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Tshwane street name changes continue

2012-09-04 14:40

Johannesburg - The street renaming process in Tshwane is continuing, but needs consent from the families of those whose names have been approved, the city said in a statement on Tuesday.

The council resolved that the following names be approved for streets: Abraham Makolane, Elliot Sathekge, Jeremiah Magagula, Jeremiah Zondi Ntuli, Morris Kabini, Rooibaard Geldenhuys, Samuel Masilela, Sipho Phillip Sibanyoni, Stephen Makena, Thomas Phiri, Prof MW Makgoba and Dr TT Mboweni.

The city called on their families to contact the Toponymy Offices (toponymy is the study of place names) to collect and complete the consent forms, so that it could continue with the process.

The renaming project was aimed at correcting historical injustices, and was seen as a nation-building exercise to bring about social cohesion.

Comments
  • alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-09-04 14:58

    Since we've completely eradicated all those other little problems like crime, poverty, housing and basic services it's good to see more of our tax money going to good use.

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-09-04 15:23

      Don't forget about the promptly delivered textbooks in Zimpopo :D

      lodewyk.fred - 2012-09-04 15:26

      Katleho ..and our achievements? Should our heritage just be swept under the carpet?

      cyanideandhappiness - 2012-09-04 15:28

      @katleho.mdlalose Do you even know who any of these people are? They could've asked the public first who we would like on our streets, I dont recall hearing anything about that! Honour these people with new streets built in the new South Africa, not by defacing and erasing old history, a lot of which has nothing to do with apartheid... I'll tell you why, because the current government doesn't know how to build new things, just crappy houses and toll highways... If I was part of the "struggle", I'd be pretty upset to have my name honoured by the idiots and criminals who run the current government. All makes me so sad...

      Shaun - 2012-09-04 15:29

      @Katleho Please do list the acheivements

      james.m.wood.773 - 2012-09-04 15:29

      @katleho, and what about the people for whom the street was named, they obviously have nothing to do with where the country is, or was pre '94. you assume then that there was no development pre 94 and anything that they did desrves no ecognition either. all the old statues being taken down, how do you think the afrikaner feels about having his heritage destroyed, this is the way forward? sorry, you're white and afrikaans, just can't have that now can we.

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-04 15:32

      @lodewyk, ofcourse not. I urge you to pertition government to recognise heritage of all South Africans. Its our country, all of us. As long as one person's heritage is not a result of oppressing another. Long live Mzansi Africa and all its people.

      junebugg.kinte - 2012-09-04 15:40

      I am liking those new street names, at least I can pronounce and spell them now.... :)they should change that Hendrik verwoed street in Centurion..

      BongiMags - 2012-09-04 16:00

      @Katleho here's a suggestion for your ANC how about letting the people that vote them into power decide whether or not the achievements you speak of are worth any mention? Reality is changing street names really has no bearing on any of the promises that are yet to be delivered, the ANC hasnt done enough yet for them to demand being glorified! For as long as there are children who live on the streets whose name they want to change, they will always be letting somebody down. For as long as there is a fair greater and more noble cause that can be fulfilled by the billions of rands being spent right now changing names they will forever have failed the many votes they have received from me and millions of other South Africans.

      tinotenda.panashe - 2012-09-04 16:00

      Sometimes News24 shows clear bias; where is Katleho's comment which people are replying to. should we all support one mind set? We are seeing through you News24!

      lodewyk.fred - 2012-09-04 16:00

      @katleho Where did Kerkstraat ever opress, we can even go as far and ask where did Pretorius, Schoeman or Vermeulen oppress. Jacob Mare wrote a song, where did he oppress? Except screwing coloured women, what did Paul Kruger ever do to be associated with oppression?

      mo.matt.14 - 2012-09-04 16:16

      Yes, lets waste even MORE taxpayers money by renaming streets rather than delivering services and uplifting our people. Because I would rather be poor with no job, and no public service but at least living in Bopape street, than actually getting a job, and public service living in Kerk street. PRIORITIES GUYS!

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-04 16:42

      News24, i thought you were impartial. I am shocked that my comment was removed. If you are afraid of hearing th truth, then you shouldnt b publishing stories like this. At no point in my comment did i make reference to politics, pre/post 94 yet responses are horrifying. Can everyone just stop being angry. Everyone is just angry, black, white (and the ignored coloureds, indians and asians). I read comments made by readers on stories. Very few times to i ever read of a positive comment, yes the country has problems, yes we could be doing more, but that doesnt mean we should recognise what we have achieved so far. As to changing of street names, its a reality, anything that is a reminder of Apartheid era, directly or indirectly, will be done away with. You can't blame the disadvantaged for doing that. The reality is, the effects of it still exist, and we see it EVERYWHERE, everyday.

