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Tripoli paper trail leads to SA

2011-09-06 22:45

Johannesburg - Documents discovered on a Tripoli street corner provide tantalising clues that South Africans may be in the thick of the civil war still raging in Libya.

The documents - written largely in Arabic - include an invoice from what appears to be a South African security company for "specialist training" in the country during the height of the conflict, another suggests that plans for a 136-strong South African-led "rapid intervention force" were drawn up and that arms shipments from Chinese companies, via South Africa, were contemplated.

The activities would all have violated a United Nations arms embargo imposed on the country in February this year.

Graeme Smith, a foreign correspondent for Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper found the papers "blowing in the wind" on a street corner in the wealthy Tripoli suburb of Bab Akkarah where many of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's ruling elite, and some of his sons lived. 

"The documents were sitting on the side of the curb where someone had abandoned them," Smith said from Tripoli. "It would seem they were dumped in a hurry."

He said former Gaddafi loyalists who form part of the country’s transitional authority identified military officials named in the documents and confirmed the authenticity of the green-eagle letterhead.

One of the documents, which Smith shared exclusively with Media24 Investigations, is an invoice from a company calling itself Alfa Security Services and bearing a Pretoria postal address.

There is no record of such a company being registered in South Africa and its possible that this is a false name.

Dated June 29 this year, the document sets out details of a 12-month contract by "six training team specialists" and two "support team specialists" at a cost of $5.4m.

Media24 has established that the PO Box listed on the document is the registered postal address of South Africa National Parks (SANParks) in Pretoria.

SANParks spokesperson Wanda Mkutshulwa described the document as “worrying”.

"This will require a full investigation, nobody should be sharing a PO Box with SANParks. SANParks is not linked to any such company and we are not aware of its existence, however, we will find out if there are any links to possibly an individual," she said.

Another document, in both Arabic and English, is a schematic for a "rapid intervention force" staffed by 73 South Africans and 63 Libyans under the group command of a South African.

It lists material teams would use including 127 AK-47 assault rifles, 12 PKM machine guns, a dozen RPG-7 rocket launchers, 12 sniper rifles, 60mm mortars, pistols and medical bags.

According to the document the teams would be assigned 35 Land Cruisers and two eight ton military trucks. A Libyan cameraman would accompany the group along with an interpreter.

Smith also found a six-page document in Arabic on the letterhead of the Libyan armed forces "Technical Affairs" division.

Dated July 31 this year, the memo provides details of secret talks conducted in China by Libyan military officials who visited weapons manufacturing companies in a bid to procure at least $200m in weapons, ammunition, rocket launchers, antitank missiles and portable surface-to-air missiles.

According to the memo, the Chinese companies suggested "they make the contracts with either Algeria or South Africa, because these countries previously worked with China".

"Export via a third party may take place... through Algeria or South Africa."

The companies agreed to continue "discussions, negotiations, and signing of contracts" in Algeria.

Signed by a retired Libyan colonel, Ahmed Mohammed Ubaidah, the memo recommends “that we seize this opportunity to get what we need in order to defend our country, revolution, and remove all the criminal gangs and rebels".

Serious questions

This week, China's foreign ministry admitted that the talks had taken place, but said they had been conducted without the knowledge of the Chinese government.

South Africa’s national conventional arms control committee (NCACC) says no transit permits were issued for arms shipments to Libya.

Documents discovered in Tripoli show that Chinese arms manufacturers considered routing large consignments of arms through South Africa to Muammar Gaddafi's embattled regime in Tripoli as Libya’s civil war raged.

The documents also point to the involvement of South African security contractors in the country and plans for a South African-led "rapid intervention force".

The Chinese foreign ministry has since claimed that no shipments took place.

NCACC spokesperson, Tlali Tlali said yesterday that no permits had been issued for arms shipments from China, via South Africa, to Libya.

In June, Justice Minister Jeff Radebe, the chairperson of the NCACC, said that ten conveyance permits were issued in 2010 and a further two between January and March this year.

But he said there was "no legislative requirement to report on conveyance permits" and  information about such permits was therefore not contained in the NCACC’s annual reports.

On Tuesday, Tlali disclosed that the two permits issued between January and March involved shipments originating in the UK and destined for Lesotho.

Tlali said a further five transit permits were issued after March this year for shipments destined for Botswana (two permits), Kenya, the Philippines and Taiwan.

He said the NCACC was not aware of the existence of a "rapid intervention force" or the involvement of a South African security company in Libya.

Democratic Alliance defence spokesperson David Maynier said on Tuesday that the documents found in Tripoli raise "very serious questions about the conventional arms control regime in South Africa".

"The political skeletons are bound to begin falling out of the cupboard after the fall of Muammar Gaddafi's regime in Libya," he said.

"It is a major concern that the Chinese offered to export conventional weapons to Gaddafi’s regime via South Africa."

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Comments
  • letsee - 2011-09-06 22:54

    It would not be the first time that South frica would be "supplying" mercenaires. But this would have been certainly a "private" business arrangement without government knowledge.

      Fred - 2011-09-06 23:44

      Oh, come on. This would have been done by Zuma, or with his knowledge. Gaddafi is one of his best buddies, and dictators stick together like glue.

      veld66 - 2011-09-07 00:06

      Former South African Defence forces members {Apartheid) are known to be favoured Dogs of war. I would not be suprised if they were the ones involved in this.......

