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We will pray for ANC's downfall - Tutu

2011-10-04 21:04

Cape Town - South Africans will pray for the downfall of the ANC like they did with the apartheid government, Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said in Cape Town on Tuesday, during a news briefing on the government's failure to grant the Dalai Lama a visa.

The Dalai Lama was invited to attend the birthday celebrations of Tutu, a friend and fellow Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Tutu, often described as the country's conscience, shouted: "We will pray, as we prayed for downfall of [the] apartheid government, we will pray for [the] downfall of a government that misrepresents us."

Barely concealing his fury, Tutu repeatedly told ANC leaders to "watch out" and warned them about becoming too complacent after winning every election since 1994 with large majorities. He indicated they could face the fate of Arab dictatorships.

"The Nationalists had a huge majority. They ate dust," Tutu said while shaking his finger.

Popular uprisings


He said the ANC had a large majority, but so did former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak and former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, both of whom were overthrown in popular uprisings.

"Mubarak had a large majority. Gaddafi had a large majority. Watch out. I am warning you. Watch out."

Tutu said South Africa was helped by the international community to overcome apartheid.

"People were opposed to injustice and oppression and people believe that we South Africans would be on the side of those who are oppressed. Tibet is being oppressed," he said.

"People who supported us in our struggle... those people are weeping. They are saying South Africa, it can't be.

"Our government, representing me, says it will not support Tibetans who are being oppressed viciously by the Chinese."

“May I just remind you - the minister of international relations and co-operation [Maite Nkoana-Mashabane] two years ago said the Dalai Lama can come anytime.

“She was being very, very, economical with the truth or she didn’t know her work.”

‘No outside pressure’

South Africa has denied there was any outside pressure on the visa application, and international relations spokesperson Clayson Monyela insisted that normal procedures were followed.

"Unfortunately he's decided to pull out of the trip, which is his decision, and we have noted that decision," Monyela said.

But Tutu said: "Clearly, whether they say so or not, they were quite determined that they are not going to do anything that would upset the Chinese."

Tutu also had strong words for President Jacob Zuma.

He said he once listened to one of Zuma's State of the Nation speeches as the president paid tribute to everyone, apart from religious leaders, in bringing about democracy.

"I listened to this president paying tribute to all kinds of people who had helped bring about democracy in this country," Tutu said.

"This president did not mention a single religious leader. Let the ANC know that they cannot airbrush us out."

‘You don’t represent me’


"Hey Mr Zuma, you and your government don't represent me. You represent your own interests.

"One day we will be praying for the defeat of the ANC government. You are disgraceful. You have... a huge majority – that is nothing. Watch out ANC government. Watch out!”

Tutu said former president Nelson Mandela once told the United States not to tell him how to choose his friends when he was challenged about South Africa's close ties with Cuba.

"When you think Madiba [was] able to say to [the] most powerful country, look you don't choose our friends for us... To say that to the US about Cuba, it takes something, but he did and they did nothing. If anything, their respect for him grew."

Tutu said he would not invite the Dalai Lama to South Africa again.

"I don't think I would put him through this kind of thing again," he said.

Comments
  • hardus.lauwrens - 2011-10-04 21:13

    What a disgrace... you ANC thugs have ruined a once beautiful FUNCTIONING country.

      cameronrh1 - 2011-10-04 22:13

      Yea South Africa never was a good state at all... We had a currency stronger then the dollar, good infrastructure, produced and developed most of our own products (be it in the medical or military). An education system that produced top notch students (although it was benefiting the whites with a few modifications to the sytem it could benefit all) they took this once thriving country and wiped it through their backsides...

      myancmyfutur - 2011-10-04 22:32

      @cameronh, We may raise questions like, do you spend all your resources maintaing the infrastructure that benefitted 15% of the population or you take the funds and provide services for the rest of the population or do you pay the world bank loan that were looted by the previous regime? Same applies with education, do you use the education budget to build schools to cover the whole population still learning under trees? As much as we blacks can't blame apartheid forever you need to stop saying this was better during apartheid and constructively participate in the building of this country.No one is better than the other.

      Sedick - 2011-10-04 22:37

      @MYANCMYFUP. If Tutu had invited the despots of the world (Gadafi, Mafia, Chinese Triads, Japanese mafia, Post Communist gangsters), I am sure that the ANC would have fast-tracked the applications.

      myancmyfutur - 2011-10-04 22:41

      @Sedick, am not sure if you're referring to me so let me not respond

      proudandpink - 2011-10-04 22:45

      @myancmyfup ~ based on your comments, it's now wonder you support the ANCriminals. Shame on you!

