grudge against them (like receiving bad marks for example). Thank you for giving the undisciplined youth yet another way to escape the consequences of their actions.

      REALIST - 2011-03-18 10:23

      "They take this thing that we are girlfriend and boyfriend of them (sic) and they moer [hit] us." This is their provinsial chair? What a joke! Just another brain dead previously advantaged gemors!

      DW - 2011-03-18 12:44

      After this article appeared a teacher was hospitalised after a student stabbed her yesterday. She apparently reprimanded him for loitering. The problem goes both ways. Many teachers are lazy and looking for any excuse to strike and stay away from work. Students are also undisciplined and think they can do whatever they like, knowing they will not be punished. BOTH areas need to be addressed, not just one.

  • The Observer - 2011-03-16 13:55

    Typical. Now what is going to happen, teachers are going to srike again after the first is moered by a student and demand more money due to working conditions. And again, why the hell is there something like a student union. And who pays for the union leaders, my tax money? No you lot keep on doing what you want just leave the white schools alone, we don't want to be part of your circus, curriculum and we want to smack kids not behaving(it is part of our culture and excellent in bringing guys like arrogant Ntsako Mogobe back to earth).

      Melly30 - 2011-03-16 14:04

      This is very scary, OUR system is destroyed... Just shows animals will always be animals!!!

      word-of-mout - 2011-03-16 14:35

      How stupid of you Mr Observer. What make you think your schools are immune? BEsides, is there any school that is 100% white anyway? What do you think will happen in the future when the white kid" have graduated and got good jobs? Those 'black' learners will be into crime because of ignorants like you. And guess who the victims will be? The statement by cosas alleviates any little morality still remaining within humanity. And in your own way you are just like him. Grow up people.

      Baboon sheperd - 2011-03-16 14:44

      You sound like your brain is hidden somewhere there at the bottowm, you know where the sun never shines? This has got nothing to do with white or black. Discipline is discipline, black or white. Any way why do you think whites have exclusive ownership of schools? Sies man, you are bad rubbish!

      Viv - 2011-03-16 14:52

      Thas-Man you are a disgusting individual. I do not agree with Molly said but there is no need for your foul language and disgusting name calling. You are no mans backside. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      Rudolph - 2011-03-16 14:54

      Thas-Man, if the shoe fits. . .

      Realist - 2011-03-16 14:57

      Melly, please leave the animals out of this! They act on instinct and some are highly intelligent. Rather call people with no manners, respect and very little in the line of intellect, savages, or barbarians, just not animals!

      ratex - 2011-03-16 15:03

      I get the feeling that Twat Man is actually Tsepo, but maybe that is just me. What he is saying is that it is cool to educate the youth into a lawlesness, no rules envirnoment, because after all that is the way of the ANC. So rather than apply discipline, we condone unrully behaviour, bad manners, smoking, drug taking, school sex for favours, school rape, school theft, alcohol abuse - thats the ANC way. Twat man, you chop. Education is in a state of crisis because the Psyconauts got involved and enforced all of there so called "humane" crap into the system. There is no excuse for bad discipline, none. If the kids have been brought up correctly, then there will be no issues at schools, but you bunch expect the schoold to discipline your kids - its the ANC way - we want everything, but will do nothing to get it. So YOU Can GFY repeatedly

      gen.mewmew - 2011-03-16 15:06

      mr observer there is no place in the world for people who are as racist as you.

      Perfume - 2011-03-16 15:10

      Thas-Man sounds like tsephotheflee...seems to change his handle all the time, his comments gives his bitterness away!!!!!!

      Perfume - 2011-03-16 15:11

      @ratex....I spotted the flea from its comments, funny how it seems to hide under different handles, yet always exposes its ignorant self!!!!

      Luckybugger - 2011-03-16 15:12

      @Thas-man you are exactly the type of animal Melly30 is referring to you piece of trash

      Grant - 2011-03-16 15:21

      Thas-Man. You can change your name but you can't change your identity!! You are a stinking low-life piece of trash for whom there is no place in this country.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-03-16 16:03

      @ The Observer. Please speak for yourself. It is not my culture as a 'white person' to smack a child, or anybody else for that matter. I suspect that you are one of those people screaming about the racism of Manyi & the ANC, but reread your post and point the finger at yourself as well.

