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Tuks sorry over Nazi-related blog

2011-08-02 07:28

Johannesburg - The University of Pretoria apologised on Monday for a blog by its student radio station TuksFM that suggested people should pose like Nazis to create a new social media craze.

"There was never any malicious intent with the placing of the initial content on the blog," spokesperson Nicolize Mulder said in a statement.

"We find it regrettable that the photographic pose that was proposed is one that offends many people and is not aligned with the university's institutional values."

A recent blog entry on the page of the morning show, Bang-Bang Breakfast, showed a photo of Adolf Hitler, along with a photo of two people standing with their right arm in the Hitler salute and their left hand fingers on their upper lips, to mimic his moustache.

Mulder said the entry was posted in the context of individuals being photographed in all sorts of bizarre poses, imitating the social media crazes of "planking" and "owling".

Planking is when an individual lies down in an unusual or incongruous position, to have their photo taken and put up on the internet.

Owling is a similar activity except the person crouches in a perched position and looks off into the distance, to imitate an owl.

The blog entry was later removed when people complained. Among the complainants was the SA Jewish Board of Deputies.

"The apology is extended to all other individuals who are directly affected or offended by this unfortunate incident and the thoughtless conduct of the students involved," Mulder said.

Comments
  • Sabsi - 2011-08-02 07:39

    Hitler was 1 of the most horrible murderers in this world! Genocide can never be right!

      waylon.payne - 2011-08-02 07:58

      In no way did they condone genocide. You're an adult, is it necessary to jump to silly conclusions..?

      Liberty - 2011-08-02 08:14

      @waylon you must be joking

      Bok Fan - 2011-08-02 09:29

      Absolutely true. But according to descriptions this was satirical and in no way a celebration of Naziism. That would I agree be repulsive in the extreme.

      GT - 2011-08-02 09:34

      @waylon - wake up moron. These guys are not laughing at Nazi's, they are mimicking it.

      tigertank - 2011-08-02 09:38

      Let the one who never laughed at Basil Fawlty in Fawlty Towers cast the first stone.

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-02 09:39

      Well Waylon, we might as well support Julius, just don't jump to conclusion about Nationalisation and Land grabs though - Dude!! Are you for real? This type of mentality and behaviour should not be tolerated.... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Moeletsi-The-President/205134709529957

      Ruff-ian - 2011-08-02 09:41

      At times I'm so proud to be South Africa>>> but when I read stuff like this I'm utterly embarassed,I mean at what pointed did you think something like this would be funny?If there is anything I do not tolerate it's racists pigs

      Ruff-ian - 2011-08-02 09:45

      @waylon, you sure are myoptic!!!

      Poloyatonki - 2011-08-02 09:52

      It was a long time ago, you people need to get a grip and get over it.

      Sean - 2011-08-02 10:49

      Tell that to the ANC and Malema - 68000 whites dead since 1994,if thats not genocide I dont know what is.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-08-02 11:42

      unless CNN spins it to look like someone else's fault. Ignoring this, George Bush and Halliburton make Hitler look like a picnic.

  • MBSS (Meeste bulls supporters Suck) - 2011-08-02 07:42

    Really??? Do people really have nothing else to complain about? Come-on, It’s not like they went out and said lets “kill” all the “....”!!! I guess that would have been fine... Get over yourself and rather start worrying about serious stuff.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 09:35

      you can say Jews if you want, it's not a dirty word

      myoomsemotor - 2011-08-02 10:09

      i think you have the best name ever!!!!!!!!!!!

  • waylon.payne - 2011-08-02 07:53

    South Africans are too easily offended by anything. We live in an extremely prudish society.

      Liberty - 2011-08-02 08:16

      Oh yes true, let's have a "kill the boer" festival while we are at it.

      waylon.payne - 2011-08-02 08:41

      @Liberty, there is a vast difference between inciting violence and what they did. Take a chill pill.

      Exzim - 2011-08-02 08:51

      There is no difference Waylon. Both are racialistic, both incite violence and both should be condemned in no uncertain manner. If they had advocated dressing up and looking like the Oslo murderer would you have said it's fine? There is sufficient evil in the world without reminding people about it.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-02 08:58

      South Africans lack consideration for others. Too many of our citizens are too self-obsessed to live peacefully amongst others. It would be very impolite to goof around about Hitler in Israel. What makes people think it should be fine here, in a country of 100 000 Jews?

      waylon.payne - 2011-08-02 09:16

      @Exzim There is a major difference, whereas the one action has been recognized in court as hate speach. You would be hard pressed to get the same reaction out of the courts just cos someone made a Nazi solute. I bet you dont even listen to tuksfm, rather stay tuned to Jacaranda and keep your opinions to yourself.