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-04 23:27

      @Myancmyfutur - Cameron's statement is just idiotic. Apartheid was build on slave labour, like Rome was. But the fact that you see the Dalai Lama as a terrorist leaves me thinking you are no smarter than Cameron.... The man supported you during apartheid. Like it or not he has a HUGE international influence and when he spoke out against Apartheid the world listened. No the ANC turn their back on him and for some reason ANC supporters AGAIN just stand behind ANYTHING their leaders tell them. Just to remind you Myancmyfutur - The ANC is suppose to work for YOU, not you for them.

      Andre - 2011-10-05 08:55

      Amazing how myancmyfutur can say "no one is better than the other" yet myancmyfutur can pass judgement on the "Half Naked Friend" Contridiction much?

      Neutkraker - 2011-10-05 09:30

      The prayers have already started. Long ago.

      Gazza69 - 2011-10-05 10:34

      Forget prayer, just stop voting for these clowns!

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 10:41

      I said "give that man a communion wine" and it's deleted as if it were offensive... a whole bunch of other comments too. I guess the strict News24 moderator has started his/her shift today. Careful guys - if you have to make jokes, preach, be offensive, save it for tomorrow ;-) (but racial hatred is always welcome on News24 as we all know and bemoan)

      FUNSA - 2011-10-05 12:03

      You said it brother. This exact same Tutu joined the ANC on may stages across the country, and his heart out to celebrate their victory. He forgets that when he talks about people "helping them in their STRUGGLE", that China was a major contributor. The USA was not, so Mandela telling them where to get off, doesn't carry the same impliations.

      I_Say - 2011-10-05 13:01

      When was this EVER a beautifully functioning country? It was an open air prison until 1994 and then it's been a Zoo since then....

      Politicallycorrect - 2011-10-05 13:32

      Whilst you're at it please start praying for the downfall of Malema!

      Taurusaurus - 2011-10-06 11:10

      @Matt :-), perhaps "give that man a communion wine" didn't appear so clear to the moderator as the publicly preferred "give that man a bells!" - or possibly, the moderator dislikes wine? ;)

  • Why - 2011-10-04 21:13

    big ones

  • Benzo - 2011-10-04 21:14

    A little late in the game Arch. Wishing you well and succes.

  • David - 2011-10-04 21:14

    I LOVE IT!

      I Like Everything - 2011-10-04 21:36

      I like it!

      Atholl - 2011-10-05 01:15

      I Love to Like it! & I Love to Like to Like Everything!

  • draadsitter - 2011-10-04 21:15

    After reading this I had to stand up clap...slowly. Bravo Mr Tutu for having the solid brass ones to say it like it is. Bravo good Sir.

  • Coconut - 2011-10-04 21:16

    Ja Boet. Ek se maar liewer niks.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-04 22:46

      Ja nee ek stem. Almal in SA het issues. Die ANC dink hulle is baas van almal, terwyl hulle niks anders is as 'n klomp hoenders met springmielies in hul breine nie. Sommige van die wittes hier wys ook nie veel beter karakter nie. Ek dink soms dis beter net dat ons mekaar vrek skiet en klaar kry sodat ons van voor af kan begin. Want ons gaan tog niks vreedsaam sonder dat iemand moet betaal vir iemand anders se besluit nie. Kom ons kry klaar en huur 'n paar plase waar ons kan oorlogvoer en mekaar des moer toe kan skiet, sodat ons weer 'n nuwe konstitusie wat vir 20 jaar iets kan beteken kan opstel. Sodoende is daar nooit te veel mans (wit en swart) [wat in senior poste kan beland nie] oor nie, en kan almal werk. Die positiewe ding sal ook wees dat ons nooit kans gaan he om gefrustreerd met mekaar te word nie, want ons sal elke 20 jaar mekaar opvok en goed reg sien.

  • Carla - 2011-10-04 21:17

    Ha ha ha karma...

  • letsee - 2011-10-04 21:18

    The ANC behaves like if South Africans are stupid.

      Axiom - 2011-10-04 22:04

      Well, uhm. like if hey

      logicIQ - 2011-10-04 22:05

      we must be, to keep voting these racist idiots in every election.

      proudandpink - 2011-10-04 22:48

      Letsee ~ Most of them are, how else did the ANC get into power?!