      Spyker May - 2011-09-07 00:10

      Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned? The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind, The answer is blowin' in the wind. Bob Dylan PS: Every day we move closer to the coming of another Apartheid-style regime.

      za101 - 2011-09-07 00:26

      using apartheid trained military to keep Gadaffi in power. How ironic :)

      Felix - 2011-09-07 00:32

      Spyker! Bobby D - awesome :)

      marco - 2011-09-07 00:53

      The sordid history between South Africa's ANC and the Gaddafi brutal torture regime goes back a while.A more regular process for an irregular rendition you'd have to say.Still you'd have to question anything you find blowing in the steets especially on Tripoli's limited access sandpits they call freeways. Nelson Mandela had long played a key role in negotiations between Gaddafi's Libya,whom he had hailed as a key opponent of apartheid,and the West.At a Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Edinburgh,in October 1997,Mandela lobbied former UK PM Tony Blair over Libya .And what for one wonders?You see Mandela was pressing very hard for those accused of the 1988 Lockerbie bombing to be tried outside Scotland. Also in January 1999,Mandela,during a visit by Tony Blair to South Africa,very actively lobbied with Blair on behalf of Gaddafi over sanctions imposed on Libya and the Lockerbie suspects.Subsequently in April 1999,UN sanctions on Libya were suspended when Gaddafi handed over the two Lockerbie suspects,including Abdelbaset al-Megrahi,who we know now is dying of prostate cancer we are told.Al-Megrahi was then convicted.Libya also accepted "general responsibility" for the death of British Police Woman Yvonne Fletcher.Both these moves allowed the UK government to begin the long process of renewing ties with Libya and shake off its tag as the terrorist pariah state.

      marco - 2011-09-07 00:53

      Mandela then went to Tripoli in 1999 an gave Gaddafi the Good Hope Medal,South Africa's highest honor it bestows upon a foreign national.Still something very wrong with this picture though.And that is,the current ANC Elite,Mandela and Gaddafi,don't really see them sitting in the same room having drinks.I guess this holds true of all things in life: "The only thing new in this world is the history we don't know." The New Testament? No Harry Truman--33rd President of the United States(1945–1953). It's what you would call the space between a handshake for South Africa were these reports to be found true.

      John Wilderness - 2011-09-07 01:19

      @ZA101 - I would say that for keeping tyrants in power, they are very much up to the job.

      Netherlander - 2011-09-07 04:30

      How many LEGAL FLIGHTS did Zuma make to Lybia? Was his plane "CLEARED" of weapons BEFORE HE FLEW OUT OF SA? Who knows????? I for one will NOT put ANYTHING PAST THE ANC GOVT... after all, Gaddafi is a "BROTHER LEADER"(sic)

      Pierre - 2011-09-07 05:16

      Dictators stick together? I thought I saw a photo of Tony Blair and Gaddafi embracing; then some exchanges of prisoners to Libya to be tortured.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-07 06:08

      I agree letsee, sounds very much like a mercenary arrangement, nothing unusual about it. Looks like it never went through - so they could even have turned down the deal. Very much a discussion of a business deal I'd say. The Chinese are the ones who should be questioned - they said other nations should not get involved in Libya - but they are very involved in an underhand way. Interested in the oil perhaps? Hypocrits.

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-09-07 06:19

      The UN needs to remove South Africa from the security council. The ANC has pulled the wool over the rest of the world's eyes for many years to promote their criminal interests under the guise of a "liberation struggle". It's all been a farce from the outset.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-07 07:07

      @Spyker May Maybe. PS: The only real way to rule an African country is to have a dictator. Democracy is thwarted by tribalism. Why do you think we have laws to accommodate indigenous beliefs?

      Ozymandios - 2011-09-07 07:14

      The fact is the previously trained SADF were some of the best trianed soldiers, in the world, in their day. SA was then under the terrible Apardheid government the most powerful army on the African continent. If they were using the "old guard " for Libya in this day and age,(who must now be in their 50's and 60's now), but are still regarded as fine enough soldiers to hire, thenjust think what will happen when the likes of JM try to take those guys' land, farms and houses off them through nationalisation??????? I think thats something the failed carpenter and his 'brain dead followers' have not given any thought to.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:26

      "without government knowledge" but using a state PO Box. You really think so?

      cliffarc - 2011-09-07 07:41

      - Libya, China, Cuba, Zimbabwe - show me a country's friends and allies and you will see it's true colours.

      Nom-de-guerre - 2011-09-07 07:44

      SA neeeds to remove itself from the sham called the security council that has never provided any meaningfull security to nations that needed it.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-09-07 08:11

      Hmmm ... Letsee ... I think you are mistaken about that "private" statement. SANPARKS postal address?? Zuma supporting Ghadafi for many years? Think again. But then again ... even the US and UK have been proven to support foreigners with weapons only to have those same weapons used against their own forces. Iraq, Afganistan ... the list goes on. It's called "lining ones pockets" without thought of consequence.