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-02 09:45

      Waylon, you keep saying its not the same, there is a difference yet Hitler and the Oslo murderers are just that... Murderers!! And these are the people they want to use to gain popularity? Perhaps we are taking too much chill pills. Thats why we only breed guys like Julius. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Moeletsi-The-President/205134709529957

      Lyle - 2011-08-02 09:53

      Agreed Waylon. We are far too touchy. It would be different if it was genuinely hate speech, and meant to cause offence. Who decides what's taboo and what's not? Or what can be parodied and what can't? We need to ease up a bit and become a bit more liberal as a country here in SA. And the world for that matter

      Arno Young - 2011-08-02 10:14

      @Waylon, 'stay tuned to Jacaranda'. Why? just because Exzim differs from your opinion? Are you not able to tolerate differences? Something Hitler might have been accused of? I don't think Tuks intended to offend but they did. Anti-Semitism is an accident waiting to happen so there is no need to give it any impetus. And I think that if Anti-Semitism was not sharply on the rise, then yes we might be guilty of being a bit touchy/prudish or whatever you’d like to call it. Rather err on the side of humanity.

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-08-02 07:57

    Kids will be kids - they don't have the emotional intelligence yet to know when they cross that fine line between satire and socially unacceptable behaviour. If they don't go through this process - then they could all end up like Malema who has an involuntary foot in mouth disease.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-08-02 10:29

      @Heronakamura - Most black South Africans are racist and are trained to be racist. Just look at Malema , prison , crime stats blah blah go live in cookoo land.

  • Badballie - 2011-08-02 08:04

    People are just to damn sensitive, nowdays you can't say or do anything without thinking about it twice getting a lawyers opinion and then asking your neighbours for input. Even then the chances are someone is going to get their nickers in a knot andtry to sue you anyway, suck it up people we are not children and we are quiet capable of telling the difference between right and wrong without the mind police dictating to us thank you very much.

  • CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-08-02 08:09

    As much as the ANCYL mimmicks hitlers youth league, as much as the police in SA mimic the Gestapo in being puppets to the government agenda of increased and obvious racism and corruption. This blog concept was idiotic and only a pseudo intellectual with no real concept of irony could has put it in the way the proposed. Tuks seriously less time giving pretentious idiots a voice and more time giving them an education, then perhaps maybe after careful screening let them speak. *** Yes I believe in censoring the stupid, the racist and the ignorant.

  • tennilleg - 2011-08-02 08:25

    It is nice to be all "grown up" and easy going about stuff like this but wait until your life has been forever changed by a psychopath like Hitler. Honestly if you, or someone you loved was raped, do you think you could ever laugh about a rapist/pedophile joke again? But sure it is pretty easy to tell other people to take a chill pill when the worst things you have seen or experienced were on television.

      Leroux vd Hoven - 2011-08-02 09:38

      Following this logic u cant make fun of anyone or anything ever.

      Sick - 2011-08-02 12:20

      Spot on!

  • apie - 2011-08-02 08:28

    But malema and zuma can sing about killing the white man and using a machine gun? Typical South African one-sided mentality.

      cerveza - 2011-08-02 09:16

      @apie - I am sure tuks would remove and apologise for it when malema and zuma post about killing white people on their blog. It is a different discussion not one sided mentality. But many South Africans do suffer from a "lets rather talk about what I want to" mentality

      Fred - 2011-08-02 11:06

      Two wrongs don't make a right, your reasoning is just plain dumb, Actually your name says it all.

  • Totman - 2011-08-02 08:30

    I can understand if some people feel offended, but take it in the light that student will be students. They are young. Not living in the past and do stupid things for fun. Specially stupid in the eyes of older people who still remember or know of the seriousness of the deeds of Hitler. If they were having an sex theme the churches would have jumped on them. If a Christian or Muslim thing the non-believers would have shouted. Maybe they should have had a degrading Union Jack theme related to the Boer-wars and colonialism. Than at least they would have had the support of the Boere and majority black people.lol. Point is. Students stay students. Not that it makes it right, but their intentions is not so bad as they got blamed for.

  • Kareltjie Boshoff - 2011-08-02 08:37

    Still too soon?

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 09:38

      maybe another 100 years

  • Baddy - 2011-08-02 08:59

    There should be no need for TUKS to apologise. If the ANCYL can say what they want then so can TUKS!!!

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 09:38

      You don't want to live in a happy world do you?

      Fred - 2011-08-02 11:08

      Tuks is supposed to be an institution of higher education, the ANCYL is not, again only an idiot believes that two wrongs make a right.