  • Stufflé - 2011-10-04 21:20

    Way too late for Tutu to complain. He was part of the struggle. Did he expect it to be different. And who does he think will replace the ANC after it's downfall? (due to all the praying, of course) Things will only get worse with the Malemas sitting on the sideline, ready bo take over.

      juliand - 2011-10-04 22:57

      The ANC took over without having the experience of governing a country and I believe is learning some serious lessons which future generations should avoid as experience is being built. A truth is that black people have been kept out of learning how to govern for a long time across AFRICA whether it was apartheid or colonialism. Take note the old guard will eventually be replaced by fresh and more open minded people. And the aforementioned is also not necessarily black people in the ANC, although black people is becoming more visible in the DA, but not necessarily influential. Forming and promoting a stronger civil society may just see the establishment of new political parties in the future without the ANC, DA, COPE, NP and etc. baggage. How long that will take I don't know, but it will happen if WE don't give up on AFRICA and this country.

  • RVQ - 2011-10-04 21:21

    Love it! Slowly it's all crumbling down on them...

  • multicore - 2011-10-04 21:22

    "Tutu, often described as the country's conscience...". So where was his "conscience" when malema sings about killing whites? Tutu you reaped what you sowed.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-04 21:48

      The ANCYL have no respect for Tutu as he often brings up the truth... Maybe it wasn't publicised as much but Tutu is highly critical of the ANC and more so the ANCYL. Go read before you smile upon a man's misery

      multicore - 2011-10-04 22:40

      Historically tutu was as critical of the ANC as the ANC is currently of Malema. Now and again he would raise his voice but generally he supported them. If this was not the case then why only now would he withdrew his support? If he was really the conscience of the country then you would expect him to make a much bigger fuss about say Malema or poor service delivery than someone who can't come to his party. His response to this incident is disproportional for a person who is suppose to be neutral.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-10-04 22:41

      Selective brain, or selective reading? Bugger off! Leave this man alone. You could wish to be a bone in his finger. At Eighty he makes more sense than you do, and I feel his anger. No emotion equates to fighting the good fight and being let down by the very people you supported. He reflects what we all feel - a great disapppointment. Go wash your mouth with soap, and apologize.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-04 23:33

      Thanks Tania - Yes Multi.. The man is 80. And no Multi he has been WAY more critical of them, so much so that the ANCYL openly harass him. And since when is he neutral? He is a man that has stood by a belief, the one he shared with Mandela. That is not neutral

      multicore - 2011-10-04 23:35

      Steyn, since you resort to insults instead of civilised debate all I can say to you is: if I need your opinion I'll give it to you.

      multicore - 2011-10-04 23:58

      OK Pencil could you please state when tutu criticised the ANCYL for singing the "kill the boer" song (calling for ethnic cleansing is after all as serious as they come and you would expect a nobel PEACE prize winner to at least condemn that to the fullest - don't you)? I did a google search and found nothing, but maybe I'm wrong.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-05 00:11

      Multicore - I am not saying he did. Yes, i would have liked if he did stand up against it like i would have liked if he stood up against the passing of the info bill like i would have liked him to stand up against Zuma dragging his feet regarding effing EVERYTHING. All i am saying is here is a man that fought his entire life with the ANC against the injustice of apartheid. When the ANC took over, his fight against injustice (This time caused by the ANC) continued and he has been heavily criticised because of it. Fact is he can't take on every issue but we need to salute him for his message and for staying strong, nevermind the opposition. people like him should be celebrated for what they have done, not blamed for what they couldn't do. PS: Google search Tutu fall out with ANCYL or ANCYL criticizes Tutu and you will see there is plenty ...

      multicore - 2011-10-05 00:42

      "Fact is he can't take on every issue..." But that is exactly my point Pencil - the man is very selective in what he sees as injustice. As I said before a call for genocide is much more severe than Malema's spat with Zuma (which he did decide to criticise). Even under the apartheid government (which he criticised so much), whites never called for black genocide. Yet, strangely he remains silent on the "kill the boer" issue. For me it suggests he is biased and thus my original statement "you reap what you sow".

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-05 07:04

      I see your point but Einstein never designed a raincoat for the atom bomb, Madonsela is not working at triple speed, Jesus never told us what would happen if a little buddhist boy died and stood before the gates of Heaven... Also, even if he did have a specific POV about the song, would we even have heard about it? I haven't even heard much coming from Helen Zille or PW de Klerk about the matter... Because they are not directly involved the media doesn't talk to them...

