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Swords, swastika found in Primrose house

2012-06-04 10:46

Johannesburg - Police have found 16 firearms, 15 swords, ammunition, camouflage clothes and a swastika badge at a house in Primrose East, it was reported on Monday.

Six people, one woman and five men, were arrested following an anonymous tip-off, The Star reported.

The suspects, aged between 19 and 49, have been charged with the possession of unlicensed firearms and are expected to appear in the Germiston Magistrate’s Court within the week.

The police are also looking into links between the group and the murder of 15-year-old Sibusiso Titimani in a field near his home in Primrose informal settlement. He was stabbed to death by a group of men apparently wearing military uniforms and balaclavas.

 “From what I hear, it is by white men who say they are taking revenge for Eugene Terre’Blanche,” Titimani’s mother, Thandiwe, told The Star.
 
“There are whites who are kind and good but these people are evil,” said Thandiwe’s mother, Nosinara.

Now police are investigating claims of similar race-related incidents after community members came forward and said suspects dressed in camouflage and using knives and guns had been “terrorising the area”.

Titimani was buried during a small family ceremony on Saturday.

Anyone with information relating to the crimes have been urged to contact Captain Deno Davids on 011 776 1600 or 072 997 2997.

Comments
  • Bokfan - 2012-06-04 10:53

    Let these people be prosecuted to the max.

      SubGenius - 2012-06-04 11:20

      @sargon - does that justify this? A life is a life, irrespective of whose it is. You are justifying murdering innocent peole due to one legal decision that you do not agree with. With that mentality we would have a killing field of orgiastic revenge killing. Please use your brain.

      neville.mclean - 2012-06-04 11:53

      The perpetrator was let off because of poor police work! Nothing to do with whether the act was right or wrong! Sargon, a political leader was assasinated??? really? A man who had a history of blatant racism, who served time in prison for leaving a man permanently brain damaged! You cannot begin to put his murder in the same light as an innocent 15 year old child! A political assasination......phhhhf

      Rob - 2012-06-04 11:56

      Not only apply the law equally but also ensure that people in authority and leadership position (each and every one of them) has a responsibility to all in South Africa to lead by example. Not sending a clear proscription becomes endorsement of prejudiced behaviour. There are A LOT of unsophisticated angry people out there of all shades and races. Leaders are expected to manage and control this situation so that these angry people do not take the law into their own hands.

      Howie - 2012-06-04 12:59

      hahahahaha omg political assassination????????????????? what are you deluded Sargon, the less people like you in South Africa the better. Why dont you do the rest of us South Africans black and white a favour and emmigrate to Australia mate.

      Rob - 2012-06-04 13:19

      Well, 40% (of 5) thumbs seem to think that South African leaders are not required to send clear messages that do not endorse illegal and antisocial behaviours (regardless of the colour of the perpetrators). Now that says a lot about the morality of our country.

      Steve - 2012-06-04 13:28

      Maybe we should set up a kangaroo court with some real kangaroos to kick the crap out of them.

      SubGenius - 2012-06-04 13:56

      @Sargon - I hear you,and irrespective of whether or not I agree with you, that is your call to make, and your right. However, equating this to the murder of a child in any justifying manner is simply wrong. It opens the floodgates of self appointed extra-judicial vengeance and the dehumanisation of normal people to a statistical tit for tat.

      ttshabalala - 2012-06-05 08:37

      An innocent 15 year old was killed. Any person who has a child of their own, a brother, a nephew or just a human conscience will know this is not right and can never be justified with any form of reason....whether political, racial or other.

  • Thoka - 2012-06-04 10:54

    Sick and evil minds.

  • Bugprof - 2012-06-04 11:01

    There is no place in society for people like this. They are bloodthirsty animals and are no better than common criminals.

  • Dean Hart - 2012-06-04 11:05

    If these people are responsible for the death of this young boy, they are sick and deserve to rot in jail like any other criminal!

  • WitWolf - 2012-06-04 11:14

    Again they will easily claim when it's a white person doing crime... Never ever will they say if a black person is up to no good. It will only come to light when their names are revealed with court proceedings... Again a racial issue...

