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Teen raped at Eastern Cape church

2012-02-13 09:13

Port Elizabeth - A man who went to an Eastern Cape police station on Sunday afternoon to find out if anyone had laid a charge of rape, has been arrested for allegedly raping a teenager in a church.

Police officials realised this was possibly the man they had been looking for since an alleged rape at a Gelvandale church on Friday night.

Police spokesperson Captain Sandra Janse van Rensburg said the man was arrested on the spot and would appear in court on Monday on charges of rape and theft.

The two cellphones that he allegedly took from his victims were also found in his possession.

Youth group meeting

Janse van Rensburg said the suspect apparently saw an opportunity when the youth group of the Nazarene church in Gelvandale held an event on Friday evening.

A 17-year-old girl was busy with preparations in a church building in Sampson Street when a friend arrived to help.

When she opened the security gate to let her in, the attacker pushed it wider open and ran inside.

He threatened both girls with a knife and then started raping one of the girls.

Van Rensburg said more people arrived shortly afterwards and the suspect ran off.

He stole the girls' cellphones and fled.

Reverend David van der Ventel, the church’s pastor, said their security arrangements were very good and this was the first time something like this had happened.

He said the suspect was not a member of the church, but had been standing about pretending to want water.

Comments
  • LN - 2012-02-13 09:32

    How can this act not deserve the death pnalty?

      David - 2012-02-13 09:58

      Anyone proved to be 100% guilty of rape should be locked up for a week with the most depraved sex offenders and then given to the community to sort out in a public place. Obviously a small stint in jail is no deterrent.

      Lorenzo - 2012-02-13 10:02

      Rape and/or Murder should be an automatic Death Penalty!!!

      Wt - 2012-02-13 14:04

      How can people give this comment a thumbs down?

  • Tammy - 2012-02-13 09:37

    @LN - because that will be to quick - he needs to suffer first - give him to the community

  • terenceleejohnstone - 2012-02-13 09:39

    ANIMALISTIC : if you read the report, he had nothing more on his mind than rape!! I hope they find him and cut off his balls!

      Sharon - 2012-02-13 10:44

      My heart cries for the poor girl - now she has nowhere to feel safe ever again

  • Shaun Robinson - 2012-02-13 09:41

    Grate his penis till the raw nerves are showing then put it in salt water mixed with staal druppels and leave it there

      Snoopsy - 2012-02-13 09:47

      Ek stem saam. Hy weet mos nie wat om met die ding te doen nie, so dan sal ons hom daarmee help! Flippen Siek Man. Hoe lewe jy met jouself nadat jy so iets doen? En dit nogals in 'n kerk. Vieslik, ek hoop hy word gery soos 'n perdjie.

      Lynton Lewis - 2012-02-13 10:08

      Don't forget to lube the grater with a bit of vinegar o lemon juice!

  • DjCapiche - 2012-02-13 09:49

    Welcome to South Africa, where even our Churches aren't safe... this is terrible!

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 10:23

      Why should a church be safer than anywhere else?

      Juann Strauss - 2012-02-13 10:33

      Because it is a place of refuge. The same goes for being raped in hospital, school or in your home.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 10:48

      Refuge for whom? The people who pay the money or the mammon loving preacherman who runs the place. And if your god exists then why does he provide no protection for the sheeple? Because he can't as he does not exist is the logical answer.

      DjCapiche - 2012-02-13 11:33

      Did you really have to Godfrey? I'd prefer if you kept god/God out of this.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 12:39

      @DjCapiche This is a religious story and N24 would not have mentioned a church and you would not have mentioned a church as if you did not believe it is somewhere special. Its not. It is just another place of business.

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-23 17:31

      Godfrey...should be spelled Godless..... I have pity on you but you are obviously ignorant due to an ill brain program. If you do not understand God or if your parents fail to educate you in accordance with the Holy Scripts... why dont you just shut up and keep your opinions to yourself? If you have nothing to look forward to in your existance, why do you question other people? You do not believe in God which meaqns you are just like the beasts in the velt...... Why bother to make the kind of remarks you are making?

  • Nlgga - 2012-02-13 09:53

    Where is the mob when you need them, the community should arrange bail for this man...once he is out..do hiss @ss mob style

  • rofras - 2012-02-13 09:58

    Whats wrong with eastern Cape man? cant they hold their horses?

  • Adri - 2012-02-13 10:49

    Was going to comment about the story at hand, but reading your comments bellow, there's a couple of narrow minded morons here. Think you have the same mentality as the rapist that went to the police station to find out IF a rape was reported. dumb @ss.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 11:07

      Agreed. These religious people are impossibly narrow minded and confused.