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 11:31

      multicore, what point are you trying to make actually? You chastise someone for not debating correctly, but then you refuse to concede the excellent points made by pencilgraffiti. It is totally unreasonable (and unfair) to expect Tutu to address each and every of the many debacles perpetrated by the current government, but to suggest that he has been quiet on crucial issues is completely uninformed. He has spoken out sharply on many occasions in the more recent past, to the extent, as pencil rightly points out, that he is subjected to regular harrassment by the ANCYL and others. Perhaps you are using odd search parameters or something like that. But one doesn't really need Google on this. One simply needs to have paid attention to the news over the last while. Not many people run around with a list of references at their fingertips (unless filled with some or other obsession), and to demand that is not reasonable in this form of debate.

  • iT@xpayer - 2011-10-04 21:23

    You will have to pray very hard...South Africa needs a cleansing similar to Sodom and Gemorrah

      zaatheist - 2011-10-05 04:29

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      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 08:46

      @ ZAatheist - OK so if there's no God, how would you explain the archaeological site in Jordan that is clearly the remnants of Sodom and Gomorrah? Like, loads of sulphur balls there, skeletons which died quickly... oh yeah, it evolved :-) Besides, everyone knows Sodom and Gomorrah merely relocated to Amsterdam, lol... (Middle Eastern joke)

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 09:12

      @ iT@xpayer You are 100% right on that one. However, Tutu is also part and parcel of those who have supported turning SA into a mini Sodom. Will the Almighty God listen to his prayer? I do not ask this lightly. Tutu is the same man who is economical with Biblical morality. For example, he does not consider homosexuality a sin- as based on his utterances. So, I must conclude that he will not be praying to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob who calls homosexuality an abomination. Perhaps he is thinking of praying to Baal, Mohammed's god, Ashtoreth, Molech, Kali or Dagon. Who knows? He should identify his god, so that Christians may happily refrain from joining in such prayers. Let's make no mistake here: Tutu is no Elijah on Mt Carmel challenging false doctrine and worship. He is no Moses raising the standard of righteousness. He rages against the ANC, not because they mock Christ and disregard Biblical values - but because they ruined his birthday plans. Would a godly man not seek to understand what constrains may be at play and, if sacrificing his birthday plans meant a greater good for SA, do so without media fanfare? Does he assume the Almighty will give priority to his birthday plans, while he is largely happy to dilute Biblical doctrine? If so, why? No Christian should be applauding this media circus created by a man "threatening to pray" because his birthday plans were ruined. Let us be sober minded. Selah.

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 09:24

      Psalm, you are just so way off beam. There is no way that Tutu expects your Allmighty to give priority to his birthday plans. You just miss the entire point, don't you. This has nothing to do with the allmighty, but with a cowardly government and a deliberately tardy department. You are so wrapped up in your closed little balloon that you seem unable to reason properly.

      Eternity - 2011-10-05 09:32

      @Psalm I get what you are saying here but I think you are not looking at this from all angles. This is not just about his birthday, it’s about discriminating against a peaceful man (a noble prize winner actually) in order to keep the Chinese happy. This is all about power and greed. Now I am not a religious person at all, but do these not go against the teaching of the bible? It defiantly goes against human decency and shows what calibre people are running and representing our country. They are in it for themselves and no one else. There is no respect for their country in their service to their people or the way they present it

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 09:34

      @ daaivark You are clearly off key here. Tutu created a media circus to rant and rage because his birthday plans were ruined by the visa debacle. He then raised the threat of praying out the ANC. With respect, perhaps you should refrain from commenting on issues you do not grasp, daaivark. My reasoning is spot on. Your lack of appreciation for all things Biblical renders you incapable of grasping the bigger picture here.

      Colin - 2011-10-05 09:40

      Psalm, I am so with Daaivark on this. You are so way off track here.. Your religious fervor has blinded you to the crux of the issue.

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 09:53

      @ Colin If you could show me any Biblical principle that supports Tutu's rant and rage in such circumstances, I would be grateful. Not even Moses, when faced with the 400-year enslavement of his people, acted with such arrogant assumption when facing pharoah. Not even Elijah sought to make arrogant assumptions about removing evil Ahab from the throne, while his pagan queen Jezebel slaughtered the prophets of God. And yet they had God's full ear. Not even John the Baptist, who rebuked the adultery of a ruler, rose to such heights in threats and theatrics. I have yet to find Biblical support for this circus over a birthday, Colin.

