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Textbooks, stationery dumped in Limpopo

2012-06-23 13:32

Johannesburg - Textbooks and stationery were dumped for disposal at a site in Seshego, near Polokwane, while many schools were still without these materials, Cope said on Saturday.

Congress of the People MP Tshilidzi Ravhuanzwo said the party was made aware about a week ago that "piles and piles" of books were being dumped.

The books and stationery, some still in their original packaging, were being burnt and shredded.

"So many schools don't have books, and [even old books] could have been used in libraries," she said.

Ravhuanzwo said that books from the previous curriculum would still be useful to teachers and pupils because the learning content did not change.

"We really need those old books, I would have like to have stopped them [destroying the books].

Limpopo education department spokesman Pat Kgomo said the matter only came to the department's attention on Friday.

How the materials came to be dumped was under investigation, he said.

On Friday, Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga denied blame for a delay in the delivery of textbooks to the province's schools.

"I have not considered resigning," she told reporters in Polokwane.

"The best I can do is sort out what I started. I won't jump ship."

She blamed the delay on factors including cash flow and administrative problems.

In May, the High Court in Pretoria ruled the department's failure to provide textbooks violated the Constitution. The application was brought by rights organisation Section 27.

Motshekga said her department had met with Section 27 and agreed to move the deadline to Wednesday.

Comments
  • ivan.ferreira - 2012-06-23 13:35

    W T F!!!!!!

  • Nicholas - 2012-06-23 13:37

    And these same incompetent idiots get "offended" when Helen Zille describes desperate pupils fleeing to the Western Cape for a proper education as refugees!

      fanie.smit.5 - 2012-06-23 15:48

      YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES,YES ANDS IT GOES ON TILL SA DIES.

  • lynn.syme.1 - 2012-06-23 13:38

    Eh?

  • Zahir - 2012-06-23 13:39

    There is no future for this country with anc as failure to deliver even basic text books

      Dee - 2012-06-23 15:37

      But 'they' sure managed to remove the old books fast enough though? How is that possible!? And what's with burning books. Paper should be handed in / sold for recycling. This saga is a dream (nightmare?) case study for a 101 logistics management student ...and I really wish the public could be informed on exactly where the breakdown(s) in the order to delivery process has occured. As the Minister was not even aware that the court order deadline had been missed is really appalling ..... apparently ZERO crisis management and reporting controls in place - for starters.

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-23 13:42

    They can play the blame game all they like but this is what happens in a country where those in power are so used to getting everything for mahala and are totally inept and incapable of being in control of their departments and corruption!!! Shame on you!!!

  • don.richards.1044 - 2012-06-23 13:43

    A bunch of useless corrupt intellectually challenged moegoes. Resign Motshekga, it is the honourable thing to do. Oh I forgot, ANC Ministers don't have honour.

      Irene - 2012-06-23 14:14

      Even if this clown resigned, she'd only be replaced with another incompetent corrupt cadre. Viva cANCer Viva No Future I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for any cANCer supporters. Keep protesting. Keep being dumbed down. It's the cANCer way. Keep on struggling. Viva, Viva, Viva. OMG but it's sad now these people don't have basic common logic that most are born with.

      Irene - 2012-06-23 14:15

      Sibongile ~ You need to get that chip off your shoulders gal.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-23 14:17

      That too since you brought it up

      boltonbarry - 2012-06-23 14:22

      NO it is because they are African

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-23 14:27

      Sibongile, Yes and that makes them incompetent and stupid...is that what you want to hear? So lets not be racist and leave the black part out, they are just incompetent and stupid.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-23 15:09

      @ Sibongile Nhlabathi Very very unEDUCATED guess

      peter.tony.14 - 2012-06-23 15:24

      @ Sibongile: Yes.

      pistonpete.outriders - 2012-06-23 16:01

      @Sibongile....no its because they are stupid & happen to be black....however she only holds the position because she is black.

      MagdaKus - 2012-06-23 16:05

      @ Sibongile Nhlabathi -well- surely ANC is a multi-racial party- so we can blame some other races too... but for incompetence- not skin tone.

  • konanani.rachicoper - 2012-06-23 13:43

    brainless

  • sharon.ackerman.77 - 2012-06-23 13:45

    Strange they have not blamed the previous apartheid regime

      MagdaKus - 2012-06-23 16:06

      Well spotted ;-)

  • booswig.visagie - 2012-06-23 13:47

    The ANC realises that the only way for them to stay in power, is to keep the masses that vote for them, uneducated.

