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Terre'Blanche witness 'pathetic'

2012-02-02 12:22

Ventersdorp - A woman police constable’s ability to read and explain rights to two people arrested for killing rightwing leader Eugene Terre'Blanche came under fire on Thursday.

Constable Kedibone Sophie Mokwele was asked by a defence lawyer in the High Court sitting in Ventersdorp to read a phrase written in English and explain it Setswana.

She was unable to do so, prompting defence lawyer Kgomotso Tlouane to say: "Madam, you are pathetic".

Tlouane is acting for Chris Mahlangu who, along with a minor, is accused of beating Terre'Blanche to death in his farmhouse outside Ventersdorp on April 3, 2010.

Both have pleaded not guilty to murder, housebreaking, and robbery with aggravating circumstances. Mahlangu claims he acted in self defence. The teenager has denied involvement in the crime.

Rights

In a trial within a trial on Thursday on the admissibility of evidence, the constable said she read the accused their rights after their arrest, first in English and then explained the contents in Setswana.

It was at this point that Tlouane asked her to read a phrase from the notice of rights. She was unable to do so.

"How do you explain the rights to a person when you yourself do not understand it?" he asked her.

He contended she had not seen the document before. Earlier, Mokwele maintained she had read and explained the rights to Mahlangu and the minor.

"I asked [Mahlangu] if he understood. He indicated that he understood and then signed," she said.

Zola Majavu, for the minor, cross-examined Mokwele after Tlouane and questioned her proficiency in English. She admitted she would struggle to continue her conversation with Majavu without the court interpreter.

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Comments
  • Peter - 2012-02-02 12:28

    So...is the ability to read, not a requirement is the police? no wonder they suck so much! well...most of them

      Peter - 2012-02-02 12:31

      This case is going to get blown out of the water because of pure flipping incompetence!

      Kim - 2012-02-02 12:32

      Read???? Dare ask them to write your statement.

      Jono - 2012-02-02 12:32

      I wonder who is getting paid to screw Terre'Blanche over one more time!?

      FlowingRivers - 2012-02-02 13:34

      Blanket amnesty to all politically motivated crime......!

      Andre - 2012-02-02 13:39

      Peter, the selection process consists of weighing the candidates. They do not need to be able to read or write. After they join they are not weighed again! Simple.

      Celtis - 2012-02-02 14:04

      She can read and vote! She knows the difference between ANC and KFC.

      procold2 - 2012-02-02 14:07

      ridiculous

      Randall - 2012-02-02 15:04

      im pretty sure the problem was not reading the notice of rights it was translating it into setswana... just as your issue isn't reading this article so much as understanding it.

      Andrew - 2012-02-02 15:50

      Dont forget in RSA criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens. This has once again been proven in this murder case, may as well stop the proceedings now and set these two free.

      Frank - 2012-02-02 17:19

      It's one thing when Government's empowerment policies are applied to commerce and companies struggle as a result thereof, it is a completely different ball game when they are applied to the justice system and criminals are able to escape prosecution due to the incompetencies introduced into the system by those policies. Every South African suffers because of this.

      Jou - 2012-02-02 18:52

      I suspect that the SAPF are themselves corrupting the case. These two will walk.

      Wesley - 2012-02-02 19:18

      Just thinking, wasn't this all done on purpose. It is actually a pot sn_t. Somebody is dead and now they fight because the criminal's rights were not taken into consideration. Sick

      Chrono - 2012-02-03 10:32

      Pre-1994 matric was a requirement for an appointment in the SAPS. Post-1994 even cleaners who were ANC supporters have been promoted to officers.

  • Merkwaardig - 2012-02-02 12:29

    I really think that if the case collapses because of shoddy police work, the SA taxpayer should bring a case against the minister of police for criminal negligence in allowing graduation of incompetent police officers from the police academy.

      VaMbozha - 2012-02-02 12:35

      do they have an academy!!!!?????

      Dirk - 2012-02-02 13:56

      Actually the local shebeen where they get together to discuss "strategy" for the next day

      Peter - 2012-02-02 13:59

      yeah...kind of makes you wonder if she even WROTE a test or how she managed to read the oath before she started working, doesn't it?

