Toy guns 'not good for kids'

2009-11-17 10:05
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Cape Town - Toy guns are beginning to look more and more like the real thing - to such an extent that they are increasingly being used in robberies.

Gunfree South Africa (GFSA) has therefore asked retailers who stock toy guns to remove them from store shelves.

"We ask children to hand in these toys and we ask parents not to give them as Christmas presents," said Natalie Jaynes, the Western Cape director of GFSA.

As part of a special campaign with a view towards toy sales increasing over Christmas, GFSA had already collected about 5 000 toy guns, said Jaynes.

"We believe that in a country like South Africa, which is traumatised by crime, it is imperative that peaceful games are encouraged. We want to spread the message to children that firearms are not fun.

Contradictory messages

"Parent convey contradictory messages to children when they tell them to stay away from real firearms, but then give them toy guns to play with.

"When a parent gives a toy to a child, the child assumes the parent approves of the toy."

Jaynes said children "practiced" situations. "When playing, they are practicing to be adults by using things that adults use. Do we really want them to practice violence?"

Jaynes said so far, Pick n Pay was the only store supporting the campaign.

Pick n Pay spokesperson Tamra Veley said they only sold water guns as these couldn't be mistaken for firearms and were "innocent fun".

She said Pick n Pay had decided years ago not to sell toys that could be mistaken for firearms.

- Beeld

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Undertaker 11/17/2009 10:13:56 AM
Rather not buy toy guns to protect the child and yourselves from the "Shoot to Kill" SAPS guys.

Anon 11/17/2009 10:15:33 AM
Agree 100%. Let them rather get trained with the real thing, so that they can at least defend themselves against the gun-toting criminal scum in this country.

Ant 11/17/2009 10:16:19 AM
GFSA is are tiny group of misguided activists who get a disproportionate amount of media coverage.

I doubt the guys who hijacked and threw a woman off a bridge in KZN were driven to do the deed by having played with toy guns when they were kids.

How can we support GFSA, if their ultimate aim is to remove our ability to defend ourselves against these types of acts?

Let's get one thing straight. You will NEVER remove guns from the hands of criminals. All you can do, is focus on the soft targets - the law abiding citizens - and remove their ability to defend themselves against said criminals. It is the most illogical strategy imaginable.

Tom 11/17/2009 10:18:51 AM
The same old tired lies and rhetoric from GFSA every year - but where are your members, GFSA? Why are you funded from abroad? And why do your statements fly in the face of recognised research proving that toy guns are NOT causative factors in violence? Liars, every one of you GFSA spokesdroids! Then again, you DO get paid to spread these lies...

C762 11/17/2009 10:19:07 AM
How does Gfsa makes a correlation between a toy & violence? What about Violence on TV & computer games! IF PnP supports GFSA I will no longer support them. Either personally or from our business shopping.

SS 11/17/2009 10:19:21 AM
Well done Pick N Pay! I think South Africans should only buy toys this Christmas from Pick n Pay and not shops that sell toy guns. Don't support the shops that sell toy guns!

Scorp 11/17/2009 10:21:04 AM
I urge my child to play paintball an any other form of Self defence, as The GOV, and Gunfree SA is disarming the public leaving us defenceless, Taking guns away from licensed owners is not the answer, Until Sa is a safe place,,., I support guns

Shame 11/17/2009 10:21:50 AM
That will help , lets teach our children to live in a "perfect world" I grew up with toy guns and real guns and im not trigger happy , focus on the real problem. You might even think that water pistols are dangerous.

GT 11/17/2009 10:24:01 AM
I love hunting and guns, but see NO value in toy guns. They teach kids nothing about the dangers of real guns and encourage a bang and you are dead mentality. Hand guns have 1 purpose, to kill people. That is not good in anyones book. BUT, until the cops get illegal guns off the streets, they cannot expect legal owners to abandon theirs

Johan 11/17/2009 10:24:10 AM
What a lot of rubbish. Cowboys and crooks have been played from the day I can remember and that didn’t made me to be violent to anyone. A toy gun will make your child a murderer is the same as saying that buying your child vegetables would make him a farmer.

Rudi 11/17/2009 10:24:35 AM
I really wish organisations like Gunfree South Africa get something worthwhile to keep themselves busy with. All of my family and friends I grew up with played with toy guns that looked and sounded like the real deal. Not one of them has commited a gun related crime. If kids are brought up in a responsible manner they will understand the difference between wrong and right! Go save the wales or something!!

Peter 11/17/2009 10:25:23 AM
Yet we allow our kids to play video games where they steal cars and kill people and then we want to worry about toy guns. Ban violent movies and games

Nolene 11/17/2009 10:25:49 AM
I agree. never liked the idea of my son playing with guns. He don't own one gun and he is happy. He don't know guns and that doesn't bother him.

K2G 11/17/2009 10:28:18 AM
I agree with this campaign completely. We are sending mixed signals to our children with violent toys. Especially in this day and age we should teach them that these type of things are wrong. They are our future!! And somewhere I do have hope for SA and I want my son to be safe and see that he 2 has a bright future ahead of him. How they can manufacture these toys in anyway goes beyond me - how can it be a fun game pretending to kill someone?
Thank you P&P for your support regarding this campaign. I will be supporting you this christmass!!

Kerryn 11/17/2009 10:32:43 AM
It's a call that should have been made years ago.
There should be a higher implementation of gun awareness programs, and less emphasis behind movies/ media/ individuals that condone such practices.

Increase the number of shooting ranges and responsible gun handling, implement gun chipping or tracking and registration.