      The Observer - 2011-03-17 08:01

      Maddy-CT; Before you fall of your chair relax woman. You get two types of whites in this country, you lot britts who believe in talking your children into discipline and then the other side who are believers, Boers, my culture. My culture is that kids should be smacked out of love, read your Byble.And buy the buy, I don't shout racist ANC, no need to proclaim something that is commen knowladge. Now go adopt a Malawian baby or something so you can keep yourselve busy. Then to all you screaming racist, cry my a river I do not care. If it is racist that I want my kids to go to a school in my language, my believes , my carriculum then I guess I'm a racist. Baboon,; your name suites you bra. Nowhere did I say whites have exclusive ownership of schools. I only stating that we want to be in control of our own schools, our relgion, our cirruculum etc. nothing to do with wanting to be exclusive. You can come to my school but you learn what we teach and you accept you smack on the bum, if you are haapy with that then you are more than welcome.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-03-18 08:30

      @ The Observer. Firstly, I am not a Brit - I'm of Portuguese/German descent. Secondly, I don't read the Bible because I'm an atheist. I believe that hitting a child merely teaches them that the use of violence is acceptable, and in some cases it can cause emotional damage in vulnerable children or dysfunctional family relationships. For the same reason I don't support corporal punishment in schools. I have never had to resort to smacking my children - the withdrawal of privileges has always been sufficient to control unacceptable behaviour. That applies to my extended family as well because we share the same views. I respect that you have a different view but please don't extend that view to all whites. There are no 'whites only' schools in South Africa and that is the way it should be. If you want a racially or culturally exclusive school then you should start a private school paid for out of your private funds, or home school your children. Besides, what values do you teach your childen by separating them from our multi-cultural and multi-racial society, and the realities of life in South Africa? At least you have acknowledged that you are racist, but is it really necessary to perpetuate that problem through your children? OK - lecture over :)

      Virginia - 2011-03-18 09:49

      Maddy, forget about colour, you are alrady of mixed race like all of us, colour should not come into this argument, we all want the best for our children. Smacking a child does not impair him or her, they need to know sometimes who is incharge and have respect, and by the way children hit each other whats more violent. We do not smack in our household unless it is very necessary, but telling my child to smack its teacher back when scolded is very disrespectful. The South african Teachers asscoiation should take these people to task they are evil.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-03-18 11:14

      @ Virginia. Yes, I agree that race should not come into it - I brought up the subject of race because The Observer infered that smacking children is white culture, which is a generalisation and untrue, and also because of his reference to 'white schools'. I don't agree with your view that corporal punishment of children is harmless, but I respect your right to have that view. However, like you, I feel that Cosas call for children to hit their teachers is completely irresponsible.

      device - 2011-03-18 11:16

      I so agree with you observer and i say that as a black person, we are by far too irresponsible to run any kind of administration, until we learn we should be kept as far as possible away from the tighly run white schools.

  • henrylucas - 2011-03-16 13:55

    hahaha can see these people have never taught and dont know that kids nowerdays will take that to heart and really whip the teachers butts

  • Linda - 2011-03-16 13:58

    You are kidding!!! Punish the teachers and stop teaching children to become violent. It will be an ongoing battle and the war between them will never stop!!!

  • Wedfew - 2011-03-16 14:00

    For sure hit the teachers... just sound wrong.

  • Perfume - 2011-03-16 14:00

    HAIBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is all I can say

      Realist - 2011-03-16 14:52

      I gotta agree with you........EISH!!

      ArtGee - 2011-03-16 15:09

      Seems like EVERYTHING is BROKEN!! Is there NO GOOD NEWS STORIES letft in SA?

      Perfume - 2011-03-16 15:14

      EISH EISH is all we can say

      ray.romans - 2011-03-18 13:40

      @Artgee. Wait until Saturday when the Blou Ballas lose to Stormers. Good news indeed!

  • Flee - 2011-03-16 14:01

    WTF.... These are children who need discipline.. bloody heck they should bring back corporal punishment... Also it doesn't say what kind of "assault" this principle supposedly did... Most prob he slapped the kid cause he deserved it... the kid got embarrassed and went running to mommy.. If my child were to ever lay a hand on an adult for whatever reason I would slap my kid for disrespecting an adult... Really...

  • Monde - 2011-03-16 14:01

    IS THESE UNSCHOOLED TWITTS SERIOUS? *shocked*

      daaivark - 2011-03-16 14:25

      At least it seems they can spell and know their tenses. Check out the beam in your eye, re being "unschooled".

      Point Blank - 2011-03-16 14:42

      @Charles, it is not the responsibility of teachers to raise children. It is not the responsibility of schools to feed children... that is the responsibility of parents and communities... these are the people that are failing children. YOU are failing your children.

