Welcome aboard the gravy train

2011-09-18 19:00

Johannesburg - If you are a public servant and want to get rich, join the ­National Youth Development Agency (NYDA).

A City Press investigation has revealed that the agency’s staff will earn an average ­salary of R517 000 each this ­financial year, prompting one of its directors to admit that it was nothing more than an ANC Youth League-dominated “gravy train”.

The investigation has shown that NYDA staff earn on average significantly more than most of the employees of 14 other similar public entities surveyed.

The agency also leaves other government departments in the shade in terms of average costs per job.

The NYDA, shrouded in controversy after it spent R100m on a youth festival in December last year and over the close links of its staff with the youth league, will receive R1.2bn over the next three years from the Treasury.

Treasury national budget documents show that each of the agency’s 339 staff ­members earned R430 000 on ­average last year.

The Treasury allocated R187.5m for salaries for 363 staff members for the ­current financial year: an average salary of R517 000 per ­employee.


NYDA chief executive ­Steven Ngubeni, whose yearly income of R1.8m is the same as that of a Cabinet minister, charged that City Press’ information, which was published by the Treasury and signed off by the Presidency, was “fraught with errors and misconception”.

Ngubeni said that in the previous financial year, the agency had 433 people – 94 more posts than were approved in the Treasury documents – and had paid them an average of R322 269 yearly.

But NYDA director Francois Slabber conceded to City Press that managers in the agency earn “far too much”.

Asked whether the agency was a gravy train, he said: “It had all the potential not to be one, but it is one now.”

Slabber, an independent board member, gets a yearly stipend of R378 000 for spending about five days a month on agency business, ­although he says it is “sometimes more”.

Slabber said since 2009 the agency had lost several of its “brightest stars” who are currently being replaced with “ANC
Youth League members who are not such bright stars”.

The chief operations officer of the agency, 33-year-old Magdalene Moonsamy, earns R1.2m. She is also a youth league spokesperson.

The agency’s chairperson, Andile Lungisa, earns R790 000 a year. He is also an executive member of the youth league and its former deputy president.

Until recently Ngubeni was the deputy secretary general of the league.


City Press attempted to ­determine the discrepancies between the Treasury figures provided by the Presidency and Ngubeni’s figures.

The Presidency referred enquiries to the agency. Ngubeni said the Treasury did not determine their budget for them.

A Treasury spokesperson said that the accounting officers of public entities did have discretion on the use of appropriated funds, but the agency would have to account for why there was a change in what they had signed off on.

This was in terms of what had been planned for personnel and what the audited outcome was.

NYDA employees earn on average more than most public servants in national departments, but Ngubeni said a ­fairer comparison would be with similar public entities.

City Press obtained the figures for 14 entities from published Treasury documents.

For the current financial year, only Competition Commission employees have a higher average salary than the agency’s staff - R574 000 yearly compared to the ­agency’s R517 000.

The NYDA’s average salary was larger than that of agencies like the national credit regulator, Nedlac, the CSIR, Productivity SA and the ­National Gambling Board, among others .

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-18 14:29

    no comments comrades? nice salaries for partying

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-09-18 23:10

      pity. i know people with Masters in Genetics getting less than 180k / year. This is exactly whats wrong with this place, an no amount of azanian bulls@#t can try and explain that otherwise. So go gravy pigs, the day the train derails is coming closer.

      Spyker May - 2011-09-18 23:45

      I have commented about the NYDA for at least two years - being called every name under the sunny SAcan sun... This 'fund' was created by Zuma himself - eg the National Treasury has absolutely NO control over it, Pravin Gordhan always directs questions "to the President". Apart from the insane 'salaries' being (effectively) paid directly to the ANCYL - iow hard-working tax-payers are funding the parasitic ANCYL, under direct threat of fascist state sponsored armed aggression (ie don't pay tax, resist arrest and see for yourself), around 90% of the 'loans' made by the NYDA NEVER (yes NEVER) gets repaid..! Many of the recipients regularly comment here. I will not be surprised, if a measurable amount of the above mentioned 'loans', find its way to the beneficiary of a certain TRUST FUND - it stands to reason... The deputy Public Protector recently commented, the corruption being uncovered, is less than 1% of what is happening in SA. I am prepared to say without hesitation, in less than 15 years of post-Mandela-ANC-rule, they have made SA the most corrupt place in the known universe (constructively so)... Only two questions remain: a. What is the DA doing - they said, all we have to do, is vote... b. Where are the (Western) countries that placed sanctions on the NP government and who have effectively created the crime-ridden, corrupt basket-case that is SA today..? Is THE GREAT TAX REVOLT the only rational option that we have..?