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-04 16:44

      this country isnt a maths equation that needs to be solved, it is people that need to be understood. that's all.

      junebugg.kinte - 2012-09-04 17:01

      Katleho, News24 admins are bias ....If you say anything that makes sense against the "Anti-Black" commentators, your comments will be removed ..Thats what they do...You must make comments on an Article then go back to it 2 days later, you will not find your comments..

      alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-09-04 17:49

      If you build it then you can name it. If you didn't then you have no right.

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-09-05 00:35

      I nearly got lost in Pretoria today, having to route myself through town and out north down the M4, in order to avoid the N1 accidents that had closed the road. Thank goodness old signs are still there for now. This political mayor of ours only knows how to spend our money. He actually hates us anyway - mutual as far as I am concerned. The sooner he gets kicked out the better.

      foodfor.thought.73 - 2012-09-05 05:30

      More money is spent on changing street names, than maintaining the actual road... Sure the people after which the roads are named will feel proud about the image which is created of them..."

      Robin - 2012-09-05 07:07

      And the real issues our city face? Your priorities are screwed ANC.

  • stevie0064 - 2012-09-04 15:04

    Cosmetic transformation is all they can muster, while trying to masquerade it as true transformation. Pathetic. I studied history at varsity and many of these names I've never heard of. Hopefully the time for glorifying themselves will soon be at an end considering the voting trends of the last municipal elections.

      hartmut.gneiting - 2012-09-04 15:14

      twenty to twenty-five years or so??

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-09-04 18:24

      If you bother prioritizing your Home's History then you should know or find out how these individuals influenced History to ensure the Democratic society currently realized.

      lsfreak - 2012-09-04 21:01

      I asked my domestic worker 2day who these ppl were... Even she didn't know or have heard of them. Hmmm so if a member of the ANC womans league for the past 30 yrs doesn't know, then what hope is there for us whities ;)

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2012-09-04 15:12

    And the ANC continues to pretend to be useful by doing absolutely useless things that are a total waste of money and time. Bravo ANC, you guys deserve the fall that is coming to you!

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-09-04 18:27

      """absolutely useless things that are a total waste of money and time""" Here is a typical Detractor mindset however the fact is these changes are required by this Democracy. We are moving on from this pathetic period of our History.

      tw2066 - 2012-09-04 22:50

      absolutely useless things that are a total waste of money and time. This bull sh..t is going to help feed the hungry - not. Help crime - not. Stop the killing - not. It may appease some small minded folk hell bent on showing the white man whose baas, but adds no other value really.

  • stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-09-04 15:15

    Yeah.. spend all those millions on street names and watch your children of your own country DIE ON THE STREETS!!! Our problem is priorities... our government dont know anything!!

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-04 16:35

      You are missing the point, Stefan. The kids will now die on RENAMED streets, which makes it ALL OK! (Before you thumbs down me, I'm being very, very sarcastic...)

  • tgif.wtfaw - 2012-09-04 15:17

    What a complete waste of tax payers money . Brilliant you are ANC you bunch of geniuses you are really making a difference in society!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • richard.zanner - 2012-09-04 15:24

    Reminds me of when I was at school. Just pretend to be busy doing something productive to keep the teachers off my back.

  • BongiMags - 2012-09-04 15:24

    Of course me being the man living under the streetlight of the now WF NKOMO/HELEN JOSEPH (former Church st) support this name-change business 100% and I'll be sure to get my cousins and aunties who live in other parts of the city bins to join hands with me in supporting you in the next elections! Had I known pre1994 that all i really needed to liberate the hunger in my empty stomach was a street named after one of my own I would have done the change myself and saved Nelson 27years of his life on that island. But then again what do i know? I dont have an education because my school books were never delivered, but i dont stress because one day I'll join the ANC and own a house in Sandton on a street named after a struggle hero!

  • psalm.proverb.3 - 2012-09-04 15:27

    On some level, this is a spiteful exercise. The ANC is, in fact, not only renaming politically charged names, but also renaming completely unoffensive streets like "Church Street". What is politically offensive about the name "Church"? Renaming streets will not change the fact that the ANC has proven totally incapable of building anything of lasting value to South Africa. The Chinese government, with its horrible human rights record, is at least erects WHOLE TOWNS and cities FROM SCRATCH, to cater for the Chinese masses. The ANC, it seems, can only rename what the Apartheid regime planned and ensured was constructed. What they build collapses. What they are obliged to maintain, they run into the ground - look at our state hospitals. Here's my suggestion to the ANC, how about leaving the renaming and actually BUILDING new streets, hospitals, schools, railway stations, universities, government-owned factories if you want (to employ the masses) and you can name them after ANC heros?

      cyanideandhappiness - 2012-09-04 15:35

      Exactly!

  • gjfnicholson - 2012-09-04 15:35

    A GPS won't even find those streets!