People should be aware of the power they yield, but realise guns don't kill, people do...

Riaan 11/17/2009 10:33:15 AM
What a joke! It is not the gun that is the problem,it is the PEOPLE using them!!

Nothing wrong with playing good old fashion''cowboys and indians''

b20 11/17/2009 10:36:19 AM
GFSA is attempting to "un-invent" guns. Unfortunately, this is highly unrealistic and naive. Children will always be exposed to guns, either on TV, in computer games or in books. Instead of turning guns into evil objects to be feared, we should rather focus on "demystifying" guns and teaching children to respect them and to practice the principles of gun safety.

Unfortunately, GFSA has proven itself to be as illogical in its approach to toy guns as it is towards real guns.

Parent 11/17/2009 10:36:45 AM
What a load of bull.....boys are boys and will make guns out of wood if possible....its part of the natural cycle of growing up. It has yet to be proven that playing with guns leads to a life of violence. Do we want our children growing up as woosies......it seems like some parents have already adopted that idea!!

Pieter 11/17/2009 10:37:37 AM
I am not pro-guns but do not own a firearm - not even a pellet gun. People like Gunfree SA need to wake up, we played cops and robbers and (as far as I kinow) I am a well balanced adult. A firearm don't make you a violent person, the way you were brought up determines what kind of a person you will be. When my kids were small I also refused to buy toy guns. One day I realised that they will use any thing as a gun, making it even more dangerous - a stickgun can be sharp and deadley to kid in his own hands, they can lose eyes, etc. If you are scared to buy toy guns the problem is with the way in wich you educate your child, i.e. the problem is you not the toy gun. LET KIDS BE KIDS, LET THEM PLAY AND EXPLORE. RATHER BAN TV AND COMPUTER GAMES. BUY THEM TOY GUNS AND BICYCLES, LET THEM FALL OUT OF TREES AND ALLOW THEM TO LIVE HAPPY AND ACTIVE LIVES. AN ACTIVE AND INVOLVED CHILD IS A HAPPY WELL BALANCED CHILD.

Vulnerable 11/17/2009 10:39:24 AM
these are the idiots that bravely insist the middle class give up their weapons to defend themselves...

When they get the criminals to give up their weapons, then I'll take them seriously. Honestly, I respect the liberals who changed society in the 1960s - 1980s, not today's confused, misdirected, relativistic vote fodder.

Amber 11/17/2009 10:40:13 AM
We played with toy guns when we were small, and our generation is just fine!!

Hi IQ 11/17/2009 10:40:58 AM
What a lot of rubbish!!I played Cowboys and Crooks when I was young and have never had the urge to kill someone.

Sean Murphy 11/17/2009 10:41:28 AM
More nonsense from GFSA. Children do not learn violence from playing games with other children. They learn violence from from seeing, reading and hearing about violence. Our newspapers and TV screens are filled daily with violence and that's just from the ANC's political speeches, don't even get me started on the crime reports.

Steven 11/17/2009 10:43:19 AM
Oh gun free SA why dont you just put a sock in it!! Why don't you spend your time formulating a solution to all the ileagle AK 47s and R5 rifles in circulation instead of worrying about the toy guns. It's been proven over and over again that the only way to deal with gun crime is to fight fire with fire. It would seem that non of you or your members have every had a gun shoved in your face and wished that you too had one!

Yvonne 11/17/2009 10:44:37 AM
I support this wholeheartly. It is not neccessary for parents to buy guns fori their children. I also think any parent who buys and gives their children airguns(windbuks) to shoot birds etc are irrespon sible and should go for counselling!! Children only learn via their parents and it is shocking that children are ENCOURAGED BY THEIR PARENTS TO PLAY COPS AND ROBBERS ETC.
IT IS NOT THE CHILDREN IT IS THE PARENTS WHO NEED HELP!!!

Geoff Carter 11/17/2009 10:46:44 AM
If all toy guns are going to be removed from the shelves at the request of GFSA, I would greatly appreciate all retailers to remove all the toy: Bows & arrows, knives, batons etc...as well as the PC/Xbox/PS2&3/Wii games that contain any violent blood thirsty game play. Oh, we might as well remove any object that can cause any possibility of bodily harm because if simply enjoying a game of cops & robbers or Cowboy's & Indians is going to turn our children into mass murdering psychopaths, then this course of action will obviously save them?

Seriously, I have had the pleasure of spending the afternoon with my daughter shooting at a paper target with a plastic BB gun. I taught her the same safety rules as when using a "real" gun and she loved it! At the age of 8 she understood that it would be very painful to shoot me or one of the dogs and she didn't once try to. To now say that by playing with this item will turn her into a criminal or murderer is not only insulting to me but also to her!

If however through her "playing" with toy guns, she one day decides that she will take responsibility for her own safety and will licence and carry a firearm for her own protection, I believe that a positive benefit has been gained from that toy.

Richard 11/17/2009 10:49:32 AM
GFSA provide absolutely no evidence to support their claims that toy guns affect the development of children, only anecdotes and rhetoric. I will not take their claims seriously until they do. I do not approve of guns personally, but I support the rights of others to own weapons for self-defence or sporting purposes.


Paul 11/17/2009 10:52:40 AM
I suppose I should not give my kids a toy car either incase I give him the wrong signal that cars are 100% safe. Or that toy bike I was thinking of or a rugby ball with all those rugby injuries. Dam maybe I should skip that bycycle too, you know you could fall off and hurt yourself. I think I'll just give him nothing then.

Gun free SA you are the biggest joke second only to Mr Malema.


