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Third of toll fees for collection - report

2012-03-03 14:35

Johannesburg - A third of the money Gauteng motorists would pay on tolling fees would not go towards the cost of the highway, according to reports on Saturday.

About 20 cents out of every 30 cents paid per kilometre would go to road building costs, head economist at Investment Solutions Chris Hart told the Beeld newspaper.

The other 10 cents would go to the collection of the fees.

Hart said this was unnecessary and based his findings on figures announced on the project in the last year.

"That is more or less what I understand the costs to be. I did find that the government isn't open about all the costs involved with this project."

Economist at economist.co.za Mike Schssler agreed with Hart saying the toll fees would be unnecessarily expensive to taxpayers.

Beeld reports that Schssler based his findings of a third on what minister of finance, Pravin Gordhan said last month during his budget speech.

According to the economists there were other systems available that would decrease costs of collecting toll fees.

"There are already mechanisms, like fuel levies, that could be used to collect the money. It will be cheaper and less problematic," Hart told the newspaper.

Schssler agreed saying it is possible to get Gauteng motorists to pay a higher fuel levy.

The SA National Roads Agency Limited was not available for comment on Saturday morning.

Comments
  • Jessica - 2012-03-03 14:42

    We are being bled dry to pay for corrupt officials parties and luxury cars

  • Trevor - 2012-03-03 14:47

    This was debated last year already and was brought up even BEFORE the corrupt SANRAL went ahead with the new roads, using the SWC as an excuse, diverting attention at the time so they could railroad the Tollroad through which they did. This toll saga has ALL the sticky fingers that the Arms Deal had. The ANC Politicians who's sideline interests/business's had their fingers in the taxpayers pie...Hey Tokyo...but he's not the only one. In the end, ANC is once again involved in a saga that will go on for years and it won't end when CT/PE/DURB/BLOEM are forced into the same deal. In short, we need these roads BUT, for Politicians to tender on government projects is highly corrupt, as for getting the tolls, it should have been done as suggested from the start, fuel tax, a system ALREADY in place costing everyone NOTHING but, the ANC needed to steal as much as they could, Pravin Gordon is nothing but a puppet who is part of this grab as much as you can and TO HELL WITH THE PEOPLE!If ANYONE out there STILL thinks the ANC is there for the poeple, you blind, put race aside for once and see that a VERY ELITE few are raping this country for their own personal greed, their names keep on coming up over n over again and they busy killing SA, slowly...

      Fussed - 2012-03-03 15:20

      The same sh@#it happened with the socca world cup and the stadiums. All are WHITE ELEPHANTS now. The gov keep LYING to us. To to take action

      Herman - 2012-03-03 16:35

      Very, very well put Sir. In civilised countries like Greece the prime minister is willingly giving up his salary because of economic difficulties in his country. In South Africa the corrupt ANC will grab the last crumb of bread out of the mouth of a starving child. Shame on you for stealing from your own people.

      Max - 2012-03-03 17:16

      Trevor, well said!

  • Irene - 2012-03-03 15:12

    Ten percent won't go on collections because nobody will be paying. Think people. No e-tags!!!!!!!!

      Grant - 2012-03-03 17:15

      Hi, how could we get this right, great idea :)))

      Rob - 2012-03-04 16:41

      Do NOT get an etag-It is not a crime to not get one. That part is easy. Next for those who have some fight, DO NOT pay the invoices or whatever they call them. Then wait for a summons to appear in court. Then put in an appearance to defend the court case. For those who can, get your attorney to delay as long as possible with every excuse in the book. Then invent more excuses. THE SYSTEM WILL COLLAPSE!! They will have to break the law on a massive scale to collect their money. That will be the end!!! This is one thing we can all easily fight. Lets now do it for once. With a victory under our belts we can go on to other fights. Can an attorney with integrity - surely there is ONE in South Africa. Start a blog site - It costs NOTHING - to assist with legal advice for this particular issue. PLEASE everyone thumbs UP. With enough support I`ll wade in with whatever I`m asked or whatever comes up for what it`s worth. How long will it take to delete this after someone reports it? Lets at least - If we are doomed anyhow - go down fighting. We are supposed to be so cleaver - so lets be cleaver!!! Are we prepared to trust this despicable lot with signing a debit order on our accounts for them to deduct through a magtape run. Do you know how easy it is to abuse that? They can make a mistake and wipe your account out in an instant. Any other debits will bounce. Your Bank - bless them all will simply say contact the supplier - in this case the Government - SANRAL. We f**ked if we do.