      Susan - 2012-02-14 08:40

      Until it's your friend, family or daughter who gets raped........then you'll change your tune

  • Pat - 2012-02-13 10:52

    What a bloody stupid thing to do. Go and ask the police! Hello! This bastard deserves to be caught and I hope justice prevails!

  • Jozelle - 2012-02-13 11:08

    Hi Ryno........you question whether "believers" have evidence of God's Existence? Do you have evidence of His non-existence? Please do share. No after thoughts or comparisons with reality.....scientific evidence please. If not, let the people believe what they will.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 11:17

      @Jozelle What you have written only becomes relevant once you've convinced me that you have a rational argument for the existence of God. Don't bother telling me how you reconcile your God with evil, or why you believe in miracles, or why transcendence is important in your life, or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Don't insult my intelligence by pointing out that religion has done a lot of good things in the past as if that were proof of the existence of the supernatural. Don't be silly enough to try proving god by telling me that religion makes people feel good. So does chocolate, and wine. 'm 100% certain the Tooth Fairy does not exist. There is no wiggle room. It's not 99.9% certain and if new evidence arrives I'll change my mind. If new evidence arrived for the Tooth Fairy, I'd assume it was a hoax - and so would you. No matter what happens you will never believe in the Tooth Fairy because you know for certain that the Tooth Fairy does not exist. I perceive your God in the same way.

      Mark - 2012-02-13 11:28

      there is as much evidence of god's non-existence as there is of the non-existence of santa claus, the tooth fairy, leprechauns, the easter bunny, the invisible pink unicorn and the flying spaghetti monster. jozelle - are you saying they are all real? and if not, why not? what evidence can you present that makes god's existence more compelling than that of santa?

      Gerhard - 2012-02-13 11:59

      OMG, the Tooth Fairy does not exist??? That's it, my life is over.....

      Jozelle - 2012-02-13 12:11

      Hi Guys. Why should I make you believe that God exists when you cannot make me believe that he doesnt. I cannot scientifically validate God's divine existence just as you cannot scientifically discount his absence or non-existence; so we are on level playing fields. Dont ridicule my belief if you are not 100% sure of yours!

      ryno.rousseau - 2012-02-13 12:13

      Russel's Teapot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot And your argument has just been dominated.

      Jozelle - 2012-02-13 12:19

      But evidence is "scientific". "Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true." My point exactly.....taken from Russel's teapot.

      ryno.rousseau - 2012-02-13 12:37

      Lol, you quote it without knowing what it means xD its priceless when the religious types defeat themselves in an arugment.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 12:53

      @Jozelle At least you have been forced to admit that your evidence for god = 0. And by evidence I mean ordinary, testable evidence and not tautologies. (the bible is evidence of what ancients thought and wrote about which is not evidence for a god). There is no rational evidence of a god. The only way to dispute that notion is to provide compelling evidence to the contrary, and not since the beginning of time has anyone ever produced any compelling evidence. Unless "I can feel him in my heart" or "uncle albert had gout until he prayed to jesus, who cured him of it" is your compelling evidence. ha ha. Yours is an unsurprisingly common claim, especially by Christians on the Internet. I'll be blunt. It's a false claim. It's untrue. There are no verifiable or trustworthy contemporary accounts of the person known as Jesus of Nazareth. The Gospels are not accurate, are internally inconsistent, and of unknown authorship. They do not qualify for being historical or evidential sources any more than Babe qualifies as evidence of talking pigs. Harsh, but true. No one cannot prove an absence of a 'god' - the notion is absurd.

      Jozelle - 2012-02-13 12:55

      Ryno.........please educate me on the meaning instead of ridiculing me. I have not once ridiculed you or your beliefs. It is neither an argument nor something I would like to win. All I am saying is that the existence or non-existence of God cannot be scientifically debated as it cannot be deduced to a "scientific question". Thus one is just left with a belief. I choose to beleive that God exists. You choose to believe that He doesnt. Who is right? Who is wrong? We both dont know. What if God does not exist? Well, I would have just spent my life believing in something, trying to be a better man, husband, father, citizen, a better doctor. I would have lost nothing! But if He does exist..........!

      Mark - 2012-02-13 13:04

      @Jozelle: how do i prove the non-existence of something that doesn't exist? believe me, just as i KNOW that the tooth fairy doesn't exist, i KNOW that there is no god. 100 %. no doubt. absolutely positive. of course, i cannot prove that the tooth fairy doesn't exist, so continue with your delusion and perhaps she'll leave some money next to your pillow as a reward for your faith.

      ryno.rousseau - 2012-02-13 13:12

      Lol, all you've done is moved away from Russel's Teapot, and straight into Pascal's Wager. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager I do not have the patience to educate you, because you are a fundamentalist. Even if we had irrefutable proof that there was no God, you'd stick your fingers in your ears and tell us we're lying. I'm not trying to convert you, but hopefully you will at least begin to think how utterly silly your beliefs are, and why you believe them.