      Dave - 2011-08-02 14:13

      agree totally, whats good for one is good for another

  • Thandi van der Merwe - 2011-08-02 09:13

    Germany and some other european countries, displaying the Hitler salute or any other Nazi paraphanalia is a punishable crime. It is highly offensive and symbolises dictatorship at its worst. It is shocking that university students are so superficial and obvisously uneducated, that they do not see the significance of what they are doing. It is equally shocking how shallow most of the comments on this page are relating to the topic....or not...

      Totman - 2011-08-02 09:54

      O, please!!! Than ban the memories of the Persians and Muslims that took nations over and ended up in Spain. Ban the Crusaders that made war against the same people afterwards. Ban Heloween day. Ban Christmas. Ban the history of the Romans. Ban the history of the Khan family. Ban the history of the Mongolians. Ban the history of the Voortrekkers. Ban the history of Shaka, Dingaan and Mosjesh. Do not dress like an impi, in khaki like a Boer or Englishman. When and where will you draw the line????? We are not in Europe! @Kenny.What does it had to do with skin colour? How do you find it relevant to this report?

      Benzo - 2011-08-02 10:03

      where did you get that from? Remember one of the British royals going to a dress up party in SS uniform. Nothing criminal, people just moaned him being unsensitive and of story.

      darkwing - 2011-08-02 10:12

      Whom of you ever saw that series 'allo, 'allo? Did you find it funny? Lots of people did. Even Europeans. I suppose fans of the series should all be shot.

      TaniaS - 2011-08-03 01:47

      @ Totman...spot on! It was a parody. Just about everyone in the World has fkd up someone else - for religious, territorial, monetary and other reasons. Some are just more subtle than others. Read Pravda online, someone. It is now available in English. In my life I never imagined that I would have access to something that we would have gone to jail for a scant 20 yrs ago. We are changing the World as we comment and learn from others. Be patient - it will get better.

  • Bok Fan - 2011-08-02 09:25

    Duhhhhhhhhhhh. According to reports this was entirely and completely satirical. Now dont tell me Hitler is also off limits like Winnie,Juju,Muammar and Mugabe.

  • LJ Graey - 2011-08-02 09:28

    Call me names if you like, but I would have thought that poking fun at Hitler would be something applauded by the jewish community instead of being offended by it. If you honestly want me to believe that placing your fingers on your top lip to mimmic a moustache the whole western world has been poking fun at for years can in any way be misconstrued as a serious salute then clearly there's something seriously wrong with all of us. I think people are blowing this way out of proportion, as usual. There is a world of difference between having a dark sense of humour and simply being insensitive. Honestly. If you find something distasteful, fine, it's your right to say so. But at least make sure you're not just making a mountain out of a molehill so you can have something to have a hissy-fit about.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 09:33

      I won't call you names but I think you're naiive by choice. If it's something that causes the broader jewish community emotional pain, as human beings, we have no right to rub salt in the wound. Why cause pain to another if you don't have to? for the sake of entertainment? come on.

      LJ Graey - 2011-08-02 10:22

      Point taken Daemos, but I'd go with "realistic" instead of "naiive by choice". Poking fun at the millions murdered by the Nazi movement, THAT would be rubbing salt in the wounds (And there are hundreds of very common jokes that do exactly that.) Poking fun at a social-media phenomenon by using a caricature of a much reviled and FAILED despot hardly falls into the same category. There has to be a limit to how sensitive we can be about these things, because at the present rate it appears that merely mentioning the fool can get you into hot water, irrespective of your intentions. It's become ridiculous. The way people go on about it we might as well just erase all mention of Hitler from history in the hopes that no-one will ever mention him or his party ever again, just in case we accidentally offend someone by doing so. (By the same token, shouldn't calling someone a "Grammar Nazi" be deemed just as offensive?) Perhaps I am just naive. But I just can't fathom why people would ACTIVELY give something like Hitler so much power over their lives that the mere mention of his name paints the person uttering it as a full-blooded Nazi. The world triumphed, did it not? The Jewish community survived the onslaught, did it not? So why not be proud of the fact that we are getting better as a species instead of cowering in a corner every time someone decides to poke fun at Hitler.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 11:21

      We have to be careful, I'm not saying we should censor everything, but if we're really participating in nation building, we have to draw the line between things that need to be said and things that we just want to say for the sake of being contraversial or 'funny' The fact is, we communicate usi symbols and they are powerful things because a symbol evokes all our emotion and frame of reference. Even though our current jewish community may not contain anyonwe who actuially weent through the holocast, they are still healing from the experience and I see no reason to kick a community while they're down. This is what we do as humans, we assign significance to symbols and past events, we pass our history on to future generations in emotion as much as in words. So as HUMANS, despite all our differences, we should alweays keep in mind how we would feel if someone trivialised our pain.

