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Victims held after shoot-out with robbers

2011-12-26 20:13

Cape Town - Two victims of a robbery in a night club chased their attackers and, after a gunfight that saw one of the alleged robbers shot dead and another wounded, were themselves arrested, Western Cape police said on Monday.

Spokesperson November Filander said officers found the body of a man, aged 29, in Mamre, Atlantis shortly after 06:00 on Christmas morning. They also took possession of a firearm. Acting on information, police tracked down the vehicle in which the night club patrons were believed to have chased their alleged attackers.

They arrested a woman, aged 20, and a man in his early 20s, said Filander.

The two will face charges of murder and attempted murder when they appear in the Atlantis Magistrates' Court on Wednesday.

Comments
  • spartanx93 - 2011-12-26 20:21

    The heros get locked up.......

      Johncarlos Cynical Biza - 2011-12-26 20:34

      Sounds like they were dodgy people too. Knowing Cape Town, I can't imagine any of this involving upstanding citizens in a good neighbourhood.

      rossallenronnie - 2011-12-26 20:44

      THE LAW SAY YOU CAN ONLY SHOOT IF YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER ACCORDING TO THIS STORY THEY WERE CHASING THE ROBBERS SO THERE LIFE WERE NOT IN DANGER ANYMORE THAT IS WHY THEY WERE CHARGED WITH MURDER BUT I SAY GIVE THEM HONARY MEDALS ONE LESS CRIMINAL ON THE ROAD THIS LAW IS STUPID BRING BACK THE LAW WHERE YOU CAN SHOOT A FLEEING CRIMINAL

      Johncarlos Cynical Biza - 2011-12-26 21:32

      To those who gave me a thumbs down - Atlantis is a poorer section of the Cape Flats, and in places like that(or anywhere else, really) honest citizens do not carry guns to clubs. No, I'm not objecting to the thugs being killed. I am just skeptical of the victims being heroes, as per the comment.

      Herman - 2011-12-26 21:52

      gangsters....all of them

      Steenbra - 2011-12-26 22:49

      Johncarlos, if you know Cape Town like you say you do you will know that Atlantis is 60km outside of Cape Town. And certainly not the Cape Flats..

      Herman - 2011-12-26 23:18

      @johncarlos, Atlantis is just past Melkbosstrand up the Westcoast, far, far away from the cape flats. It does however have a lot of crime and there is a lot of gangsters living there.

      Sharkshoot - 2011-12-27 17:02

      They probably shot cops that were moonlighting as robbers.

  • Barefoot - 2011-12-26 20:31

    Give those two a Bell's and make them honorary police officers

      George - 2011-12-27 06:25

      What about a Sportmsn of the year award, They have done a better job than the sap

  • Ingrid - 2011-12-26 20:32

    Ja ne, ONLY in South Africa! It makes me sick!!!!!

  • Cecile - 2011-12-26 20:42

    ONLY IN SOUTH AFRICA ... criminals can do what they want, and when people defend themselves or others, the justice system cries 'excessive force'.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-27 07:58

      I doubt this would ONLY happen here though. The okes chased and caught and killed one of the criminals - it was not exactly self defence. I think in any country they would have being arrested, its just a pity they are so efficient when it comes to arresting the "good guys".

      henk.v.biljon - 2011-12-27 08:52

      We were attacked while having a braai at my house. I was inside at that moment so I managed to grab my gun and run outside. I was shot at (they missed) but then I shot back (I missed too) and the attackers fled. I pumped two rounds after them for good measure but missed again. They were still on my property at the time so I hit a wall and no shot was endangering the public. Boy oh boy! I was nearly arrested and disarmed. Police swarmed my house and watched the CCTV footage endlessly. No policeman even tried to chase after the attackers, but they took swabs, fingerprints, statements etc from all of us until about 3:00 the following morning. They nearly charged me with discharging a firearm in a built-up area, but luckily I had the footage which proved we were attacked. They tried to confiscate my firearms, but I said over my dead body and they let it be. I shudder to think what would have happened to me if I wounded or killed one of them.