      DEVILS SON - 2011-09-07 08:32

      pierre im sure reach arounds were exchanged shortly after, with zuma on the spit braai

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-07 08:38

      I dont get why everyone is up in arms over an alledged SA company been involved here. and now all of a sudden the ANC is wrong for having contact with libya. when all you have to do is google "blair visits gaddafi" and you will find out about the close ties the UK has with Libya. there are even rumours that Blair has been administering libyas $50billion oil fund. And its not such a big secret that he has been regularly visiting Gaddafi up untill last year. In Feb 2011 there were news reports that that in 2007 blair and Gaddafi signed a deal to co-operate on defence matters in a range of areas, including exchanging information about defence structures, technology and training of Gaddafi's special forces. And where ever the UK is America is not far behind. Last year Blair was paid about $2 million by JP Morgan to make sure their interests in Libya is looked after. i actually find it laughable that people are still surprised by this kind of thing happening. And to make like the ANC is some sort of monster for supporting Gaddafi is quite naive. US, UK, France and SA all know where their bread is buttered and they want the oil. n

      Meanleader - 2011-09-07 08:41

      @letsee ....Where do you live son ??? Definitely not in SA !!! This corrupt and illigitimate ANC government isinternationally known to be the most corrupt in the world , hence everybody comming to SA for backhand deals ! Zoomer is an arms criminal , and this type of deal was right up his tree !!! But with his buddy as chief justice ... he's not scared of getting prosecuted .....he'll just worm his way out like last time !!

      Henk - 2011-09-07 09:09

      South Africa is the gateway to the war jungles of Africa. Makes you wonder what went on in the DRC all along? Between Easy War and Diamonds the Big Brothers from the Invisible Iron Curtain, China and the West will always see this as a big playing field. Leaders of African Countries have always had targets on their backs and willing to sell their souls just to get out of the impoverished mess. One should actually look at the Norwegian Arms capabilities to see what JZ is up to again.

      Pupuzela - 2011-09-07 09:17

      I have a lot more respect now for SANPARKS' anti-poaching units.

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-07 09:22

      Terrorists supporting terrorists.......

      happycamper - 2011-09-07 09:29

      Nelson Mandela named his first born Gadaffi??

      Together - 2011-09-07 10:56

      Um Fred, have you not been here for a while? How have you not noticed that Zuma is being attacked by his youth league - the same league that idolises Mugabe? Mugabe is the latest African leader to sell his nation into slavery to China. It's the next wave of colonisation - you know, when strangers come in and pay off leaders so they can raid resources.

      Sunshine - 2011-09-07 11:06

      can we arrange to send Juliarse there ?

      York Hunt - 2011-09-07 11:23

      Herea re the links: Okay here's the story: http://thenewage.co.za/27726-22-53-SA_team_rescue_Gaddafis http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/africa-emerges/south-africa-sticks-gaddafi

      Fred - 2011-09-07 14:48

      @Together - I still live here, and I know about the disagreement between the youth league and Zuma, but I'm sure they will overcome that little blip soon, and Zuma is still big chommies with Mugabe and will support him till his dying day.

      G-spotWizard - 2011-09-07 15:09

      I think south africa should be added to the "Axis of evil". As if supporting mugabe was not enough, we landed money to the king of swaziland and now collude with our supreme master (china) to supply weapons to boost firepower in libya. This government is sick. Where was the DA to protest?

      Denise - 2011-09-07 19:31

      Gadaffi is in Algeria and a team of 35 SA mercenaries rescued him and his family after he asked the ANC for assistance. They were paid $15,000 each. There were talks that he might be heading to South Africa via Mali, since he transfered large amounts of gold and money to South Africa a few weeks ago. http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?id=26448§ion=1 The ANC and President Zuma pledged their undying support for Gadaffi http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/africa-emerges/south-africa-sticks-gaddafi Published by the ANC mouthpiece called “The New Age” newspaper. http://thenewage.co.za/27726-22-53-SA_team_rescue_Gaddafis This is sickening, seeing that in 1998 the ANC made a law prohibiting any South African to become a mercenary or work for any foreign military operation. Foreign Military Assistance Act of 1998 http://us-cdn.creamermedia.co.za/assets/articles/attachments/03377_reqofformilassact15.pdf If it can be proved that the South African government was involved with this rescue mission of Gadaffi, it could have huge repurcussions for them. Ghadaffi is wanted for terrorist acts and crimes against humanity. If the South African government assisted him, they are then accomplices and should go on trial with him. It is unconstitutional for them to assist any foreign government with military aid. Let us see what unfolds in the next few days.

  • Kyle - 2011-09-06 22:59

    Biff

      Darwinian - 2011-09-07 12:31

      broken hand and all....

  • Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:00

    Whoops!

      Felix - 2011-09-07 00:38

      Here ya go. ---- http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2009/12/29/mission-failed/

  • Teza - 2011-09-06 23:00

    Its funny how the countries that fiercely opposed NATO intervention are the ones being mentioned as supposedly supporting "the bad guys", by a bunch of papers found on the street.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:11

      Yeah good point. It could be "fake papers" left there to demonize those who oposed NATO intervention or it could be why those parties refused their support for NATO. Mmm ...

      john - 2011-09-06 23:15

      It's equally funny how those opposing the invasion attribute great credibility to papers that show that France was promised 35% of Libya's oil. But then immediately dismiss papers which suggest SA participation. I'd be inclined to either believe everything or dismiss everything. Believing only the stuff you want to hear, and dismissing anything you don't want to hear as an obvious fraud, isn't very objective.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:18

      Politics objective? What are you smoking?

      Felix - 2011-09-07 00:32

      Funny how people will believe stuff as long as it's on paper.

      slg - 2011-09-07 04:39

      It's unlikely to be the South African government, more likely a private "security firm" looking to strike it rich with Gadhafi and his billions.