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 10:07

      @ Eternity I appreciate the fact that you have indicated that you are not a religious person. However, I must point out that Tutu wears the cloak of Christian leadership- hence, he must be subjected to Biblical scrutiny, whether non-Christians like this or not. It might surprise you, Eternity, to learn that some of the people and groups that Tutu supports are also governed by self-interest, greed and/or unrighteousness. Such conduct is not only practised by the ANC. Will Tutu also threaten pray such groups "out" of influence? I really do not expect non-Christians to appreciate this issue, though.

      Eternity - 2011-10-05 10:51

      I don't want to have a religious debate with you. I do agree that Tutu is part of Christian community and so is subject to its teaching. You are welcome to your beliefs and I hope that you can respect mine. I believe that people are more then their religious affiliations and that a case like this needs to be viewed from all angles. So not just to see Tutu as a man of religion, but also as a principled and moral South African citizen.

      bonny - 2011-10-05 11:14

      @Psalm. This is not a religious debate. I for one do not give a rat's ass who Tutu prays to (or whether it is merely a figure of speech to denote disappointment and anger),but he has at least lambasted the ANC very pubicly. Good on you Tutu.

      g - 2011-10-05 11:25

      @Psalm, I agree with you 100% TuTu, is out of line, and is acting contrary to Christian belief. I'm not happy with his "Christian" example!!!!! its contrary to so many teachings its unreal!!! - Romans 13 v 1 - Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 11:33

      AG one can't reason with you. I give up.

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 11:36

      @ bonny Any person can lambast a government publically - that is hardly evidence of "goodness" or "wisdom" or "good judgment". Substance is crucial. A wise man must measure his words. Whether you care about the religious issues arising from these events is also irrelevant, as Tutu clearly brought God into the picture. To Tutu, this is clearly also religious debate about prayer and God's prerogative to remove rulers. Furthermore, as Tutu allegedly belongs to the Christian community and was an Archbishop, your disregard for the religious tone is rather naive. But, like I indicated to Eternity (above), I do not expect non-Christians to grasp the issues here, as your response clearly shows.

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 11:37

      Beautifully put, bonny. To be more specific, Psalm, since when would any "Biblical principle that supports Tutu's rant and rage" be of any use to anyone. Who cares if there is biblical support or not. I don't recall any biblical principles on how to pee, but that doesn't mean I must hold it in all my life. Get real.

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 11:46

      @ Eternity "So not just to see Tutu as a man of religion, but also as a principled and moral South African citizen" Principled and moral according to whom and based on what standard, Eternity? Christian morality, which Tutu allegedly signed up to, is neither abstract nor relative. It is Biblical and absolute. If he belongs to Christianity, then his South African citizenship remains secondary to his citizenship and responsibility to the Kingdom of God. It was Tutu who brought God into the picture, not I, not the media, not the ANC.

      Eternity - 2011-10-05 11:56

      @Psalm I am with Daaivark; there is no reasoning with you. You just want to see this from no side only.

      Colin - 2011-10-05 11:58

      psalm, you are an idiot. Once again you miss the point of this. This has NOTHING to do with a birthday. It has EVERYTHING to do with a Government compromising a country's moral ideals for a few shekels. I am VERY aware of what the bible preaches. You might remember that Christ himself overturned the tables of the money changers at the temple and drove out the oxen with a whip he had fashioned himself. Was THIS a circus??? NO! It was about principle, and that is EXACTLY what this is about! learn to see beyond your tunnel vision. Yours is not the only religion, and perhaps stop to think how many GOOD people were offended by this "slight". People of your ilk need to get off your soapboxes, and go about making some REAL changes to our environment.

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 12:19

      @ Colin Your tone makes me doubt that you are in fact aware of what the Scriptures actually teach. Jesus Christ overturned tables... Yes, He overturned the tables of money changers who were violating the sanctity of His Father's House. He certainly did not run into Pilate's office or Herod's domain or the Roman Emperor's HQ and beginning overturning tables and cracking the whip because He was unhappy about a government decree. You should learn one crucial aspect from that confrontation in the Temple, a crucial aspect that the Bible continues to reinforce: Judgment begins in the House of the Lord. It does not begin in the parliament of SA or the UN or some other place you may presume. Also, calling me an idiot will not add an ounce of substance to your Biblical commentary, Colin.

      Colin - 2011-10-05 14:29

      ROFL Psalm, you CLEARLY get me wrong! (As it appears you do with many things). Calling you an idiot was by no means an attempt to substantiate any Biblical references.. It was merely a statement of the obvious.

      Psalm - 2011-10-05 14:50

      @ Colin Actually, Colin, the joke is on you. You missed the clear sarcasm, as your comment could never really amount to Biblical commentary now, could it?