      Loo - 2012-06-04 12:03

      I struggle to see your point. I don't care if they were race classified or not in the news/papers, (not the point of this discussion at all). It's about murder and they should be hanged by the nuts. That's it.

      Johannvw13 - 2012-06-04 12:07

      Loo, the struggle is over... get with the times.

      WitWolf - 2012-06-04 12:16

      I did not condone what they did. They should be prosecuted. Read my comment again and see the point I'm making....

  • nkosingiphile.cofu - 2012-06-04 11:15

    It is things like this which we should never ignore and pretend they do not exist, simply because we think if we talk about it , reconciliation will be disturbed. Such racists must be dealt with severely.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-04 11:19

      Agreed. The few are destroying hopes for the many. These scumbags deserve to be placed in the victims community tied to a pole.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-04 11:36

      I agree - as long as it works both ways. No one can condone actions like this. The fact the media try to sensationalise the possibility that Whites are involved is one thing, but the actual act is still just as barbaric as the murder of the child care lady and baby. It remains evil regardless of the race of the perpetrators. It cannot be justified in any way.

  • i2meleng - 2012-06-04 11:15

    Let them rot in jail. Sies.

      Mike - 2012-06-04 11:42

      For what? A few unlicenced guns? Let them be convicted of something before you condemn them so easily.

  • Johannes - 2012-06-04 11:20

    Strange how the tone is with comments here. 2 guys kills (caught with the loot) an old lady and baby. It is a crime and nothing to do with nothing just opportunity. couple of guys (possibly killing or suggestions there of and not been proved) are immediate super neo nazi racist killers and have to be hung. "From what I hear" so no proof of any kind. Seriously. White guy with a illegal gun is the worst thing, but the other way round nobody flinches.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-04 20:31

      Hmmm, Bjaanes or is it Johanes, whatever, boet u r such a hypocrite. Two black men are arrested (not found guilty yet), caught with victims belongings, (you find them guilty), and some, what do U call them, neo nazi muffins or something, are arrested (also not found guilty), caught with a guns, knives, swastikas, (you find them not guilty). It's called double standard, hypocrisy. U see meneer, a baby died, an old lady died, a young man died. if u want to display ur intelligence, go and join the AWB rally, and give those comments in camera.

  • Martin - 2012-06-04 11:27

    Give them the trial, if found guilty release them into the community they took the life from

  • francois.grobler - 2012-06-04 11:34

    This is the last thing we need in this country :(

      Johannes - 2012-06-04 11:53

      We never hear it the other way round. That it must end.

  • TawwaTienie - 2012-06-04 11:36

    Nobody is found guilty. And most are hearsay. Wait for courtcase. Yes what about the old lady that was killed and also the baby and nanny. No word of the killers?

      Charnelle - 2012-06-04 11:43

      It makes me sad when we dont know what happenned, the last I heard was the suspects were held. No news on wether they were found guilty.

      WitWolf - 2012-06-04 12:18

      The ones who killed the baby and caretakers case will carry on for years. These guys will probably be in jail by the end of the year... Mark my words...

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-04 20:04

      I can tell that u people are brain-dead. The families of the victims (baby and nanny) do not need u hypocrites to know what's going on that's why u don't know. Let them mourn in peace you freaks. And yes those muffins with swatikas r going down, I wish they can get some baldhead freaks in jail to make them sissies they are. Julle is dom man. Het julle kninders? Surely u don't deserve to raise them, their young brains needs proper nurture, sies. Satanic morons.

      WitWolf - 2012-06-04 23:18

      @ ratsaka.eugene "Their young brains needs proper nurture" you say?! How can the children of South Africa be brought up with any good future with both these parties killing this way? Satanic morons?! What is more satanic than elderly people on farms being killed like pigs? Hypocrites? Ask the anc about hypocritical tendencies. They won't answer you. Because they do not care about white or black.

  • Mmannyo - 2012-06-04 11:37

    DA say something.

      Dee - 2012-06-04 15:37

      Mm - did you read the article at this site "DA reporting far-right groups to HRC" ?

  • Mari Theologo - 2012-06-04 11:40

    These are sick individuals if they are involved they should be thrown down a old mineshaft alive!!

  • procold2 - 2012-06-04 11:43

    people like this that are to blame for the hatred in this country, punishment to the full might of the law, sa needs the death penalty back.