      Netherlander - 2011-09-07 07:01

      Apparently SAFFA Soldiers (Mercenaries) assisted with the removal of Mrs Gaddafi and her little Gaddafi kids to Algeria... The fee of $20k was offered to each soldier of Furtune...thx to the SA govt...

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:28

      "fake papers"??? Come on! Pull the other one.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:29

      Netherlander. You have this on what authority?

      howard staunton - 2011-09-07 08:06

      OK, this must be the 10th comment along this line, implying offical SA govt involvement. Guys, think a bit please. The obvious scenario is that these are independent mercs (or wanna-be-merc) hoping for a piece of the action. The govt doesnt deal in mercs (actually outlaws them). What's with news24 readers anyway - have the collective IQ of Oscar Pretorius?

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-07 08:36

      I dont get why everyone is up in arms over an alledged SA company been involved here. and now all of a sudden the ANC is wrong for having contact with libya. when all you have to do is google "blair visits gaddafi" and you will find out about the close ties the UK has with Libya. there are even rumours that Blair has been administering libyas $50billion oil fund. And its not such a big secret that he has been regularly visiting Gaddafi up untill last year. In Feb 2011 there were news reports that that in 2007 blair and Gaddafi signed a deal to co-operate on defence matters in a range of areas, including exchanging information about defence structures, technology and training of Gaddafi's special forces. And where ever the UK is America is not far behind. Last year Blair was paid about $2 million by JP Morgan to make sure their interests in Libya is looked after. i actually find it laughable that people are still surprised by this kind of thing happening. And to make like the ANC is some sort of monster for supporting Gaddafi is quite naive. US, UK, France and SA all know where their bread is buttered and they want the oil.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-07 08:38

      - One question howard - Is the Anc pro or anti Gadaffi ?

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-07 08:42

      IMO Gaddafi stopped doing what the US and UK or even France wanted and thats why they supported the rebels and not Gaddafi.

      Meanleader - 2011-09-07 08:51

      @Howard ..After Zoomer went to Libya , and denounced Nato etc... you really believe he wasn't involved when he is world renouned for being the most corrupt criminal in power in the world ????? AND it's Oscar PIStorius you pleb !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Together - 2011-09-07 10:58

      Teza, it's not really so funny if you're following history and current events properly. Zuma is being attacked by his youth league - the same league that idolises Mugabe. Mugabe is the latest African leader to sell his nation into slavery to China. It's the next wave of colonisation - you know, when strangers come in and pay off leaders so they can raid resources. Worst part is that SA's unemployed are being used to march themselves into slavery because they believe every word that the league tells them.

      York Hunt - 2011-09-07 11:23

      Funny? Maybe. Obvious more likely. Okay here's the story: http://thenewage.co.za/27726-22-53-SA_team_rescue_Gaddafis http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/africa-emerges/south-africa-sticks-gaddafi

      DW - 2011-09-07 13:17

      As much as SA government involvement siding with Gadaffi and against the rebels would not surprise me, I question anything very conveniently found in "a bunch of papers found on the street". I am not convinced

      green_goblin - 2011-09-08 10:11

      @mags-24. Blair is the peace broker for the UN in the middle east and north Africa region, you muppet. His job is to meet with these guys to try and broker peace deals and to keep the middle east from exploding. he has been to meet high up guys in Palestine and all those areas so my bet is that you will get a picture of blair with all those hypocrytical, self god made leaders. Blair has nothing to do with UK politics anymore. Like Cameron (conservative) would have Blair (Labour) broker an oil deal for him.... Bwahahahahahaha

      greatgodpan - 2011-09-14 15:08

      if you wanna play in the dirty big boys games be prepared for dirty play..............this is normal international geopolitics practiced by ALL sides so thrown everything you believe about ethics,morality and human rights out the window if you wish to understand it................

  • CharVal@24.com - 2011-09-06 23:10

    Funny, when you need comment from GOVERNMENT they will let you know! So South African! What do you people want to know?

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:31

      Well firstly, why you ask such a stupid, argumentative question.

      howard staunton - 2011-09-07 08:08

      what the hell did you scribble down here. What are you trying to ask?

  • myancmyfutur - 2011-09-06 23:11

    Its interesting how far these mercenaries musquerading as security companies are still hiding in our country.

      Chloe - 2011-09-07 11:35

      exactly whose country is it Myancmyfutur? The earth and the fullness thereof belongs to G-d. Politicians know exactly that their lies soothe the poor, hence their never uttering any hints that too many babies equal even more poverty, when inside their power hungry minds that see the poor as voting fodder only. The poor will always be with us, so all you can do really as an individual on this earth is be good to the person (the individual) standing before you. It's never about entities and politicians. The devil would never have offered the "world" (unlike the earth) to Jesus in the wilderness if it wasn't his to give it away in the first place.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 20:21

      True -- also "freedom-fighters" are politicians...?

  • DyaniViljoen - 2011-09-06 23:16

    Another convoy has just been seen crossing Zimbambwe,enroute to Polokwane

      Felix - 2011-09-07 00:35

      Same one, JZ makes sure he gets his gold!

  • tommy 2 - 2011-09-06 23:16

    We never forget commrades that have helped us during the struggle.

      DerpyHooves - 2011-09-06 23:21

      Even if that person was Hitler?