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-23 14:29

      The masses in any case have no potential to be anything ells than stupid, even the ANC knows this.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-23 14:50

      Well its a theory thats paid off for most African countries. Just show up with a free t shirt or a bag of mielie meal and they have the vote! Thats why the standard of education keeps getting lower!

  • MefrouwPoefparra - 2012-06-23 13:49

    How utterly useless can a government and its ministers be. Just flatly refusing to take any responsibility for THEIR responsibilities. Africa is a waste.

      provence.poppies - 2012-06-23 15:19

      Africa is wonderful but waste live in it

  • godfrey.mushwana - 2012-06-23 13:55

    This is getting 2 much. Obviously there is something seriously wrong with the entire provincial administration. No department seem to be functional. Mr Mathale????

      Irene - 2012-06-23 14:16

      Godfrey ~ Look around you. It's not just this province, it's the entire country. The cANCer are incapable, incompetent and corrupt. Is that what you glorify as a leader?

      godfrey.mushwana - 2012-06-23 14:27

      The sad part is that the majority of people are not even aware that there are books being destroyed or that their local schools have not yet received books.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-23 14:51

      In a well run country, the leader would intervene, action to get books to the people, and fire the useless ministers. You there Jacob? Or are these issues not important in comparison to business and investment interests?

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-23 14:51

      Godfrey: Even sadder is the fact that the same inept fools keep getting voted for time and time again!!

      godfrey.mushwana - 2012-06-23 16:44

      I hope this does not turn into another racial issue. Incompetence/fraud/corruption is not about race. As long as people promote racial division the statuesque will remain.

  • Juan - 2012-06-23 13:58

    Well maybe at was the plan of the ANC government all along. Deny their uneducated masses an education in order to secure votes for the ANC in the future. Let's face it, if we had first world literacy levels the ANC would not have been able to exist. I think that the ANC is doing this on purpose.

      Dee - 2012-06-23 15:53

      Oscar - yours is a genetically crippled and wholly inaccurate statement. What's your excuse for being so intellectually, emotionally and spiritually retarded?

      Robin - 2012-06-23 15:56

      We have first world soccer stadiums...?

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-23 16:58

      Dee, sorry no excuse...two things, I am not blind and it is in my genes.

      Dee - 2012-06-23 17:20

      Oscar - I wonder who you include in your "them"? Do you think you could win e.g a Chess match against Pres Zuma - whose leadership I may not like, but can recognise a pretty foxy strategist. Would you pitch yourself against Dr Ramphele in any debate? How would you fare in leadership appointment in e.g. area of morality agaist Arch Tutu. Could you exercise the level headed impartiality and integrity of a Thuli Madonsela. And on the 'normal bell curve distribution of intelligence - against at least several million more HIGHLY intelligent candidates who you deem genetically inadequate. SIS ON YOU!!!!!!

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-23 18:21

      Dee, for YOUR sake I hope so.

      Dee - 2012-06-23 22:48

      Oscar - we are posting here in moral outrage about the damage being done to South African childrens potential in this world. Yet you would apparently see fit to program these self same children with DEVASTATINGLY DESTRUCTIVE to self esteem notions of 'Useless', 'Less than', 'Genetically inferior', Idiot etc. .... If you do this to any of your own children - don't be surprised if this produce a damaged human being - and moreover, if at adolesence that child rips your throat out. (And don't get me started on the price this country still pays for that self same apartheid indoctrination lingering on in the psyche of millions of our citizens). I'm sure you are not a deliberately cruel person ... so perhaps you have spent your life only ever interacting "at the bottom of the social ladder" and not had the opportunity to meet or recognise QUALITY people regardless of gender, ethnicity, pigmentation ... Try step out an meet some sometime - travel to e.g Asia if you cannot get over your prejudices at home. Anyway, no matter what I say - you must surely realise your world view belongs on the dung heap that is Hitlers grave.

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-24 00:14

      Dee, you are a 100% correct. As a car guard living from hand to mouth, I must compete and interact with a much lower class person from different races to keep my head above water then I assume you must do. You see, I wasn't born into privilege like you because of apartheid. You had all the opportunities and stolen wealth to get well educated in order to end up on a higher step on the social ladder and therefore to meet quality people. Hopefully you can enlighten me with regards to some burning questions I have, seen that you are privileged enough to mingle with these quality people. From down here where I dangle at the bottom of the food chain, things look a bit bleak. Why do black people still need affirmative action in order to compete with whites, 18 years into democracy? Why is there not one single black governed country in Africa that is successful? Why aren't these quality people of colour that you know, not governing this country? Why do we have racial quotas for kids in sport and at universities to protect 95% of the population against the talent of the other 5%? Why do you assume that all white racists are of a lower social standing than yourself? Why do you want me to go to Asia to meet these quality people, aren't there any black quality people in South Africa? Does one swallow make a summer?

