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Teen was shot 3 times by cop - ICD

2012-02-16 13:01

Johannesburg - The Soweto teenager apparently killed by a student policeman was shot three times, the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) said on Thursday.

"He was shot three times. Once in the back, once in the forehead, and once in the stomach," said ICD spokesperson Moses Dlamini. A post mortem would be done by Friday.

Thato Mokoka, 16, was killed outside the home of his grandmother, Sybil Mokoka, in Bramfisherville Phase Two on Tuesday.

Dobsonville police had raided the boy's home after neighbours told them he had an unlicensed gun.

The boy was a Grade 9 pupil at Kgatelopele Secondary School.

No one had been arrested for the killing, Dlamini said.

"The investigation is still under way. You don't just arrest because of allegations. We must first establish that that was the case."

Student constable

Earlier on Thursday, Dlamini said a police student constable was guarding the teenager, but no one saw exactly what happened. The ICD was taking statements.

According to reports on Thursday, Mokoka was lying on his stomach with his hands above his head when the policeman allegedly fired.

Police spokesperson Warrant Officer Kay Makhubela confirmed that the case had been handed over to the ICD and that a murder case had been opened.

Democratic Alliance spokesperson Kate Lorimer MP said the policeman had to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

In a statement, she said a number of questions should be answered in the investigation into the incident.

"Did the police have a warrant to search the property where a minor lived? If not, on what evidence did they conduct a search?

"Why did the police members allegedly assault the two girls who were with Thato in his room? Why was Thato shot in the back while lying down? What are the rights of a minor in such circumstances?" Lorimer asked.

However, Dlamini said all reports at this stage were speculative and that the ICD would issue a statement on the details and any arrests.

Comments
  • iGeorge_S - 2012-02-16 13:10

    7 times, 5 times.... 3 times. Does it matter, the kid is dead and we need to know why.

      Hugh - 2012-02-16 13:57

      or was he shot at all? At this rate by the next report no shots would have been fired.

      lebo.lathane - 2012-02-16 14:00

      Couldn't agree more! The number of shots is immaterial...it's the circumstances under which it all happened that are in question. I for one am afraid of these people in blue and I don't think that's right, at least not in a democracy.

      Cindy - 2012-02-16 14:02

      Quite agree, whether he was shot once, three times, seven times or with an automatic rifle fact remains he was an innocent (remember he was suspected of a crime but no charged) unarmed civilian who was gunned down like a rabid dog by the SAPS!

      E=MC2 - 2012-02-16 14:17

      sensationalism, followed by some actual investigative journalism, followed by the truth... its the news24 way

      J-Man - 2012-02-16 14:22

      @ E=MC2 - exactly.

      Willie - 2012-02-16 14:38

      The method of recruitment of anyone who wants to join the security forces in this country is wrong.People who want a job they should not be considered at all because this is not a job. 1: pre appointing---- recruits should be screen and be subjected to psycological grilling 2: Physical training and combined with high level of psycological testing 3: If you pass 1 and 2 you must go for training for two years and learn various acts e.g criminal act,court procidure,how to write a docket etc If you fail number 1 is automatic rejection 2:

      jogesig - 2012-02-16 15:54

      @ willie you have just outlined the exact process the SAPS use to appoint policeman. Although the problem is point 3 is training *on duty under supervision*, and its easy to pass all the tests. Sources : Experience

      Nina - 2012-02-20 09:28

      This was totally unnecessary!! the guy was already lying on the floor, with someones foot on top of him...Really?? *UNNACCEPTABLE*

  • sibiya.nqubeko - 2012-02-16 13:11

    Such gruesomeness!

      yolie.Landa - 2012-02-16 14:35

      THe "neighbours" who reported the boy had an unlicenced gun are probably biting their tongues now....

  • Andrew - 2012-02-16 13:22

    My poser is, should a student policeman be armed? Is so had he been properly trained in the handling of such a weapon? People who require a firearm licence must show they have received training in handling of such firearms. It is scary to think this shooting of a young boy happened while he was lying prone face down. RIP Thato.

  • Susan - 2012-02-16 13:33

    If it was my son - it would be one very dead student constable! I would kill him with my bare hands! How can we ever trust the police after an incident like this! How can this be?

      Marcell - 2012-02-16 13:44

      If you trusted the police farce before this you must be one crazy person.

  • Dean du Preez - 2012-02-16 13:34

    wat was the kid doing with a fire arm in the first place?robbery?highjack?

      Susan - 2012-02-16 13:41

      Dean the kid could be living in the townships. With police like ours, he could (if he had a gun) have it for self protection. I do not say it is right but at 15 years boys do take risks and they do irresponsible things. That is NOT the issue though. The issue is the brutal MURDER of a 15 year old boy by the South African Police.