Frederik 11/17/2009 10:53:34 AM
Well well what else is next banning all violent TV shows? We can make as much laws as we like criminals just dont adhere to those no matter what. Did the stricker gunlaws have any effect on the crime rate??? Absolutely Not! Taking away toys from kids will that reduce the crime rate? No! get real people we are at war with these criminals and the only way to stop a war is with FORCE!

Bryan 11/17/2009 10:54:32 AM
PnP what a bunch of idiots imagine listening to a group of professional liars then taking it out on our children, pathetic wimps and corporate bullies! I am off to SPAR!

Flabbergasted 11/17/2009 10:55:45 AM
For a couple of hundred years children have been playing with toy guns, before that they had wooden swords to play with. I am amazed that Gun Free South Africa has not tackled the SABC, Mnet, ETV etc and requested them to not air programs of a violent nature until after 9pm when children should be in bed. The censorship in this country has gone to pot and no-one is pointing a finger at the Censhorship Board. Programmes with violence, sex, blasphemy and downright disrepectful behaviour are being shown during prime time between 5.30pm and 9pm. My children who are 4yrs and 12 yrs old are not allowed to watch anything with violence in it. my 4yr old son does not attend our one and only decent play school because the children there are allowed to watch WWF Raw Wrestling etc and they practice these moves on their playmates. Gun Free South Africa, instead of stopping children from playing cowboys and crooks where it was always intended that the good guys wins, why don't you lobby the childrens stores, video stores and stores that rent out/sell these violent childrens movies as well as the TV Stations and the Censorship Board to stop allowing such violent rubbish from being aired on National TV.

Deon 11/17/2009 10:56:15 AM
WHY?? I grew up playing with toy guns and got a pellet when I was 7. Shot anything that moved on the farm....and I haven't killed anybody and I don't even own a gun today!!

Anon 11/17/2009 11:00:56 AM
I will not buy toys from Pick n Pay this Christmas.

Here is quiz!
Why does GFSA get so much media coverage ?

Becos the criminals support them.

andy 11/17/2009 11:02:49 AM
My grandfather played with toy guns, so did my dad and eventually myself. GFSA, rather concentrate your efforts in campaigning against ILLEGAL firearms - they're the ones that kill....As for kids and toys - it's the crap they see on TV and the overly graphic electronic games that screw their little heads. And Christmas shopping at P& P is so last year anyway...

Miggs 11/17/2009 11:03:07 AM
They want to do what they did in Mozambique all those years ago..... Gun Free Yeah then when nobody except them have guns they kill you and kick you out the Country......

7x57 Mauser 11/17/2009 11:05:22 AM
Ha-ha. Next they will be trying to ban toy swords and pirate outfits as there has been an increase in pirate activity on the Somali coast. Lets start banning toy cars as real ones have killed more people this year then guns. What idiots ha-ha

Cowboy 11/17/2009 11:09:51 AM
Take away all gun shows from the TV also! Disarm the police and no-one must have bodyguards. The only defence should be your hands and feet. Tee hee hee, feet for cowards to run!

LAF 11/17/2009 11:13:26 AM
Using terms like guns and violence as if they are interchangeable is simply misleading! Guns are to violence what women are to prostitution. A violent society will remain violent, even if all guns are removed. Rather address the issue of violence and leave guns out of it.

TC 11/17/2009 11:18:24 AM
Is there a more comical, useless, overrated waste-of-time than 'gunfree-SA'? They offer us nothing!

steved 11/17/2009 11:21:57 AM
As a parent I approve of toy guns.
When a child plays (and myself as a child)they imagine they are defending themselves from or fighting against the baddies. There is such a thing as righteous anger. What makes a child violent as an adult is mostly a combination of genetics and being treated violently as a child.
Children are not taught self-control.

Herman 11/17/2009 11:25:25 AM
What a load of crap! Ban televisions. It has brought violence, sex and other crap into your living room giving children access at far to young an age. Remove illegal firearms and guns will never be a problem again. Sanri Van Wyk is an absolute idiot along with the rest of GFSA.

John 11/17/2009 11:27:44 AM
What must boys play with then if they can’t play with toy guns or games with guns? Dolls? Then where will that lead? To boys that act like girls!!!!
A toy gun shows that if you shoot somebody they get hurt and any good parent would teach their kids that is bad and there are always consequences.

Rushdi 11/17/2009 11:31:25 AM
I applaud Gun Free SA's good intentions, and my heart agrees with them.

When I have children, I plan never to buy them guns, but if my child for some reason insists on a toy gun, s/he will have it. I regularly hid/ threw away my 5 nephews' toy guns (given to them by the OTHER half of their family!), but occasionally i couldn't get to their guns - and the boys have turned out well-rounded, sweet kids, so my own doggedness has proved unecessary.

But my heart remainds with GFSA, and while I won't ever totally ban my children from playing with toy guns, I will never be an active proponent of these hideous things.

antman 11/17/2009 11:31:37 AM
The most common used weapon in South Africa is not a gun......its the knife and its found in every single house and kitchen. Where is KFSA....Knife Free South Africa.....We have a god given right to defend ourselves....no-one has the right to take that away from us.....

Jade D 11/17/2009 11:42:06 AM
"Parent convey contradictory messages to children when they tell them to stay away from real firearms, but then give them toy guns to play with."
Really... and if I tell my child not to drive my car but buy him a toy car instead, is this also contradictory? Oh please, can't you find something better to do with your time? Surely getting SA to be gunfree should start with the adults (read criminals) that use them and not the children that play with them?