      Dee - 2012-06-24 10:26

      Oscar - your obfuscation on every point is not a debate; merely a reflection of your own inferiority complex. I have no remedy for your bitterness or condition, but thankful that your personal limitations are not pre-judged as a 'genetic condition' of all Caucasians.

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-24 10:50

      Dee, get off your high horse and answer the questions.

      Dee - 2012-06-24 12:44

      Oscar - 'Ranted Accusations' are not questions. But you could start getting the answers by researching non emotive factual information on each of the 54 countries making up Africa. In your analysis - try not make your only criteria of 'success' one of 'how much white supremacy' exists in each country.

      max.reynecke - 2012-06-24 16:28

      Dee, you are a true windbag, why don't you answer Oscar's questions?

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-06-23 14:01

    she blames cash flow and administration but fails to admit the real problem is the anc.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-23 14:52

      Margie-thats an insult to Pick nPay!

      Ken - 2012-06-23 15:09

      What is very sad is that the DA asked that they deliver the outstanding books as they have the transport available. NO says the ANC, politics more important than the children.

      MagdaKus - 2012-06-23 16:14

      Sheesh @ Ken- is that true? Absolutely shocking!!!!

  • Rupert - 2012-06-23 14:03

    There is a mindset in this country that education is not that important in order to have a good life or to make it big in life . In the black south african locations the richest people are usually not educated and even in government half of the ministers and even the president dont have masters degrees or diplomas in any field ,but they are in government and are rich and comfortable . so taking a man or woman who doesn't have a degree and making him the minister of education is the worst present you can give your kids cos he doesnt value education at all . I work with a few guys who dropped out of school voluntarily and when i ask them why they did it i get answers like Julius Malema did not finish school but is rich , Tony Yengeni ,Patrice Motsepe or even Zuma did not even go to secondary school but they have made it big in life , so the c thing is that our kids have uneducated role models whom they look up too and they view schooling as a waste of time and money . Everyone wants to make it big in life but no one wants to make it big though education .

      Sibongile Nhlabathi - 2012-06-23 14:12

      Correction: Angie does have a degree.

      ivan.ferreira - 2012-06-23 14:12

      Very true Rupert. I find it bizarre that people, most importantly young black Africans, are not following in the footsteps of Nelson Mandela who got himself educated - who studied hard in prison! He had no freedom and managed to rise above his circumstances. Zuma and Malema are the poster boys of what is currently wrong with South Africa. Cry my beloved country.

      boltonbarry - 2012-06-23 14:24

      I agree with you Rupert.

      boltonbarry - 2012-06-23 14:25

      Looks like Angie also has a masters in Incompetency

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-23 14:33

      Sibongile, I degree from some or other old regime black university, that is about equal to a current grade 8 qualification?

      mark.ross.779 - 2012-06-23 14:44

      Ivan, that is exactly it.. how rare is it to hear Mandela's name or vision being used in news/comments now? What the old ANC fought for is gone completely.. The Zuma generation is in position and plundering and the Julius generation is at the door shouting that they want a piece of the pie too. The generation down are the guys not getting these books, so 2 guesses which path many will follow. Without books they learn from what they see around them, which unfortunately is the aforementioned Zuma/Juju crew.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-23 14:54

      Very true-they are just following the "fine" examples set for them.

      Rupert - 2012-06-23 19:01

      @tshililo.siobo thank you for correcting me i didnt know that Patrice had a degree .

  • nathan.elston1 - 2012-06-23 14:08

    The ANC has admitted itself, that it now needs to focus on good governance and shift gears from a revolutionary house - the freedom struggle is over people.

      nathan.elston1 - 2012-06-23 14:30

      Patrice Motsepe said "People don't know that there were very successful black businessmen in the years of apartheid," just a fun quote

  • Kevin - 2012-06-23 14:10

    like Comrade Gwede said last month - i quote - 'this is what happerns when you take the mice out of the bush and put them in charge of the cheese factory'......!!!

      Dee - 2012-06-23 15:41

      Yes - A priceless quote!! I wondered if it was a translation from an African proverb ..... must be rich, rich, richer in the original lingo :)))

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-23 14:12

    I agree Juan the anc,s rot is catching up with them fast and they cant even see it coming.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-23 14:14

    Is that degree 100% legit???