      Donner - 2011-03-16 14:56

      Point Blank, That is great thinking. Isolate the home from society. In all your wisdom, answer me this: What does it help a parent to teach his/her parent manners (let me know if I need to explain what that is) and respect for themselves and others, if it is not going to be enforced by the rest of society, ie schools, sports fields, etc? It would be an easy job if blankerts like you didn't roam the streets, but unfortunately we have to live with your one sided, take no responsibility socialists crap.

      Charles Kane - 2011-03-16 14:59

      Actually, Point Blank, I never said it was the teacher's responsibility to raise the children. I merely pointed out that the teachers are incapable of providing the guidance required by the youth. It is a teacher's responsibility to provide guidance but if the children are ill-disciplined and generally disinterested - due to poor or absent parenting - this task becomes next to impossible. Secondly, I don't have kids so I'm not entirely certain why you are saying "YOU are failing your children" to me. Am I the only black person you know and, as such, a proxy for all your grievances towards blacks? I sincerely hope not as that would just be point blank stupid.

      Donner - 2011-03-16 15:06

      Should read "teach his/her children" Sometimes I am to eager to engage the monumentally stupid. Point Blank?? Is that because the points were all blank or a blank point? The first makes it clear why the screwed up viewpoints and the latter an advantage for society - shooting blanks and unable to reproduce. Which one is it?

  • wmutahi - 2011-03-16 14:04

    Sounds like a bowl of juvenile crap. Fighting violence with violence is not going to solve anything. Seek ways of changing legislation or putting one in place. That's an extremely immature way of solving a problem.

  • Angel - 2011-03-16 14:04

    Pre-election story, looking tuff to the public that is fed-up (gatvol) with the teacher mentality and attitude. They might get fired now, to get their jobs back with promotion and increases after the election. Students urged to hit back! Shucks! Who is this guy, Ntsako Mogobe? Where will the children end up when not disciplined? Probably the reason this country is in such a state, teach children/youth RESPECT, should be the first lesson.

  • Madelane - 2011-03-16 14:06

    "They take this thing that we are girlfriend and boyfriend of them (sic) and they moer [hit] us." Evidence of a higher education oviously......and needless to say the ANC support this call for ever more lawlessness.

      damascus - 2011-03-16 14:31

      how does it support this statement???? or is it an assumption on your part???

      JohnnyWotten - 2011-03-17 07:04

      @damascus: Because in Madelane's little world, the ANC is bad and everything bad is as a result of the ANC.

      Madelane - 2011-03-17 16:29

      Apologies children as it was not mentioned in this article.....however perhaps you should read up a little apartheid history and the seeds that the ANC sowed back then with school children.....we can all see the results of that lawlessness to this day and will far into the future. And no this is not a indication of support for the then morally corrupt NATS either.

  • paulf - 2011-03-16 14:06

    I honestly do not know what this sick world of ours is coming to. Children should be caned if they step out of line. This is a typical example why our crazy world is a sit is. Children are not disciplined and have become rotten. If we stuck to God's laws and Bible the world would have been a better place. This is sickening!!!!

  • Dave - 2011-03-16 14:09

    I klap you, you klap me....what a great approach to instill in our children...strange he didnt say I kill you, you kill me...that would have stumped them

  • Chanelle Manuel - 2011-03-16 14:10

    What are you teaching children to be animals... this is Pathetic... im sorry i dont wanna send my child to school... cos if im hit my child cos she was naughty she is gonna hit me back? and you ask your kid, where did you learn that? she will respond COSAS... Dont you agree that your child RESPECT grown ups? I guess not other wise you wouldnt make such stupid rules...

      Realist - 2011-03-16 14:59

      As aia said earlier, leave the animals out of this. Depending on what animal and species, some have evolved higher than the like of this COSAS "leader" or Julius Malema. Animals behave on instinct, not lack of judejement or intelligence.

  • Riaan - 2011-03-16 14:10

    Apie Apie, dik deur die k@k!

  • DeonL - 2011-03-16 14:10

    We are entering the dark ages with these comments! No wonder Private Schools are getting so popular!

  • rushi.nortje - 2011-03-16 14:10

    Now schools are going to turn into a boxing rink :/ really? whats next???

  • v3 - 2011-03-16 14:10

    This puts new meaning into "striking teachers". If the teachers hit the students by being on strikes, can the students strike back? Maybe not such a bad idea, but klapping a unionist or Cosas bigmouth will achieve more.

  • Bantu - 2011-03-16 14:11

    Imbeko yayaphina ngoku ubethe umzali? no wonder there's too much violence in our country.