Spades 11/17/2009 11:44:28 AM
How retarded is this thinking?

As children we played cops and robbers, cowboys and indians and none of us are criminals or grew up condoning violence.

I suppose playing with a tea/cooking set will ensure you grow up to be Jamie Oliver. Playing with scalextric cars will ensure you grow up to be Michael Schumaker, playing with boats will ensure you grow up to be a Pirate, playing with aeroplanes............ should I go on?

When are people in SA going to stop trying to find who/what they can blame rather than address the problem HEAD ON???

PRO TOY GUN 11/17/2009 11:49:09 AM
You cant blame a crime ridden RSA on toy guns. Crime is the consequence of bad education and no discipline. Take away tv and tv games and spend more time with your children.

Anon E Mouse 11/17/2009 11:51:52 AM
GFSA is a mercenary organization - funded from abroad with a limited SA following and probably having no paid up membership in SA. Their "research" is questionable and rely on urban legends to spread their lies and half-truths. Children should be trained properly on a shooting range, and will then grow up to be responsible adults.

Dewald 11/17/2009 11:52:37 AM
Can I buy them a toy car? Since the way everybody is driving they must have learned how to drive by playing with toy cars. What a load of rubish...

Schalk Roets 11/17/2009 11:57:35 AM
I agree that you should not buy your children plastic toy guns. He/She will be able to learn the basics and responsiblity of shooting far better using a good pellet gun. And be able to one day introduce his/her own children to shooting using that same pellet gun. Makes much better economic sense, if you ask me. And displays a measure of commons sense as well.

DPP 11/17/2009 11:58:13 AM
Then we may as well ban Barbie for promoting anorexia ... or cars for causing fatal accidents ...

Touché 11/17/2009 12:00:13 PM
Oh for pete's sake! I grew up playing with toy guns and I'm not running around on killing sprees. Neither does my brother, cousins, nieces and nephews. What next? Ban the sale of toy cars to help curb future road death tolls?

ARIES 11/17/2009 12:00:45 PM
Yeah then you must not buy them sissors or anything sharp or anything that could be used as a weapon, which is everything.

Mousekewitz 11/17/2009 12:02:25 PM
What a load of rubbish. Kids have played with guns, played cops and robbers, cowboys and indians etc forever (I am one of them) and I am not even a gun owner, let alone trigger happy like the guys who are given guns and kill innocent 3 year old children. I watched my boys when they were smaller and if they didn't have toy guns to play with then they used sticks instead. GNFA are chops!

Brett 11/17/2009 12:05:56 PM
Could someone show me what a 'violent toy' looks like? I think I know a dumbass when I see one...I know a stupi comment when I see it...Don't think I've ever seen a 'violent toy' before.

Are toys not inanimate?

Old Folk 11/17/2009 12:09:55 PM
As kids, (in the 70-80's) toy guns were the primary gift for birthdays and Xmas. We played outdoors and made up games of cowboys and crooks, stayed healthy and only some may have become violent or trigger happy. Now kids have Wii, PS, X-Box etc, stay inside, kill monsters on the TV/ monitor, don't exercise, get fat, are unhealthy and the world perceives them to be SO violent that we should ban toy guns and go for electronic warfare.

One more note, most killings are with either unlicensed firearms or SAPS firearms, a small portion are from legally owned firearms.

And, another note, all murders are not committed with firearms… let's ban cutlery, shoe laces, glass bottles, axes, steelpipes ...

Are we getting stupid zombies or is someone pushing Xmas profits for Sony et al?..... We’re becoming bloody Yanks!

Linda 11/17/2009 12:12:15 PM
Violence comes from the heart of a child (or adult) and will not be produced by an inanimate object. Any inanimate object has the potential to be used for good or evil. Defending yourself with a gun is not an act of violence. Children are not fools (unlike unthinking, propaganda-spouting adults)and I have never seen children role-playing action games where the criminals were the heroes; nor games where the baddies did not come by their just desserts. Probably because these children came from justice-loving and non-violent homes, where violence isn't glorified. Why not go after movies, television and gaming that glorifies real violence, gore and lawlessness. Or how about politicians that advocate violence against non-agressors?! The close resemblance of the toy to the real gun is a separate issue, and should be treated as such.

WOF 11/17/2009 12:12:22 PM
It's not about wether Cowboys and Crooks makes you violent or wether taking away toy guns from kids somehow makes us more vulnerable to criminals. Its more about building a society that frowns on the "acceptance" of violence that perameates our everyday lives. A lot from our childhood is no longer "PC", as we have over time relaised that it can no longer be acceptable. Everybody seems so reluctent to be the first to give something up. We will all need to give up small things individually to achieve greater things collectively. Help build the moral future.

GDP 11/17/2009 12:14:40 PM
I think we should ban everything and let our children grow up living in oxygen tents. It's the only way to be sure they turn out well adjusted.GFSA - go away. Your petty and pointless arguments are not presented well but I do understand you have to make money somehow. Try opening a real business.

BuyingANewGun 11/17/2009 12:16:32 PM
Natalie Jaynes is this what you do at GFSA to justify your salary, you and your organisation is a complete joke. Oh and why only stop at guns, what about knifes? Idiots.