  • Neal Sing - 2012-09-04 15:38

    Eeeeiiiisssshhh even my Garmin gets lost now.

  • guy.snelling.3 - 2012-09-04 15:39

    "..correcting historical injustices..." So why was Church Street renamed?

      Willie - 2012-09-04 15:58

      Good point

  • Neal Sing - 2012-09-04 15:41

    Bring in Julius. He has the balls to sort the ANC out

  • francois.viljoen.731 - 2012-09-04 15:43

    Who was/is Rooibaard Geldenhuys he sound like an interesting character?

      lodewyk.fred - 2012-09-04 16:04

      Wasn't he he the guy who fired the first shot in Soweto on 16 June 1976 with the youth uprising?

      lodewyk.fred - 2012-09-04 16:05

      No sorry, it was Theunis 'Rooi Rus' Swanepoel.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-04 16:36

      He was Bloujob Malema's first tenderpreneur partner.

  • hendrik.andries.5 - 2012-09-04 15:44

    We must change the names to "Full of crime", "To much crime", "To many potholes", "Hijacking street", the street were all the ministers stay to "Gravytrain street". Zumaville street names "Wife 1 street", "Wife 2 street" etc. I am to scared to post this, they might make me the president.

  • Neal Sing - 2012-09-04 15:47

    Julius Malema you must misallign yourself from the ANC and form your own party at the next election.I think you will give them a run for their stolen millions

  • koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-04 15:52

    I work where 99% are black. I asked around with some of the names. No one knows these people.

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-04 17:05

      People will know them when they see the names,

  • alex.nkosi.39 - 2012-09-04 15:52

    Renaming these streets will never make any sense, so its better to spend those millions rands into service delivery programmes, and eradicating corruption elites in the offices.

  • crystal.core.5 - 2012-09-04 15:53

    Bored, things like education are not priorities and you don't know what to do with your tax money collected from a few hardworking South Africans? Want to name a street after a fellow ANC crony? Then build one and you can call it whatever you want! Bored, things like education are not priorities and you don't know what to do with your tax money collected from a few hardworking South Africans? Want to name a airport after a fellow ANC crony? Then build one and you can call it whatever you want! I like what Nelson Mandela said on the matter "Don't name any streets after me, don't name streets or squares after ANY politicians. Politicians change and the new ones will then want to rename those streets to honor themselves. Rather spend the money building a new street."

  • makgale.makgalemele - 2012-09-04 15:59

    Katlego,why not construct new infrastructure and recognise those struggle 'heros'. Katlego, drive to Midrand and check these new places where our heroes stay, you will find none of those heroes named for the streets. Aaag man Katlego, let us accept it our fellow black leaders can't do anything except stealing or messing what boPretorius, boVan der Walt, boBen Schoeman had done.

      tinotenda.panashe - 2012-09-04 16:48

      How much did you master promise you makgale? Look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself who you are talking for? Those people will never embrace you; NEVER

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-09-04 17:30

      Makgale, pls dnt let ppl who dnt understand make u believ our leaders are stupid, illiterate, corrupt etc etc. U wil neva hear a positiv comment from haters, its a fact. If we buld 99 houses and forget 1, they wil always remind u of the 1, neva recognising the 99. We hav prblms, i admit and more needs to b done. But we r not a failed state, we r a growing and learning state. U need to also acknowledge the demographics of ppl who read and comment here, the general comments wil swing one way, dnt let that affect u.

      Roulon du Toit - 2012-09-04 20:31

      Makgale, I would caution you against listening to illiterate folk like Katleho. Mix yourself with the rubbish and the garbage collectors will remove you. Katleho, why do you write like that? Surely you don't need to abbreviate every word. This is not a SMS that's going to cost you a few cents.

      Joe - 2012-12-06 11:10

      White people here are bitter. They should realise that they are a minority and minorities (when they are a race) will not survive for long periods in an area. They have to move/shift for the majority. Better buy that Quantas ticket!

  • ashne.segal - 2012-09-04 16:05

    What a total waste of money (taxpayers money! A total disgrace!

  • wackidmaledu - 2012-09-04 16:11

    despite the good use of the money to street naming i stil think its ridiculous to have used so much money in the changing of street names in Pretoria, instead the money cud hve been used to enhance our shools nd help those in need get RDP Houses and stuff!! "how do you expect us to learn about all those names on our street poles if i dnt have any text books?? **jst saying**

  • crystal.core.5 - 2012-09-04 16:22

    Since the city has someone begging on every street corner, and they clearly have a lot of tax payers money to waste on frivolous things... do you think they might name a few streets after white people of South Africa to correct current injustices perpetrated by our current government? These include racist policies of job reservation or transformation, BEE, land reformation and perhaps the greatest oxymoron of them all 'equality'

  • caspertg - 2012-09-04 16:26

    Try getting a petition for a speed bump,traffic circle,traffic lights or stop signs and they say there isn't money in the budget for it at the moment. Kids are dying due to reckless drivers yet there seems to be money for name changes. Our pathetic government is looking a lot like the king of Swaziland

  • tshepo.mogamisi - 2012-09-04 16:37

    Some apartheid oppressors names must stay. This is how we forgot where we come from.

