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Top Joburg school expels boy, 3

2012-02-17 09:00

Johannesburg - A 3-year-old boy was expelled from Crawford College in Sandton, Johannesburg, three days after being accepted at the school, according to a report on Friday.

The boy's mother claimed she was told during a parent/teacher meeting at the college's pre-primary school that her son was disruptive, could not sit still during story-telling and was not suited to the school, The Star newspaper reported.

"The teacher said Joshua [not his real name] is extremely busy and disruptive... She [the teacher] said she thinks he has ADHD [attention deficit hyper-activity disorder] and that I should put him on Ritalin.

"She said he takes too much of her attention and it's no wonder I don't want to have more children," the mother told the newspaper.

Crawford's managing director Jaco Lotz denied the school had expelled the boy.

Lotz said the boy had been "withdrawn voluntarily by his mother, who acted on a recommendation from a psychologist".

"After receiving complaints from parents of other children in [Joshua's] class, his teacher addressed her concerns to his mother. At no point did the teacher recommend that Joshua be placed on Ritalin or any other medication," Lotz told the newspaper.

Comments
  • clinton.badenhorst - 2012-02-17 09:04

    Pre-primary at 3??? Should the kid not still be playing rather than going to school in any case?

      logical007 - 2012-02-17 09:25

      @ bardy - pre-primary is the same as nursery school.

      Dane - 2012-02-17 09:27

      Actually kids can start school at 3 yrs old......They call it Grade 000. My son is doing at the moment.

      rheinhardt.peens - 2012-02-17 09:36

      I think 3 days is a bit quick....teacher sounds like a know it all to me!!!! Stop giving our kids legal narcotics and teach them!!!

      procold2 - 2012-02-17 09:42

      i believe the teacher saying put the kid on ritalin, it happened to my son, i never put him on ,he is 23 and nothing wrong with him, teachers dont know how to teach anymore

      Marius - 2012-02-17 09:42

      Nowadays parents are so concerned about getting their children prepared and ready for life that the age of being a child is starting to diminish. It's quite sad really... He sounds like a normal 3 year old to me.

      Ebon - 2012-02-17 09:44

      Bardy, why the harsh judgement? I can't stand arrogant people who assume they know what is best for other people's children. Deciding what the "right" age is to send one's child to nursery school is a complex issue. From personal experience I can tell you that children can benefit fantastically from going to a nursery school even as young as one year old. It helps social, physical and intellectual development hugely. That being said there are also advantages to having parents spending a lot of time with their kids at home - assuming that this is a luxury that is available. Bear in mind that many homes have 2 working parents, or sometimes just a single parent raising the child alone. Ultimately what is best for the child depends on the competence of the parent and/or teachers and finding a good balance. I seriously doubt though that there are many parents who are sufficiently competent that their children would not be better off by age 3 at least spending some time at a good nursery school.

      Sloragoth - 2012-02-17 10:18

      I live in Spain now and here my son started nursery/pre-primary school at 1 1/2 years old. And ALL they do there is play, its not like they're solving maths equations all day. He's aurrounded by other kids his age, has well balanced meals and learns the basics. Have you spent all day, everyday alone at home with a 2 year-old?

      Mike - 2012-02-17 10:25

      @ Janice. Please explain how you draw this association. What's been your personal experience with this class of medication ? A comment such as this suggests that your medical knowledge is drawn from the You magazine. Troll !

      Bibi - 2012-02-17 10:42

      @STEEN: it is not the April 1st yet! WTF are you talking about?

      tanya.retief - 2012-02-17 10:44

      I agree with you. And to be honest, children aren't programmed to sit still at that age for long periods of time. I find it absolutely ridiculous. Crawford is in anyway known for its elitist attitude. How the hell can a nursery school teacher make an ADHD diagnosis? Does she know she's not ALLOWED to?

      procold2 - 2012-02-17 10:44

      @joao, still see a lot of the kids(100's) that you are talking about and they all seem just fine some married,some university,most are working so his disruptive behavior must have rubbed off and if you think giving kids a schedule 7 drug is ok go for it,not right in my opinion but all to their own

      procold2 - 2012-02-17 10:48

      @joao, by the way my spelling is not perfect but please spell wander like this "wonder" maybe you were on ritalin and missed that english lesson

      Helen - 2012-02-17 11:47

      Exactly, Bardy. Children get sent off to "school" far too young. That boy needs huge work done, but he could be a bad seed or victim of bad parenting. Too many of those around these days.

      werner.smidt - 2012-02-17 11:49

      @Dane Since you're playing prosecutor, judge and jury . . . would you care to enlighten us with some of your other wisdoms? Mark my words - your kid will end up as a morosoph :) I agree, a kid should still be playing around in the garden at three . . . not confined to routine.

      werner.smidt - 2012-02-17 11:51

      Oh . . and Dane . . isn't it your job to provide rather than relying on a stranger? And I retract my words, your kid won't me a morosoph, not when his dad is just a regular old moron.