      Sibongile Nhlabathi - 2012-06-23 14:25

      Im convinced, this lashing out and judging by who does it, is more than just burned books. it is bigger than what meets the eye

      boltonbarry - 2012-06-23 16:32

      You are spot on about that Sibongile. The big picture here is the ANC failing this country and every single person in this country regardless of race belief or creed

      Iceberg - 2012-06-23 18:23

      Please enlighten us Sibongile, I'm dying to know what could possibly behind this "smoke screen" of incompetence.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-06-23 14:15

    NO MONEY...WHAT the hell does she mean....the Education Department go the largest Budget allocation last year...so where is the MONEY...always blame lack of funds...even though most Departments every year get huge Budgets...IT'S GOING SOMEWHERE...THE MONEY...I WONDER WHERE...you should resign...on MORAL GROUNDS...because you have caused huge problems for those that really want to learn...GO...HUMBA..

      Matthew Patrick - 2012-06-23 14:21

      Exactly. We have one of the highest education budget allocations (percentage wise) in the world and one of the highest per capita education budgets yet fail to educate. Thanks to Zuma and the ineptocracy he 'runs'.

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-06-23 15:22

      They spent that money on new cars for the ministers and throwing appointment parties and flying their families around for holidays and shopping sprees

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-23 14:37

    FUcl< you ANC !!!!!!

  • jeanlouis.indekeu - 2012-06-23 14:38

    I bet you, the the parents will vote ANC AGAIN !!!

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-23 14:41

      they keep doing the same thing hoping things will change, its the same in the EC, thats why they are dumb sheep, The ANC IS USELESS, they don't even obey court orders, have they closed the open toilets in Vijoenskroon yet ????? HUH, bunch of idiotic lying hypocirtes, & stop murdering farmers, you are on the border of starting something you will regret, all of us will !!!

      Billy - 2012-06-23 15:14

      yes, because the anc will say the books and stationery are burning because of apartheid. and their followers will believe them.

  • seanpresherhughes - 2012-06-23 14:39

    Nothing new in this country!

  • joseph.tettey.9 - 2012-06-23 14:41

    The Limpopo Youth League does not care any more.Desperate for political Leadership they will even kill.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-06-24 19:59

      Exactly....if the ancyl cared about the youth....they should be having a lot to say to the minister about her lack of delivery of text books...this is exactly what they should look after...education...EISH...

  • luvo.luvos - 2012-06-23 14:43

    Just when I thought these guys have reached their worst levels of incompetence, they sunk to new lows. The delivering of textbooks to schools should start as early as August of the preceding year with a deadline date of early December. Those tasked with this should only receive payment from the department upon them producing a form signed by a school principal acknowleding receipt of the stationery in full.

  • Danie - 2012-06-23 14:45

    If the definician of insanity is: doing the same thing and expect a different result. Then it seam that al the voters voting for the ANC time after time, expecting competant non corrupt government, could possibly be insane?

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-06-23 14:50

    Miss ARROGANCE at her best. If this is the best the ANC can offer our children, then, I am sorry for the next generation. She has been sitting on her backside instead of checking up and doing her job. Typical then blames other people. You are the chief whip, its up to you to whip whip whip and see that your department is running properly not sit at your desk admiring yourself all day and convincing yourself how competant you are.

  • Tim - 2012-06-23 14:50

    I think that this pretty much confirms that the ANC recognise the danger of having an educated population. They really don't want people educated to the point that they look at performance and policy when voting, if they did that the DA would be a shoe in wouldn't it?. Keep them all stupid, dumb them down and rely on tribalism and witchcraft to keep governmental "elite" with noses in the trough. The kids don't have books and the president has a new plane? Don't tell me about cashflow.

  • Billy - 2012-06-23 14:51

    WAKE UP. THEY ARE KEEPING PEOPLE FROM BEING EDUCATED. THERE IS YOUR PROBLEM ANCYL.

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-23 14:55

      BS they know the people have no potential...that is why it is not a big issue for the ANC.

  • pisciotta - 2012-06-23 14:52

    And the Democratic World looks at SA in amazment of how well a country can derail in such a short time.

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-06-23 15:02

    they don't know how their own books came to be dumped... imagine trying to teach children without them having books- there is just no way- nothing they can go and learn from in the afternoon, no exercizes to do, nowhere to write something down... the negligence is in my view criminal and is definately a contravention of the constitutional right every child has to an education. These ministers should be arrested and prosecuted nevermind be allowed to resign. Best of all is if you look at tv shots many books are seemingly just standing in storerooms and all that needs to be done is to transport it to the schools. They should force these ministers to transport the books in their own motor cavalcades at their own cost.