  • percy.vanzyl.1 - 2012-09-04 16:40

    Nationbuilding my @ss!! They can't build new streets so they rename existing streets to boost their own egos.

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-09-04 16:52

    It is rediculous to say the gov must build new streets and new structures just to name them those Strugle Heroes. As much as i dont like name changing but building new cities just for the sake of name would waste a lot of tax payers money

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-04 16:57

      Eish. Not too klevah this one.

      john.halfpenny.395 - 2012-09-04 17:33

      Hahaha. I'm thinking the "Blonde" in "Blonde Jokes" needs to be changed in South Africa

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-09-04 16:52

    It is rediculous to say the gov must build new streets and new structures just to name them those Strugle Heroes. As much as i dont like name changing but building new cities just for the sake of name would waste a lot of tax payers money

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-09-04 16:52

    It is rediculous to say the gov must build new streets and new structures just to name them those Strugle Heroes. As much as i dont like name changing but building new cities just for the sake of name would waste a lot of tax payers money

  • bernard.ingram - 2012-09-04 17:07

    Soon SA will have to change it's name to iF*k*ppi, thanks to cANCer.

  • zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-09-04 18:22

    Go on you City of Tshwane............Transformation in all forms thanks.

  • mya.schultz.16 - 2012-09-04 19:33

    The deceased include nine of the Mamelodi 10; Jeremiah Ntuli, Morris Nkabinde, Jeremiah Magagula, Steven Makena, Rooibaard Geldenhuys, Samuel Masilela, Thomas Phiri, Elliot Sathege and Phillip Sibanyoni. They were abducted and killed on 26 June 1986 in a planned joint operation by the Northern Transvaal Security Police and the South African Defence Force's Special Forces. The victims were persuaded by Joe Mamasela posing as an uMkonto we Sizwe (MK) operative to leave the country for military training. However, they were taken to an area near Nietverdient where they were injected with chemicals to make them sleep and then placed in a taxi, which was set alight. They were later buried as paupers at the Winterveld cemetery.

      mya.schultz.16 - 2012-09-04 19:34

      contd.. MK operative Duncan Molehe, of the Nietverdient four, was shot dead by members of the Western Transvaal Security Police on 26 June 1986 near Nietverdiend, shortly after the group had crossed into South Africa from Botswana. The victims were driven in a vehicle whose driver was allegedly a Security Police informer who stopped the vehicle at a pre-arranged site. They all suffered multiple bullet wounds. The driver escaped and the four deceased were also buried as paupers in an unmarked area of an old cemetery in the village of Hartbeesfontein, now called Lethabong. Archaeological excavations by the MPTT located the remains and DNA tests are underway. The two MK operatives - the Mmabatho two, Petrus Ramodiehe Waisi and David Takalani Nembaye were killed on 3 January 1986 after their presence in Mmabatho was detected by the Bophuthatswana Security Police. The two deceased were buried in separate coffins but in a single grave on top of each other in Mmabatho cemetery. Their bodies were exhumed on 2 October 2007. The Azanian National Liberation Army cadres from Zeerust two, Petrus Phaswane Masango and Petrus Mkobi were shot dead on 14 September 1981 after entering South Africa from Botswana. Their remains were traced to Ikageleng cemetery in Zeerust and exhumed on 3 October 2007

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-04 19:35

    You have to change the names. I fully agree with the ANC on this. Pretoria Must become tswane. We never had derilect buildings in Pretoria. The name must reflect what it is.

  • les.bloomberg - 2012-09-04 19:54

    Who is paying for this Tswane mislikpaliteit is bankrupt?

  • brian.ocinneide.7 - 2012-09-04 20:22

    The report does not say which names are to be changed.

  • giancarlo.groenewald - 2012-09-04 21:34

    Now I will totally lost in my mother city, if I don't get a Garmin I am F.

  • james.looch - 2012-09-07 14:30

    In a speech broadcast by the SABC, the ASSagai of the Nation said we must remember history and honour our heros. The African National Circus was only founded 100 years ago, but the cities, towns, streets, etc predate that by more than 100 years. These were named for the hero's of those who built them. According to the ASSagai, that is not "history". Maybe that is too long ago to qualify as "history". What an excuse to try to wipe out the memory of the whites, especially the Afrikaner. One suggestion was to honour the "struggle hero's" with new structures, but the current regime cannot build new structures without the help of "the old order", so they confiscate what has already been built.

  • fred.blogs.374 - 2012-10-08 10:43

    Sh 1 t and i just got my sat nav updated.

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