      leonard - 2011-09-19 06:34

      @gatvol.... Maybe someone can answer a couple of questions for me.Who sets the salaries. Who monitors the payment of salaries.Who has oversight and control over loans etc.Who gives direction to tasks (if any) performed by this group.Answer these questions and maybe an end can be made to this fiasco and waste of public funds.PS....would love to have the income for myself.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-19 06:39


      Brewster - 2011-09-19 07:52

      @ Wa-Azania: You ask how much would be reasonable? Wel, for the work they do, how about nothing?

      RichardS - 2011-09-19 09:21

      This headline is actually a bit misleading. I just went on to the National Youth Development Agency website: Try some basic research before you comment. The salary scales are actually low when compared to entities which manage and disburse project finance or start-up or on-going business funding, or are involved with skills development. Where, today can you find a business analyst or a fund manager for less than R700,000 or the head of an organisation like this for less than R1,2m?? You also cannot compare the salaries to bureaucrats and civil servants in other department? That, being said, if the funding is not dispursed in accordance with the fund's mandate or funds are not properly accounted for, or the fund is msmanaged, then this should be investigated... An audit would take less than a week.

      Steen - 2011-09-19 09:39

      This things happened everywhere, Private sectors pays white employees much more than black employees regardless of qualification and experience.

      DW - 2011-09-19 09:59

      RichardS, if you could call these youngsters business analysts or fund managers, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. But these are YOUTH, mostly with no qualifications and even less experience. These youngsters are being paid more than many qualified, experienced people in private enterprise. What are they bringing to the table? R100m kissing parties and some home industry type business funding. And Zuma is giving them a few billion over the next few years?!!! No wonder Malema is fighting for his position - cant afford not to be on this gravy train.

      Spyker May - 2011-09-19 11:08

      RichardS and Steen.., You are both as clueless as coots..! Private sector salaries are measured against tangible results - ultimately profitability that in turn translates into efficiency, productivity and in effect the maximisation of inputs (viz attain the max output for min input) - ie the fundamental law of nature- and ultimately the universe and the reason laissez faire capitalism (or whatever euphemism gives you a kick) will always/forever win (it is a simple fact of life). The NYDA is NOTHING of the above - not even remotely and as such there is NO other place in the universe it will survive, bar SA, where a black nationalist fascist regime is till milking the cash-cow handed to them by the European who took it from a wasteland to a grandstand, while they did little more than their utmost to destroy it. “...You also cannot compare the salaries to bureaucrats and civil servants in other department?...” WHY NOT..? Where in the private sector would you get a (so-called) “business analyst or fund manager” who gets absolutely ZERO return on near 90% of his/her investment..? Such a person will be unceremoniously kicked into touch in ZERO seconds flat... You are dreaming of having cheesecake and chops, on the Martian polar caps, RichardS... cont. below..,

      Spyker May - 2011-09-19 11:09

      “...Private sectors pays(sic) white employees much more than black employees regardless of qualification and experience...” WHAT A RECKLESS LOAD OF TRASH. ONLY in SA, Illiterate black graduates are paid exuberant salaries, just because they are black. Stop puffing so much on da peace-pipe – “dit maak daardie kop soos die STEEN dink”

      Shukran - 2011-09-19 11:13

      @k1dbl4ck Surely people with masters in genetics earn more than R15 000 a month! If not, why the hell didnt they do something else?

      RichardS - 2011-09-19 12:36

      Good point Spyker May, but, excluding the first sentence ( :), you were doing well in the second paragraph and 5th paragraph, until you lost me with the neo-fascist racist rhetoric in the 3rd. And the Martian cheesecake and chops thing...

      DW - 2011-09-19 13:21

      @ Shukran - not all qualifications pay huge salaries. R15k/m is a reasonable salary - not massive, but not peanuts - and if that is what the market dictates in that career, then that is what it is. Most people who earn much, much more than this have very specialised skills eg CA's, specialists etc. The trouble with the ANCYL and politicians, is they make you believe that you can earn massive amounts of money with minimal effort. There is nothing wrong or shameful in being middle class.