Malcolm 11/17/2009 12:16:44 PM
More of GFSA's lies and distorted facts to suit their paid agenda. Julias Malema has more credibility.Even Zuma and his supporters play with machine guns. If GFSA is so sucessful why is the crime rate rising despite the harsh gun laws?

alan 11/17/2009 12:17:04 PM
GFSA are a bunch of wimps! If you don't give boys guns to play with, they will make them anyway out of sticks or anything. This sort of stuff is hard-wired into boys. Mine even chewed biscuits into the shape of pistols, yet they have grown up into sane, sensible human beings. GFSA need to see reality.

dtg 11/17/2009 12:17:38 PM
I agree that this is a load of nonsense. We live in a world where our children are exposed to guns and violence everyday. Children who are brought up responsibly know what is real and what is not, what is dangerous and what is not. Teach the children about the danger of guns, just as we do about drugs, electric plugs, fire etc. We all grew up with toy guns, I dont know anyone who has killed anyone else. In fact I dont know anyone personally, yes I do live in SA, who even owns a real gun. We wern't exposed to all the violence that shows people that the only way to get your way is with a gun in your hand. Education and awareness is key. Go do some proper research and then get back to us..

Catch the Hug 11/17/2009 12:18:49 PM
I really don't get you ignorant biased people, I was robbed at gun point, only to find out later that when they caught the freaking laaitie that he tried to rob an of duty policeman, I recognised him in a lineup. You don't know the truama people go through when you find these things out later when the person is caught. Why don't parents buy their daughters guns as toys? Why do we buy our kids fireworks, when we as parents know it is wrong. Then we want to complain when bad things happen to our kids. What the parents don't get is that these toy guns represent a bad ailment in our society and they should take the blame for it as parents

JAson 11/17/2009 12:28:08 PM
It is a toy, let children play. Why not take away all dangerous toys, motor bikes, tanks, swords, bows and arrows, toy soldiers.

What is a child supposed to develop an imagination with, tv and video games.

Francois 11/17/2009 12:30:25 PM
Toy guns are not the problem. Education on safety is the answer. I have used and participated in firearm related activities since age 5 and I am now teaching my sons. They know the facts and they know the safety aspects. This has never influenced me or them into violent abnormal behaviour. Stop blaming the tool, it is the person that commits the violence, whether a gun, knife, hammer, screwdriver, hanger, cord, pantihose, plastic bag etc is used. It cannot do anything by itself, it is an inanimate object.

Wayne Kukard 11/17/2009 12:30:37 PM
If the parents are scared of guns on the shelves then they should not buy them. What utter nonsense this is. Grow up parents for goodness sake there are bigger issues in our country than kids playing cowboys and indians or crooks. Rather focus your enegery on the pressing issues in our country then maybe we can get somewhere . . .

Bobby 11/17/2009 12:31:34 PM
Please man, GFSA are funded, salaried employees of an overseas organisation - just one more piece of interferance Africa does not want nor need. Guns dont kill people, the people behind them do, adress the cause.

Hannelie 11/17/2009 12:32:29 PM
I've never allowed my two sons (aged 22 and 9) to ever play with toy guns or any "weapons". They grew up with Lego, puzzles and other educational games. Today I'm reaping the rewards of having two very decent, peace loving, non fighting, respectful boys. The older son is very popular amongst the girls, having been taught respect and non-violence. I can see the vast difference between the both of them in both vastly different age-groups and their peers. Most of any of their friends are rough, harsh, want to fight all the time and have no respect for women or authority. If I watch other nine-year-olds and how they carry on, fight, kick, box and shout at each other and their teacher, I get chills up my spine. My younger son is very much loved by his teachers (past and present) because he's so well behaved and "good", especially compared to his class mates. And don't give me the bull that kids learn violence from seeing, reading or watching it on tv! My sons see this all the time, but they've never ever reverted to such behaviour.
See? It all comes back to upbringing (or lack thereof).
So, GFSA, please carry on with your campaign, I wholeheartedly stand behind you and encourage you.

Robert 11/17/2009 12:34:51 PM
Next it'll be the Carebears that are satanic... oh, wait.

Truth be told, I played with toy guns when much younger as did my brothers. None of us even own a firearm today. I guess if you can't blame an individual for their actions you've got to blame something.

Dean 11/17/2009 12:39:12 PM
I think we should ban all guns including the ones the look like exact replicas that are used in criminal activities...Toys that don't look real should be allowed.Poverty causes crime and therfore should be addressed. People who have jobs etc. do not kill people or commit serious violent crime. Still a great idea to rid us of guns!!!

Jacques 11/17/2009 12:39:40 PM
GFSA making noise for the sake of some publicity. They are such a pathetic organization, and the never have any arguments of substance. Why are they given media coverage?

Man they must be bored. Let the children be children, my pals and I all played with toy guns and grew up just fine thanks.

DR 11/17/2009 12:42:36 PM
One of these day some or other stupid organisation will ask shops to take baby like dolls of there shelfs as it might encourage children to have babies.

Malombo 11/17/2009 12:49:31 PM
Just as SAB also supports GFSA, I will not buy any of their products.Let them rather sell to the murderers and robbers.My children grew up with guns and was taught to respect and treat with caution.Never had a problem with violence

give up 11/17/2009 12:53:29 PM
Tried to steer away from buying my son a gun, then he used a stick, a banana, eat his bread into a gun shape. To to GFS all the best in trying to get it right but bkids will be kids ......Sorry for you

The Easter Bunny 11/17/2009 1:02:52 PM
I personally DO have a problem with real guns... I DON'T think people should be able to get a firearm license as easily as they do and I personally, will never own a gun BUT I played with toy guns as a child (Cowboys and Indians, Army etc)... my 3 year old son loves toy guns... I really don't see the harm. It is just a toy. It didn't turn me into a psychopathic gun-wielding lunatic... we are more than intelligent enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality and don't need "nannies" telling us otherwise

Sharkykzn 11/17/2009 1:11:49 PM
"Pick n Pay spokesperson Tamra Veley said they only sold water guns as these couldn't be mistaken for firearms and were "innocent fun"."
So where does the concept differ - Bang, Bang your dead. Let the kids have their toys, and let the parents do their job in raising them correctly. Knowing right and wrong. GFSA will only result in the bad guys being armed and the rest of us - Victims!

