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Top school in Nazi salute scandal

2012-06-11 11:05

Johannesburg - A top Johannesburg school has been left red-faced after a fun day plunged the school into controversy.

On so-called “Moustache Day”, a boy at St John’s College went on stage wearing a moustache similar to the one worn by the Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler. He then did the Nazi salute to which a large number of boys in the audience jumped up and spontaneously returned the salute, The Times reported.

But a fellow pupil was deeply distressed by this and wrote a letter to school principal Roger Cameron, saying he was a Jewish boy who had family members killed by the Nazis.

In the letter, the boy wrote: ''The reason that I was so disgusted was because the entire school seemed to bear no second thought when seemingly admiring this man. Whether you are Jewish or not does not matter. Because of the evil things he did in his life - no one can possibly argue that Adolf Hitler was a man to be admired by anyone."

The school apologised to pupils and parents and in a letter on the school website, the principal said the incident had been used to educate pupils.

“St John's College apologises unreservedly for the offence caused by this incident," said Cameron.

Wendy Kahn of the SA Jewish Board of Deputies said they were satisfied by the manner in which the school had dealt with the incident.

Comments
  • Bruce - 2012-06-11 11:19

    I am German and find this very offensive. One should not even joke about evil people like Hitler. What is worse, that the same genocide has happened since and will probably happen again. I have had a very good Jewish friend,unfortunately now deceased and I am so grateful that she did never reject all Germans for this blot in the history.

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 11:22

      The same genocide has happened since and will happen again? Please elaborate.

      Deon - 2012-06-11 11:50

      He was probably speaking of the genocide in Eastern Europe, some places in Africa and now in Syria. Sometimes people of different groups just can not live in peace with each other.

      Hans - 2012-06-11 12:51

      How could she? The Final Solution was the idea of one or perhaps two people.

      henrileriche - 2012-06-11 13:10

      Rwanda, Bosnia to name a few, and if farm murders are not watched will be the same. The reason why we learn from history, is so it doesn't happen again. Sadly for some history and woodwork is the same subject. Ignorance is quite prevalent among all South African, especially black people (note, not all) on the subject of WW1 and WW2. If it wasn't for South Africans who fought and died in these wars, the ANC, and its supporters would not be enjoying the freedoms that they are. If Nazi Germany won, Hitler would have made Apartheid look like a picnic, and there would be no ANC government today. That is a fact. Facts are not racism. Facts don't make us always comfortable, and facts are sometimes things we don't want to hear. Facts are however truth, as much as we don't like it. As for genocides. Go and learn what is fact, and what is not. Here is another fact. This man below said, not me, that farm murders is at a dangerous level. Maybe email this expert and take it up with him as you seem to be a couch "expert" on genocides. Let us know where your wiki page is... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Stanton Genocide watch is Gregory Stanton's organisation. Not mine. The organisation is was instated by the US government after the Rwandan genocide of which this man is an expert. Here is an international human rights website that focus on the PREVENTION of genocides BEFORE they happen. ----> WWW.Genocidewatch.org Gregory Stanton, with his bio ive given, is the president.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 13:14

      @Hans, Why the minimization? The participation was not by 2 people, that's plain disingenuous. It has been estimated that one third was Hitler's war machine was funded by what Hitler stole from Jews. Every Jew had to declare his wealth to the government - which made it very easy to round them up. I would agree that most Germans are decent people. It's the nazi and like minded ideologies that are straight from the pit of hell and keep rearing their ugly head again and again. Sometimes disguised as comedy or just having some fun.

      henrileriche - 2012-06-11 13:44

      And then you always get one ignorant guy like above. Ignorance can be cured Johann. Stupidity is forever....

      Michael - 2012-06-11 13:50

      @Johan I see the cadets from the neo nazi stormfront bootcamp have just arrived. Hello fellas, what's it like to read your history books upside down in a dark room?

      hayden.cajee - 2012-06-11 17:17

      80 Thumbs Down, now we know where most of those Nazi cowards immigrated to.

      harry.vermaak.3 - 2012-06-11 17:52

      To me the real question to anybody that had a horrific history is easy. Are you going to be known as a victom or a survivor? A survivor made it through a difficult time, learned the lessons there was to learn and are a stronger better person for it. He took power back from the perpertrator and know stand as the victor. A victom may have made it trough a simmilar tragidy, but insist on giving the power to the perpetrators, in onder to have others sympathy. I personally prefer that others would see me and my ancestors as the stronger person that survived inspite of an opressor, rather than insisting that others tippy toe around me incase they upset the poor victom and offend or hurt their fragile feelings!!

  • stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 11:19

    So if I give that salute and say the Latin words "Ave Amicus", would the the Jewish Board of Deputies still be offended? Take your persecution complex elsewhere. I learn history as a science, not as a tool of emotional propaganda.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 11:48

      So you like using moral equivalence do you? What other logical fallacies originate from that empty skull? Please share it with us and the other mindless idiots that gave you a thumps up...

      Stirrer - 2012-06-11 11:51

      Stevie, did Julius Caesar also wear a swastika and a little toothbrush moustache? I don't think so. On second thoughts, the Romans also persecuted the Jews...

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 12:18

      @Michael Not quite sure what you mean by moral equivalence, but I'm pointing out the rapidity to which some people assume scandalous meaning to words or actions. This speaks more about their having a persecution complex than it does about an interest genuine historical fact. In other words, when people make judgements based entirely on emotion, that judgement is usually very wrong. @Stirrer See above. Also, the Romans tended to "persecute" anyone who did not obey their common laws that applied to all citizens. I've found that any deeply religious person that feels a slight against themselves automatically perceives it to be a slight against their religion, because that is how they choose to define themselves first and foremost. So when I read about the Romans "persecuting" someone, it could very easily have simply been the machinations of their justice system. The real facts have long since been lost to the mists of time.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 12:24

      @Stevie Sure, should I spell 'M-o-r-a-l E-q-u-i-v-a-l-e-n-ce' or should I explain it? The whole point is that Jews have been the most persecuted people in history. Show me a people as persecuted as the Jews. That animal does not exist. The Jews face annihilation again. Mein kampf has been the best selling book in Turkey for some time. The Arab world is sharpening their metaphorical swords, there is an obsession with the total annihilation of every Jew on the planet. Anti Semitism reaching high temperatures in Europe again. It's a reflection of the world's collective madness… The Romans murdered a third of the Jews, Pogroms, Inquisitions and the Holocaust. The list goes one and on…

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-06-11 12:25

      Who are you to decide what should offend Jews?! Some 'jokes' are simply impolite , especially under certain company. Did your mother not teach you that?! If you joke about something and someone gets offended, you apologize. You do not tell them how to reach. That is what they call respect! It's not all about you, you know

      richard.zanner - 2012-06-11 14:17

      Read your comments Stevie and I actually have t agree with you. How long do we still ride this camel. It is history and the comments about the Jews being the most persecuted nation in the world, what does that actually mean. Do we apologize or do we ask why if it is at all true. I personally believe it has simply been made to be the truth by repeating the same lie over and over. And if they are the most persecuted nation then the Nazis alone are not to blame for this. I am not speaking for genocide but truly I have heard about as much as I can stomach about this poor persecuted nation and I was not even alive at the time of the Nazis. How much mileage does one want to get out of this. The German Government has apologized, paid for it and is today still paying compensation. You speak of Hitler in Germany today and you will be "torched". What more is expected. Let it not be said that Israel has never fired a missile killing people.

  • shelley.hutcheon1 - 2012-06-11 11:25

    How insensitive maybe if every one read and went to see the remains of the camps. History would not repeat itself. But it is repeating itself

      TheRev - 2012-06-11 11:29

      Where?

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 11:38

      These so-called camps were "faithfully rebuilt" exclusively by Stalin's government - a man already notable for tampering with his country's "official history" for political gain. He is also the man responsible for letting 10 million of his own people starve to death merely because they didn't fit into his vision of the Russian people. Do I know what really happened? No. Do I doubt the 'accepted mainstream history'. Absolutely yes.

      TheRev - 2012-06-11 12:43

      @Stevie0064, Revisionist history - a bit of a minefield of sensibilities and sacred cows there.