      Dane - 2012-02-17 12:30

      @TheSlip that's what the kids do all day in Grade 000 buddy! They play with other kids there age! They paint, draw pictures etc etc, he even has the chance to do sports after school. And to your next comment, there are no strangers taking care of my child, we meet with the teachers regularly who have kids of there own in the class of which my son is friends with....We even see the teachers at kids Bday party's....Get off your high horse.....Do you even have any kids? I ask this because you say ..."Kids should not confined to routine".....Um that's how you raise them bro, without routine from a new born baby..your asking for chaos, not sleeping eating etc etc at set out times makes one very unhappy baby.....Please comment on things you have experienced clearly you haven't experienced parenthood!

      yolie.Landa - 2012-02-17 14:02

      There is absolutely nothing wrong wt the baby going to pr-primary at 3. They call it Grade 000. Some mothers dont have nannies like others do, hence there are facilities to keep their children. I feel there is also nothing wrong with this child, there is no disorder. This school took advantage of this parent. some kids are more active than others and may seem to be seeking attention, even if that is the case, it is not a problem. Clearly as they state the kid was recently admited, he is not used to this environment just as yet... All that was needed was a lil patience

      Hugh - 2012-02-17 15:06

      At 3yrs old he should be in a cresh not at school, or better still with the mother.

      Irene - 2012-02-17 18:52

      My grand daughter is going next year, she will turn 3 in April this year. They learn to socialise with other kids, do arts and crafts, and have a lot of fun!! So good for them!! Lots and lots of play involved!!

      Jack - 2012-02-17 20:37

      Totally agree with you Bardy! Kids that young can barely talk (short sentences at best)and boys tend to progress slower than girls in this area too. We're getting as bad as the Chinese!!! SA children should begin grade 0 by age 4 (turning 5 by June that year)or 5. There is now little need for a preprimary with grade 0 effectively replacing it...I know life in SA is getting expensive and parents are looking to work more, but we're talking about a young life here!

      nthabsh - 2012-02-17 22:00

      Parents work, kids need to play and be stimulated hence pre-primary education is an option for many of us. Expelled after 3 days? Sounds odd, any good school and teacher knows it can take some time for any child ( ADHD or not) to adjust to a new environment and routine. Expulsion can be easily proved if it did take place i.e. Formal, official document from school that the parent would receive. This story is clearly badly written, sensationalist drivel. Funny as you guys are, some critical thinking is required...no need for cyber screaming like benchees. Oh but wait, News 24 trolls need to thumbs down... So give them their daily bread.

      werner.smidt - 2012-02-17 23:06

      @Dane I see. No, I don't have kids of my own, but I do have to deal with some like-minded mentality occasionally. Oh, and pumpkin, do you think you might be living vicariously through your kid? Seems and awful lot of compensation oozing through your words. Kudos for caring about your kid, but I won't suggest you teach him about life lessons. Honestly, getting a couple of down-votes enraged you so much you decided each and every single one of us should be executed . . publicly? Imagined it vividly? Scary place that imagination of yours. Will you pull the trigger, or are you a cowardly S.O.B.? Metaphorically, that is ;-) And I doubt you call it Grade 000 for the sake of playing. To tie up with what I said earlier, you want to live vicariously through your son . . telling all your friends "Yeah, he's three . . and already in school."

      Sheda - 2012-02-18 10:03

      the mother sounds like a drama queen (or the author is misrepresenting).....I know many many Crawford kids and no problems.

      Rohin - 2012-02-18 12:39

      I agree it's madness that parents are sending their kids off to "school" at 3 years old. A child of 3 is busy exploring the wonderful world, what kid can be expected to sit still and behave according to what some school deems normal.

  • Annalene - 2012-02-17 09:04

    Why must people lie all the time ???

      Silver - 2012-02-17 09:27

      Lying is the new truth.

      Brenda - 2012-02-17 13:24

      Because our "role models" do.

  • Stan - 2012-02-17 09:06

    If the boy does suffer from some disorder, it must be looked into urgently... looks like there are many side to the expulsion claim... this is shody reporting... the headline says the boy has been expelled, but the last paragraph says he wasn't...

      Stan - 2012-02-17 09:09

      shoddy

      E=MC2 - 2012-02-17 09:35

      IF the boy does... IF. he's 3 years old. 3 year olds are busy. That said, a 3 year old probably shouldnt be in a classroom environment to start with

      Snoopy.zn - 2012-02-17 10:08

      Hi Stan, I understand your comment. Lately the fisrt thing Teachers Blame for a busy kid is ADHD. Its been proven that Kids with ADHD's symptoms can be improved / cured via following correct Diet and regular exercise. Ritalin is not the answer. I'm not say I believe she said what is rumoured, but I've seen it for myself.