      Jou - 2012-02-02 18:55

      My mate who retired from the Force as a Captain and now goes around the world giving leactures on forensic investigations cannot get back in.....but this thing gets in on her bleckness.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 22:43

      @VaMbozha,yes they do @Dirk , unamanga nx! @Peter, no it doesnt @Joumaseperd, if you retire from service, re employment is not a guarantee

      carpejugulim - 2012-02-03 07:13

      @ Hugo re-employment back into the force isn't a guarantee but there are plenty of good policemen and women that resigned because of what was happening in the service. Sadly, the current SAP would probably benefit from their expertise and work ethic but they are not afforded the opportunity to return to a service that was a calling ... not just a job

      Jou - 2012-02-03 07:41

      Hugo my mate's wife got back in with no problem.

      Bigwolf - 2012-02-03 09:26

      Now we know why so many top cops leave, they have to work with this rubbish daily and then later say yes sir. A once proud and effective force now a total joke.

  • goyougoodthing - 2012-02-02 12:30

    Not surprised. Any police station in SA it's impossible to get a statement taken in less than 3 hours. They are basically illiterate. I don't know how they pass the entrance challenge.

      TJ - 2012-02-02 15:09

      I live in a small town in a well known road. When we had people jumping our walls and coming onto our premises, it took three phone calls to the police and about 15 minutes per phone call to try explain where we lived. Well, that was a month ago and we are still waiting for them!!! Luckly a friend came to the rescue!

      Lorenzo - 2012-02-02 16:40

      This is the reason I sit for over an hour to finish a bloody case report at the police station, when a 12 year old child could finish it in under 6 minutes.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 17:57

      Lorenzo,you mean a twelve year old can write a police report and record all the facts and technicalities in just under six mins? wow

      Julie - 2012-02-02 20:48

      Some years ago a black lady working for me asked me to please take her to the police station to have a tatty and torn document copied and attested, so off we went. This doc only had her name, ID no and work address, and some or other personal statement consisting of no more than six lines that just had to be copied verbatim by a SAP member and then attested and stamped. The actual statement was undamaged - the paper was merely falling to pieces along the fold lines, so nothing was illegible. Believe it or not, it took this SAP member no less than 30 minutes just to copy out the actual statement of 6 lines - not her personal details nor signing and stamping it - just a 6-line statement... and the original statement was not illegible either - in fact, it was quite neatly written out, but this moron had to stop and spell out virtually everything letter by letter... EISH...................

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 22:44

      @ Julie, its SAPS, SAP was disbanded in '94,people!

      Michael - 2012-02-03 03:23

      @hugo, you are itching for an argument aren't you... I have had an experience with illiterate cops, and yes, a 12 year old child would do a better job! Now get a life, and go pick a fight elsewhere. Your little one liners are quite retarded actually, they might be funny in your local police station, but not where adults and people with an IQ above 5 hang out

      carpejugulim - 2012-02-03 08:01

      @ Hugo ... with the re-introduction of military ranks didn't the SAPS return to being a Force not a Service?

      Lorenzo - 2012-02-03 10:16

      @Hugo. Yes… Yes they could. Have you ever completed a police report. It’s not exactly rocket science.

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 11:14

      Michael I am not itching for an argument just voicing my opinion, forgive me if my opinion opposes yours.My IQ is 136( when I was 19).You may be older than me but I am now an adult(young adult they say).The chaps at my local police station are a funny lot,I am sure they would.ciao

      PointBlank - 2012-02-03 13:52

      @Lorenzo, a police statement is not easy. you need to capture every little detail, stop talking nonsense. A simple fender bender can be over 2 pages long..

  • Gary - 2012-02-02 12:34

    So these 2 will get off because a fellow countryman cannot read and was probably appointed because she was black and in the line for a social grant. The justice system and police in this country is a joke.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:03

      Gary,can YOU read? or is it a case of not comprehending what is written? the article talked about translating from english to seTswana,and the defence attorney merely gave his opinion probably to strengthen his defence.After all he is an attorney at law not a linguist,so his opinion should not hold much sway.However I do not want to take the opportunity of denigrating blacks and pissing at attempts to reverse the past injustices, that has been availed by the aforementioned article ,away.