  • Mari Theologo - 2012-06-04 11:45

    Just reading all the comments makes me sick because everybody has a point the truth hurts as long as their is these type of killings and farm murders their will be no peace in this country!!

  • farmfreund - 2012-06-04 11:46

    These actions are signs that the democracy in SA is starting to crack, the government failed the people of this country, it wont be long before some group White or Black had enough and do someting stupid that will cost us our 20 years of progress we made, The voters in this country needs to start voting outside of the ANC so we could have a more balanced democratic system, this dictatorship will cost us our country.

      Colin - 2012-06-04 12:13

      What progress? Unless you call becoming the crime capitol of the world and becoming another failed african state progress

      Anne-Marie - 2012-06-04 18:18

      Progress????

  • Zane Zenzile - 2012-06-04 11:49

    we are sitting on a time-bomb.............. one of these days it is going to explode! my only fear is that innocent people will be affected by these incidents.

      Johannes - 2012-06-04 11:56

      Agreed it is unfortunate things are turning out like this.

      Charnelle - 2012-06-04 16:51

      Zane, I will be honest with you, I fear for my own child's life when I read these stories. it is one after the other. Its not right, it is not fair.

  • Phelamanga - 2012-06-04 11:50

    Cowards who hide behind ideology to bully and kill other people.

  • Tinus - 2012-06-04 11:55

    Innocent until proven guilty! This attack was "apparently" done by uniformed men wearing balaclavas.

  • Charnelle - 2012-06-04 11:58

    If this was a hate crime, it is a crying shame that our children are being involved. I hope these criminals never live to see another day.

  • Dave - 2012-06-04 12:01

    The cops are really putting a lot of efforts into suspected white murderers. I wish such commitments would also be deployed for the daily farm murders, township murders, township rapes, violent housebreakings etc. I am not saying that these scumbags should run free, but it seems like the cops' efforts are very much one-sided.

      Ted - 2012-06-04 12:13

      Dave. Which murder do you know which has not been investigated? This issue is just in the media coz of the nature of the story.

      Colin - 2012-06-04 12:28

      I know of several where white people were murdered and the cops did almost nothing. After a year witness have not even been contacted. In another case after 2 years the cops have not even gone to the trouble to collect the coroners report. But as these comments so clearly show, a case is only important if the victim is black

      thebe.tau - 2012-06-04 12:35

      Collin, what have you done with that knowledge, you seem to be on the cops side by not reporting them.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-04 21:31

      Collin, search your soul my man, take a deep breath, and try to listen to your self, and you'll get your answer. Thebe, the police take every case as it comes, Colin has got no idea what he's talking about. Believe me I can tell when somebody is telling a story he heard at a pub and trying to make it his story. Dave, when ET was killed, how long did it take for the arrests to be made. The Delmas baby disaster, how long did it take for arrests to be made, the most complicated Leigh Mathews case, how long did it take for police to arrest Mr Moodley. Again I have a task for u, search ur soul, take a deep breath look at your comment see if you're proud of yourself.

  • Craig Patterson - 2012-06-04 12:02

    Father God , be with the people who need you most in times of great sorrow. Lord i place SA in your hands and ask that you put wisdom in the minds and hearts of those people we have put our trust and faith in. Lord again i ask that your quell the hatred and anger that seems to have a hold over us, and lastly i pray that the police can become a force to be trusted and once again be a force to be reckoned with . Ahem

  • john.lonsdale.5 - 2012-06-04 12:13

    These people are as dumb as a plank of wood, theres what 4 Million whites left in S Africa. As a race we are kind of outnumbered. So when the 60 million other races get pee'd off with us, I'm not liking the odds?

      johnny.arnold.167 - 2012-06-04 13:29

      Just to get the facts straight. You are quite close. But there's 50.5 Mil total population in S-A. Africans are in the majority, making up 79.5% of the population, while white people make up 9.0%. So that's about 2Mil white and 40Mil African. So your odds are worse then you thought.

      brett.scheepers - 2012-06-04 14:36

      That's who have SA id papers,how many actually still live in SA?Many have dual citizenship and don't live in SA.

      marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-06-04 19:02

      Johnny your maths sucks. 9% of 50 million is 4.5 million. You just moered your name wiff a plank.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-04 19:42

      Wiff a plank? Lol. free (3) times neh?