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 13:07

      @TheRev I know, but to ironically quote Goebbels, a lie perpetuated enough times is believed to be the truth. False history, particularly when used to justify some modern day actions or words, must be challenged and scrutinized at every turn. Otherwise we are doing our kids a colossal disservice by teaching them falsehoods.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 13:30

      the Rev Come on dude…really? I mean, really? The Germans are the masters of creating processes, they were meticulous with their records. Otherwise go and count the amount shoes… It's not propaganda or victor's tales, some things are what they are. The numbers make the British and even the US look bad…it's not even in their interest to add to the numbers. After all, they were the ones turning back Jews in Cyprus and NY and countless other accounts, they are the ones that look bad and it's that collective guilt that led to May 14 1948.

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 13:38

      @Michael "Some things are what they are" is not good enough if we are to learn history as a science.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 13:42

      @S I see, maybe we should learn maths as philosophy as well?

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 13:55

      @Michael Truths in maths and philosophy are such because of logic, demonstrable proofs, empirical evidence etc, not because someone says so.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 14:03

      @S I see, you are learned in Jesuit sophistry and casuistry. Invent you own reality and lie openly - then try and make it more plausible by using terms like 'science' and 'empirical evidence'. How about witnesses to the crimes, footage, records? Enough 'empirical' evidence for you or can your denial never be satisfied?

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 15:54

      @Michael lol, whatever. You seem to have conveniently forgotten that I have not denied the holocaust. I merely pointed out that the 'mainstream facts' prompting everyone towards an emotional response tends to have dire consequences for the truthfulness of history. I'm not denying that the Jews suffered persecution under Hitler's 3rd Reich; I'm just questioning the extent of that persecution because so much of the evidence presented suspiciously does not compute with other evidence. For instance, Sir Winston Churchill wrote a book about WW2 shortly afterward; why did he not make a single reference to gas chambers in his book? If the "gas chambers" were so faithfully restored by the Russians, why are the doors not air tight? The amount of poison supposedly used would have been a staggering manufacturing feat; where were the facilities that produced such volumes? These are some of the questions nobody seems to know the answers to, yet the first thing in everyone's mind when Hitler is mentioned is gas chambers. Once you understand the workings of war-time propaganda it is understandable how people come to believe it and defend it so vociferously. The problem I have is that this deception has been carried forward indefinitely into peace-time, and THAT I regard as a gross and inexcusable abuse of history.

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-06-11 11:27

    the poor children just don;t know any better.

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-06-11 11:49

      5 dislikes? people - I am 23 and only developed a hunger to know what went down in WW2 in detail about 2 years ago! Clearly the school + parents didn't teach those children very well about the atrocities of WW2!

      Squeegee - 2012-06-11 12:12

      These poor children go to one of the most expensive schools in the country alongside the kids of most of the government.

      Liesbet - 2012-06-11 12:30

      Agree! Kids don't know any better. Doesn't make it right but I remember the many Jewish jokes when I was a teenager. Today I know that it just was not funny. I am sure the student who did this, meant no harm. It was only later in my life that I started to show an interest in the WWII and the things Hitler did, was horrifying!

  • jordaanjean - 2012-06-11 11:35

    Yet another person to join in the pity party. Strange how this is deemed news worthy when there are much more serious things happing in this so called " democracy" than the feelings of an easily offended boy being hurt. Why must the school apologise for the actions of pupils in the school. If the students are really this upset about a silly gesture then they should ask the guilty party ( the students ) to apologise as well as arrange for sensitivity classes and workshops for the pupils as well as the parents of these "rebellious evil" students. On the other hand why not make a bigger fuss about the large number of teenage pregnancies in rural schools. These kids are having children for the grant money from the government. What about the lowering of the standards of education in this country. That I feel should be addressed as well as be on the front page of all the newspapers in stead of this boys "scarred" emotions.

      antin.herinck - 2012-06-11 12:51

      I agree. Non-event. What the boy did was offensive -but it was a BOY after all! Time is supposed to dull our painful memories a bit. . We played Indians and cowboys when we were kids. Where are the American Indians to protest this? They were treated most awfully by the whites. Where are the descendants of the victims of the most gruesome torture as perpetrated by the Indians? How much do we hear their whining? It's a bit tiresome to have Jews always putting up their hackles up when this type of thing happens. My family too suffered under Hitler. Many of my countrymen died in the dreadful Hunger Winter -direct result of Hitler's evil. Yet when I see / hear this type of stuff, I yawn. And of course it "should never happen again" -but please stop the drama and stuff. As you say, we have more acute things to worry about.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 15:54