  • Riëtte - 2012-02-02 12:42

    It seems to me that the people involved in this are slowly messing it up so that it can head to a mistrail / innocent finding. She explained it to them when they were arrested, now she can't? I think there is something very fishy going on here.

      kobus.devilliers1 - 2012-02-02 15:07

      I totally agree, they play stupid .....

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:10

      you people are irredeemable , slow thinking bigots.Just because the perpetrators,defence,prosecution and investigation team have a different skin color to that of the victim does not mean there is conspiracy to circumvent the law and unjustifiable acquit criminals.I get reminded of a certaine Mr Stein, a violent farmer in Ventersdorp who mercilessly assaulted a woman and her grown mother only for his margistrate friend to acquit him.(he was recharged,just so you know).Drop the siege mentallity it makes you lot look and sound like wussies

      adrian.strydom - 2012-02-03 06:33

      @Hugo...with your spelling and punctuation you'd make a superb policeman...ever thought about it ?

      Peter - 2012-02-03 07:53

      Sad thing Hugo, is that wether your defense is justifiable or not, we have a shockingly incompetent police service, fact. Wether it has to do with race or not is debatible, but their uselessness is not. And in my experience, they are shockingly racist. Don't bring up the past SAP, yes they were too, but the current regime claims it stands for non racism so this excuse cannot justify it. No excuse can justify it. I have no respect for our SAPS at all, they do nothing to earn it.

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 09:46

      Adriaan,nope ,prefer the technical stuff like mechanical engineering,savvy?

      Linda - 2012-02-03 13:10

      Hugo, I see no response from you to Peter's comment. What's the problem? No comeback?

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 13:42

      Linda,I was not planning on responding to Peter.Since you've asked then I may. @Peter I agree 100%

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 13:45

      and yes Peter they are racist.I am not sure if you heard about the two cops who were dismissed for attacking a black attorney on his drive way for some silly reason.When they stumbled upon his business card they knew that the proverbial sh*t had hit the fan.

  • nkosiab - 2012-02-02 12:42

    shocking!!!!

      Johnson - 2012-02-02 21:25

      well that is what we have these days - people will still vote ANC

  • schalk.mattheys - 2012-02-02 12:44

    Makes me take a long and hard look at where we all stand in SA's current judicial system, starting at the point where a crime is recorded by a police official. If a police official cannot even read, how can they write an exam, and I assume you have to write an exam before being appointed a custidian of the law, or is that no longer a requirement in SA?

      Wendy - 2012-02-02 13:01

      I believe the judicial system has already broken down .. files can't be found as they aren't filed .. just thrown into a big pile in a room I hear!

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:17

      @Wendy, you have either been lied to or you are lying to us.In either case you do not come across as a bright woman 1) for believing such nonsense 2) thinking any one will.

      Peter - 2012-02-03 08:00

      Hugo, you been to the local police offices lately. Try finding out a simple thing like who the investigating officer in a case is. Maybe your local station has a competent station commander, ours is a complete ridiculous mess. They can't even answer a phone properly - just a dull "alo". You ask - "is this the police charge office" - answer - "ehh!" - its just unbelievable. So Wendy is right, if going on my personal experience with the cops. Every dealing with them is extremely frustrating, like dealing with brain dead, prideless people.

  • Lwads - 2012-02-02 12:46

    And she's in a public sector, lack of education sure proves to be costly nowadays but then I guess its acceptable within the ruling party.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:19

      what ruling party? did anyone say anything about any ruling party?

      Peter - 2012-02-03 08:02

      Hugo, the ruling party has created these exceptionally low standards - in every part of the government, not just the SAPS. So yes, its all about the ruling (do they actually rule anything?) party.

  • Bryan - 2012-02-02 12:46

    Incompetence?? Never

  • Leon - 2012-02-02 12:51

    So much for affirmative matric

      david.lebethe - 2012-02-02 13:35

      Affirmative action is a longtime practice by successive governments, including the Nationalist Party. Otherwise how do you account for a number of afrikaaners who worked in the railways and the police. And most were wanting intellectually.