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-06-04 12:15

    Primrose.... hahahaha... Ja ne, no comment.

  • Carla - 2012-06-04 12:32

    If these "people" are the ones responsible for the murder of that poor 15 year old child, then they deserve to spend the rest of their lives behind bars.

  • Pappa - 2012-06-04 12:32

    so a mi not allowed to have the incence burner i bought in INDIA because it is adorned with swastikas... does this make me a NAZI??? I THINK NOT!!!

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-04 13:12

    You hit the nail on the head Dave.

  • Hugh - 2012-06-04 13:23

    Not sure about the facts of the N24 report. Previous Arms Cache' claimed by SAPS have more often then not turned out to be legitimate licences gun owners. Swards are also not illegal. Isn't this all circumstantial evidence at this point? I err on the side of caution as a licensed gun owner. Who knows when the cops raid my house and N24 make another sensational report. Guilty till proved innocent? Lets wait and see if this bunch are the murderers before we find out it was 15 air rifles confiscated that dont need licenses.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-06-04 13:32

    Most people are at breaking point and beyond. The pot has already overcooked for most SOUTH Africans, which is actually a shame and very sad. Difference of opinions will always remain, that is part of who and what we are as individuals (whether we belong to an unwanted or wanted society or not). No amount of hatred will ever bring back the dead and no amount of blood will sustain the living. To those who have lost their parents and children, I am not unsympathetic; I believe that they are in a better place, irrespective of how they went. They cannot be hurt again as their loving memories will always remain in someone’s heart. For those who feel that they are at breaking point, hold on, think and think again. Don’t just do it. Time is a mysterious thing and the wheel has a way of turning, even at the most unexpected of times. Be patient.

  • jadedossantos - 2012-06-04 13:34

    A 15 year old boy. This is horrific.

      Mmannyo - 2012-06-04 13:39

      paedophilia jade...

      Charnelle - 2012-06-04 14:56

      I am finding it very difficult to understand why Jad's comment had 3 dislikes.

  • Colin - 2012-06-04 13:42

    Once again news24 deleted my comment so i will post it again. Last year they made the same fuss about a white gun collector who was supposed to be a terrorist and in the end turned out innocent. Once again they are sensationalizing the facts to sell papers. Is there any evidence that whites killed the kid and is anything any evidence pointing to the people arrested except an annonymous phonecall?\r\nStirring up racial tension to sell newspapers should also be classified as a hate crime

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-04 13:58

      I agree. Report the incident, don't use race and current race tensions in SA to create sensationalism with nothing but profit in mind. Sick and very irresponsible considering (how can I put this politely?), the mind set of some S/Africans.

      Dee - 2012-06-04 14:09

      Colin - yes.... I am at a loss to understand the 'rules' or rationale of what qualifies to be deleted at this site. ??????

  • marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-06-04 14:09

    These guys were probably going to overthrow the government. The weapons are all collector items and most can't even operate anymore(not mentioned). Then they arrest the whole family and now they also will be charged with terrorism and treason. This will mean they will be detained without trial like the Boeremag 22 who are still awaiting trial after 10 years in custody. This country still has lots of political prisoners including Clive Derby Lewis and Janus Waluz.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-04 15:03

      Where did you find out about the weapons being collectors items and mostly out of service. Just asking. And swords and Swastikas? Doesn't exactly sound like an average peace loving home does it?

      marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-06-04 18:36

      I read yesterdays Rapport. They also did not mention the very dangerous paintball guns and that explains the cammos. Two weeks ago I was at the the air show in Pretoria and there were people posing with different antique military uniforms including a Germann SS officer, Stormtroopers and even a Gistapo official. Does that make them Natzis?

  • Deon - 2012-06-04 14:29

    Hopefully the Springboks can unite us again for a change. Forget about the Stripes, Blues / Pinks / Yellows / Blacks or lack of it. Go Bokke!