  • KReddy - 2012-03-03 15:16

    We are FEELING fleeced now.

  • Jane Warrington - 2012-03-03 15:20

    As usual, shocking proof reading News24. Pathetic.

  • Scouter - 2012-03-03 15:23

    I'm mighty surprised that it is only 33% - and would be even more surprised if it stays that way. You can almost smell the grubby mits being rubbed together in eager anticipation.

  • Andre - 2012-03-03 15:28

    I refuse to register for this toll system purely because these tolls are not going to be fair. Firstly, not all road users are going to pay. The public transporters and taxis are exempted from paying toll, but they produce their income from using the roads. How fair can that be? Furthermore, toll will only be paid by citizens with fixed addresses. All the visitors from across the borders will be using our roads but will not be paying for the privilege either. And lastly, the money is going to the pockets of corrupt officials!

      Irene - 2012-03-03 19:52

      Fully agree with you. If the taxis weren't getting a free ride, I think a lot of us would feel slightly differently but until the taxis have to pay as well, I sure won't join in the party.

  • Michael - 2012-03-03 15:29

    NO. ONE. MUST. PAY. join www.tollfreegp.co.za pass it on PLEASE. again: NO ONE MUST PAY.

      Grant - 2012-03-03 17:17

      SNAP :)

  • Samantha Stevens - 2012-03-03 15:36

    I will not register -

  • Kim - 2012-03-03 15:36

    hahahahah. Firstly we are not paying a damn cent, secondly, if they think we are that stupid to think this is going back into the roads, think again. More like going into someone's back pocket.

      Nicholas - 2012-03-03 16:20

      I stand to be corrected but I heard that Tokyo was going to make a pee-pot full of money from this

      Francois - 2012-03-04 06:40

      Nicholas, if it is Tokyo, he must have a big family all with bladder problems. The pee pot that is to be filled with this one is big.

  • Samantha Stevens - 2012-03-03 15:38

    I am tired of bailing out a corrupt and inept goverment with my hard earned money-

  • Don - 2012-03-03 15:38

    The cost of building the roads was already excessive compared to similar roads in other countries, and they are alread breaking up in places. A toll system is the most expensive method of collecting money. Please tell me how they thought this through carefully before they decided to implement this scheme. Don't register and don't pay!

      Mammei Hlehlisi-Galo - 2012-03-03 15:46

      I agree with u 100%.

      Nicholas - 2012-03-03 16:23

      I would like to know what it has cost them to put up all those structures and how much our corrupt officials creamed from that

      pws69 - 2012-03-03 16:29

      They did think it through carefully. ANC: So, how much can we steal on this one, without being caught like we were with Fana Hlongwane in the Arms Deal? ANC Member; Well, we give contracts to cronies, and we have the Austrians charge us excessively, then THEY put the money in our Jersey Islands accounts. But even better, taxpayers pay the Austrians indefinitely, so they pay us indefinitely. We earn FOREVA. And you thought the ANC didn't think this through properly! Shame on you! :-)

      Ronald - 2012-03-03 17:43

      The cost of converting and building 180km of roads to be tolled(remember, most of the roadway was existing) was R 20 Billion. The Sanral budget for non toll roads for 2009-10 was R6.5 Billion and has gone up to just under R10 Billion FOR THE WHOLE OF SOUTH AFRICA. This budget includes Salaries, Support, Maintenance, purchase of land and New Roads. Of the R32 Billion collected through the fuel levy last year, only R8.7 Billion was paid over to Sanral by Government. Now my question: HOW CAN 180KM OF ROADS THAT HAD TO BE UPGRADED COST MORE THAN THE NATIONAL BUDGET FOR ALL ROADS. Check the Sanral website for their own documentation, this is where I got my figures from.