      Many South Africans died in WWII. That's why children should be reprimanded for such idiotic behavior when SA was itself was a victim of hitler's ideologies. There are cemeteries and statues in JHB with WWII victim's names on it.

      khanyib1 - 2012-06-12 08:34

      As if you cared a hoot's ass about teenage pregnancies in rural schools?! Stop shunning what stares all humanity in face, stop calling offensive behaviour as 'pity party'. What is it that you're afraid to confront in that typical behaviour? It is newsworthy when an offense has been committed publicly, whether you in particular understand the relevance or not is actually not important. You call it a silly gesture? Maybe you're the one that needs to attend 'sensitivity classes and workshops' Jean. Understanding other people's sensibilities may just help your typically unrepentant attitude.

  • thepudi.solly - 2012-06-11 11:37

    it is high time that the Jewish community comes to terms with what happened and stops being crying babies. The more you complain about the mere mention of Hitler make other people to mention it everyday and very loud.

      jordaanjean - 2012-06-11 11:49

      Remember this is South Africa and we have a government that remain in power because they love to open up wounds of the past. This is the example set to us by the leasers. So I doubt it that anyone will ever really be given the chance to " get over " anything.

      Malavi10 - 2012-06-11 11:58

      Remember we are in SA we have people like Jean who will never stop b*tching abt the government any given time!

      Martin - 2012-06-11 12:37

      People in sa were killed in concentration camps, i dont see my family members whining about it, move on. We could take the british to task for their attrocities, but do you see it happening, noooooooo. the past is the past, leave it, and move on

      antin.herinck - 2012-06-11 13:26

      Remember. This is SA, where masses of retards vote a ruinous regime time and again into power and which retards are spit in the face by their own leaders, and then cannot stand criticism of the crooks.

  • antionette.leroux - 2012-06-11 11:38

    Ag please!!! Only a joke - why a scandal???

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 11:50

      Because man's penchant for scandal always outweighs his adherence to logic and reason. It's why democracy fails.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 12:08

      it has everything to do with a sensitivity towards history and courtesy to victims of hitler, it's not just about Jews. Liverpool, Coventry and London burnt because of the luftwaffe… My goodness, the ignorance and insensitivity here is absolutely astounding!!!

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 12:23

      @Michael Tell me, how "sensitive" do you suppose the Treaty of Versailles was to the German people after WW1?

      Michael - 2012-06-11 12:30

      @Stevie Yeah.. the same argument hitler used. **** minds think alike. It's about time you neo nazis take accountability for both WW's.

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 12:51

      @Michael Okay, let me paint a scenario completely removed from 20th century Germany. Suppose someone upstairs in our government deliberately devalued the Rand to such an extent that our economy could be bought up by China for a ludicrously low price. In other words, everything you, your father, and your father's father have worked their lives to build up is sold off for mere pennies to a foreign interest that has no intention of reinvesting the profits nor cares if you become destitute. Would you regard this as an injustice? If so what would you do about it.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 12:59

      @Stevie Is that a question? OK, let me guess…start a WW, kill over 50Million people and leave Europe in rubble? Trigger for the East v West divide by adding to Stalin's power and subsequent destruction? Not sure…is that the correct answer? So who exactly was the blame for the hyper inflation in Germany? Let me guess..hmm….the Jews?

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 13:36

      @Michael You don't really know much about the Treaty of Versailles, do you?

      Michael - 2012-06-11 13:55

      @S The perceived injustice of the treaty of versailles is not really the point is it? The fact is that you are using it as leverage and playing a justification game. After WW2 the world allowed Germany to rebuild become an economic powerhouse again…is that unjust? Balance dude, balance.

      sven.gohre - 2012-06-11 17:17

      @Michael, You mention the bombings of the Luftwaffe, but what about Dresden, where the British bombers, protected by american aircraft bombed a city of civilians for days until nothing was left standing. There is no real record of the number of women and children that died over those few days, just estimates. Dresden was the first of the so called "Collateral Damage" so often thrown around by politicians in a war zone. In fact there is less chance of being killed as a soldier in war zones than that of the civilians that are deemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. As for the atrocities committed by the Nazis, it must be remembered it was not only the Jews that were sent to these forced labour camps, where millions either died from overwork and starvation or from a systematic eradication under a plan known as the "Final Solution" millions of Gypsies, homosexuals and other groups deemed undesirable by the Nazi Regime also died. The Holocaust must never be repeated, but it is also time to move on and look at the other ethnic Genocides that have taken place since the fall of Nazism at the end of WW2.