      PB - 2012-02-17 10:23

      "Joshua" might just need consistency in discipline - No I don't mean beating him into submission, but rather parents and teachers etc who stick to NO MEANS NO. And to those people who are only looking at this 'poor little boy' who'se rights are being abused - the rest of the kids in the class also have the right to be educated in peace without someone who cause chaos for everyone.

      Joao - 2012-02-17 10:30

      @Snoopy : The point is that the parent (not the teacher) should control the child's diet at home so that he feels more in control when he has to function in a classroom situation. If the parent does not provide and control "the diet" at home, feeding him chemicals at school is the only other option. No-one I know would be satisfied/pleased to have to accommodate/humour a child who disrupts their own child's education. Teachers only have about 5 minutes of "individual" time per day to spend directly on each learner, and allowing one child (whose parents do not provide "the proper diet" as suggested by you) disrupt the whole class, is not on.

      Snoopy.zn - 2012-02-17 11:06

      Let the kiddie run around. He is only 3 not . And the Mom should ensure to enforce dicipline. I can understand why the teacher feels overwhelmed, 3 year olds are busy bodies.

      VoiceOfReason - 2012-02-17 11:20

      @E=MC2, while I agree that 3yo's are very busy 3 days in a class is no time at all to settle down even for older children and if this was the first time he'd been in school and prior to that was just left to his own devices at home then what do they expect? I think its more a case of parent/teacher clash of personalities - or the parent got someone to read her the school fees and took her 3 days to recover.

      jade.bulley - 2012-02-17 12:08

      Yes, 3 yr olds are busy, but if you cant cope then find another profession. She chose to be a teacher.

  • Katlego - 2012-02-17 09:06

    He was not expelled, remove the headline

      Janice - 2012-02-17 09:33

      Says who???

      E=MC2 - 2012-02-17 09:36

      but why? its catchy... thats what news24 is all about, catchy headlines with weak story content

      Katlego - 2012-02-17 10:46

      Janice read the article

  • Marius - 2012-02-17 09:06

    Why does the heading read that the school expelled the boy. If you read the article, none of the school staff has done this? I take the articles from news24 always with a pinch of salt...

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-02-17 09:17

      It made you (and me) click the heading to read it, didn't it ? It is purely sensational reporting...Each click counts and N24 can get more money for advertising.

      E=MC2 - 2012-02-17 09:36

      exactly... read my comment above

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-02-17 09:58

      I wonder if News24 are the ones giving us the thumbs down ?

      E=MC2 - 2012-02-17 10:13

      hahahaha JohnnyBGood! more than likely

  • JayJohnsonS - 2012-02-17 09:10

    agh come on>>> a three year old? kisd are being hurt at a very young age nowadays. nxa

  • ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-02-17 09:10

    Spare the rod, spoil the child! A good smack on the butt cheeks will sort tha ADHD problem out.

      Klipkop - 2012-02-17 09:19

      Less sugar, simple as that maybe. But I kinda agree with you, discipline is super important, obviously not abuse.

      Bigrp - 2012-02-17 09:20

      My son received many talks, hidings and other punishments to try and sort his behaviour out; took him to a psychologist that diagnosed ADHD and recommended medication (not Ritalin)...we were not keen, but eventually gave in. Today he does well in school, his behaviour has improved in leaps in bounds...so maybe think before you type drivel next time!

      carpejugulim - 2012-02-17 09:56

      There is a place for medications like Ritalin but ... it is far too easy to medicate a child out of existance because it makes people's lives easier. With the proposed new law of banning spanking children there will be a marked rise of children on medication to make their behaviour more socially acceptable. There is a vast difference between a corrective smack on the behind and physical abuse. As it is there is already a problem (and many contributing factors) with lack of discipline in the youth of today but a 3 year old should be outside running, playing and climbing on things, burning energy not sitting listening to stories (unless the weather is not playing ball) 3 days is not long enough to make a fair assessment of a chid's behaviour and considering the quality of teacher being turned out at present I wouldn't pay too much attention to the Ritalin suggestion.

      Psalm - 2012-02-17 12:19

      To the extent that this 3 year old was disruptive, then getting him out of the class is appropriate. Parents cannot dump their young children in pre-primary and expect other children to be short-changed by disruptive behaviour. And no, being 3 is not an excuse for being disruptive in a learning environment. My 3 year old niece attends pre-primary in South Korea. The children have classes - where they are expected to behave and participate and learn -all fun, ofcourse. They also get REPORT CARDS daily - the teacher writes down feedback on the child's learning progress, participation and general conduct during the day. I can assure you, no Korean parent would take a charge of "disruption" lightly nor expect the teacher to "just deal with it because the child is 3 years old". If the 3 year old cannot function within the classroom environment like ALL OTHER 3 years olds, then the child is clearly not fit for such an environment and the parent must take appropriate steps to resolve this. My 3 year old niece also sits through 3 tutorials a week, with private tutors - which she enjoys very much. But you see, she needs to actually pay attention too in order to learn and enjoy the learning process. She is capable of this, like some other 3 year olds who also prove capable of this. If the 3 year old is disruptive, then it is the parent's problem - not the teacher's or the other children's. Parents, assess your child's behavioural limitations and take responsibility.