  • Andrew Worrall - 2012-03-03 15:47

    Toll Feels? What on earth are toll feels?

      Lacrimose - 2012-03-03 21:02

      It's the feeling you get when someone else's hand is in your wallet

  • Michael - 2012-03-03 15:58

    Toll road, no toll, the govt will always find a way to screw the tax payer.

  • Dennis - 2012-03-03 16:01

    And yet another cadre scores a huge contract !!

  • Adam - 2012-03-03 16:01

    By the government paying a portion, that means that the poor and barely surviving are paying it via their VAT. Surely this is not fair that government uses the poor and previously disadvantaged to pay for freeways. It is no wonder S&P downgraded SANRAL to C neg. to sub-zero on thursday, also commenting on the inadequate government.

      Paul - 2012-03-04 16:50

      Dont forget about the presently disadvantaged

  • tilla.smit - 2012-03-03 16:06

    SO CORRUPT!

  • Denise - 2012-03-03 16:07

    "Third of toll feels for collection - report". FEELS? Do you guys not have a spellcheck option in your software? It took me a while to figure out what the headline meant! Lack of attention to detail, or just plain "who gives a damn" - which is it?

  • Adam - 2012-03-03 16:11

    If you dont pay do you think they will add it onto your car licence? Is anybody able to comment on this?.

      Rob - 2012-03-04 18:36

      They won`t add it onto your car licence so much as refuse to renew your licence. However if say 40,000 households refuse to pay the invoices and when a summons arrives (A lawful summons that is. )put in an apperance to defend the action that will ammount to a huge amount of court cases that will collapse the system.

  • Andrew Worrall - 2012-03-03 16:25

    Well done News24 for changing it from Toll Feels to toll fees. May I be your proof reader please? You don't have to pay me. Just make sure my cousin gets an infrastructure contract please.

  • kosmonooit - 2012-03-03 17:08

    No doubt we will find that the persons milking this cash cow/collecting these fees undoubtedly had all to do with the lobbying of the scheme, and buttering the necessary bread. And its too bad (and our expense)that these decision makers have no idea about their duty to the public at large, let alone any notion of public service. Heads should roll.

  • Robert E Meise Esq - 2012-03-03 17:09

    Question : if my vehicle is registered in another province and i pass through to visit some one in say Wit bank will i need to pay ? if my car looks like a taxi will i pay how will they know i have driven through the toll gate are the gonna take pictures of every car every day and see who has registered and who hasn't check up on the number plate and send the bill ? still i WILL NOT REGISTER dont let the criminal intimidate us in our own country

  • Thandinkosi - 2012-03-03 17:09

    Sanral should have sought the cheapest way of collecting the fees. The cost of building infrustructure for a limited collection is not fair. According to Minister of Finance in his budget speech , there is a R15bn to be collected. If that is the case , this will take say, 5 year to collect and after that the tolling systems must be closed. This time the fury of the residents of Gauteng must be noted. We are the engine of the country and work here to feed the whole nation including the government. I do not think it would be incorrect for the government to ensure that teh road infrustruture of this province is sound for it to attract investments and more tax confers. The simple formula of taxing the user , is a narrow thinking. It would be prudent for the minister the state clearly in his transport budget speach that the R15bn would be collected over x number of year. If the therefore that amount being charged _2/3 *30c would be fully collected by year XX and toll would be removed forthwith. If it was investment , you would have increased the tax, as infrustruture levy on fuel and new cars and collection would have happend in three years. Further maintenance of the road should come from normal budget appropriation and national tolls, which are mainly fed by motorist transiting between Gauteng and other provinces. This is never too late to put a hybrid process to ensure we close this within 3-5 year.