Not impressed 11/17/2009 1:12:51 PM
GFSA, you are so misguided! We all grew up with toy guns, and we are not all criminals. You are the small group that want to disarm our innocent, law abiding citizens to make it easier for the criminals to get to. Please find something else to chase...

Peter Gibbs 11/17/2009 1:14:28 PM
Is Pick'n'Pay also removing all toy bows and arrows,toy cars,toy knives,all bats from their shelves as well.P+P always join these BS iniatives so they can look very "PC". I will from now on be boycotting them and ask that anyone who is against GFSA to please do the same.
GFSA- Go Figure Stupid Activists.

Mike Brookes 11/17/2009 1:21:26 PM
As a kid I played with guns(And made my own fuctional bow and arrows). As an adult I owned twelve firearms up until +/- 3 years before I left SA. Never shot anybody or became a serial killer. Certain people make gun ownership in SA their pet hobbyhorse. SA needs better psycho / profiling before giving out gun licenses.

B20 11/17/2009 1:22:03 PM
Hannelie, you contradict yourself.

You say that your kids turned out well because they didn't play with toy guns, and then you say that they watch violence on tv but they do not revert to this behaviour.

I think that your kids turned out well because you brought them up well and taught them to exhibit appropriate values, for which I congratulate you. But to assume that the lack of toy guns present during their childhood has ANYTHING to do with it is grossly naive.I am a 25 year old guy, I played with toy guns in my youth and was taught to respect guns and practice gun safety through the use of these toys. I am now a qualified professional, happily married and ,I daresay, it appears I turned out fine. You need to consider that GFSA is WRONG in attempting to link the complex social characteristics that result in a violent criminal behaviour to something as simple as a toy gun.

kp 11/17/2009 1:22:40 PM
I always loved toy guns and went on to own a pellet gun. As an adult i have never owned a gun so GFSA it talking nonsense. Children will pretend to have guns by using sticks etc. I have always allowed my children to have guns if they wanted to and they have rarley played with them. my sister banned her children from guns and both her children now carry guns. This makes GFSA storie a lot of bull

Bryan 11/17/2009 1:24:39 PM
I find it stupendous as well as stupid that PnP would discriminate against children by agreeing to this clap trap! shame on you the Ackermanns! it is preposterous that GFSA can continue their rhetoric of lies, lies and more lies!

Danny 11/17/2009 1:28:49 PM
What a load of hogwash! GFSA are a group that is in cahoots with the Govt to disarm the law-abiding population. To this day there has not been on single firearm handed it by a gang member or (active) criminal. but scores of law-abiding citizens have been left without any means of self defense.

I agree with the person who said toy guns are a waste of time. My son has none, he does, however shoot with me in two clubs and is regularly well placed in competitions. He obviously does not have access to any firearm without my supervision, but he is very competent when it comes to all safety aspects. in fact, he knows better than some of our useless SAPS officers who end up murdering children.

B20 11/17/2009 1:30:17 PM
Easter Bunny, your statement that people shold not be able to get a firearm licence as easily as they do is misguided. You obviously are not aware of the processes involved in obtaining a firearm licence in South Africa today.

The process is extremely onerous and takes a MINIMUM of 18 months, and usually longer. Potential gunowners need to provide written character references, along with 3 interviews of those close to you in order to establish that you are of sound mind. Your fingerprints are scanned and processed to ensure you do not have a criminal record. You need to motivate fully as to your need for a licence. This motivation is scrutinised by a committee. Your safe keeping facilities need to be inspected by a member of the SAPS. As I have said, it is a lengthy and onerous process. So please refrain from making ill-informed statements.

WTF? 11/17/2009 1:38:54 PM
You wont get rid of a child wanting to shoot things (If it's a boy I can tell you from experience it's not gunna happen.) You can take it away but he will catch a glimpse of some kind of weapon on the tv and imagine himself a gun... I find this to be a joke.
So to the GFSA, thanks for making me giggle... And thanks for showing us just how bad we are at parenting and how stupid our kids really are (was that too sarcastic? :P)

peterpiperpickledpepper 11/17/2009 1:42:56 PM
@ The Easter Bunny. Why do you think people should not own guns? What is your reason. Whatever it is, do your research before you answer that question though.

Secondly, getting a licence is EXTREMELY difficult. Dont believe me? Try getting a licence for a new gun. It is virtually impossible, and guaranteed to be declined if you hint at self protection.

I am trying to find out the reasoning for the existence of an organisation like GFSA that has to use lies to promote their cause.

Gun control has nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with control.

I would much rather stand over the dead body of an intruder, smoking gun in hand, than attend the funeral of my spouse and children. But somehow, to the anti gunners out there, attending the funeral of your family or friends is the morally acceptable choice.

PDR 11/17/2009 1:51:42 PM
Gun Free South Africa should get a life and leave my freedom of choice alone. If they choose to disarm themselves against the criminals, go for it. I want the right to protect myself. It's very funny if they think they'll get rid of illegal weapons.