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-06 23:24

      Gee Tommy 2, then why do you set fire to them when they come into SA? Xenophobia ring any bells?

      Louwhan H - 2011-09-06 23:44

      @PinkandProud - good observation. Indeed strange how selective their allies can be. I also think the Zimbos and Mozis did a lot more than colonel G.

      Verdade - 2011-09-07 00:15

      So why have you forgotten about Gaddafi, sure your sound knowledge and expertise might have saved the revolution?

      slg - 2011-09-07 04:41

      Your "struggle" is very different from the South African "struggle" against Apartheid. Yours is more similar to the Apartheid government's struggle to hold onto power.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:32

      Well that too is stupid. Comrades change their stripes, as we see daily in our fair country.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:33

      FOr once PInk makes a very valid point. Support the real comrades on the ground then, by not brutalising them when they flee their dictator one-time liberators that forgot what liberation means.

      oistar - 2011-09-07 08:29

      So why is Zille crucified by the ignorent masses?

      cliffarc - 2011-09-07 09:56

      - Then you should be supporting the people in Lybia against an oppressor and tyrant.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 20:22

      just,these days the are politicians raiding the public. Hey comrade?

      greatgodpan - 2011-09-14 15:12

      niether do your enemies.....

  • 1jinj - 2011-09-06 23:17

    ...I wont be surprised if Gaddaffi's in F'n Chatsworth!

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:20

      No he is enjoying a little ANYL with JuJu.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:22

      By the way has anyone noticed how incredibly gay all these dictators look? They all walk around dressed up like women and love to look at pictures and posters of themselves all over the place. So female!

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:28

      I think I now understand why Hollywood is always demonizing the hetrosexual male as the control freak who only thinks about himself and screws everything up. The truth is exactly the oposite. All those Roman emperors were all gay. Not to mention the whole Catholic church ... but gees I will leave that for another day ...

      1jinj - 2011-09-06 23:40

      ...i think Gaddafi asked (made) his plastic surgeon to make him look like a n Arab version of Michael Jackson....!

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:48

      Seriously? OMG.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:58

      They probably will find that plastic surgeon of his burried in pieces all over the place.

      V. Zela - 2011-09-07 07:54

      With a name like HETROHERO probably a closet Catholic

      Meanleader - 2011-09-07 08:58

      And with a face like that @v.zela , you are probably a closet anus !

      African'shtr - 2011-09-07 11:32

      Guys can we reason for once, do you think secret papers like that would be left flying around like that, those papers are printed by rebels because we don't support them and we will never recognise them

  • Zenzele - 2011-09-06 23:19

    This has nothing to do with our government, its purely a criminal act which needs to be investigated. There are so many bent individuals who can do anything for money.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:30

      I think everyone does anything for money these days.

      Felix - 2011-09-07 00:39

      Thanks Zenzele, I was worried for a second...

      Netherlander - 2011-09-07 04:33

      Sounds like a bunch of WHORES!

      slg - 2011-09-07 04:42

      I tend to agree. It's more likely a group of private individuals/breekers looking to strike it rich.

      tryanything - 2011-09-07 06:42

      Most criminal acts in our country are government sanctioned.......

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:35

      That is why diplomatic planes were in and out of the place, hey Zenzele. Just visiting. Fact finding. Yeah right.

      Phlegm - 2011-09-07 07:45

      Like the old saying - don't do crime, government hates competition!

      howard staunton - 2011-09-07 08:12

      Dear Zenzele. Dont be reasonable on this forum. People would rather believe SANParks is IN the business of being a labour broker for mercenaries, and that Malema is also somehow making money out of it. The truth is - probably some fat old unemployed ex-security guard in Pta West who used his wife's work's post-box to send a quote, hoping to make some money as a mercenary.

      Meanleader - 2011-09-07 09:02

      Yeah Zanele ...like the whole ANC cabal .... doing NOTHING for money .

  • granadilla - 2011-09-06 23:23

    This sounds like a dodgy source: "blowing in the wind". seems like this is for a tabloid. pity that opportunistic politicians go out looking to score cheap political points from the deaths of other human beings.

  • Truth24 - 2011-09-06 23:25

    Of course. Didn't the ANCYL already claim they initiated this?

      Bok Fan - 2011-09-06 23:36

      ancyl wouldnt make car wash duty in any outfit intending to win a throwdown

  • Bok Fan - 2011-09-06 23:34

    hmmmmnnnn Still the tuffest bastrids around for sale to the highest bidder.The hollywood bad guys strike again.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:36

      What's a bastrid?

  • Cliff - 2011-09-06 23:36

    Why would papers just be left conveniently blowing in the wind?

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-06 23:50

      Maybe they left in a hurry.

      Snys - 2011-09-07 08:22

      Zol!

      Stinkhout - 2011-09-07 14:55

      It’s called pavement-leaks

  • rasklot - 2011-09-06 23:37

    I mentioned on news 24 the rather bizare relationship SA may have had with Libya last week but my comment was removed.....seems it should have stayed on the site??!!

      turbodosis - 2011-09-07 00:14

      perhaps they borrowed your idea :-)

  • Louwhan H - 2011-09-06 23:49

    This seems like that microwave quick meal stories. I will even pretend that I know what is cooking in that part of the world but its not fish.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:36

      Smells fishy though.