      Hermann - 2012-02-17 17:16

      @Psalm.I assume you are a good Christian.

  • Russell - 2012-02-17 09:12

    PYT Schools in this Province and the heads are arrogant not to mention some of the parents.Disgust!

  • Leanne - 2012-02-17 09:13

    A 3yr old unable to sit still! Really? - of course not!! They should be outside playing... Ritalin the answer to everything it appears mmmmmm??

      E=MC2 - 2012-02-17 09:39

      exactly! pisses me off how ritalin is the answer to controlling a child now days... easy way out if you ask me!

      Ebon - 2012-02-17 10:19

      Actually, there are normal bounds in which a 3 year old child should fit. Yes, kids at that age should be spending a lot of time outside, playing. They should also be spending a lot of time indoors playing, interacting, singing, speaking, drawing, painting, listening to stories, making things from paper and scissors etc etc etc. It is actually quite important that kids at 3 years of age start to learn how to behave in a social environment so as to be co-operative rather than disruptive - for example knowing when to speak, and when to let others speak, and knowing not to hit/bite/pinch/scratch other kids. All that being said, the information in this particular case is grossly lacking and begs a lot of questions. A teacher should never be prescribing medication. However, a teacher will often be in a good position to notice that a child may be in need of seeing a psychologist. The child psychologist should then determine whether the child is within normal bounds, or needs therapy and possibly medication - in which case a psychiatrist should be making that call. Ritalin in and of itself is not a bad thing. It is a useful medication which can and does help many kids. But it needs to be used appropriately. Failing to take the medication where it is needed is just as bad (if not worse) than taking it where it is not needed.

      James - 2012-02-17 11:04

      I agree, he doesn't need Ritalin. Sounds to me that he needs a foot up his arse.

  • Paula - 2012-02-17 09:14

    Imagine everytime someone gets expelled from school it makes headlines..Only In South Africa.Put on your big girl panties mama bear and deal with it....

  • Thelma - 2012-02-17 09:19

    Teachers who can't handle their jobs always blame the child/children and it's always ADHD and I know for a fact that they recommend parents to put their kids on Ritalin....Easy way out for the teachers!!!!

      Russell - 2012-02-17 09:22

      Thelma, if anybody hears you, i hear you.

      Debbie - 2012-02-17 09:29

      I have a son who has ADHD, been expelled from 4 schools, including one that actually helps these kids, after many doc visits and therapy, child parent councelling, i decided enough, and home school him now, with much better results then the schools that are supposed to "offer" support for kids that are ADHD, my son also started at the age of 3, phone calls from schools etc, eventually u have to rather do things yourself, then rely on schools. teachers are very quick to put kids that are even a little hyper on Ritalin, its sad but thats how it is.

  • jensbirger.giebelmann - 2012-02-17 09:20

    3 days? they really worked hard on this case! the boy is 3 years old, give him a chance.

      Tulani - 2012-02-17 09:31

      say that again peter, these teachers are so good in judging prematurely

  • Newsreader - 2012-02-17 09:21

    Subjective journalism once more. Quoting the mother's statements but fail to addresss the problem! A class of children must all suffer just because its politically correct to keep the disruptive child in the class. If a child cant behave normally then the they need to be put in an environment that can help correct the problem without disadvantaging the normal kids of having progress.

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 09:35

      My thoughts also go along these lines. My children attend school to learn, granted they started at 5 and were allowed to be children till then. However having a disruptive child in class is very difficult for all involved. I stand by the mother though who wants what is best for her child. She needs to find a professional who can help them to correctly diagnose her son, and then they can help him if he needs it. (if there is actually anything wrong with him) Good luck to you mommy, I hope it all works out for you.

      Thelma - 2012-02-17 09:37

      And what is your version of a "normal kid"?

      Newsreader - 2012-02-17 09:48

      Thelma....a normal kid that behaves when told to do so. Not a kid that ignores authority or has no disipline or is a spoilt brat. Or worse, has AFS or ADHD or simply as you would see it.....a spade.

      Thelma - 2012-02-17 10:07

      Wow!

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 10:07

      @newsreadrer, don't let argumentative people bait you. Any 'normal' person knows what you mean.

      Tracy - 2012-02-17 10:17

      "disadvantaging the normal kids"...dear lord just because your child sits still and listens doesn't make them normal...yay for the "abnormal" kids that show a bit fight and individuality!!!!