  • Paul - 2012-03-03 17:14

    We would like for once the government to come clean on the real costs of this project and where toll fees will go - we want an independent audit, this government has a history of lining its pocket from projects like this e.g. Arms Deal !

  • Stephen - 2012-03-03 17:43

    Once COSATU get involved in this e-toll protest, I don't want to be caught with broken windscreen with a R50 e-tag attached to it.

      Scouter - 2012-03-03 17:54

      Now, THAT is a funny comment! Thanks Stephen, you brightened my day with the imagery!!!

  • Dave - 2012-03-03 20:40

    The AA has stickers going for R10, check out the link, available at AA shops, R10, worth getting I think http://www.aa.co.za/content/1981/join-the-latest-protest-action-against-the-tolls/

  • Dennis - 2012-03-05 14:12

    Just imagine what it has cost to erect those ugly gantries. Add to that the cost of the cameras and the software to drive them all. All this will need to be replaced every couple of years. Ask any bank or business that has thousands of retail clients what the cost of collection is, and your hair will curl.

  • sally.lewitt - 2012-03-28 02:00

    The Real Reason For E Toll. IFP: COVER-UP ON E-TOLLING PROJECT REMINISCENT OF PRE-1994 TACTICS. The IFP said today that it was shocked to learn the real reasons behind government's push to ensure the controversial Gauteng e-tolling project succeeds. It is reported today, that the Public Investment Corporation - an investment manager for state institutions has bought R17 billion in SANRAL bonds. 89% of this investment is made-up of the Government Employees Pension Funds. "Finally it is clear why government wants to save this project at all cost despite it being unfeasible and despite it receiving so much public resistance. These types of cover-ups were prevalent during the apartheid regime, but never could one have imagined such a huge cover-up in our post-democratic dispensation," said Narend Singh MP, the IFP's spokesperson on Finance and on the e-tolling project. It is now clear that there are huge economic issues at stake. If the tolling project fails, Government will not only have to bail-out SANRAL, but it will also have to bail-out the civil servants' pension funds as well. "It is clear that Government finds itself between a rock and a very hard place," said Singh. He added, "This matrix that we find ourselves in now is totally untenable, especially since the pensions of ordinary citizens are at stake. Government has misled the public. We believe that this might possibly be one of the biggest post-democratic era scandals to date. I will raise this matter at the next possible opportunity at Parliament, as the taxpayer deserve answers on this matter," concluded Singh. Statement issued by Mr Narend Singh MP, Inkatha Freedom Party, March 11 2012The Real Reason For E Toll. IFP: COVER-UP ON E-TOLLING PROJECT REMINISCENT OF PRE-1994 TACTICS. The IFP said today that it was shocked to learn the real reasons behind government's push to ensure the controversial Gauteng e-tolling project succeeds. It is reported today, that the Public Investment Corporation - an investment manager for state institutions has bought R17 billion in SANRAL bonds. 89% of this investment is made-up of the Government Employees Pension Funds. "Finally it is clear why government wants to save this project at all cost despite it being unfeasible and despite it receiving so much public resistance. These types of cover-ups were prevalent during the apartheid regime, but never could one have imagined such a huge cover-up in our post-democratic dispensation," said Narend Singh MP, the IFP's spokesperson on Finance and on the e-tolling project. It is now clear that there are huge economic issues at stake. If the tolling project fails, Government will not only have to bail-out SANRAL, but it will also have to bail-out the civil servants' pension funds as well. "It is clear that Government finds itself between a rock and a very hard place," said Singh. He added, "This matrix that we find ourselves in now is totally untenable, especially since the pensions of ordinary citizens are at stake. Government has misled the public. We believe that this might possibly be one of the biggest post-democratic era scandals to date. I will raise this matter at the next possible opportunity at Parliament, as the taxpayer deserve answers on this matter," concluded Singh. Statement issued by Mr Narend Singh MP, Inkatha Freedom Party, March 11 2012

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