  • munchkin.ross - 2011-08-02 09:28

    This was supposed to be silly fun, but mimicing a Nazi is just plain stupid, and offensive. Think of the the effects the Holocaust had all over the world, including South Africa. Even non Jews. Our family was affected, and had to change our surnames so as not to be accusted of being German spies. The Jews were persecuted during the war, and a lot of German families were persecuted afterwards. Couldn't they think of something else to have silly fun with.

  • Leroux vd Hoven - 2011-08-02 09:41

    Its highly offensive these people that are so easily offended. I cant dress like a nazi for a joke ? If u cant make fun of nazis WHO can u make fun of ?Following this logic you cant make fun of ANYONE EVER cause SOMEONE wil be offended. o Please. If i dress like stalin hardly anyone wil notice.

  • Stephan Gericke - 2011-08-02 09:42

    If I had to choose between Planking, Owling, Coning (eating an ice-cream cone from the bottom to the top) or "Hitlering", I would definitely not participate in the latter. The others are funny due to their silly randomness, "Hitlering" is in no way random and one cannot avoid its implicit associations. It does not take an adult to know the difference. I just remain in disbelief of everyone's selfishness and conceitedness...

      Leroux vd Hoven - 2011-08-02 09:45

      Because of the implicit assosiations mentioned, Hitlering is either disgusting or WAY more funny. I find it hilarious personaly.

  • Lyle - 2011-08-02 09:48

    Shame man. I can see why people might be annoyed at these guys, as it is a touchy subject. But these guys were obviously doing this in jest, with no malice intended. I guess we're conservative as a society, which is a bit sad, but I guess there's no way of fighting that really. Political correctness is utter nonsense. Best of luck to the Tuks guys...

  • Temp - 2011-08-02 09:52

    In part I agree - children imitating the salute without proper education do not understand the gravity of the National Socialist struggle. I see it was removed after the SA Jewish Board of Deputies complained. I thought free speech was won back in 1994? Is there a White Board of Deputies in South Africa? To Hell with it - let's get back to watching that rugby!

      Sick - 2011-08-02 12:27

      There's only a Jewish Board of Deputies - if you're Jewish you can join!

  • Benzo - 2011-08-02 10:00

    my Jewish friends in johburg make the same gesture when they want to say: "F...off" or "to you to...". Common expression. Would ANC members be offended by the "duck walk" with one hand on your back with handpalm open, stands for "bribe me, please".

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 10:11

      your logic....it gives me a headache

  • Leica - 2011-08-02 10:06

    Must i feel offended when i see any Englishmen or the Queen for coming here making war in the Free state and Transvaal and the killing of 28000 innocent woman and children in the concentration camps. And the burning of 30000 farm houses and destruction of whole towns??

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 10:12

      if you must

  • Wonderboy - 2011-08-02 10:40

    I wonder if Ghengis Khan should not be labelled the worlds greatest murderer and never be spoken of again. He is infamous for slaughtering the entire populations of cities Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/genghis-khan#ixzz1TrJqt7FB

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-02 11:21

      touche

  • Who Cares - 2011-08-02 11:58

    Wish we had a Hitler in SA.... burn em B>>>>

  • Stevie - 2011-08-02 12:04

    Whatever. People believe what they want to believe, because that's all we ever do.

  • Nicholas - 2011-08-02 12:37

    But I don't see any necessity to complain about that, it was just a joke-of-de-day; Hitler died in 1945, so, is it a case to remember or honour him? Is honouring your grany a fault? Next time those so called complainers will complain about Heritage and Cultural days...

  • Sythe - 2011-08-02 12:46

    Yawn.....how exciting. Rather stick to planking, owling, dogging or catting. It would prevent a lot of stress from over sensitive individuals.

  • Colline - 2011-08-02 12:48

    I've listened to TuksFM on a couple of occasions and i can say that they 9/10 the dj's say something stupid. it's embarrassing.

  • henk - 2011-08-02 14:27

    Too many radio dj's have a very free say on air these days. Most of the jokes i hear on radio is insensetive and insulting to alot of people. People in those positions (radio) should take a bit more responcibility of what they are saying, some toppicks is just taboo.

  • Jacques - 2011-08-02 15:44

    Trust 'n Tukkie! haha

  • onthefence - 2011-08-02 17:41

    It was/is wrong - full stop They said sorry (and hopefully learnt a lesson) - full stop Moving right along now......

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