      JakesLR - 2012-02-17 10:47

      @ newsreader- I see you get more thumbs down than up with all your comments- has it occured to you that you might be wrong or just sound stuck up??

      purpl3moon - 2012-02-17 11:38

      good grief you're not being serious, surely!? what is normal behaviour for a 3yr old boy? running around, questioning, playing, climbing, discovering their imaginations...NOT sitting quietly like little robots obeying your every command...COME ON!!!!

      Thelma - 2012-02-17 12:06

      I would hate to be normal....lol...

      dlawre30 - 2012-02-17 14:55

      Some say that it is normal to be mad Others say it is mad to be normal So if you are normal you are mad and if you are mad you are normal LOL

  • Tulani - 2012-02-17 09:27

    i started school at 9 years of age, coz my mother was told the same story but she ddnt agree with the teachers so she kept me at home for that long up until a close school by house was established in 1995, u do the maths, i finished ma Matric in 2006, am now a qualified engineer working for a successfull company...gues teachers can so wrong after all

      Tulani - 2012-02-17 09:30

      can be so wrong after all mind ma engrish

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 10:10

      Well done, you and your mother can be very proud! :-)

      Tulani - 2012-02-17 10:51

      @ karen, honestly am more proud of ma self.. thnx hey, and proud of her 4 believing in me @ such an early age.

  • Geoff - 2012-02-17 09:27

    No where in the report did it say "the child is expelled". This is just typical sensational reporting by News 24. In fact I could only find a reference to " .... not suited to the school."

  • Olivia - 2012-02-17 09:28

    SOMEBODY give me some concrete news for a change, geees!

  • E=MC2 - 2012-02-17 09:31

    The teacher said Joshua [not his real name] is extremely busy and disruptive... She [the teacher] said she thinks he has ADHD [attention deficit hyper-activity disorder] and that I should put him on Ritalin.??? what BULLSH1T! firstly, he's 3! 3 year olds dont sit still for long & to claim that he needs to be put on ritalin further pisses me off... just shows that teachers try take the easy way out! you're a teacher so TEACH & stop prescribing!

      nelda.venter - 2012-02-17 10:18

      EXACTLY MY POINT, HE IS 3!!

      TheWeddingConnoisseur - 2012-02-17 10:29

      My colleague told me yesterday that another clients she works for have their child on Ritalin. The side effects of Ritalin differs to each child, but with this child, it keeps him awake. Therefore, the doctor prescribed sleeping pills and because he is using sleeping pills and need to get up early in the morning for school the doctor also prescribed pills for him to help him wake up in the morning. With all this medication and its side effects the child now also suffers from depression and have to use anti depressants. Honestly! Where have the days gone where children could just be children? Play outside, run around and use those NORMAL energy that children have to play and not sit inside the house the entire day and play computer games and watch TV. It is NORMAL! for a 3 year old to not want to sit still.

      Silvana - 2012-02-17 11:19

      @TheWeddingConnoisseur. Tell your friend to stop going to that quack. In fact she should have stopped when he prescribed sleeping pills. Rather let her consult a neurologist, who will do a 24hour EEG and then determine whether he needs Ritalin or not. Nowadays they use Concerta which is a slow-release form of Ritalin

      Schmee - 2012-02-17 11:24

      The best thing I ever did was remove my 'delinquent' son from school. The reason he was disruptive is because he asked difficult questions and wouldn't just let it go if he didn't get a good enough answer. Most of his teachers couldn't handle it. That is what I was told by one of the teachers that could handle it and in fact appreciated it. Thankfully I never put him on Ritalin. He passed matric with three distinctions through correspondence by doing grade 10 - 12 in two years. Went on to vasity and has achieved summa cum laude every year so far and now he is busy with his PhD. It is shocking the number of children that I know are on Ritalin, have their parents lost their minds completely?

      K0BUSL - 2012-02-17 11:55

      @E=MC2 - The quotes used all come from the mother, except for the rebuttal of the School MD J Lotz, whose statement clearly states the child was not expelled, nor had the teacher advised the mother to use RITALIN. Think this is a serious case of Mommy wants attention and to hide the fact that her little Pup is a monster.....

      Patsy - 2012-02-17 16:43

      To my knowledge, Teachers are neither doctors nor specialists and therefore are NOT allowed to recommend remedies such as Ritalin or any other remedy. They are actually breaking the law - if it still applies in the country. I know, they did that with one of my sons many years ago and the paediatrician was most irate.

  • kerrimg - 2012-02-17 09:33

    is the teacher a doctor to diagnose the child has ADHD. he is only three and three year old are active. how can the teacher tell the parent to put the child on medication.

      ronel.cousins - 2012-02-17 16:31

      i get soooooo upset about these know-it-all teachers and their nose-in-the-air attitudes!!!!

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-02-17 09:33

    I have the perfect response for this. enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4VbOHvaPRc

  • Victor - 2012-02-17 09:34

    If he is a disruption for other children, I agree with the suspension. That's just fair towards the other children and their parents.