Vic 11/17/2009 1:53:59 PM
O please! Boys will use bananas and pretend it is a gun. A gun is just a tool - just like a screw-driver. We should rather teach or children not to play with guns and make them aware how guns in the wrong hands can hurt innocent people.

John the Saint 11/17/2009 1:54:13 PM
Now this is bull. If toys and computer games make children violent, how come the most criminals are from disadvantage regions, where the children got no toys or computers?

ED @ Anon 11/17/2009 1:56:07 PM
Brilliant!!!

Christine 11/17/2009 1:57:20 PM
I honestly can not believe that toy guns are to be banned? c'mon, most boys play with guns, even as little girls my sister and I played guns with our cousins and our brother, and yep, it has never made me want to own my own gun, let alone running around threatening or shooting others? My boy loves playing with guns, trucks, etc. It will not make him a killer neither. He still has a decent upbringing and I would prefer him playing with guns and trucks as opposed to watching all the 'crap' children programmes on TV nowadays. Also, as for gun licenses, what is the point? Most crimes / robberies they confirm the weapons involved are those obtained only in SAPS / Army, etc? The problem lies much deeper than the toy gun section at the local supermarket.

jo-jo 11/17/2009 2:01:27 PM
GFS - focus your efforts in the right place.I.e. not kids with toys, not innocent people with guns for self defence, but the criminal who has a gun, no licence and doesn't go to jail after using it. Get those guys and guns off the street and you'll be ok.

Jacques 11/17/2009 2:09:10 PM
@Easter Bunny: Easy to get a gun in SA, are you kidding? I am dedicated sportsperson and it takes me 11 months+ to get a license, I know of people who waited 6 years and were denied for no good reason at all! The average time is well over a year or two, after paying a fortune in licensing, tests, etc that the average SA person can not afford. How is that easy?

Do you have a problem with the guns in police hands? Are you basically not just outsourcing?

Peter R 11/17/2009 2:12:54 PM
What has GFSA done about disarming criminals ? Instead they have persued an agenda of trying to disarm licensed firearm owners .. And now they are trying to encourage retailers from stocking Toy guns .
What next ?



Skurk 11/17/2009 2:15:38 PM
Who is GFSA that they can prescribe to me what I can buy and what I can’t buy? It is one thing for them to print flyers, leaflets and write articles informing adults/people or I am sure they would like to call it ‘educate’ people. It is something completely different for them to intervene on my behalf, make decisions on my behalf and dictate to retailers, and therefore to me as a consumer – what I can and cannot purchase.

I thought that we were a free nation and that we could make our own choices. I am very disappointed in the retailers heading their call as this does not reflect the wishes of the people. I would like to refer to the poll, regarding this issue, that is currently running where the majority are voting for a freedom of choice.

Vic 11/17/2009 2:45:00 PM
If you have a computer, internet access and can read then this article is not for you.

Stats are a bit wobbly these days but in the late 90's there were 30,000 handguns stolen each year and around 30,000 murders per year in SA. Not a direct correlation but close.

We can't get rid of guns because people need to defend themselves but there needs to be a gradual shift away from mass armament.

It is the same catch 22 governments face with nuclear disarmament. The rule is "no one should be capable of successful offence and everyone should be capable of successful defense".

If you put that one into practice grab yourself a Nobel prize.

Val of ek speel nie meer nie! Hehehehe

CJ 11/17/2009 2:50:25 PM
Most of those using firearms wrecklessly or for gain or senseless killing did not even have toys when they were younger so it is clearly not the cause of violence or violent behaviour. Gov need to start applying the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth rule.

Johan 11/17/2009 2:52:13 PM
Nothing wrong playing with toy guns, I did it my whole childhood. BUT, toyguns should look like toy guns and NOT like a real gun. There should be no confusion.

CRaig 11/17/2009 2:57:14 PM
Same old BS from GFSA. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE not guns. A gun is a harmless hunk of metal! How stupid are these people??

I LOVE guns! I have been shooting since I was 4!
More people are killed by cars, viruses, knives etc. Whats all the fuss?
Just because a bunch of ignorant fools dont like something, now we must curtail our rights!
Lets rather ban politicians....

Love, peace and freedom to you all!

Nico 11/17/2009 3:02:35 PM
The next thing will be to ban all knives because it can also be used as a violent tool. Guns are not violent, people are. GFSA and their supporters are suspect in the sense that they know nothing about guns. What was the weapon of choice during the genocide in Rwanda, I ask you? And one can just as easily kill someone with a yellow bic pen as with a spike/knife if you know how. Come to think of it, all pens should also be banned!

CL 11/17/2009 3:02:37 PM
Our own president sings a song about machine guns.... Get real please, bunch of idiots. Wish i had a gun yesterday when some thug tried to hijack me and my 5 year old and still threatened to shoot me.Why dont ask him to give up his real gun this christmas??? Idiots...

Anglo 11/17/2009 3:13:59 PM
This is just another excuse parents can hide behind for not teaching their children. Parents are not involved with their children upbringing and accuse everything else for their lact of involvement with their own children. Toy guns is not the problem, uninvolved parents are!!!

Anne 11/17/2009 3:25:29 PM
We decided never to buy toy guns for my son, but boys will be boys. He ate a Marie cookie one day, and created a gun out of the cookie. It is innocent fun, parents should teach their children about the danger of guns, but taking away toy guns won't solve the problem. At least now you won't have to wonder if you're looking at a real gun or a toy gun when you're hijacked.

cois 11/17/2009 3:30:00 PM
GFSA, get real, the only way to protect your self today, and why must or kids missed out on fun because of your narrow minded idiots.