      Virginia - 2011-03-18 10:08

      Bantu, well said.We will never live in a peaceful society ever if this has to happen. Like Charles Kane say's these children have to have quality of life at home, loving parents and grand parents who care what happens to them, so that they do not go out there and seek vengence against everyone especially their teachers who are there to guide them through their school work.

  • Badger - 2011-03-16 14:15

    "Take It Out The Bush, But Never The Bush Out Of It"

  • garco - 2011-03-16 14:16

    This is getting scarier by the day. By the way what did the student do. Why would something like that happen? Student probably drew a knife and the teacher was defending himself. Moer die student harder.

  • wgibsonsa - 2011-03-16 14:16

    Bunch of backward prehistory orks. This is the attitude that permeates these township schools. Kill, rape, break, burn. moer and destroy. Have babies and then walk around with a begging bowl.

      Flee - 2011-03-16 14:54

      you forgot the drugs and booze.... Sad that they actually feel fine inciting violence in our youth..

  • ncele999 - 2011-03-16 14:17

    to be a SASCO leader you msut be very stupid..thats all I can see...

      Francois - 2011-03-16 15:19

      To reply to a Sasco leader, you must not be able to spell... that's all I can see.

  • daaivark - 2011-03-16 14:23

    Complete madness!

  • Mizer - 2011-03-16 14:23

    This young man has no future...What a useless leader he is. This is not the way this failing youth will prosper in life. We were strongly disciplined, respected our teachers and that made us work extremely hard to obtain our degrees and work in better conditions. Our problems are spreading faster instead of being resolved quickly.

      Big Al - 2011-03-16 14:32

      You are wrong Mizer. He has a great future ahead. What about him taking over from Julius hmmm? Bet you never thought of that hey! Sounds to me like an ANCYL candidate in the making.

  • Paul - 2011-03-16 14:24

    Maybe the kids wont be hit if they stop messing around and concentrate on there education instead. Carry on you are only destroying your futures, carry on for all I care...........

  • Kerri Garcia - 2011-03-16 14:27

    I can see pupils will start hitting the teachers even if the teachers dont touch them....crazy

  • nic - 2011-03-16 14:29

    Yes, that is just what we need in this country. More hooligans... *sigh* What a stupid thing to say. Then again, not really surprised...

  • truthteller - 2011-03-16 14:29

    COSAS!!!!!!!!! OR should I say confusion & complete idiocy nna le tlhompo bana ke lona

  • Charles Kane - 2011-03-16 14:29

    Haibo! Sounds like SASCO is appointing primary school children in leadership positions. I am so embarrassed that my country's institutions tolerates people of such low calibre. The failure to educate properly is causing such decline. We defeated apartheid but at least apartheid education gave us proper leaders who could think. If this generation were to fight apartheid, they would have not have succeeded. There is no more excuse for the failure of the educational system. I am sick and tired of hearing our youth speak like imbeciles.

  • damascus - 2011-03-16 14:30

    I'm stunned

  • Le sage - 2011-03-16 14:30

    Another south african congress of rubish...

  • Denzil - 2011-03-16 14:32

    So teachers can't discipline learners who disrespects them? Is this what ANC have become: urging the youth to show lack of respect towards adults, telling them to hit back? This angers me! The government made it so that learners have more rights than teachers, they can behave whichever way they like, yet teachers are getting the blame, well I say beat them! Beat them to hell and back, then they'll know what respect and discipline is.

  • mwfrater - 2011-03-16 14:32

    "They take this thing that we are girlfriend and boyfriend of them (sic) and they moer [hit] us." sums it all up. Retards leading retards.

  • jamesonl - 2011-03-16 14:32

    Teachers have had enough of this already, being made scapegoats of a sick society that cannot control its brats. I think now every parent should teach his/her own kids, the society does not recognize the role of a teacher anymore. Away with schools. Why waste taxpayers' money on the teacher and an education system that you undermine?

  • ocon777 - 2011-03-16 14:34

    Holy God Almighty help us. This is : "How to breed a nation of insubordinates and disregard for law 101"

      Flee - 2011-03-16 14:57

      Great title for a thesis...Its just a shame half of these brats cant write, spell or count to save their lives...

  • Big Mouth - 2011-03-16 14:37

    Close all govt schools and make it the parents responsibility to HomeSchool. If they have the bucks.... send the kids to PVT schools.

      Buoyancy - 2011-03-16 14:53

      Some parents can't even discipline their kids, how are they going to educate them??????

      ZAR Minority X - 2011-03-18 14:40

      Most parents could not educate themselves...