      Tracy - 2012-02-17 09:59

      oh come on!!!the child is 3 not thirteen...perhaps the teacher should be removed...she clearly can't handle that age group!!

      Tokollo - 2012-02-17 10:11

      Oh please the kid wanted to play, is that a crime!!

      rurapenthe - 2012-02-17 10:35

      Probably never gets a hiding or proper discipline and thinks the world revolves around it and only it. If you dont want your child to obey rules, dont send him to school. (and when he grows up i wouldnt let him go anywhere either...)

      PB - 2012-02-17 11:42

      RURAPENTHE - too true! Tracy + Tokollo - I think there is much more to the story that is not being reported.

      joanne.wroblewski - 2012-02-17 12:46

      Come on Victor, 3 days is hardly enough time to judge this! maybe this child is having a bit of trouble adjusting because it is the first time he is away from his mother and this is his coping mechanism? Sure if this behaviour continues, it could be a problem, but they should at least give him a chance to improve his behaviour before expelling him.

      Ally - 2012-02-17 13:04

      To Tracy et al: The teacher is clearly not at fault and certainly more qualified to be a teacher than the mother is to be a mother to a 3-year-old. At least the teacher has some training and experience in child education ... the mother probably has zip training in child rearing.

      Kenneth - 2012-02-17 13:22

      Its not fair! The child irrespective of who he or she is, are all different with different needs. Some kids are more active than others.So the child is more active than the other children? Big Deal-Teachers must stop making excuses by saying the child has a disorder and slap the poor kid on medication.Teachers are supposedly highly qualified individuals who should know that not all children will or can behave the same as other children. Patience,care and the correct guidance will help from properly qualified teachers who CAN cope with kids in a classroom.Not Retilan.What happened to letting kids be kids.

      Marion - 2012-02-17 13:55

      @Victor... there isn't a 3-year-old on the planet who will not be disruptive to other children at one time or another. These kids are in 'playschool', not matric! Teachers for that age-group are supposed to be trained to be able to deal with overactive kids. Whether the mother removed the child due to a psychologists report (whose psychologist made the report?) or was expelled, it just shows me that this school is not the school it purports to be on their website. 'Every child a masterpiece" my butt. Is this before, during or after their exposure to Crawford College?

  • kerrimg - 2012-02-17 09:34

    how did the other parents know. kids tell stories and sometimes it is bigger then the truth. i think the teacher told tha parents and then ask them to lodge a complaint

      Thelma - 2012-02-17 10:44

      It's called a click!!!!

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 11:08

      Or even a clique - a group of people who tend to interact with each other more regularly! :-)

  • Fiona Kemp - 2012-02-17 09:35

    Managing Director??!!! wtf!!!

      Ruth - 2012-02-17 10:56

      Yes Fiona.... unfortunately Crawford, and its sister schools seem to be run more as a business than a school. My child is a child, not a method to gain profit.

  • Cristina - 2012-02-17 09:35

    He's 3 years old hello, of course he'll be full of energy!!!...on the other hand my daughter when to Crawford Fourways, never had any problems with the school..

  • Philip - 2012-02-17 09:37

    the CHILD is 3, how the hell can you expel a 3 year old? Probably expected the CHILD to behave like Prince William! All these prim and proper rich people and area's are so F#$%ked up!

  • Mamello Ma-Oratiloe Motsau - 2012-02-17 09:38

    show me anyone who can keep a 3yr old still and i'll give you a thousand rands that is absolutely ludicrous what the school allowed to happen, having the boy expelled like that....his sin? being a normal 3yr old ai ai ai

      Philip - 2012-02-17 09:50

      Thats rich area's and rich people for you. They think they all high and mighty yet they pathetic scum bags

      fredahsm - 2012-02-17 10:55

      @Phillip: Not all of us were meant to be rich....dont be jealous, accept who you are... Irrespective of richness, 3 yr olds are playful, allow children to be children, the 1st few days are not that fun on any child....

  • smahlaba - 2012-02-17 09:40

    hawu, bakithi. What a shame?

  • Philip - 2012-02-17 09:41

    The CHILD is 3, how the hell do you expel a 3 year old? Probably because he wasnt behaving like Prince William seeing that its Sandton. All these prim and proper rich people and area's are so screwed up!

  • gaeleen - 2012-02-17 09:41

    Thank the Lord that my children did not have to go to 'school' at the age of 3. At that age they should be playing not being taught in a formal environment. What has happened to good old Nursery School or Day Creche. They were still taught the ABC and 1,2,3.... That's the problem children are not allowed to be children any more. They are 'needed' to grow up too quickly and then everyone questions when they turn to 'adult' activities at an early age!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Dianne - 2012-02-17 10:18

      Spot on!!!! Children need to be children. We as a the mamas and papas have really messed it up for the kids

  • Colline - 2012-02-17 09:42

    most teachers can't be bothered with "problem" children, it's easier for them to ignore a child or say the child is a problem than to actually help that child.