Hemant 11/17/2009 3:38:49 PM
Gun Free South Africa has failed, because the plain and simple fact is that criminals are armed with automatics weapons and are not afraid of the police. The police themselves are spread too thin and cannot cope with crime, and in my opinion avoid responding promptly to violent crime because they themselves are afraid. Having said that, their are some policemen who are true heroes and do put the populace ahead of their lives, and they should be commended. Gun Free South Africa have taken the ability to protect your family out of your hands and made us helpless. I don't own a firearm and I don't think I will, but this is taking gun laws a bit too far. GFSA, get a life!

Ian 11/17/2009 3:51:17 PM
As a responsible REAL gun owner since the age of twenty, who played with toy guns throughout his youth, I have to ask the question why I haven't yet been driven to commit violent acts with this weapon? After all, I was exposed to more than my fair share of backyard stalking, toy gun in hand, and really enjoyed being a super hero who "killed" his friends and brother, day after day in the battlefield of our garden. In fact, on the occasion that I had to be the bad Indian who only had a rubber knife or bow and arrow tipped with suction caps to defend himself, the struggle to "survive" and kill before being overwhelmed by the "forces of good" was just as fierce. The toy weapon made no difference - it was the truimph of GOOD over EVIL that counted. When I was issued with an R1 rifle and live rounds during my two year military service how come I resisted the urge to kill and commit acts of violence since I had access to such a superlative weapon of massive destructive potential? Then when I got my own handgun for home and personal defence how come I have never had the urge to use it irrationally? Let me tell you why - it's because like most normal adults I have enough of an IQ to recognize right from wrong and all the Cowboy and Indian games, Cops and Robbers games, and whatever other games featuring a GOOD character and a BAD character, have taught me these things. I say to GFSA that toy guns aren't bad for children, in fact they are an important element in the learning games of life. If only criminals used more toy guns in the execution of their robberies as GFSA claims there would be far fewer funerals for innocent victims and law abiding citizens. Maybe GFSA have got it all wrong and we should flood the criminal market with toy guns so that nobody got hurt anymore. Maybe GFSA should convene a meeting with all criminals and ask them to hand in their real guns for TWO free toyguns ... maybe use scary masks and wear pink so that we could know goodies from baddies .....????

Wise Woman 11/17/2009 3:59:59 PM
You people are hilarious! You are the first ones to complain about crime, but when someone starts doing something about it, you are very quick to disagree. If you can't come up with better suggestions, then just shut the hell up!

Sean 11/17/2009 6:03:07 PM
Why does Pick 'n Pay bow to the requests of one organisation? Are GFSA a majority shareholder in Pick 'n Pay? Are they represented by any majority group? Hard to say, as they all they do is speak a lot of crock. Kids have been playing with toy guns for as long as toy guns have been around, and I would guess that if 1% of these "gun toting" kids became career criminals, that would be a lot...

Give this some thought Pick 'n Pay. You are angering your customers to support some lobbiest movement who can't even get their facts straight.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. That is fact!!

Clive 11/17/2009 6:33:48 PM
I feel nothing grabbing a toy gun away from any child I see in public and throwing it away. And if a child points it and "shoots" at me I'll defend myself in whatever way I deem applicable.

qvadis 11/17/2009 6:48:56 PM
" Die mans en vrouens vanGFSA is toegerus om prostotiete te wees..Is hulle? The Men and women of GFSA is equiped to be a prostitute and are they"? Not all legal gun owners is killers ect.when they are equiped with guns.

Bahrahsimo 11/17/2009 7:13:29 PM
Ok... Let us take a look at things that are sold a your local convenience store:
Which of the following items can kill a person?
1. Pool chemicals
2. Insect Propellant (including mothballs)
3. Thinners
4. That plastic bag.
5. A toy gun. (Not talking about pallet guns, but those clap guns)

There are more hazardous materials sold at you local store, than the couple mentioned above. A clap gun is innocent fun.

Why would an organization like GFSA target innocent children in their efforts to get a gun free SA? Children should not be used as a tool, by any organization. (Pro- or anti-gun) Kids should be kids. Let them play their games.

Is GFSA trying to take over the parents' resp0nsebility, of teaching their children right from wrong? A good parent would teach his/her child, not to drink the thinners, not to put that bag over their heads, etc. same with a toy gun.

GFSA, leave the kids out of your little war.

David 11/17/2009 7:58:51 PM
GFSA are complicit in murder when these kids grow up defenseless and are raped and/or murdered. Their blood is on your hands GFSA.

bob 11/17/2009 10:38:40 PM
Groups similar to the GFSA have turner the UK into a police state full of cameras with absolutely no regard to freedom and liberty. If you don't like guns (toy or otherwise) then simply don't buy them. Their preaching has absolutely no regard for what p[eople want, crime stats or any correlation between toys and behaviour. They are almost religious zelots.

Jacques 11/18/2009 7:53:13 AM
@ Wise Woman: is your nickname supposed to be ironic? We are busy pointing out here that toy guns have no correlation to crime, so yes, we can make fun of idiotic distractions like this from GFSA. We need to address the real cause of crime, criminals!

Paul 11/18/2009 8:52:56 AM
@ Clive

It seems you are a dangerous habitual criminal. You would use violence against an innocent child and steal their possessions. Hopefully a policeman will see you the next time you are on the rampage and arrest you. Some time in the 'corrections' system may do you and those around you a world of good.

Seek assistance, Clive, before your irrational, violent, gun-hating nature leads you to inflict harm on someone.

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