  • Rowen - 2011-10-04 21:24

    DOWN WITH THE ANC....DOWN! ITS TIME.

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-10-04 21:25

    Ouch! This man sounds seriously angry.... How disappointing that our Government has just shown to the world at large that our "leaders" are but puppets in the hands of the economic giants. So its about money - not what is fair - not what is right - just plain old money. SHAME ON YOU ALL!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-10-04 21:25

    Take a number Tutu -- there are a few million in line at the prayer table before you

  • JoooJooo - 2011-10-04 21:26

    So you prayed for these guys first Tootoo and now you got them, despite the warning from that white guy - (remember the wit ou you bad mouthed as being a sick racist?)Now you praying for something else? Wit ou not so stoopid or bad hey... Believe me - many other folks of all races been praying to get rid of these ANC scum too (too). Dont forget JZ and some judges were hand picked by God according to them. Same God you are praying to (to).

  • aryantoo - 2011-10-04 21:26

    I startet to pray follow me

      Neill Mackenzie - 2011-10-05 07:23

      @zaatheist. Very funny how much time atheists spend to try and convince the religious that there is no God. Do you have nothing better to do with your time? Please, keep to yourself, and let the religious belief what and who they want.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 08:53

      @ Neill - no, this is pretty much what these guys live for... claiming they're sick of religion being rammed down their throats, yet they flock to anything with the mere mention of "God" to tell us how stupid we are. If that isn't living in denial, what is? @ Legens - We could just as easily make fun of you. But I know, anything I say is reason for you to attack me - I mean yesterday someone was spamming an advert, I told you all about it and you used THAT to mock me... so I respectfully won't make fun of you in return, you do a pretty good job of that on your own :-) Thought: Either there is a God, or there isn't. Both possibilities are frightening! If there is a God, we need to find out what He wants and what are His rules. If there is no God, we're hurtling through space at 66,000 miles an hour and nobody is in charge! (not even the Humanists who claim THEY are God, hehe)

  • chris jand - 2011-10-04 21:26

    ANC is finished ! Tutu and the people will make sure of that.

  • Mud-Man - 2011-10-04 21:27

    Wham Bam....

  • cyclops - 2011-10-04 21:28

    Absolutely brilliant and watch reality play out - Archishop, many South Africans are applauding you tonight for the stance you are taking. The Dalai Lama shares the same space as Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, Mohandas Gandhi as being significant leaders of note. If I was in the ruling party I would be ashamed and be very concerned for one day you will face Judgement. No party Colours here... I am embarrassed, to say the least, to be a proud South African

      Bluffbandit - 2011-10-05 01:34

      @Cyclops impossible for ANC to feel ashamed and embaressed about anything. Bunch of arrogant idiots.

  • Ivan - 2011-10-04 21:29

    This is a turning point in the history of SA. This speech is more powerful than all the speeches made in the SA parliament for the last ten years. Tutu is standing up for democracy. He fought against white oppression, now he is fighting against black oppression. Well done, SA wake up, a new government has just been born, in less than five years the ANC will be history and will disappear like Gaddafi and Mubarak. Get ready.

      cyclops - 2011-10-04 21:35

      Agreed, today is a turning point. We must fight this corruption scourge....

      PilgrimX - 2011-10-04 21:35

      Slow down Ivan, you have to un-brainwash the masses first. Instead of giving birth to a new government, Tutu may just have lit a fuse...

      Lindo - 2011-10-05 13:30

      Ivan indeed this is democracy this is not about black or white its about South africans. we are all against oprasion as long as we have a right to vote we will use it against those wo opras us.

  • Trevor - 2011-10-04 21:29

    ANC=Employment Agency...SA is heading for Black on Black Civil War like it was between IFP & ANC in the 90's just at a much larger scale...so true what the "White" Afrikaaner Historians predicted 30/40 years ago...Blacks would rise, defeat the White National Government,Then proceed to run the country into the ground through corruption and thuggery...in the end it will turn into Black on Black outright war being driven by an elite few black men fighting for power and wealth...like every other African country has gone in the end...back to their roots...LMAO...

  • letsee - 2011-10-04 21:33

    Someone just told me that the visa was not granted because the Dalai Lama is far far far better known in the world than Zuma and all the ANC leaders put together. Is that possible?

  • tertia888 - 2011-10-04 21:35

    Dear Mr. Tutu I am supporting you in this and am praying with you.

      Axiom - 2011-10-04 22:26

      Here is the thing. Calling for revolutionary action against one's government could be seen as an act of treason. He should put his money where his mouth is in the next election. That is the civilized way.