  • Murechen - 2012-02-17 09:43

    This is a reality, parents are told that the kids mights have some attention problems and referred to a doctor recommended by the school and kids are then medicated. It happens

  • Noa - 2012-02-17 09:43

    Ritalin? Yes that is an easy way out for the teachers to do their work. Since Crawford is a very expensive school they should not have any kids on ritalin. I would like to know how many kids are on ritalin at Crawford?

      Stack - 2012-02-17 10:08

      I guarantee you plenty!!! - its not just lazy teachers its LAZY parents!!

  • Don - 2012-02-17 09:48

    expell a 3 year old for being disruptive..the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. MOST 3 YEAR OLDS ARE "DISRUPTIVE"... THAT'S BEING A KID!! The problem is that the teachers are clearly not trained and cannot do their work to deal with children who may be overactive or have a medical problem. Expel an innocent 3 years old kid is just crazy. What planet does this school come from ? Dismiss those teachers for total incompetence.!!

      Kusleg - 2012-02-17 10:23

      I like it Don

  • tanya.metelerkamp - 2012-02-17 09:49

    This is so wrong, my son is also an active little boy. He is 5 years old and doing grade R this year. I was told by a teacher at his nursey school he was at that she thinks he has ADHD, and I told her she has no idea what she is talking about, I have seen children with ADHD, and no child that has this can sit still and concentrate, and my son can sit for hours and play or build puzzles. What I am about to say is NOT aimed at all the teachers. But some teachers are just to lazy to do their jobs properly. My son's current teacher says yes he is active, but he just came out of nursery school it takes time for them to adjust to "big school". In anyway when I was a child as far as I know we never heard of ADHD. I think ADHD is caused by the fact hat children don't play outside anymore, all they do is sit infront of computer or the television. When we were children we played outside in our yard. My two children know they play outside and television can only be watched after they have eaten supper and bathed.

      Mamello Ma-Oratiloe Motsau - 2012-02-17 09:55

      i also have a 5yr old in grade R and last year his teacher told me he has ADD...i was gobsmacked! apparently most of the kids in her class that are more active than others got the same diagnosis

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 10:15

      The only time my children may not run around like lunatics is when we go out. This is a time for consideration and respect. When we are home or at granny, they can make a noise and play their hearts out. They even sleep better.

      Marion - 2012-02-17 14:10

      When he was in Grade 3 my son was put on Ritalin. His handwriting deteriorated and he became shaky. He used to beg me not to give it to him. When I discussed it with the psychiatrist at TMI she upped the dosage. That was when I phased the Ritalin out. He, his classmates and his teachers have all survived having him, and others like him, in the class. In higher grades many of these teachers make the lessons so boring that the kids cannot concentrate anyway. If the teacher makes the lesson interesting, instead of just doing it 'cos it has to be done, then kids would be eager to go to school (well, almost eager). There are even guidelines available for teachers to follow to deal effectively with kids who are genuinely ADHD. And diet does play some part in managing it.

  • Gaby - 2012-02-17 09:49

    It is a massive shock to discover that your child is not "normal". All this means is that your child is not the average. Your child may have a hearing or eye sight problem. Your child may even be gifted or just a little behind the others. Parents like to blame the teacher instead of thanking them for making one aware that there is an issue. At age three there are many therapies that can assist.

      Derek - 2012-02-17 10:01

      At last a rational, sensible response to the situation. News24 reporters should be taken to task i.e. if the child was voluntary withdrawn on a pschologist's ( obviously a professional in his/her field)advice why the sensational headline?

      leigh.edward - 2012-02-17 14:33

      Well said.... Parents are too quick to blame teachers, rather than taking responsibility, as it is easier. Take what teachers tell you as constructive critism rather than a personal attack on your kid....

  • Gareth - 2012-02-17 09:50

    He said She said - then the truth...

  • Mamello Ma-Oratiloe Motsau - 2012-02-17 09:50

    ...and how does this Jaco Lotz managing director person know the details of a conversation that occured between the mother of the boy and the "teacher"? was he present during the convo or is he just taking the teacher-turned-child-psychologist's word for it?

      Stack - 2012-02-17 10:09

      why are we just taking the mothers word for what was said ..? Mothers tend to get very defensive when a teacher says there may be a problem and blow it waaaaayyyyy out of proportion - then run to the press claiming expulsion!

  • Egsaan - 2012-02-17 09:52

    This lady is an excuse for a teacher. Stop whining and do the job. The 3 year old is what he is . he is acting his age. Cannot say the same about the useless teacher though.Expell the

  • Tracy - 2012-02-17 09:55

    it may be senationalist reporting but there are a lot of teachers that would rather have you put your kids on ritalin as it takes the preassure off being a good teacher...a child of 3 cannot go onto ritalin...they can only be properly asessed at the age of 5 and then medicated...find a school where the teachers have old school values...where their love of teaching and children shows in how they deal with every little childs needs....