  • carina.welman - 2012-06-11 11:45

    Well, our forefathers were placed in concentration camps by the English and starved. Same with WW2.. Do you see us crying about it when it gets mentioned? Do we sing struggle songs? No we don't. What those Jews went through was terrible and no, Hitler should NOT be idolized but really.. It's been over for many many moons. This is starting to get really dull.. Just like the American blacks about their great great great grand parents who were slaves... Yes, they were, it was bad. Nobody in this day and age however were so stop moaning about it.

      Manu - 2012-06-11 17:35

      It can be argued that you don't cry about it because now one is making light of what your forefathers went through. But I am willing to bet that you will start crying if we started to question whether your forefathers did suffer, or worse that maybe they deserved it. We can test your sensitivity and see whether you have tear glands. Shall we?

      khanyib1 - 2012-06-12 08:39

      Thank you Manu. Well said.

  • pretoriushj - 2012-06-11 11:45

    Get a grip. I lost family in British concentration camps in the Boer War, so does this now mean I can get upset at english folks and write letters saying how upset I am? I understand that Jews are upset but after a couple of generations I would say its time to move on and what does that kid know about the pain and suffering he has only heard stories about.

      pretoriushj - 2012-06-11 12:03

      You must be very careful with the term \your people\ as one might say you have issues towards people of certain races.

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 12:31

      That depends on whether or not your culture defines itself by such events, as Jews seem to enjoy doing. If it does, and history proves it incorrect, a persecution complex is not far behind. Furthermore, if a culture defines itself by an enemy, it becomes dependent on the constant demonisation of that enemy to justify its existence even if the enemy has long since been defeated. This is "liberation politics" in a nutshell.

      henrileriche - 2012-06-11 12:54

      Boet, of dit n 100 jaar terug is, of 50 jaar, terug. Gee niemand die reg nie.

      sven.gohre - 2012-06-11 17:29

      @Clarence, where and when did the Apartheid regime place blacks in concentration camps and kill them by the million? According to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, a total of 21,000 people died during the 40 years of Apartheid, of which 80% was black on black violence. Which is 16,800. The rest were either murders, soldiers of both sides killed in the border wars and the rest were those hanged for crimes that they had been found guilty of in a court of law. You blacks have no idea what the People of Europe have had to endure over the past 2000 years, if your forefathers had to go through the same conditions, they would have ceased to exist.

      Manu - 2012-06-11 17:36

      Well observed Clarence. Some people live in a bubble.

      Manu - 2012-06-11 17:46

      Good observation Clarence. Some people live in a bubble.

      khanyib1 - 2012-06-12 08:43

      There you go again Peggy, spewing bs as usual. Right now it is doubtful whether you know what your and black forefathers went through and for what. Get some education. Oh, and this is no comparisons game. Stick to the present topic...

  • Susan - 2012-06-11 11:52

    I agree - they are making too big a deal of this. However, I have a suspicion that the boy might have a history of making such jokes and took it too far this time, which led to the outrage...

  • Malavi10 - 2012-06-11 11:53

    He must get over it, i hope he is also taught to be sensitive to the Palestineans!

      khanyib1 - 2012-06-12 08:44

      not relevant dude

  • pravda.che - 2012-06-11 11:54

    i think this just proves that our education system is going for a ball of horse manure. if they had taught european history at the school, and had the students actually done projects on the important parts of history: WW11 et al, maybe, that dumb kid would not have made the Hitler joke or Nazi salute. maybe being the son of a WW11 POW makes my outlook different on History and that i actually did quite well in the subject. maybe instead of trying to create a king out of a goat herder (Tshwane) and trying to teach proper history at school, maybe we will not suffer from the idiot dimentia (ancyl) that we are suffering from now.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-06-11 12:01

    And Palestine ????

      khanyib1 - 2012-06-12 08:45

      what about palestine?!!

  • Freddyvdm - 2012-06-11 12:07

    eish!