  • Linda - 2011-03-16 14:37

    Eish!!!!

  • KaiinSA - 2011-03-16 14:38

    I was always taught that two wrongs don't make a right.

      MathysTheart - 2011-03-16 16:22

      But three lefts do make a right. think about it.

  • ocon777 - 2011-03-16 14:38

    "They take this thing that we are girlfriend and boyfriend of them (sic) and they moer [hit] us." ????? Does that mean you condone that men should hit women or visa versa ??? You are 1 over cooked crispy noodle

  • peregrinus - 2011-03-16 14:41

    Do whatever you want, just leave the white single medium schools out of this circus. Cosas are in the process of creating a undiciplined mob, that is more interested in politics than education. Makes the number of students that the whiteys have to compete with less. Good news.

      gen.mewmew - 2011-03-16 16:14

      'white'? stop being such a racist. this world has had enough of your people

      gen.mewmew - 2011-03-16 16:14

      you people*

  • jiamalunga - 2011-03-16 14:41

    OK Fair is Fair, Remember when the student threatens to Stab the Teacher with a pair of scissors that the teacher can retaliate with his knife! Is that what you want?

  • Mizer - 2011-03-16 14:45

    Question I keep asking myself is what was wrong with the old system that produced doctors, lawyers, engineers, technicians, programmers etc. Why was that system replaced to make entry for this useless one that is failing the youth. How can I, as a youth be proud to know that I can hit back at an adult. This is the end. Its over

      Octo - 2011-03-16 15:04

      The old system was put in place by whites so it had to be destroyed at all cost.

      Mizer - 2011-03-16 15:34

      @Octo..The old system from my times encouraged kids to compete in class. It encouraged kids to perform to the best of their abilities in whatever they were embarking on. It showed light and the end of the tunnel. It instilled hope, courage, wisdom , respect to name few of these. Those were basic qualities that took us day by day and we lived knowing it will all be ok in the end. We could not wait going to school to take part in tests/debates/sports etc. I know I can’t fix the SA problem but I think this has made me realise it’s over. if this can be allowed, then thats the end.

      fishycraig - 2011-03-17 19:34

      And just what would you replace it with Octo? What African system of learning is there that can compete? This has nothing to do with White vs. Black schools. It sure does have everything to do with idiots having a say in how our kids are raised. I agree with Mizer - how can we ever raise ourselves as a country once a barbaric and backward way of thinking likes this becomes part of our school culture?

      ZAR Minority X - 2011-03-18 11:36

      Ye sure Octo – “...it had to be destroyed at all cost...” - viz at the cost of destroying the entire country. There is a saying “...The cure is worse than the cancer...”. It is like cutting your heart out to cure yourself of a cold. For sure your cold will be gone within half hour, but so will you... Or perhaps you will get another type of cold – get it..??? You present a case-in-point: the ANC is so obtuse they cannot figure out that they solve one problem by creating ten other problems.

  • Thelma - 2011-03-16 14:46

    Teachers should know their place and they should know that they are there to teach students. If a student gets out of hand there is a procedure that should be followed and if the teacher or the principal cannot handle the situation they should take it further. I cannot believe the bold statement made by Cosas. It is bad enough that our youth has JuJu as a youth leader now they have Cosas encouraging them to commit violent deeds against teachers.....NO HOPE FOR OUR YOUTH OR FOR US AS PARENTS!!!!!!!

      Mizer - 2011-03-16 15:27

      Say 100 students are getting out of hand.imagine the process of disciplining them.

  • Baboon sheperd - 2011-03-16 14:46

    How I wish I was a teacher. I would welcome this kind of challenge. I would break every rib of a spoilt brat!

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-03-16 14:48

    Ek weet nie..

  • Schweet - 2011-03-16 14:49

    If a Child is old enough to talk back he's old enough to get F$ck up!

  • ReThan - 2011-03-16 14:50

    Monkeys. HHOO HOOO HHOOO AAAH AAH AAHH.

  • 360Jason - 2011-03-16 14:50

    RESPECT YOU ELDERS even if they are idiots. Its becoming like England. Full of bored disrespectful youths causing kuk, bricking and stabbing teachers. The painful whips that I endured at boarding school was my parental guide, now when the kids really need the parents to teach them moral fiber they are nowhere to be seen.

  • Virginia - 2011-03-16 14:53

    What a sick society, what a brainless lot of people. No wonder they have no respect for each other, an that goes right to the top of the ladder. If I was a teach in these so called schools, I would resign immediately, they are not worth teaching, my animals have far better dicipline and respect.