  • James - 2011-10-04 21:35

    who made tutu our "conscience" ?

  • Vuzi - 2011-10-04 21:36

    In 1975 there were more cars in Soweto than in the Soviet Union. In 2015 there will be more rhino horns in Beijing than in Africa. Thank you National Party, Thank you ANC. The blood of the people on the streets of South Africa accuse you before Heaven ANC, it screams for justice. And justice will be had.

  • lifeisgood - 2011-10-04 21:37

    Madiba. Tu-tu. Zu-Zu. Ju-Ju. It's going the down the drain real fast... omg why can't I leave this country?

  • Ruperdo - 2011-10-04 21:41

    OOM EK HAAL MY HOED AF VIR JOU......... WELL DONE.......

  • MyWereld - 2011-10-04 21:42

    Tutu will have to go to the gym; he has a lot of walking ahead of him. Tutu, get yourself a nice big knopkierrie. What has been expressed on paper and on platforms has dissipated into the air. Time for action; luckely most streets are tarred; no dust.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-10-04 21:46

    Interesting times ahead. The ANC are not going to be able to shut Tutu up and Tutu is very miffed. Can't wait for the next episode in this saga.

  • Karen - 2011-10-04 21:48

    Archbishop Tutu, I salute you! Thank you! You always speak the truth! Sometimes we like it, sometimes we don't. But mostly we do! This is a very sad day for all of us, democratically speaking but truly a sad day for you. They choose which friends you can invite to your 80th birthday party! How did we come to this so quickly! I am so sorry! Go in peace!

  • Peter - 2011-10-04 21:48

    Dear Reverend, When you were shouting obscenities at whites, as recently as two weeks ago, we were telling you that your comrades are a corrupt bunch of thieves. In fact, they have always been, even when you were still very cosy with them and proclaimed the ANC as a religion. We knew then, as we do now - and as you seem to have finally figured out - that they are incomptent, corrupt and utterly useless savages. Remember that filthy apartheid system you travelled the world to destroy? Well, they knew back then what you have only figured out now. Welcome to the real world, Reverend (or Arch, or whatever suits your impoverished Bishopscourt lifestyle...)

      mbembe - 2011-10-04 22:41

      So you are suggesting the apartheid goverment should have stayed in power? The sooner people like you leave this country the, quicker we can work on our problems as a united people.

      Peter - 2011-10-04 22:48

      @Mbembe No, I am not saying that at all. I am just pointing to the fact that the same idiots that are the target of Tutu's ire now are the very ones which the apartheid government insisted could not be trusted to run thia country. It seems that they were right, if I am to believe the Arch. Oh, and by the way, you cannot chase me out of my own country, you buffoon. Go back to your cave now!

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 09:29

      @ Mokele Mbembe - so your idea of unity is to get rid of anyone who disagrees with you... LOL "this shouldn't be a major divisive issue" so agree with me and we won't be divided :-)

  • Gavin - 2011-10-04 21:50

    Absolutely DISCRACEFUL that Tutu can't invite his friend over for his birthday. Zuma must take his head out of the Chinese 'ar__e.

      Ronnie Jacobs - 2011-10-04 21:53

      idiotic comment!

      Parko - 2011-10-05 07:36

      @Ronnie - it is clear now that Zuma is a Chinese Butt Kisser. I wonder if those reds were even involved in the arms deal.

  • lhfick - 2011-10-04 21:50

    Archbishop we don`t even have to pray for it, for it has fallen already.

  • Carlos - 2011-10-04 21:51

    Will "pray" for the ANC's downfall, tsk tsk... Careful what you "pray" for, you might fall with them... You never fooled me either....

  • aman - 2011-10-04 21:58

    Absolutely hypocritical that a group that supposedly fought for freedom can't give a man of peace time of day. I would think that as America is everybody's enemy that we wouldn't want to piss them off by offering dictators sanctuary as we might have them and NATO bombing us soon. I'll certainly pray that your prayers are answered arch as mine don't seem to have made a difference.

  • john.brandow - 2011-10-04 21:58

    Monseur Tutu - This is Telkom here - sorry to bother you but due to this problem we have with the little devils stealing the copper wire we will no longer be able to supply you with a direct telephone line to Heaven - sorry about that

  • nvl - 2011-10-04 22:02

    Strange how this world works!? The thing you fight against is really the thing you want (for yourself) and the thing you fight for is the thing you will never get.