  • JasunX - 2011-09-07 00:02

    This is a clear sign that the west now wants to interfere with South Africa. That's how they work - they worm their way into each country, implicating individuals, corporations and governments - cause civil unrest, civil war - and eventually the need for them to come in and create what they call "peace". They consume the natural resources of the country, and create a commercial and economical empire that could easily be compared to mass-slavery.

      B Rabbit - 2011-09-07 04:45

      Hahahahaha! Don't be dumb.

      tkotze - 2011-09-07 07:51

      Yes, Canada is known for its warmongering attitudes wanting to take over the world. In schools they teach the way of the Nazi and how they are an isolated country forced into economic depression by the West. And we know for a fact Canada is really controlling the Chinese government, and they don't have any oil reserves in their country, definitely not one of the largest reserves. Oh, and if somebody might actually have read this as "fact", take each sentence and research it... You might just find that every statement was the complete contradiction to truth :)

      howard staunton - 2011-09-07 08:15

      you completely made that up hey? Isnt there a law against 12-yr old flawed-conspiracy-theorists posting on forums?

      Meanleader - 2011-09-07 09:09

      Bullsh1t Jasun...Zoomer was the first one to visit Gadhafi ..... no one needs to intefere with SA when the ANC are as willing as whores to commit crime for a few dollars more . Greed takes on a new meaning when dealing with SA natives !

  • Verdade - 2011-09-07 00:10

    Shame on you ANC corrupt un-democratic, ill mannered, uneducated cadres!

      JasunX - 2011-09-07 00:21

      Excuse us, but which part of this article implicates the ANC in this? Are you so near-sighted that when anything goes wrong and South Africa's name comes up you first blame the ANC? Shall we blame the ANC for apartheid too holocaust? Shall we blame the ANC for YOUR STUPIDITY? The ANC do some questionable things, and have some questionable policies, a lot in fact - but how the f*** can you blame them for everything that either goes wrong, or is just plain speculation and hasn't even yet gone wrong? You Ignorant Little Infant.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-09-07 00:34

      yo

      Roger - 2011-09-07 02:00

      @JasunX, Err where to begin buddy, who were the most vocal proponents argueing for the rest of the world to leave lybia alone to continue their strong arm tactics at their own populace, why pray if the government has nothing to hide do they stall in imparting any information to the sales that have taken place-while the country was in a civil war? is the government not an ANC majority and hence an extention therof? though I do congratulate you on admitting that the ANC does a lot wrong, I don't believe there was any mention of the holocaust by Verdale. If you have difficulties reading and/or understanding the english language and its various nuances then please shut your trap lest you display YOUR ingnorance, you old fart.. or you could get a refund from your english teacher at school?

      slg - 2011-09-07 04:43

      I think you're jumping to a conclusion too soon.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:38

      Good sense certainly suggests it, Jasun.

      howard staunton - 2011-09-07 08:18

      @vedade: whats the ANC connection here? most likely zero as we are talking about independent mercenaries, and, oh never mind, the truth will confuse you.

      Meanleader - 2011-09-07 09:21

      Jason and Howie .... If you are so naive to believe that Zoomer was not involved , I really can't help you, But , would the libyan govt enter into a private deal with mercenari8es after Zoomer was these many times doing Private deals that no one has been told about yet . Zoomer has definitely something to hide ....connect the zots .

      Meanleader - 2011-09-07 09:22

      I mean "dots" .....

      King Msendi - 2011-09-07 14:24

      It was only the abandoned papers people. Lets wait for the conclusion, if there will ever be the conclusion…

  • turbodosis - 2011-09-07 00:11

    OK, seriously now... How easy is it to draw a little chart up on your pc and then scatter it around the pavements of tripoli, and perhaps in the post box of the local news office. Given it might not be so easy on an arabic keyboard, but it certainly doesn't take a genius to figure out that papers on the pavement is not exactly top secret documents, and has no more merit in the context of the war than the info in a chappie wrapper. I mean come on... what next? Someone is going to come up with a chappie wrapper about the history of hitler, and suddenly the germans are in the thick the war too? it seems the media is grasping at straws to sensationalize this rapid civil coup a bit, and perhaps stir a financial benefit out of it for the americans... so if they can't get gadaffi, they will squash his allies, and take all their diamonds and gold... sheesh, like we haven't been seeing this for the past 20 years in the middle east.

      john - 2011-09-07 00:41

      "I mean come on... what next?" I dunno? A letter from the NTC promising France 35% of Libya's oil? Anything is possible. Stay tuned for more revelations after this brief message from our sponsors.

      marco - 2011-09-07 01:14

      @John Just curious mate but what's the deal with you and this line "promising France 35% of Libya's oil" you seem to post those words quite a few times in your comments here on News24.Why are you so hung up on that sentence is all I wanna know?

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:39

      But why would anyone want to frame our little banana republic on the other end of the continent. Just think for a second.

      greatgodpan - 2011-09-14 15:24

      and on the other side of the coin how easy would it be to negotiate an arms deal with a desperate dictator?............

      greatgodpan - 2011-09-14 15:27

      you anti american spouters continualy miss the point.......all this bad stuff you blame the americans for are the rules of the game....and all the players,that be west east nort and south are playing the same game......forget what you consider ethical,just,moral etc....these things are not the rules of the game...........