  • donnalee.snyman - 2012-02-17 09:57

    This is discussing to happen to 3yr old. Maybe the teacher thinks that she is doctor or psychologist for making remarks like that. This actually happen to me years ago when my kid was in school and thought things would evolve by now and a private school as well. I did take my case to the department and it was a long process as they protect the teachers. This however had taken toll my kid and he then had to see a psychologist which nothing wrong with him. In the mean he waqs out of school for a 6 month period. He then had to catch up so so on. But I did eventually contat my lawyer and we took legal action against the school. This is not professional of the school and the fact that tey are denying the whole thing pathetic. They should not have accepted the child if they did an evaluation. The mother of the kid must seek legal advise and pursue this not to leave the matter as to protect the next child that comes along. This shouldn't be happening to any child let alone a 3 yr old.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-02-17 09:58

    What age did zuma leave school and why????

  • Tertia - 2012-02-17 09:59

    It starts at home with discipline!

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-02-17 10:01

    That mom seems like she finds the child an inconvenience and thats why he is in pre-primary, normally for age 6, at age 3. Personally I think she's full of it.

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 10:20

      The mom probably works, and the child is probably in grade 000. Where they colour, listen to stories and learn to have self confidence. Why so harsh on the mom, my children were at creche at that age, it's just got a different name :-)

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-02-17 10:42

      My apologies, I misread the quote ... its the teacher that's full of it.

  • Stack - 2012-02-17 10:02

    the mother sounds like a lunatic !!! i don't believe for one minute that a Crawford teacher would speak to a high-maintenance sandton mommy like that, they are well used to those drama queens and would know that there would be consequences. Sounds like a mommy that doesnt believe her little angel can do any wrong!

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 10:21

      WTH Stack, I'm not rich but why are you mean about these people? They have money that's just the way it is. This is about a child not his mom, be she rich or not.

      Katja - 2012-02-18 23:14

      My child was in Grade 2 when I was told by a teacher at Maragon Schools to put her on Ritalin. She is now at Crawford Fourways and the care and excellent education she is getting there is worth every cent that I as a single mom work damm hard for in two jobs!!! So while the high maintenance moms and dads for that matter are around and truely get onto the nerves of the rest of us, slating Crawford for the apparent stupidity of one teacher is as stupid as burning schoolbooks....

  • Tokollo - 2012-02-17 10:07

    Kids go to pre-school to keep their minds stimulated through playing. The attention span of a 3 year old is totally different to that of a 6 year old. One has to wonder how long the teacher keeps the kids quite during story telling.

  • sandy.daniels64 - 2012-02-17 10:09

    Its disgusting what schools are doing to kids!!!! I speak from experience too

  • Shirley - 2012-02-17 10:10

    Storm in a teacup. It seems like a lot of speculation and not much fact. If the child has a problem then the earlier it is diagnosed the better so correct action may be taken,[in no way am I advocating Ritolin!] The mother seems to have removed him voluntarily and there was a phsycologist assisting so dont see what all the fuss is about!

      Stack - 2012-02-17 10:16

      i agree with you 100%

  • Malose - 2012-02-17 10:10

    How must a 3yrs old behave really? But again, 3yrs in school? People don't want to parent thier kids any more.

      fredahsm - 2012-02-17 10:58

      I am a working mother, do I have to take my child with me to work???

      Thelma - 2012-02-17 11:40

      @ Malose - I would of loved to parent my sons when they were small but unfortunately I was and still am a working mum....who would you suggest us working parents leave my children with?

      leigh.edward - 2012-02-17 14:45

      Exactly where the problem stems from ..... Its a Hard Fact to swallow, that you are not parenting your kid correctly!!!

  • Rebaone - 2012-02-17 10:11

    They are supposed to be teaching that chld discipline not to expell him that is why he is at school;to be taught something called discipline.

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-17 10:23

      No, he is at school to learn, not to be disciplined. Discipline is supposed to happen at home and be supported by the school.

  • Pierre - 2012-02-17 10:14

    I think teachers are very lazy these days and are not willing to help kids through this stage and force parents to put them on drugs and see psychologists! (i do not include all teachers with this,some really do a great job)

  • denise.gordon - 2012-02-17 10:14

    no matter what the reasons, who is the teacher to diagnose the child with ADHD??? and this "diagnosis" after having the child in her class for 3 days? oh PLEASE! Crawford College living up to it's stuck up and snooty reputation. To the mother - I would sue them!

      denise.gordon - 2012-02-17 10:15

      maybe the TEACHER needs investigating? perhaps she shouldn't be teaching 3 year olds - clearly she doesn't have the patience