      Lenisto - 2011-10-04 23:24

      what is happening today in our country is absolutely nothing major compared to the previous government of the apartheid regime... just saying

      proudandpink - 2011-10-05 01:46

      @Lenisto ~ You weren't even an idea in your parents minds during apartheid, so please don't speak about things you have absolutely no knowledge of. Find out facts for yourself and don't go by what you learnt in school because that's nothing but ANCrime Syndicate brainwashing.

      Pekkie - 2011-10-05 12:22

      Proudandpink lol, yeh i find it funny they know so much about aparthied etc, They according to them had no schools, no electricity, no computers, no money to buy food let alone newspapers to follow the globe, their argument is flawed in every aspect! My Old maid (Mildrid) once told me, you musnt worry about educated people, its the ones who think they are educated that you must be suspicious of! Casting a lot of suspicion here on news24 comments!

  • Celemba - 2011-10-04 22:02

    Thank you Uncle Des. Some of us have been praying for the ANC's fall for the passed 17 years already...and for yours!

  • George - 2011-10-04 22:02

    YES MAN!! You tellem Desmond! What a man! What guts! We lift our hats to you Sir. Never a truer word spoken. I hope they shiver in their snakeskin and alligator boots, for what you are forecasting will surely come as sure as God made little green apples!

  • John - 2011-10-04 22:04

    Who is Dalai Lama?

      Vlooi - 2011-10-04 22:10

      Desmond Tutus' best friend.

      Axiom - 2011-10-04 22:15

      :-)

  • michaelp1 - 2011-10-04 22:10

    The Arch - once again calls it like it is. NO ONE LIKES THE TRUTH!!! The Old Regime and Supporters didn't like it and now the Opposite don't like it. NO ANC MP'S at your party?????

  • Mlungu - 2011-10-04 22:13

    South Africa is just the Southern most province of China - get used to it or get out.

      silvi1 - 2011-10-05 07:16

      Careful what you get used to. It might have to eat flied lice.

      Parko - 2011-10-05 09:36

      Are you a total idiot ? What do you mean get used to it ? Do you WANT these filthy reds here plundering what is ours ?

  • Gary - 2011-10-04 22:15

    Blah blah....Arch forwarding his old self agenda..just like the old days..it was you who voted ANC in...

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 11:39

      Oh grow up. So did I. The party has changed direction completely, totally losing sight of what liberation means. So what, must one continue to support it? Don't be silly.

      Axiom - 2011-10-05 12:11

      @Daaivark. Agreed, but do you actually believe Tutu? He will never, ever vote for another party. It is not the ANC way. Total loyalty. He is annoyed because he will not have an A-list celeb at his party.

  • Yolisile - 2011-10-04 22:16

    Most of the comrades are diverting the main theme the fallen comrades were fighting for, the constitution,freedom for all. Very dissapointing that SA can be pressured by the other countries, Madiba spoke against USA when it attacked iraq an that is a powerfull country.

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 11:40

      YES Yolisile!

  • mskittylicious - 2011-10-04 22:17

    Don't mess with my Tutu!

      Samantha - 2011-10-05 07:08

      Haha.

  • Nzx - 2011-10-04 22:19

    A bit rich coming from a jet setter who says nothing about the real SA disgrace, sanctioned by his mate Mandela, the SA squatter camp, those little beauties in which the majority of SA non white youths grow up. First focus on your own back yard Tuts, one black half naked starving kid in the squatter zone is no less important than the DL, you would be more productive making a fuss about them.

  • bugsie - 2011-10-04 22:26

    Well done Tutu. This is a turning point in history. The realization of a corrupt government bowing to Chinese influence.

  • Sandy - 2011-10-04 22:32

    Archbishop Tutu has most of his life been a voice of conscience .. sure he has had lapses , but thats a human trait .. he has been vilified by the Nats in his time , and also by the misruling ANC for at times challenging them .. His anger at this snub to the Dalai Lama is understandable .. as per usual the ANC choose the wrong bedmates .. sadly so it seems the chinese along with the Guptas etc have already moved into the Govt buildings and seem to dictate .. join him in prayer to save this country from these idiots that seem to think they can run a country ..

  • Robschele - 2011-10-04 22:32

    The ANC cannot stand up for their principles. Actually they haven't got any principles. They supported Gaddafi right until the end. Probably thought he is going to win again. Same as Mugabe that kicked the Libyan ambassador out off Zimbabwe when they put up the new freedom flag. Now Zuma and Mugabe must crawl to the new Libyan government and beg for oil. The wheel is turning.