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-06-11 12:33

    Nah I think people are becoming to sensitive these days. Hitler is an pop icon in our times. He's the poster child of evil per se. To the level of dressing up as him at a Halloween party is the same as dressing up as the devil. It's jest...that's all. (and maybe the fact that they did have pretty cool military uniforms) And understandably in both cases some folk would be offended... but in my opinion.. let them be. P.s For the moron that's gonna jump with the inevitable out of context comment. Here it is... No I don't like Hitler or support what he did back in the day. Started with a good plan to sort out his country but then he went a bit loopy and killed a lot of innocent people.

  • Greg - 2012-06-11 12:40

    Jewish or of gypsy origin this will always offend these people and so it should because of the innocent people that lost their lives. 6 million plus Jewish people killed by this man and about 9 million plus gypsy people killed by this man. People must never forget or deny this and all future generations must be taught this so that it never happens again.

      stevie0064 - 2012-06-11 13:00

      The current "accepted" figure is 6 million. Before that it was 12 million. Before that it was 20 million until someone pointed out that there weren't actually that many Jews in all of Europe at the time... Propaganda much?

      Michael - 2012-06-11 13:04

      @Stevie, Can you stop making stuff up please? Never was there a premise of 20M, in fact it was 4M until after the war. But I suppose I cannot expect frankness from another revisionist.

  • Mfundi - 2012-06-11 12:40

    I don't support the glorification of Hitler but this I must say was taken out of context. Who is the first person you think of when you see a moustache? And it was moustache day after all? Why would there be a day dedicated to such anyways? Aargh! Remind me why is this news again?

      ben.louw.5 - 2012-06-11 12:54

      I agree

      khanyib1 - 2012-06-12 08:47

      charlie chaplin???

  • Martin - 2012-06-11 12:42

    i really on a deep down human level really dont care at all. screw your scandal. its a stupid salute, its a stupid half arsed moustache, and it was a stupid time in mans history, i agree with bruce at the top, things like this will happen forever, they continue to happen today, there are warmongering contries in this world, usa, israel, africa(continent) england, france, china, korea, blah blah, this is human nature, it runs the world economy.

  • Sulette Behnke - 2012-06-11 12:50

    You will always find some idiot out there having a problem with fun

  • shelley.hutcheon1 - 2012-06-11 13:01

    Umm Lets see now Rwanda Syria maybe

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-06-11 13:05

    Really? A bunch of boys acting childish... move the F on...!! Everyone getting offended, really...

  • antin.herinck - 2012-06-11 13:06

    Man, for how many decades do we go on with this over-reacting stuff? It was child's-play! As a boy I knew an old man who was most brutally treated by the Japs in an Indonesian concentration camp. His wife was there too. He saw some of his friends die. He spoke very little of their years in the camp. It affected his health permanently. Yet, he only drove Toyota's his entire life... Moral: don't EVER forget, but don't be bitter and use every occasion to display your past anguish.

  • Leon - 2012-06-11 13:13

    What do you think the ANC cadre are doing sytematically to the white people in South Africa. They are just doing it slower than Hitler. Thats all.

  • clivegoss - 2012-06-11 13:14

    Vat n lat, slaan sy gat (aan die brand) then get on with education.

  • pierre.potgieter1 - 2012-06-11 13:33

    No matter what.... There will always be someone who will be offended by someone and by something... Poor jew boy.... Get a life.... The holocaust happened a long time ago... Time to move on.....

  • errol.wagner - 2012-06-11 13:57

    WHAT A PROVOCATIVE TITLE FOR THIS ARTICLE - I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO READ ABOUT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NAZI CLUB AT THE SCHOOL - WE ARE SO POLITICALLY CORRECT THAT EVERYTHING NOW IS BLOWN OUT OF ALL PROPORTION. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GROW UP?