      Jozelle - 2012-02-13 13:19

      @Ryno.........I feel so sad for you! I pray that you have a blessed day and that God's grace, love and mercy be upon you.......even if you dont believe it!

      ryno.rousseau - 2012-02-13 13:24

      Oh goodie, you get to say some words in your head, and suddenly I am blessed. Carry on with your stupidity and ignorance. I sincerely hope you don't pass it on to your children.

      Jozelle - 2012-02-13 13:29

      @Ryno........Hope is only deferred in the grave!

      Martino - 2012-02-13 14:07

      Ryno, we see your unbelief as stupidity and ignorance. What difference does it make?

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 14:08

      @Jozelle I note you have avoided responding to the issues I raised. Amusing and interesting. I feel so sad for you! I pray that you have a blessed day and that God's grace, love and mercy be upon you.......even if you dont believe it! Praying in public now are we? When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. - Matthew 6:5 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. - Matthew 6:6 Xians like being seen conversing with their deity...gives them an air of piety to brandish around.

      John - 2012-02-13 14:18

      @ Godfrey. "If new evidence arrived for the Tooth Fairy, I'd assume it was a hoax... I perceive your God in the same way". Just proves how objective and open minded you really are... "Don't bother telling me how you reconcile your God with evil, or why you believe in miracles, or why transcendence is important in your life, or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Don't insult my intelligence by pointing out that religion has done a lot of good things in the past as if that were proof of the existence of the supernatural. Don't be silly enough to try proving god by telling me that religion makes people feel good. So does chocolate, and wine". She hasn't done any of these things... Seems you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder to evoke such a harsh reaction.

      Jozelle - 2012-02-13 14:34

      @Godfrey..if you took the time to read you will notice that I did answer your question. "All I am saying is that the existence or non-existence of God cannot be scientifically debated as it cannot be deduced to a "scientific question". Thus one is just left with a belief. I choose to believe that God exists. You choose to believe that He doesnt. Who is right? Who is wrong? We both dont know. What if God does not exist? Well, I would have just spent my life believing in something, trying to be a better man, husband, father, citizen, a better doctor. I would have lost nothing! But if He does exist..........!". @Ryno.........we both believe in something. How can your belief be more right than mine? You can say that my beliefs are ignorant and naive and I could say that yours are stupid and intolerable. Where does that leave us. Please read, assimilate and try to understand the text before replying negatively to my comments.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 15:16

      Jozell You believe something as fact without a shred of evidence. Belief without evidence = faith Faith allows you to believe whatever you want, whether it's true or not, based solely on how good it makes you feel. It's the essence of selfishness fed by self-induced ignorance. Ignore your logic, the evidence, even ignore what's better for humanity, just as long as it soothes you inside. Your illusion of eternal paradise, guardian angels, scapegoats, and pretending to know things no one could possibly know are the prizes you're challenged to forfeit. The "heroic" act of Faith is a far more attractive and easy option.

  • KallieHungBal - 2012-02-13 11:31

    Just bare with me for a minute. I don't want you as Christians to fight with me, but rather try to help. Here are 2 reasons why I, as a Pastor's grandson, struggle to believe. A few years ago a gospel singer's wife was raped in PE. Afterwords she said she could feel Jesus/God holding her hand and helping her be strong while this guy was raping her. My question is; Why didn't God warn her a few minutes before? Why didn't He tell her to run like hell cause someone is coming to rape her? Why does He let these things happen to people who devote their lives to Him? Same happened here. The Bible clearly says in Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." This means God was present when this little girl was raped at church? How could he let this happen?

      Martino - 2012-02-13 11:50

      @KallieHungBal What about all the thousands of martyrs who died for Jesus' sake the past 2000 years? Jesus did not promise us a trouble-free life here on Earth. He said that we would have to face tribulation and persecution. This world is broken and full of evil, don't tell me you don't know why. Christians are still subjected to physical violence and abuse, just like anybody else. It is the hereafter that matters more. I hope this is helpful.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 12:56

      @Martino That is no more proof for god than people murdered by god believers during the same period. I see you are learning from American Jesus to play the victim card.

      Martino - 2012-02-13 13:44

      Lol Godfrey, for goodness' sake, did I say it is a proof??? It was meant as an explanation which you, Godfrey, fail to understand.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 14:05

      Its called backtracking. You raised a straw man - I shot it down. Sorry!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-13 11:42

    Atheism: the other great religion.