      TJ - 2012-02-02 15:14

      Lavid.lebethe. I take exception to your comment. My father, who was English to the bone, was on the railways, and, as were most of the railways guys at that time, VERY dedicated to his job, working long hours without complaints. All my father's collegues were very intelligent people. Unlike now when they strike because the overtime 'inconveniences' them and the trains are always late or being derailed!!!! Now there is a complete mess in the railways and SAPS!!! No more dedication or intelligence.

      Ronald - 2012-02-02 15:55

      David, if a policeman wanted to advance in rank he had to study through a public college and pass the subject in order to get promoted through the ranks as a non commissioned officer. Only the quality of your intellect counted. Only thereafter would you have to pass special in-house courses at Officers Training College to advance as an officer. Today you can advance from trainee to an officer in a matter of months, depending on who you know.

      matthew.mulholland1 - 2012-02-02 16:12

      @ David, I must say that I remember the horrendous attitude and lack of service in government departments under the Nationallist government. I have no doubt that many black people could have done a better job than many of those behind the counter back then (not a blanket judgment TJ). The problem I have is that you seem to excuse todays behavior through the ills of the past. Both are wrong as voted by 66.6% of the whites in this country. I would love to respect you for your fire but cannot find any motivation for your comments besides racism and an inability to move on. I hope you will start to come at things from a holistic angle that takes the good of all into account so that you may give the boring rhetoric of the racist whites on this forum a much needed challenge, from a solid believable base. Be an example David, anybody can shout their mouth off.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:23

      TJ,did economics at vars and delved into much detail about the apartheid economy and job creation , it turns out the correctionals and railways services were stuffed with dangerously illiterate rural Afrikaners who would not have been hired anywhere else(except to do low skill jobs,then a preserve of our fathers).Perhaps your pap was a foreman

      Peter - 2012-02-03 08:10

      David, you're correct in that plenty of really useless white people were looked after by the previous regime. Unfortunately, it pales into insignificance when compared to the current regime. What frustrates me is that in the private sector there are so many highly competent black people, but in the government its only the worst of the worst! Don't judge people though just due to who they worked for - the SAPS and Railways were pretty efficient in apartheid days, they are now a complete chaotic mess - so something is serioiusly wrong, and I think its more to do with the wrong people in employ, not race. Also we now have trade unions which encourage a lack of pride in work, a low work ethic, basically encourage people to be useless and prideless but still demanding, like spoilt children, not adults.

  • Wendy - 2012-02-02 12:57

    so .. of course they will get off ..

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 09:59

      Mathew,I teach maths and science to kasi(township)kids free of charge(extra lessons),I treat every soul with courtesy and respect because I understand that its not yet hunky dory between races i.e insensitive comments like what you read on news24 IS VERY STUPID AND DIVISIVE hence i try to put my self in say the shoes of a 45 year old male Afrikaner who faces retrenchment just cos he is white and male to make room for say a PDI individual ,I do not piss at our country's efforts to redress past inequalities.Thankfully the mob on these thread moves in stealth when off their PCs such that they are hardly noticeable.

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 10:21

      why are you thinking like a donkey brother Mathew?

      PointBlank - 2012-02-03 13:56

      The question is what do you do for your country Matthew??

  • Shirley - 2012-02-02 13:02

    Blame Cele and Selebi,anc for lowering the standards to accomodate the masses without qualifications!The incompetant people make up half of stae run organisations. However I do believe the 2 accused did not need an explanation in their language of what muder is and that its wrong!

      david.lebethe - 2012-02-02 13:25

      Why do you leave out George Fivas and his principal - Andriaan Vlok?

      Johnny - 2012-02-02 13:46

      @david.lebethe - and what about Fivaz an Vlok exactly ???? At least the criteria to join the forces were much higher. No illiterate, idiotic clowns could join... Eish we are going down the toilet !!!!! Illiterate - Uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field.

      Johnny - 2012-02-02 14:03

      about what exactly ??