      Ken - 2012-06-23 15:21

      Some time ago the DA offered to deliver the books for free. Mini-Star refused offer.

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-23 15:02

    No holy cows, ever!!!

  • ludi.birk - 2012-06-23 15:07

    Which Wednesday?

  • don.richards.1044 - 2012-06-23 15:14

    @Sibongile......I notice you only criticize white peoples comments, even when black guys have made negative comments about this. Why is that? Are you a racist?

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-06-23 15:16

    Cash flow a problem?! Really!?! There wasn't a cash flow problem for Zuma's R75 milllion party was there?

  • denzil.a.ferreira - 2012-06-23 15:16

    Bou nou n nasie... Lokl

  • Comfido Nziyane - 2012-06-23 15:17

    tired of government not delivering 2da voters. this issue concerns da lives of da poor, those who voted 4 2day's government. whats happening basicaly, mxm. we have 2 reshuffle all da members of parliament nd get new brains who will make things happen. who will prioritize education nd make it a need. no wonder they dnt want citizens 2b educated, they think we must end up like them.

      Irene - 2012-06-23 15:47

      Just change your vote. Reshuffling won't do a thing because you'll just be swopping one incompetent cadre with another.

  • tolo.maano - 2012-06-23 15:23

    Mmhmm I m sorry 4 our childern in limpopo

  • Singatha - 2012-06-23 15:32

    Criminal!!!The minister must account and be fired!!!Or better, fall on your sword.

  • Trevor - 2012-06-23 15:33

    There were no pictures in the books that why they burnt them

  • fanie.smit.5 - 2012-06-23 15:40

    New record, books delivered one and half years later to the dumpsz ( paper reclemation ) to be recycled. The question is who got the money?

  • fanie.smit.5 - 2012-06-23 15:41

    RESIGN. Do the right thing Me Minister, COMMIT SUICIDE!

  • mongezir - 2012-06-23 15:42

    How do these people live with themselves! Minister says problems caused by cash flow problems, what does that even mean?

  • mongezir - 2012-06-23 15:42

    How do these people live with themselves! Minister says problems caused by cash flow problems, what does that even mean?

      Johan De Beer - 2012-06-23 15:43

      It means that she is not doing her job

  • fanie.smit.5 - 2012-06-23 15:45

    AGAIN, JUST LIKE ZUMA, IT WAS NOT HER FAULT. ANC DO NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR MISMANGEMENT. IT WAS NOT HER FAULT THAT HER DEPARTMENT HAD A CASH FLOW PROBLEM. WONDER WHO GOT THE MONEY?

  • fanie.smit.5 - 2012-06-23 15:45

    This is ANC policy. Keep the people ignorant and they will stay in power.

  • sanet.oelofse - 2012-06-23 15:48

    And that is the level of service on free education... The government is making it easier for the minority kids to succeed, by keeping the majority lagging. Affirmative action will continue and we are stuck in this vicious circle of unskilled workers.

  • helmut.smrz - 2012-06-23 15:55

    Who want's to be educatet anyway,when you can become president with out education!

  • ljmostert - 2012-06-23 15:58

    I wonder what is the per capita expenditure of government per pupil in comparison with Zimbabwe where teacers are earning next to nothing. I often come accross VERY knowledgeble, intelligent, hardworking and educated Zimbabwean people! What is the REAL problem? Possible the attitude of parents towards education? Possibly the 'handout syndrome'? Possuble AA or BEE?

  • mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-06-23 15:59

    Not that i admire Angie, but delivery of books is a programme which of course has to be endorsed at the ministry office. Provincialy you have a chief director to account on the succes and fairlure of the programme. He reports to the Exc. And the MEC, but we jump all these leaders and gun for the national minister. I blame the media.

      Irene - 2012-06-23 16:07

      LOL! That's taking it a bit far pal. Is the media responsible to supplying school books to kids. Think man, think!

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-23 16:16

      Irene: Thats asking a bit much!

      mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-06-23 16:17

      Most of dont know how gov operate, if the media has no role in this why there is no name for the provincial champion of this project in this article? This is similar to blaming councilor for a service delivery but not the municipality.

      mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-06-23 23:44

      here i was just telling how gov works since only 1 in 8 only knows how.

  • deepchund.ramchurren - 2012-06-23 16:16

    Somebody got the contract to dispose of the books, somebody also got the contract to print/supply new books, and some person/s in government is owning the companies. CORRUPTION CORRUPTION CORRUPTION. WE SHOULD BE ADDING TO THE NATIONAL ANTHEM ASKING GOD TO SAVE SOUTH AFRICA.