      Johan - 2012-02-13 11:58

      Unlike theists, atheists don't go out and "spread the word". I have never had an atheist knocking on my door trying to "convert" me. Have you? The only time you will hear from atheists is when their rights are being undermined by theists. Our constitution promises freedom of religion. As soon as theists accept that that also implies freedom FROM religion, and leave atheists alone, atheists will leave theists alone.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 12:56

      Atheism is not a religion. Atheism simply asserts that there is no god; it has no philosophy or doctrine. But don't worry. Atheism is an intelligence test which you may be able to do eventually.

      Johan - 2012-02-13 13:11

      Kenny, did you miss my second paragraph?

      Martino - 2012-02-13 13:36

      "The only time you will hear from atheists is when their rights are being undermined by theists." Johan, then why are you commenting here? Is this news report undermining your rights by any means?

      Johan - 2012-02-13 14:27

      Martino, this news post was again an opportunity to illustrate how absurd religion is. I feel I have to do this because theists do not respect my right to "freedom of religion", or rather "freedom from religion". I thought it was in the constitution, but the recent threats by christians to boycott TopTV over a porn channel reminded me that we are not there yet.

  • Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-02-13 11:51

    Dumb and dumber!

  • Phillip - 2012-02-13 12:36

    I find it extremely distasteful that athiests would use such an event to further their own personal cause. Ryno started it at 9:50 followed by Godfrey at 10:26. Evil happens everywhere. Have a sense of decency man !

      ryno.rousseau - 2012-02-13 13:22

      Decency would be not to mire ourselves in superstition. If we weren't so dependant on "god" to be ultimate sense of right and justice, maybe we'd actually manage to get something done, rather than stew in this blatant and unmitigated stupidity. The tragedy can be a catalyst for people to catch a wake up call and stop thinking prayer (which is free, requires no effort, and has zero effect) will solve the problems.

      Martino - 2012-02-13 13:40

      Ryno, and you think we're just going to give up our faith because of this incident? Dream on, aint gonna happen! Why are you still trying?

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 14:03

      We never the raised the religious issue in case you are not aware of the fact that the writer of the article made it one. If this had happened in house, flat, shop, warehouse or other place it probably would not have been in the headline. And note, the religious seem to think that it is more shocking because it took place :in a place of refuge". Anyway you guys claim this god see everything and loves protects his flock. Seems he doesn't and all this religious energy and money is wasted on the non-existent. This is a classic case of believing that being offended by something entitles one to special rights and privileges. It doesn't.

      Martino - 2012-02-13 14:14

      "We never the raised the religious issue in case you are not aware of the fact that the writer of the article made it one." No, Godfrey, you thought: "Aha, another article with a religious connection. Let's jump for this opportunity to attack believers again." We know your type. Stop lying, man.

      Phillip - 2012-02-13 14:47

      Godfrey you were the second to raise the God issue. Fact. The story was about a rape man! Just goes to show how arrogant and pathetic you must be in order for you to push your own destructive agenda based upon someone else's misfortune.

      Johan - 2012-02-13 14:53

      Phillip, it is not "a destructive agenda". Religion is destructive.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 15:21

      I just love it when the only response from evangelical christans is to claim that atheists are forcing some or other agenda on the them. They love the word agenda, its an American Jesus term, usually used as in "Gay agenda". Its such and obvious straw man to divert attention from their lack of real answers.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 15:23

      @Johan Pastor held for starving kids to death http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Teen-raped-at-Eastern-Cape-church-20120213 Destructive is almost to mild a term to use for this bloody nonsense.

      Johan - 2012-02-13 15:35

      Godfrey, you are preaching to the choir. But I think you meant this link: http://www.news24.com/World/News/Pastor-held-for-starving-kids-to-death-20120213

  • Louise Higham - 2012-02-13 13:06

    What a scum bag, hope he ends up in jail and gets raped every hour.

  • Tamsyn - 2012-03-02 17:07

    Personally I am an atheist but that does not mean I have the right to talk down to other people with complete and utter disdain at their beliefs. I do not care whether you are a Christian, a Muslim, a Wiccan or you believe in the flying spaghetti monster, each and every one of you have the right to believe in whatever you want. From my perspective the reason I “abandoned” my faith was just because there as just too much that has been proven by scientists that discounts certain elements of the Christian bible. I believe in the theory of evolution, little green men from outer space, dinosaurs, certain elements of the supernatural and I am all for gay / lesbian equality even though I am 100% straight. That and the fact that most wars have been started through religious conflict and yet these various religions preach about peace and unity. However I do not think that people who are believers are idiots. If what you need in your life is a little bit of faith in a higher power to make your life a better experience and inspire you to be a better person then so be it. However to say that this article was a religious one is completely ridiculous. The fact that the reporter used the word ‘church’ doesn’t make it a religious article, it merely tells the reader where the girls where when they were attacked. He could have used the word mall but that wouldn’t make it a shopping article.

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