      Lwads - 2012-02-02 14:05

      @Paul, continue chap, John Place, you are lying ....#Waiting

  • foxiloxi - 2012-02-02 13:03

    So basically two people who hacked a man to death are going to get away with murder !! The whole system, from the police right up to the courts are pathetic!! And please this is not about who this person was, it is about murderers and violent criminals being allowed to wander our streets committing crimes over and over again! You kill once, i promise you, you will kill again!!

      raymond.cowley - 2012-02-02 13:28

      especially if you get away with it

      Lionel - 2012-02-02 13:51

      This response is typical of the average Joe - they are Innocent until proven otherwise, and the trial is far from over - as I said elsewhere in this thread - the Lawyer's playing the gallery - ie taking pot shops/going on a fishing expedition. Prosecutors seldom rely on bungling inept cops to build a case.

      phumlanii - 2012-02-02 14:58

      Well said.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:27

      take a chill pill, no one said they will get away.Besides we are not sure yet if indeed they are guilty of the said crime(legally speaking).Why not allow the law to take its course,isnt that what your beloved DA are always howling abt

  • david.lebethe - 2012-02-02 13:04

    Well....my simple advise is that ET's family should enlist services of Advocate Heath and the investigating officer who pinned Donovan Moodley down to ask for retrial. I am sure Judge Joop Labuschagne will be persuaded this time around.

      Lionel - 2012-02-02 13:53

      @Brian - you obviously can't read: who's the stupid one then?

      jan.calitz1 - 2012-02-02 14:03

      "Planet of the Apes- the movie" in the making! Poor David, probably no education and brain to see any reason!

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:29

      Jan.calitz1. look at the mirror

      PointBlank - 2012-02-03 13:58

      @Brian, are you naturally this stupid?

  • martir02 - 2012-02-02 13:05

    Good shot, now the justice system is working for blacks people as well. Well done Adv Tlouane and Majavu.....

      david.lebethe - 2012-02-02 13:19

      Your comment suggests that you have a scant view about blacks, especially the leanerd ones. To you, Tlouane is a "swart prokereur" and therefore uncapable of asking such a question.

      martir02 - 2012-02-02 17:01

      @david.lebethe. What are you talking about? U not making sense...

      Linda - 2012-02-03 13:23

      You're not making a whole lot of sense either. The justice system is NOT working for black people or any other people.

  • Joseph - 2012-02-02 13:12

    Well we all know that she can not let her little brother go to jail for this, but they are the same people all the people in this country should trust, luckily it is proven over and over SAPS can never be trusted.

      david.lebethe - 2012-02-02 13:23

      I suppose you are even referring to white men and women who are in the police?

      Gary - 2012-02-02 14:13

      @david - show me a honest black policeman, and i'll show you a crooked white one.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:32

      why dont I show you crooked white cops? HINT: Henning murdure

  • John - 2012-02-02 13:23

    What is this case about ? the Murder of ET , or some dum stupid cop that cannot read ? If that's what it cost/take to let murderers go free, - next time you kill someone . don't get yourself a expensive adv bribe the cop to say she cannot read. much more cheaper.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-02 13:31

    Can a man "get it up" when he is +- 68, drink a lot, overweight and use medication( cholesterol, blood pressure and sugar) that all works with the alcohol against him as a "man"? Remember we are not talking of Abraham of the Bible. I just want to know for myself. No offence to the older readers, but I am not so sure if it is possible.

      david.lebethe - 2012-02-02 14:31

      Do you know that Blacks get aroused even their "ouderdom?" At 68, ET was very young to be impotent. In fact, you shouldn't be arguing his case. He should have just asked if he needed help.

      Jeffrey - 2012-02-02 14:37

      No offence taken, but less and less people are getting to see their old age in SA since 1994. That has become one of the sad facts of life these days, if a bullet, panga, burning tyre or AIDS doesn't get one first. Life expectancy in SA has declined alarmingly.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-03 13:18

      I hear what you said about blacks getting aroused even being 68. I think all races can still get aroused, but my question was based on all these factors that works against one. Not even mentioning struggling with some-one, getting out of breath while keeping an erection.( if it was not a half deflated one from the begin) The newest statistics shown that your change to still be potent at 68 are very slim and if you have all these factors against you its none. The newest is that they pick it regularly up in the 30 something age group and prostate problems are now more common in the 40 something groups.