      Honest Raymond Makoi - 2012-02-16 13:52

      Before making statements learn how to read and interpret first!

      Hugh - 2012-02-16 13:58

      What gun?

      Deon - 2012-02-16 14:16

      It sounds like he had no gun on him and he was excecuted while defenceless. This is plain murder.

      Andriaan - 2012-02-16 20:06

      @Susan if he had a gun, it was not for self protection. Wake up and smell the roses, you are talking crap. To the rest- Let the ICD investigate and get the real story. You are all just speculating and jumping on the band wagon here with no facts at all. Who said the student was not a female and attacked by this "poor Kid"? Who said the kid was not already an seasoned criminal? I say again get the merits before you blow your horns. If it shows the student was wrong, charge him or her. Until then innocent until proven guilty.

      zamom - 2012-02-17 10:58

      He did not have a firearm...he was accused of having one./..slight difference...

      Nina - 2012-02-20 09:33

      Dean , there was no gun. This was based on what the police heard. At most the police should search the premises. No resistance, no fighting...this kid did not deserve to die like this. Even if he did have a gun, he was not hostile.

  • StarStruck - 2012-02-16 13:41

    Speculations have everyone jumping to conclusions. News 24 should add a 'ball' to all articles and the 'ball' would then change color from green = very reliable source to red = I heard it from a friend. I think it will work and the comments would be less distracted by false information or speculation.

      Marcell - 2012-02-16 13:46

      What about the people that is colour blind?

      StarStruck - 2012-02-16 13:58

      I fotgot about them. How about having the word green, orange and red spelled out next to the ball.

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-02-16 13:57

    7. Then 5 now 3 . Next they going to say he wasn't shot , died of natural causes. I think this cop has political connections.

  • Josh - 2012-02-16 14:01

    ANC, this child's blood is on your hands, just like Tatane's just like so many others that have been brutally murdered on your watch by you services.

      ozling - 2012-02-16 14:12

      chief you lost it what does this has anythig to do with the mighty ANC?

      Josh - 2012-02-16 14:23

      Funding, training, leadership, example setting, direction, education, governance, development, responsibility. These are some of the things that the ANC or (government in general) have to do (or should have to do) with the police. The ANC about as mighty as a bowel movement. At least a bowel movement has direction....

  • Rodney - 2012-02-16 14:10

    LMAO! All the speculation, accusations and the like, until the investigation is completed (hopefully correctly but i doubt that) no one can really accuse anyone of anything. The police do not need a search warrant when allegations of a firearm are made. What is puzzling is the fact the boy was shot in the back and the front. Which came first is the big question. It is amazing how many people jump on the bandwagon without knowing the facts, like a comedy sketch in here sometimes.

  • MissGremlinSays - 2012-02-16 14:20

    The report of the boy being shot in "the back" speaks volumes, as far as I am concerned. I am going to assume (?) that as this information has been released by the IDC, after their initial investigation, that the report is accurate.

      MissGremlinSays - 2012-02-16 14:33

      *ICD not IDC

  • Fanie - 2012-02-16 14:23

    THE BIG QUESTION THAT MUST BE ASKED IS WHAT THE HEL WAS A STUDENT POLICEMAN DOING WITH A WEAPON? IT SEEMS THIS IS NOT SO IMPORTANT.

  • heath.liversedge - 2012-02-16 14:38

    One has to seriously ask where our Police force is going. Firstly - A minor shot in the back whilst lying on the ground. ( who is he endangering) Secondly - What is a student constable doing in possession of a firearm. (no training) Thirdly - What is a student constable doing on the scene. (students are not allowed to leave the station). The shift leader as well as the station commander should be asked these questions, and if need be charge them as well.

  • sadbe - 2012-02-16 14:51

    Eish. I am afraid!

  • Nomakhwezi Ngoma - 2012-02-16 16:14

    overkill

  • flysouth - 2012-02-16 16:19

    The ANC's SAPS-uniform-wearing-militia is clearly out of control - but then we have known that fact for a while now! The draconian Firearms Act of 200 allows search without a warrant merely on 'suspicion' that a firearm is present in a dwelling, vehicle or vessel and this is taken by the average 2-cell brain of many cops to mean that they can do what they want to any person suspected of having a firearm. In addition the training of police in firearm handling and discipline is appallingly bad - that has been reported many times and even admitted by SAPS, along with numerous excuses why this should be so! Any police shooting must always be investigated thoroughly - and where several bullets are used to kill or wound a 'suspect' the cop concerned and his lethal actions must be looked at with great circumspection - just as would be the case when a private citizen firearm-owner shoots in self-defence.

  • Vic - 2012-02-17 11:01

    i do not trust the police at all. I will never put my life in their hands.

  • Itse - 2012-02-17 18:06

    Why are tsotsis always victims?

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