  • marco - 2011-09-07 00:52

    The sordid history between South Africa's ANC and the Gaddafi brutal torture regime goes back a while.A more regular process for an irregular rendition you'd have to say.Still you'd have to question anything you find blowing in the steets especially on Tripoli's limited access sandpits they call freeways. Nelson Mandela had long played a key role in negotiations between Gaddafi's Libya,whom he had hailed as a key opponent of apartheid,and the West.At a Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Edinburgh,in October 1997,Mandela lobbied former UK PM Tony Blair over Libya .And what for one wonders?You see Mandela was pressing very hard for those accused of the 1988 Lockerbie bombing to be tried outside Scotland. Also in January 1999,Mandela,during a visit by Tony Blair to South Africa,very actively lobbied with Blair on behalf of Gaddafi over sanctions imposed on Libya and the Lockerbie suspects.Subsequently in April 1999,UN sanctions on Libya were suspended when Gaddafi handed over the two Lockerbie suspects,including Abdelbaset al-Megrahi,who we know now is dying of prostate cancer we are told.Al-Megrahi was then convicted.Libya also accepted "general responsibility" for the death of British Police Woman Yvonne Fletcher.Both these moves allowed the UK government to begin the long process of renewing ties with Libya and shake off its tag as the terrorist pariah state.

      daaivark - 2011-09-07 07:39

      As you said earlier.

  • marco - 2011-09-07 00:53

    Mandela then went to Tripoli in 1999 an gave Gaddafi the Good Hope Medal,South Africa's highest honor it bestows upon a foreign national.Still something very wrong with this picture though.And that is,the current ANC Elite,Mandela and Gaddafi,don't really see them sitting in the same room having drinks.I guess this holds true of all things in life: "The only thing new in this world is the history we don't know." The New Testament? No Harry Truman--33rd President of the United States(1945–1953). It's what you would call the space between a handshake for South Africa were these reports to be found true.

  • Francois - 2011-09-07 01:08

    Funny how Tlali Tlali is found in all the situations which stinks. Firstly Zuma's let-off and now this.

  • joe777xxx@24.com - 2011-09-07 01:25

    Wikileaks you are fast asleep! Money is evil.The biggest money spinner in the world is politics.Power is a huge insentive as well. Remove money from the equasion and they are a large zero, the inferiority complex (malema) emerge.The showerheads et all in africa that gadhaffi bought is now exposed but to stupid/thick to acknowledge he is no more.I honestly wish I could spend one day in the head of one of these arrogants to try and see what makes it tick.Cannot for the life of me see how it works.The word "realism" is nonexistant.God help us.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-07 01:36

    We need openness. It should not be necessary that we hear the truth through some fortuitous discovery of partially damaged documents found in a gutter. WE ARE THE PEOPLE!

      voltaire - 2011-09-07 08:41

      Best comment ever!

      greatgodpan - 2011-09-14 15:32

      pipe dream...you will never be told the truth ...ever ...not by any side

  • Sue - 2011-09-07 02:24

    My brother works in CT at the waterfront complex and he says that Gaddaffi's son is always there "Holidaying". He has been continiously coming there for a very long time and causing absolute havoc when he is there. So, the bottom line is that SA has been a haven to Gaddaffi and his sons for quite a while now and so Zimbabwe.

  • Willie - 2011-09-07 02:51

    And the plot thickens!

  • tiotudg - 2011-09-07 05:45

    SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!SIES!

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-09-07 06:14

    The world needs to realise that South Africa under the ANC is a rogue regime that sides and protects criminals and dictators. The West needs to understand that the ANC has unethical leaders that play the game in order to appear to be doing everything above board but at the same time promote their criminal interests.

  • mollie.kruger - 2011-09-07 06:25

    Luckily no Land Rovers involved - LOL

  • Afrikanerbul - 2011-09-07 06:41

    My goodness! So these papers were found blowing in the street! And who just so happens to pick it up? A journalist! I wonder whether Alice in Wonderland or the Tooth Fairy helped him. This smells like CIA. Moenie my vertel perde drolle is vye nie. These were purposely leaked to the press by the CIA. Next question: Why? Now, that can be an interesting subject...

      umlaut - 2011-09-07 07:27

      Yes the CIA wanted the USA government's approval to get more involved in SA and to investigate the anc. These papers will surf that purpose if it is true or not. The anc is now under official CIA investigation and about time too.

      call a spade - 2011-09-07 07:34

      doodreg ou bul.

      York Hunt - 2011-09-07 11:24

      Well read this and then comment: Okay here's the story: http://thenewage.co.za/27726-22-53-SA_team_rescue_Gaddafis http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/africa-emerges/south-africa-sticks-gaddafi

      greatgodpan - 2011-09-14 15:34

      @umlaut....and why have us aircraft carriers been in our water on more than one occasion recently?....

      sibusiso.kaxonti1 - 2011-12-12 09:33

      You are Spot on, what a coincident, the US is taking rest of the world as fools.

  • flummoxed - 2011-09-07 06:47

    Where there's kissy, kissy, huggy, huggy going on between 'heads of state' you've just got to know that the're in cahoots somehow.

  • hawksnr - 2011-09-07 06:49

    There you have it, that is the reason why Zuma is so involved with Gaddafi!!!

  • thabatao - 2011-09-07 06:50

    The ANC thinks Ghadaffi is a god. They will do everything to keep him in power

      Tc - 2011-09-07 07:01

      Same applies to the ANC and Mugabe.