  • ReunionofIntelligentMinds - 2012-02-02 13:37

    As far as I know they should know the rights by heart and must inform accused of his rights otherwise you can sink a case like nothing. Wonder if schooling was of higher quality which grade she would have reached, as well as maybe thousands of likewise twits in the police.

  • Jannie - 2012-02-02 13:48

    i often help police fill out forms and even my own speeding tickets!

      Sipho - 2012-02-03 06:35

      Tells him, Hugo, tells him. he mus show his face and be brave like you are in showing your face. speeking of avatars, youse make me so scared with sucha mean guns and ev eryfink, that i bow down to you as my mastah foreva! you are brave man wif such big gun, showing id... show dem, hugo, show dem!

      adrian.strydom - 2012-02-03 06:41

      @Jannie...I've had to do that too...saves you precious time and preserves your sanity ! @Hugo....my face is on view !

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 10:02

      @Sipho,lol

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 10:03

      Adriaan,ok can see.Are you the red head?jou vrou ? nice one anyway

  • danie.hartzenberg - 2012-02-02 13:48

    That's the reason I left the police after 17 years. Incompetent people like this constable get all the promotions. Give her 3 years and she will be the station commander.

      Johnny - 2012-02-02 13:57

      agreed !!

      brettinlux - 2012-02-02 14:12

      I left because i had 20 years service and my commander only had a std 5 certificate,but we had to do the work for him,because he couldn't read or write in English.They are all getting promoted and screwing up cases like this.

      Johnny - 2012-02-02 15:41

      @Mbulelo - not enough, if this is your take on things !!

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:42

      you guys dont even care about your own dignity as adults.these lies are so porous and stupid if only you could get over yourselves man sies!

  • Drogo - 2012-02-02 13:56

    The black police officials deliberately botch-up this murder-investigation to ensure that the accused would walk free! Why? - because it was a white Afrikaner and political rightwinger that was murdered, that's why. Afrikaners and other white people can'nt even expect basic police assistance in this country anymore. It's one-way black racism and discrimination against Afrikaners all the way.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:42

      meh!!

      PointBlank - 2012-02-03 13:59

      @Drogo, hahahahaha, man you should do stand up..

  • Scouter - 2012-02-02 14:13

    Funny how all the due course of justice falls foul of all the prejudice and vetoric of every day SA life on this foprum - from all sides. Step back from the situation people. We all know that the SAP have screwed this one up big time - and these little sods are quite likely to get away with it through sheer Police incompetence. I don't really care about ET's demise but I do care about due diligence.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:45

      you sound mild but not too informed I am afraid. Defence attorneys will do or say anything to weaken the case against their client(s). if only proffesional qualification were a prerequisite for commenting on these thread!

      Sipho - 2012-02-03 00:22

      @hugo, if any intelijens was rekwired to comment here, u would have to shut up lol lol lol!!!!!!!!!!!! does ur mutha know u is using her internets konektion to post rubish here when she is sleepin?

      adrian.strydom - 2012-02-03 06:52

      @ Sipho....love it...lol !!

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 10:05

      Sipho, please keep my dear mom out of this.I give you the permission to piss on me not my mom,sharp?

  • Deon - 2012-02-02 14:18

    Stop wasting time, all can see theses advocates gets paid by the hour (by the state). The police is not on trial.

  • david.lebethe - 2012-02-02 14:22

    @Brian and Johnny's Place. I, of course, walk with chip on my shoulders and am proud thereof. Blacks have been through it all these years. People who ran after us to look for dompas and knocked at our doors in wee hours of the morning were white police - all stupid. People who killed Steve Biko and came out with Sobukwe clause were whites all fearful of their intellect. As it is you have both not said anything substantive to adavance your argument. In short your comments doen't add any value to the debate except to advance a dead cause.