      AmandaWhereTo - 2011-09-19 14:08

      At RichardS. I am a qualified business analyst and I get R200 000k a year. Bit lower than R700 000 dontcha think?

      Dirk du Plessis - 2011-09-19 18:00

      I Hope they pay maximum tax on their income- When the train de-rails the taxpayers money will be needed....

  • Wille-Als - 2011-09-18 14:39

    Sa is such a joke, what, a waste of time that country has become

      alainheidtmann - 2011-09-18 21:02

      They should change it to the National BLACK youth development agency because whites do not get any funding!

      Beam me up - 2011-09-18 21:05

      What a fcvking disgrace, hard earning tax payers monies are pissed away on another defunct government fcvk-up. The ANC is the worst government in the world. I certainly will use all avenues not to pay tax to this government.

      E.Nuff - 2011-09-18 21:14

      A quote:"I'm 76. Except for brief period in the 50's when I was doing my National Service, I've worked hard since I was 17. Except for some serious health challenges, I put in 50-hour weeks, and didn't call in sick in nearly 40 years. I made a reasonable salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, it looks as though retirement was a bad idea, and I'm tired. Very tired. I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it. I'm tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of all parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I'm tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor. I'm really tired of people who don't take responsibility for their lives and actions. I'm tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.Yes, I'm damn tired. But I'm also glad to be 76.. Because, mostly, I'm not going to have to see the world these people are making. I'm just sorry for my granddaughter and her children. Thank God I'm on the way out and not on the way in." -Bill Cosby

      E.Nuff - 2011-09-18 21:21

      NYDA are a racist group of black nationalists, with their noses in the trough. I'm tired of paying the salaries of these racists with my tax money, while they vomit their disgusting racist bile, blaming everyone but themselves for their alleged disadvantaged status. They threaten to steal my investments, my land, all because of my skin clolour, but then claim that they are not racist?! Go figure?! Enough already with the political correctness, tell it like it is: ANCYL are racist, are threatening lawlessness, exhibit no respect for the judiciary, for fellow citizens, and demand preferentiall treatment. "Enough", I say. I will not tolerate this any longer.

      RichardS - 2011-09-19 09:27

      Dear Wille-Als: You should criticize the issue, not SA. In an effort to assist you, however, if you don't like it in SA, then leave. Herewith the steps in the emigration application process: Step 1: Identify new country; Step 2: Walk to that country's consulate or take a taxi there; Step 3: Obtain permanent residence, work permit or similar application: Step 4: Find crayon, and fill out form (ensuring correct spelling of key information), Step 5: Request emigration interview appointment; Step 6: Wait for approval of application; Step 7: Apply for passport; Step 8: Buy one-way plane ticket for self (and loved ones) to destination; Step 9: Quit job, sell car, sell household goods, and your property (if you have any); Step 10: Find logistics company to ship what’s left of the above to your new country; Step 11: Obtain ride to Airport; Step 12: Wave good-bye, leave Springbok Jersey in SA; Step 13: Make a new life for yourself in new country. Don't look back.... and negatively access this forum, and rationalise your decision to leave in the freezing rain in London...

      AJ2 - 2011-09-19 10:12

      @Richard S - How immature? Was that supposed to be humour? Come on man..

      Anon - 2011-09-19 12:14

      Nice one Richard$, keep the brain-farts coming you idiot

      umlaut - 2011-09-19 12:24

      @e.nuff--Think of the possibilities and the massive planning that can be done to move 5m people of an undesirable race to other countries in a very short time of say 3 years. Some funds can be generated via television reality shows and advertising.--- The first massive migration after the 2nd world war.--! If you are going to waste your taxes on ignorant youth and corruptionists you might just as well spend it on a venture with a future. You can still do business here but it it is a venture to get families out. Eventually the businesses will be nationalised in any case, and then all whites will be forced to leave.

      DW - 2011-09-19 13:23

      Richard all you have proven is that you know how to copy and paste. Not very bright, are you?

      RichardS - 2011-09-19 16:03

      AJ2, it was my attempt to assist negative South Africans on their way to finding a new home. But, was it the leaving the Springbok jersey behind attempt at humour that you did not like? Because, let me tell you, there is nothing more sad and pathetic than a wet ex South Efrikan walking around London or St. Andrews in the rain with a pirate Springbok jersey from SA ... on his/her way back to the bachelor flat of 6 ex-South Efrikan roomates - some of them are probably posted on this thread today...