      Michael - 2012-06-11 14:25

      'WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GROW UP?' Your desktop missing the caps key? Grown ups normally have a consciousness and respect for history and understand that things that begin with comedy can lead to bigger problems. Europe thought that hitler was a buffoon and no one took him seriously either. Ideas have consequences…

  • VisionRI - 2012-06-11 14:22

    wow what happened to this countries sense of humour my word, this was funny and the type of memories you laugh about 5 years down the line

      Michael - 2012-06-11 14:48

      @Vision A great philosopher once said that you can measure how degenerate a culture is by what they think is funny. When we make fun of genocide and mass starvation (remember all the Ethiopians jokes?) it is too late... Insanity masquerades as humour sometimes. It is never funny, not even 4000 years later.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-06-11 15:34

      Quite right Michael. Do not judge a degenerate nation by the way it treats its citizens. Or the way its leaders live in opulence and oppress its people. Or by its warmongering. No! Judge it by its sense of humour! What a gas!!! I am sure that if you look hard enough, you will find a philospher that said just the opposite.

      Michael - 2012-06-11 15:46

      Well…the way a people treat one another is based on respect and holding to the sanctity of human life. The opposite would be a disdain to the point of mockery - not sure you connected those two dots did you? Not sure if you have ever worked with or ever been around criminals, they make jokes about their victims. But I would not expect you to understand the depths of human depravity…

  • chucky.johnson.58 - 2012-06-11 14:22

    I did nazi this coming

      Shawn Jared Fegen - 2012-06-11 18:05

      I loled

  • Loo - 2012-06-11 14:44

    This is going to keep the Hawks/Scorpions/Eagles/Ittermago's/CIA/FBI/NIA/SIU/HRC (Not sure what they're called anymore) busy. I'm sure even the FPB board would not let this slide.

  • Enlightened - 2012-06-11 14:59

    Load of crap. How come I can cruise around saluting with a clenched fist when communism has wiped out many times more than HItler has ever been accused of, even by his most rabid detractors? Or are Jews better than others?

  • James - 2012-06-11 15:06

    Yeah, it's all about being politically correct nowadays, very sad. I am no Nazi sympathizer, but these kids obviously did it in jest, and there is no deeper meaning to it than that. Obviously the Media, along with some egotistical, self righteous people in power have decided to blow this completely out of proportion - any excuse to make the news!

  • Ted - 2012-06-11 15:18

    I want to see how the Freedom of Speech crusaders handle this one! We had the Spear, ETB painting, Nandos Diversity, WK flag burning orgy, FF comment on land etc. Now this sounds like an extra hot peri peri piece. People say we should stop talking about apartheid, slavery, colonialism etc coz its in the past. Now isn't this the same thing?

  • diran.pillay - 2012-06-11 15:40

    To the kid who told, total square.

  • mbuso.tholly - 2012-06-11 16:04

    dat right hand meant "bad thingz"4 innocent ppl.it happenede in rwanda,eastern europe ect n it shld nt happened again.it lyk whites killing blacks during apartheid it shld n't had happened

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-06-11 16:32

    Bla bla black sheep.

  • Enlightened - 2012-06-11 17:24

    I am not German and one should not even joke about evil people like Stalin, Lenin Pol Pot, Mao Castro, must I carry on? And before you come back to me with some emotional regurgitation, just check how many people died at the hand of each of the individuals I have listed, I havent even begun with Eastern Europe.

      Koos - 2012-06-11 20:13

      Careful, you touching the ANC on its studio.

  • Lana - 2012-06-11 18:17

    People should really lighten up and not make a crusade of every little incident. Yes, what happened during the second world war was horrible beyond imaganing, but I am sure we have learnt from the past and do not need to turn a bit of harmless humor by high spirrited boys into a declaration of war

  • Sulette Behnke - 2012-06-11 18:40

    I can't possibly see how a teenager can be saddened by what happened to his family almost 70 years ago. My great grandfather fought against the brittish and our people were in camps, it's cruel but it doesn't affect my emotions directly. It was a school joke as kids do

      Oupa Mathe - 2014-02-22 07:37

      School joke!!!!!

  • Keelvol Insa - 2014-02-24 16:11

    mm

  • Keelvol Insa - 2014-02-24 16:17

    With all respect the Jews must try to relax. The boer woman and daugthers were raped and treated badly by the English. Do we get aggressive when somebody comes to a party dressed as a British? No. When some skinny, very white Jew gets on the stage and joke about Hitler, that is fine, or can the Neo Nazi's stand up and make a noise?

  • Keelvol Insa - 2014-02-24 16:24

    Today we are going to play soccer. The one that loose is going to the Gas Chamber. Germans you play on the A Field. Jews you play on the mine field.

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