  • coswecanfly - 2011-09-07 06:57

    Wonder how long JZ will have to "read" this one and "follow procedure" before commenting? I think his idea of "following procedure" is looking up the words in the dictionary. Seriously, how long can it take to read something and make up your mind.

      allie - 2011-09-07 08:00

      How do you make up a mind if there is no mind to make up?

      howard staunton - 2011-09-07 08:21

      what is there to comment on you moron? an article on news24 about pieces of paper blowing in the wind, which may/may not allude to mercenaries (which would be independent and not govt-sancioned). I am so tired of idiots on this forum.

  • Tc - 2011-09-07 07:00

    We have always known of the close relationship between the ANC and Gadaffi. Remember the unchallenged rumour that Gadaffi financed previous ANC election campaignes? The same goes for the ANC and Mugabe.

  • BraBob - 2011-09-07 07:00

    How convenient. All these sensitive papers, just "blowing in the wind"...

  • markings - 2011-09-07 07:07

    "Tlali said a further five transit permits were issued after March this year for shipments destined for Botswana (two permits), Kenya, the Philippines and Taiwan." Transit permits for Botswana (and Lesotho mentioned earlier) make sense. Kenya, Philippines and Taiwan make absolutely no sense as they all have access to the open sea. Why would anyone transit a shipment through SA if there is no need for it, other than obsfuscating and manipulating the destination.

      morena - 2011-09-07 09:13

      you have not idea what you talking about, open seas does not mean you have a harbour let alone and big enough harbour

  • Nzx - 2011-09-07 07:16

    South Africas new submarine was seen flying over Tripoly just hours ago...apparantly with an Afrikaans pilot behind the wheel.

      phunkylizzy - 2011-09-07 14:06

      we all live in a yellow submarine, yellow submarine, yellow submarine. :*)

  • John - 2011-09-07 07:29

    Amazing what people do with the lure of big money. Greed !!! they know well that their involvement will cause the deaths of many people, and will support a corrupt regime, but all they think about is the bucks

  • jen - 2011-09-07 07:29

    I'd say the government has always been pro-ghadaffi and so have most African leaders - 'rumours' are that he had them all in his pocket. All this anti-talk has been a smoke screen.

      morena - 2011-09-07 09:15

      so was the no fly zone, it too was a smoke screen, as they started bombing libya whereas they were supposed to be there to enforce no fly zone

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-07 07:30

    Nothing would surprise me any more where our government is involved. 9 times out of 10, where there's smoke ...

  • DFSS - 2011-09-07 07:34

    As they say , you be known by your friends, as I recall International Icon Mandela and Gaddafi are friends

  • Malcop - 2011-09-07 07:41

    Good, Anything to opposse the Americans and British. The Americans considered supplying the rebels with arms. They most likely did. They choose sides. Why cant South Africa. I bet that whoever takes control of Libya, is no better than Gaddaffi. The Libyan people will end up worse off than under the Gaddaffi regime.The Americans started this civil war. Not the Libyan people themselves.

      Nom-de-guerre - 2011-09-07 07:51

      Well said Malcop.

      howard staunton - 2011-09-07 08:25

      you talking merde. The French supplied weapons. Not the US. The US didnt want anything to do with Libya, and was pressured into it by NATO via a UN resolution. They then withdrew after a week, and it bacame a NATO-led operation backed by the Arab League, and why the hell am I talking facts to you when you probably cant even read...

  • Nom-de-guerre - 2011-09-07 07:41

    Africans need to learn how to fight the good fight, even for causes that might, at the moment, seem hopeless, and especially for the most direly consequential cause of all: keeping our continent free from western hegemony. There's more at stake than just South Africa.

      greatgodpan - 2011-09-14 15:37

      and eastern hegemony......

  • waratawu - 2011-09-07 07:50

    So many old boeremag mercenaries still operating in SA, heard they are also suplying their mecenarie services in other roque states

  • braamc - 2011-09-07 07:57

    We host them all, terrorists, murderers etc

  • Susan - 2011-09-07 08:01

    This is why Zuma and his gov wants China so badly as investor in SA and why the gov refuse to stand with the rest of the EU against Libya... the have been supplying them with weapons and support to prevent Gadaffi's fall so all their secrets be safe. This country is busy with very serious deals that are against the United Nations arms embargo imposed on the country in February this year. Just take note who is the chairperson of the NCACC. Glad that reporter found those papers to expose the corrupt gov of SA :-)

      Sibusiso S Kuzwayo - 2011-09-08 22:31

      silly silly comment. nowhere does it say ANC or government anything in this story, that there are no names and addresses ae faked should tell u who u r dealing with. MERCENARIES. COVERT OPERATIVES. hay, never mind, why bother.

  • Boikanyo Alefeng - 2011-09-07 08:03

    well well well...

  • Angelo - 2011-09-07 08:07

    LOL funny how convinient Malema was shooting down on the United states trying to have an Army base in southern Africa just like they did with Asia....Middle East and the rest of the world..... I know belive that Lil Moron Malema was trying to tell us something .....How convinient can you just pick up A listed convidential Military strategy on street ...Really Now Reallly come on....SA Intelligency is not that stupid so are the ARABS ....dont fool yourself..

  • VELOCITY - 2011-09-07 08:17

    The racist ANC regime showing their TRUE colours by still siding with the scum and villany of the world. Bunch of communistic terrorists.