      Jeffrey - 2012-02-02 14:39

      Didn't Steve Biko commit suicide?

      nditsheni.mungoni - 2012-02-02 14:39

      this country is interesting, there are lots of rights in our constitution, including association and speech. if you do not like your neighbourhood, you are free to go. if you think black people has given "ons vaderland" to the dogs, am sure no one will stop you. those who wants to contribute to this nation -both black and white, for the sake of our children, i suggest they focus their energy in being good citizens. by the way its your choice to remain here in SA

      Johnny - 2012-02-02 15:01

      This is my argument: "Cele acknowledged that in the past, public perception of the SAPS was far from favourable and this was partly due to the poor quality of police officers. In fact it has been an acceptable phenomenon for [those who] fail in all walks of life to then join the SAPS. During this unfortunate phase the image of the police has been severely compromised,” he said." Don't you think that a constable that cannot read contributes to the above? Have you been to a Police station lately and tried to make an affidavit and you get that look of dubiousness ? I for sure are not proud of the state of out National Forces. What does Steve Biko have to do with this ?

  • Philip - 2012-02-02 14:30

    the reason why so many people vote anc is because they think its kfc.banana republic

      Mbulelo - 2012-02-02 15:32

      The reason why so many people vote Anc is simply because of Mandela and all the other fallen heroes of the black struggle.But I will openly admit, as a black man myself,I too am ashamed of what our society has become.Our leaders fought for freedom so we could rebuild and educate ourselves...but all that seems to be happening is the exact opposite. I too as a black man have been affected by the greed and corruption of our governemnt...you can't really expect development when the leaders themselves are the mob

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-02-02 15:42

      I will vote for the ANC as long as Philip still comment here.

      Harald - 2012-02-03 14:18

      paulmandlankosi, you funny man!! hahaha...

  • Sweetness - 2012-02-02 15:04

    South Africa needs to get to International standards. If you have the qualifications you may have the job, whether you are black, white pink or purple. Wake up , incompetency should NEVER be tolerated.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:48

      South Africa does conform to international standards.If you were a proffesional you would know.

  • Preshen - 2012-02-02 15:26

    He had a passion for black stallions but this one was a pony

  • kobus.devilliers1 - 2012-02-02 15:28

    The police and the people behind the murder are playing a well-planned acquittal game. I hope they rot in hell!

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:49

      police cannot acquit anyone,otherwise pray tell how

      Linda - 2012-02-03 13:35

      Hugo, now you really are displaying your ignorance. If the police stuff up their "investigation" badly enough....end of case. Go away.

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 13:52

      @Linda, thanks for the enlightment

  • Mc - 2012-02-02 15:34

    Police officers who cant read and write? Finally I am really glad that I am not South African.

      Gene - 2012-02-02 16:19

      Then why are you here? Why don't you go back to hwere you came from is this is such a bad country?

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:52

      Mc, since you are not SAfrican , can you understand English? The article did not say anything about not being dually literate,ask your trailer roommates to translate it for you , better still ask the cop, lol

  • mashavha - 2012-02-02 15:55

    no wonder they don't go to crime scenes on time

  • Andrew - 2012-02-02 15:57

    We all know in RSA a criminal has more rights than law abiding citizens, so the court may just as well set these 2 free. After all it is just another white person who stole the land from these black people.

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-02-02 16:07

      That's true, set them free

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:55

      you could be right,because a certain gently 'gentle' blue bulls giant killed a man with his bare hands.He is out of jail as we speak.dont mind the race of the said giant and his victim

  • Lana - 2012-02-02 15:58

    She cant read but she is working for the SAP?????

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:56

      no one said she cant read. NO she does not work for the SAP , but for SAPS.good night nou auntie .

  • lhfick - 2012-02-02 16:04

    So now you see what the competent few have to deal with, and the results of affirmative action within the SAPS is costing us! I wish you a crime free day!

  • Easi - 2012-02-02 16:40

    This is so cool. We are all like family now. We come here to bitch and moan about each others race based on the skin colour of the people making the news. Is this true democracy? Is this what god wanted form us all along?

  • Lunga Matholeni - 2012-02-02 16:46

    please bare in mind that the lady got an institutionalized inferior education, she is just another victim of circumstance.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 18:59

      do you know her personally?

  • Jerzy - 2012-02-02 17:21

    So ET was a sodomiser

  • Comrade - 2012-02-02 18:49

    READ....that is not in the Police requirement!!

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 19:05

      of course. you, you know this things

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-02-02 19:48

      @hugo...you are either a troll or you are to dimwhitted to realise that if you comment on every bigotts remarks, sooner or later you become one. Alot can be said about the AK 47 you have for an avataar.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 22:30

      what is 'to dimwhitted'?