      Azande - 2011-12-27 10:00

      @Henk, what an incident you experienced. Good that you were all safe after all. I can imagine the enragement you felt when you were treated like a criminal by the police while you or any of your family members almost lost life. I however wish to look at the actions of the police in a different light. I wouldn’t entirely condemn them for what they did, interrogation and several viewing of the CCTV footages. The only people who knew facts about the incident were you and the criminals, the police did not know anything and had to gather some information to establish facts. Unfortunately, criminals were gone and you guys were the only source of such information. The police do this to, amongst other things, avoid irresponsible and hatred-triggered killing by individuals under the guise of “self defence”. About the attempt to confiscate your fire-arm, I personally think they overstepped there.

      flysouth - 2011-12-27 11:06

      Henk you are lucky not to be in jail! given the calibre of person often employed by the SAPS! This is why I will never call the cops if I have to shoot, rather make everything - and I mean everything - disappear. As a law-abiding gun-owner I have been so advised by a police reservist, since even when the law is not against me the SAPS most certainly is and will use any opportunity to disarm me even if I am i the right. I know a guy who did shoot twice as the robbers were scrambling out of his lounge - the cops came and demanded to confiscate his 9mm. He simply told them "I still have 13 rounds left, so I do not think so!". The cops left him alone.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-27 13:55

      I've had a similar experience with the SAPS, I can't stand dealing with them. Our local ones seem to have less than no interest in arresting anyone, they were actually visibly annoyed when we arrested an oke who robbed my maid of her cell phone. As far as I'm concerned, where I live, we have no formal law enforcement, its up to us to protect ourselves, by whatever means it takes.

  • Ryan - 2011-12-26 20:48

    Shoot out , this implies the robbers were shooting at them too?!

  • JudithNkwe - 2011-12-26 20:50

    Crazy!

  • Hermann - 2011-12-26 20:53

    Viva the criminals, viva!!!! Seeing a shootout is mentioned I guess both side fired upon oneanother.

  • Clyde - 2011-12-26 20:57

    that is just typical,only the criminals have rights in this wonderfull country of ours.You have to let the criminals kill you before you defend yourself,otherwise you become the criminal.

  • Cracker - 2011-12-26 21:05

    Live and let live but if rubbish makes it impossible for you to live your life and there is no law or court of policeman in sight to summarily assist you effectively then do the necessary and rid society of the rubbish. Our criminal law concerning the protection of property and the arresting of fleeing suspects worked relatively well prior to some unrealistic expectations introduced by the Constitution and the Concourt that property is after all not important. Which idea they got from where? They were sitting pretty comfortably with their guaranteed incomes and self-protection measures. The ordinary citizen is biting the bullet in the meanwhile. If you are lucky enough you may be able to afford private security. But why must we pay extra so protect us against the criminal mind while the solution stares us in the face? Change the law. Make it permissible to hunt down the perpetrators and deal with them decisively, and allow the legal measure until we have an effective judicial system. However, whatever the eventual effectiveness of the judicial system, make it permissible in any event to kill anybody found without permission on your enclosed property after sunset - no questions asked. During daylight allow the people to deal equally effectively with trespassers if they do not surrender peacefully and remain passive while the parties wait for the police to arrive.

      Ben - 2011-12-26 21:23

      I agree with you but there is always the possibility that innocent people may be killed. Problem is, once you are in a position to have a say in the making of laws, you have already lost contact with reality. You and me know what they are using their time for and it is definitely not for the improvement of living conditions in the country.

      Cracker - 2011-12-26 21:45

      @ Ben I know. You may detect the desperation in my comment. Solutions? We have been let down terribly by ineptitude and dishonesty like almost impossible to comprehend. And it is not the fault of the ordinary citizen - rich, poor, advantaged, disadvantaged, who cares about the classifications? - that we find ourselves in this situation.

      Khetha Nqubuka - 2011-12-26 22:20

      @Cracker the problem here is that in court there's a very thin line between self defence and premeditated murder. And its only the court of law that has the powers to hand of any verdict not civilians and failing to report the incident to police just makes it worse

  • Shoe - 2011-12-26 21:34

    Survivors....NOT victims by any means. Good job protecting yourselves from these bottom feeding lowlives.

  • Neville - 2011-12-26 21:52

    Only the police can shoot kill

      George - 2011-12-27 09:53

      Neville The police can shoot to kill. The question is do they? they will sit and enjoy their McCdonalds even if someone is killed beside them. When i was in the police you still had respect for seniors , did the work because it was a passion , etc. Today it is a job where you get paid and have a opportunity to get bribes and get of free from it.