  • aristar.aristary - 2012-06-04 15:07

    Bang goes freedom of speech.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-06-04 15:39

    ET revenge takers in Primrose? Now I have heard it all. Why does this not add up for me. To me it sounds like sickos that watch too much American programs on TV. If guilty., I hope they sort them out properly. Just the fact that they had swords, Fire arms uniforms and some batch make it already sounds like a sick group. Seams to me we need to let people past tests to be declared fit to watch these sicko stuff on tv/internet. Get a job, watch less tv/internet and contribute to the country you sickos!

  • Caroline - 2012-06-04 15:43

    send them all to jail for life!

  • Lee.CPT.ZA - 2012-06-04 16:41

    My condolences to Thandiwe’s mother, Nosinara and extended family. I don't know how you will ever find solace and peace in all this madness. There is good and bad in all sectors of our communities and when one masks such evil behind race and attempts to justify such a stupid, selfish act, one becomes evil. This is a 15 year old kid, a child in essence that deserved more than what he got. My only hope is that SAPS Forensics can link the suspects arrested to this murder, that is exactly what is is and that they perpetrators get exactly what they deserve. As South Africans we need to remove such elements from our community, before the poison that they try to spread, does spread. There should be no place in our communities for such people. I certainly don't want them and I am certain any decent South African wouldn't want them, so why tolerate them. To the detectives and all those involved in this prosecution, I thank you and wish you all of the best in this prosecution.

      Charnelle - 2012-06-04 16:57

      Lee, I totally agree with you, anyone who hurts a child deserves to be punished!

  • Hugh - 2012-06-04 17:31

    I just love South Africans. A truely brainless lot. Nowhere in the article does it say that the two cases are linked but that are assumed to be linked, likely based on the Swastikas and clothing. Why does everyones hate for another black or Afrikaaner run so deep that they jump to conclusions from a source that is know for being inaccrate at best? How many of these cases when appear beofre court are thrown out because the guns are pre current licence laws or are awating licences. Geez I have an old CCCP flag with an Old SA flag does one make me a commie and the other a black hater? Cannot anyone see the wit gevarr BS being played over and over?

      marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-06-04 18:25

      They also found paintball guns(not mentioned in the report) among the large conventional warfare Arms cache. Now that explaines the cammos.

  • Anne-Marie - 2012-06-04 18:15

    News 24 I am still waiting for you to publish the story of the 72 year old woman who was tortured and murdered on Friday night. Obviously not newsworthy enough hey? For anyone interested, it is at www. Farmitracker.com

      marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-06-04 18:20

      Yed, the 72 year old white lady who was burnt with a iron, boilng water poared over her legs and strangled. All this not far from Delmas in a small town called Pullens Hope.

      Anne-Marie - 2012-06-04 19:02

      Yes marco. Cannot understand why this does not make news. Yet a story about the movie snow white does. Go figure!!!

      vloermoer - 2012-06-04 22:06

      She was white .... a 15 year old black was killed, and the suspects could be white ... guess what - that is news

  • Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-06-04 18:25

    White trash! I hope they catch you and I hope they prove you guilty... Bring back the death penalty, these people need to hang! Sick cowards, attack a child? You deserve to burn in hell!!!!! Necklace those pigs

      Anne-Marie - 2012-06-04 19:04

      Yes, you can make it a group necklacing with the people who strangled a 5 month old. Can I call them black trash or will that be deemed racist????

      marko.miladinovic.52 - 2012-06-04 19:10

      These guys HAVE been caught Clayton, you seem to not take in what you read hey. Anyway if they are guilty let them hang. But 2 weeks ago I can't remember you ranting about the 2 black guys beating that 5 month old boy to death and murdering his day mother. You see its selective trailer trash like you that really irritates me.

      vloermoer - 2012-06-04 22:09

      Lucky for you, you trashed the white man - if you said black coward you would've been reported to the human rights commission.

  • Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-06-04 18:40

    All these racist pigs, black white brown must all pss off out of our country and leave the rest of us to have a peaceful life...

  • nkmasters.gary - 2012-06-04 18:46

    its called a hate crime, and the AWB was and is a joke to most white people, that being said theirs alot more white people being raped and killed by black racists than the other was around and thats a fact.

  • gavinb2 - 2012-06-04 20:35

    Oh NO not a Swastika! WTF poor poor jourmalism!

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