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 22:37

      @ronald.stilianou, yes a lot can be said about this legend,the automaat kalashnikov model of 1947, so reliable it does not jam even after being stored in sand, even a baby can use it,this my friend liberated the motherland,talk of MK,FAPLA etc dont get me started comrade,AMANDLA!!!

      adrian.strydom - 2012-02-03 07:06

      @Hugo....you have commented on every single post, and your comments are all argumentative. Your spelling and punctuation are atrocious, and your comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. En moenie die verskooning gebruik dat Engels nie you moedertaal is nie. You obviously like posting and contradicting everything you read on here - but please - say something intelligent sometimes !

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 10:10

      Ngiyabonga lowo mlayezo we baba Strydom kuthi nje isiliumbi sona akulona ulwimi lwami . Uma ngihluleka ukupela amagama awu dade sowuzingicolela.Otherwise its nice posting here(thing is I am bored)

  • Paul - 2012-02-02 20:26

    how do you comment on this embarrasment and comedy of errors called an investigation of murder if this is the level of expertize of our police force then its clear as to why crime is so high in south africa

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 22:33

      how so?

  • Ken - 2012-02-02 20:49

    Fire the stupid savage.

  • Ken - 2012-02-02 22:15

    God help us if this is true.

      Hugo - 2012-02-02 22:32

      not entirely,so hold your prayers

  • anselmo.coelho1 - 2012-02-02 23:00

    This is the result of having 11 official languages and the woman in question does get paid to translate or in her own rights she can speak in any of the 11 and still be correct...I will would remove the lawyer who insulted her unfairly from this case ,So that he gets a lesson of how to control his EGO.......Mr:Tlouane you are arrogant !!!!!!

  • Sipho - 2012-02-03 00:16

    Who this ijit @Hugo, and why she mus commentate on all things here? hugo, go back to the kictehn, gal, and let the mans here talk proparly politiks.

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 10:14

      funny

      Linda - 2012-02-03 13:44

      Sipho, I don't think Hugo gets that you're not actually complimenting him. Shame, but there's room for people like him in this world too.

      Hugo - 2012-02-03 14:18

      Linda, thanks for the vote of confidence.However I am to secure in my person to be offended by Sipho(a white man).Laughing at my self has always been part of my daily routine.Infact it is his attempt at being offensive that I find silly(rather typical)but strangley funny.I notice that you are itching for a pissing contest. great news: you win

  • Bobo - 2012-02-03 05:55

    My dream of having a Banana farm just came crushing down....18 Yrs later and this whole counry bacame one big banana police state.... Idiots.

  • Eish - 2012-02-03 05:58

    Eish!

  • Rupert - 2012-02-03 06:17

    It is time to face the truth......We are spiraling down to a typical Africa style Banana Republic ......a police person can not read or understand the law that is to be kept ....BUT gets issued with a Weapon when on duty..............sleep safe.................

  • Vusi - 2012-02-03 07:06

    This is a shoddy work by the police. They really need proper training not on language proficiency but on proper investigation.This case has totally collapsed

  • Obakeng Molobi - 2012-02-03 07:23

    I think News24 must change its name 2 Democratic Republic of Hatred. I've never been exposed 2 so much insults and negativity in my life.

  • flies37 - 2012-02-03 07:36

    Translating an 'official' document from English to any African language can be very difficult you can ask any linguist he/she may tell you the same, I think the reason is that there are many English words that a person cannot change to African language. Reading rights to the accused is something they do almost daily, the cop lady should have just said what she usually say to other Tswana-speaking lawbreakers. She also said it's the first time she sees that document, which is also confusing because she always reads it to her prisoners. The questioning of the cop lady has shown the public that prisoners rights are never read to them or are never translated to them in their language of choice for them to understand. I don't think it's true that the cop lady couldn't read the phrase from the document written in plain English.

  • Peter - 2012-02-03 07:43

    At least it isn't that major a case, but I'm not surprised the SAPS have been found wanting in professionalism. Our police service is an embarrassment, certainly nothing to be proud of. I'm sure most of us have come experienced their amazing statement taking abilities, and lack of will to investigate cases beyond arriving at the scene.