      Stefan - 2011-12-27 16:20

      Only the SANDF can shoot to kill (an enemy combatant) without protecting themselves or someone else from imminent danger. Even the police can only shoot to protect themselves or the public, otherwise they have to make an arrest. As an armed member of the public, it is your duty to use whatever force necessary to protect yourself and others if faced with the situation. Sure, these guys placed themselves in the situation by following the robbers, but I believe it is their right to try and get their possesions back. The police probably wouldn't have done that.

  • bruce.boome - 2011-12-26 21:57

    Alice in wonderland is alive and well, and living in the topsy-turvey South African "justice" system. These people should be honoured and rewarded for saving others from these scum.

  • thozi - 2011-12-26 21:59

    Could the picture not have been different had the "heroes" reported the incident to the SAPS in the first place? Instead, the police had to pick up a body in the street, then find a firearm, then track the down the vehicle used in the commission, etc. etc. Sounds to me like they shot and killed, then went into hidding. That doesn't sound like a heroic deed to me. "The guilty are afraid", that's what my dad always said.

  • frank.hartry - 2011-12-26 22:12

    It has become a country where criminals such as drug mules, rapists, murderers and rampant corrupt politicians languish. It is even led by criminals that are looting the state coffers of taxpayers money ostensibly intended for the service delivery to the millions of poor people of South Africa. The only way to stop the criminality is to vote out the main criminal organisation to the dustbin pf political history. They have been in our society for far too long for the good they claim that they are doing. They are just plain despicably immoral, shameless and greedy.

  • Khetha Nqubuka - 2011-12-26 22:14

    In any normal country, there's a huge difference between self-defence, and premeditated murder. I'm sorry but these are not victim are just hooligans that belong to prison, we can not have people going around shooting people. The funny thing is the very same who don't trust our justice system, they are the first ones to run to courts every time some people say things they don't like

      Cracker - 2011-12-26 23:21

      @ Khetha Nqubuka You are really stretching the analogies a bit.

      Stefan - 2011-12-27 16:25

      If we had more members of the public who were armed, we would have less crime. I'm not advocating vigilante justice, but remeber in this case there was a shootout. Nobody executed an innocent or unarmed man.

  • EyesEars - 2011-12-27 00:13

    To little info! Know CPT and it's people and their is always a story (reason) behind a story (if that person is truely from CPT - bred and born their). So what actually happened?

  • j.c.s.mailbox - 2011-12-27 00:37

    If a country is run by a criminal friendly government u can expect that the law is on the side of their inmate-like buddies. So we (civilized citicens) have to face the music or just leave this circus area. . . .

  • Roy - 2011-12-27 01:15

    bring back the NP and the canary yellow vans..those were real cops who sorted out crime....

  • Peter - 2011-12-27 01:32

    I see my comment was not accepted seems that news 24 is just another African regimes puppet. Will not be reading in the future.

      George - 2011-12-27 06:34

      @ Peter if your report is better than news24, and is the truth, news24 dont like to be the idiots and they will delete comments just to suit themself

      henk.v.biljon - 2011-12-27 09:12

      It seems someone just has to click on "report comment" and it magically disappears. @Garth - those policemen in the yellow vans were feared and repected and upheld the law. In those days, we felt safe. They had nothing to do with censorship, that was the premise of a select few with very obsolete views. If you want to see real censorship go to Islamic countries. No stars there I assure you.

      Garth - 2011-12-27 09:37

      hvb - I did not write that the sap were responsible for censorship, but that they were part of a system that included that form of censorship. I coupled my answer to Peter with a reply to Roy, with me so far? But, having said that, the sap played a major role in censorship; think back, if you have washed out the indoctrination and are capable of unbiased historical recollection. And, if you are old enough to remember the fear that they instilled, multiply that by 1000 and you get the township perspective. Were you ever in the townships in the 80s, and early 90s? I was, and the black on black crime that `missed' investigation by the little yellow vans and was not reported by the state-controlled media, is part and parcel of the problems that we face now. No, we do not need them to return. We do, however, need effective policing and for that to manifest, we need a new government. These ineptocrats in power at the moment, are today's and tomorrow's causes of SA's pain.

  • John-rees - 2011-12-27 02:24

    This story is written in such a way that it leaves you with more questions than answers. If these victims that chased their attackers had done nothing illegal then why did they not just contact the police even after chasing the alleged robbers. FIrst question is who said they were the ones that were in fact the criminals and not the supposed victims who lets not forget had to be tracked down by the police. They could of even phoned in anonymously and let the police know where to find the one person who was deceased instead of them having to be found. Victims i am not so sure, i would of also chased them but would of also let the police know or gone straight to the police station once i had either killed or apprehended the last robber.

  • Comrade - 2011-12-27 07:56

    WHATS THE WHOLE STORY....???????

  • Wayne - 2011-12-27 08:23

    Call the SAPS you say! What a joke, when last were you in a 16 000 population township and tried to call for assistance? Eish! where is that street? Eish! The vehicle she is broken! ( requested a new battery 2 months ago, head office has yet to reply so she stands.) Eish! The other vehicle she has no petrol,,the Kits konstable, lost the petro card. Eish! The only one available ,can't come now she is busy booking in the first punch-up ( 3 hours and 50km away) So good luck too you! This is a true story, and happens everyday in our community. Enormous amounts of ranting and raving to station cmdr's,Cpf's, higher brass, just brings on the usual," Eish! we don't have the manpower" God help us!

  • Bloubul Jonck - 2011-12-27 08:35

    good on you two you deserve a medal and nobel peace price for all the lives you have saved

  • marshall.ongansie - 2011-12-27 09:51

    In a land where one don't feel safe anymore, the government urgently have to revise the laws of this country. As a human I have "HUMAN RIGHTS" too, but just to the extent where the criminal can do to me what he wants; i.e. kill me, rape me, mug me, or whatever he can do to me. If I arrive @ home and someone is raping a member of my family, I would surely try to first catch him, then I'll tie him to a tree, strip him and then rape him with a with a pole of about 100cm diameter....this will make me a criminal too, but it will at least give me the satisfaction of "PROTECTING" my family. Criminals should be hanged. A rapist will rape again when he comes out of jail; a murderer will murder again etc. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY coz we as LAW ABIDING CITIZENS are tired of not enjoying the "FREEDOM" of living a happy, safe life!!!!!!!!!!

  • Berkold - 2011-12-27 09:59

    WERE THE POLICE INVOLVED IN THE ROBBERY AND HATED GETTING CAUGHT? OTHERWISE WHY DID THESE VICTIMS GET ARRESTED???

  • Azande - 2011-12-27 10:11

    A life has been lost, whether a criminal's or not. It is the duty of the police to make arrests and investigate. I do not see why poeple are agitated by these arrests. It is the court that will decide on whether the murder is justified or not. Right now we can only speculate on what actually caused the attacks as the article rightfully refer to these people as "alleged" attackers.

  • Mariette Adams - 2011-12-27 11:12

    News24 get the facts straight before publishing such rubbish. I live in Mamre and the 'victims of the robbery' were not robbed but rather in a drunken brawl fight with 2 Mamre residents, they chased the guys they fought with, opened fire and fatally killed the deceased, who in actual fact attended was at a friend's house party. He (the deceased) knew nothing about the fight at the damn night club!!!!!

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-27 14:01

      You see now, everybody jumping to conclusions and defending these people as heroes. Always helps to have more detail before throwing a hissy fit. (That is, if Mariette is telling the truth, who knows?)

      thozi - 2011-12-27 16:05

      @ Mariette Adams: Mariette thanks for that explanation. This supports Khetha and I's comments above. The problem with us South Africans is that we've been so affected and angered by crime that we end up not correctly applying our minds to a set of given facts because we're constantly looking for 'supermen' who'll exterminate criminals.

  • Shirley - 2011-12-27 14:26

    Welcome to South Africa-The crimanals walk free and the victims get arressted! If a criminal is arrested he is either helped to escape by cops,or given a medical parole! No wonder all the other countries scum flock over our borders!

  • darren.peach - 2011-12-27 17:04

    Let us never forget, No matter what the circumstances of this event the article covers, Criminals in SA get released on the presidents Birthday and then go and murder again. Thats all you need to know about peoples rights in SA.

  • Jeremy - 2011-12-29 14:41

    ENOUGH! Why must we live in fear? Surrounded by criminals AND cops who kill for little or no reason. It's enough. I must be allowed to protect myself and if that means protecting myself against corrupt arresting officers who laugh as they lock ordinary people into metal boxes full of rapists then so be it.

  • Frank - 2012-02-27 18:31

    Old news , Happy christmas

  • francisco.dorosario - 2012-07-02 18:21

    @Henk we have a lot of mine dumps in need of fertilizer, used them do not call the police! ?

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