      Pennylope - 2011-09-19 22:03

      RichardS. I feel a bit sorry for you right now. Another one who is desperate to leave but nowhere else wants you. Can see through your comments.

      RichardS - 2011-09-20 10:11

      Penelope, we seem to have many people, both male and female, on this forum with clairvoyant and extra sensory perception powers. As one of them, you are truly fortunate...

  • zaatheist - 2011-09-18 19:37

    The ANC cadres are concerned about job creation ........ but only their own jobs.

      Danel - 2011-09-19 11:31

      Zaatheist, a job is where you ACTUALY do something CONSTRUCTIVE !!!!! What do these PARASITES do??????????????????????????????

  • michael.hambidge - 2011-09-18 19:48

    and we all sit at home reading this on the net , moan, compain about this country...revolution is nigh! and watch all these fat cats start immigrating to perth. its their time to feed, the race card for poverty and lack of opportunity and other social problems its starting to wear thin and the true colour of the card is going to be revealed like a worn down picture..

      Almaki - 2011-09-19 09:13

      I doubt that Perth would want them..

  • RobertKay - 2011-09-18 20:02

    How to do nothing importan and get stinking rich. A bunch of uneducated "youth" who have found holes in the system and is living it up on our tax money! Sickening.

  • 4skin - 2011-09-18 20:03

    Well-done ma-boys,they ate all the meat and now they are crying for a gravy. Fill your pockets to last for even the next coming 5 generations,it is the only way WE WILL overcome inequality and poverty.They counteracted the BEE strategy come up with an alternative.AND DO NOT ASK ME WHO ARE THEY.

      Albo - 2011-09-19 09:13

      Ummmmmm....did you not read how much they are STEALING??? Doesn`t sound like "inequality and poverty" to me.

      Gail - 2011-09-19 10:54

      @4skin. I take it you're NOT a tax payer, more than likely one of the "pigs at the trough" If you were paying towards the upkeep of the country i.e. paying tax, you're an idiot to be happy with the government splashing out on luxuries with your hard earned money.

      umlaut - 2011-09-19 12:37

      mal1--read 4skin--his name says it all-- he is saying what they are doing for the youth--they are sucking the system and stuffing their own pockets and the youth that needs it is still studying by candle light in a shack. He is one of those that thinks wealth is falling from the sky. Imagine 30 million 4skins thinking like that then SA has got 2 years to survive. If mass migration is done in a well planned way then we can pull the tax carpet right from under their feet.

      DW - 2011-09-19 13:25

      4skin is one of those earning fat bucks for picking his nose, which is why he is so gleeful.

  • mal1 - 2011-09-18 20:10

    only one question that needs an answer: What has the NYDA done for the national youth?

      Shukran - 2011-09-19 11:22

      Are you sure it is not NADA, cause that answers your question. As has been said before - audit the MoFos

      Danel - 2011-09-19 11:33

      Love to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Boerseun - 2011-10-09 11:03

      No, the right question is; What have they done to add value to the tax payer as it us who in effect pay them?

  • braamc - 2011-09-18 20:10

    Partly funded by the Lotto. Thieving criminals. The people on the ground is gonna burn this country, carry on eish eish eish.

      4skin - 2011-09-18 20:13

      If you gamblers do not know what to do with your money,someone will spend it for you.

      Dave - 2011-09-18 20:34

      4skin your lack of intelligence astounds me.Politicians and their cadres steal money with impunity on a daily basis and you support this. The public protector Ms Madonsela has stated that if the corruption continues as it is South Africa will be bankrupt in no time. As, by the sounds of your idiotic mutterances, you are not able to comprehend this in that tiny little brain of your let me speel it out for you. No more social grants, no more free water and elctricity allowances, no more RDP houses. Even less maintenance on roads, hospitals and no more NHI and public pension. Think about that before you continue to support the corrupt practises

      4skin - 2011-09-18 21:24

      Dave, "No more social grants, no more free water and elctricity allowances, no more RDP houses. Even less maintenance on roads, hospitals and no more NHI and public pension". This is what empowered you and your friend when NP was in power. Now let us have a breather, do not be jealous.At-least 10 more years will cover 3/4 of what you stole. I do not want to list all the companies and individuals who benefited from the fraud performed by NP just before 1994, if you want their names make your own research or ask your parents,I suspect you were not born yet. We will openly fill our pockets.Is it not what some of you did?

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-19 07:38

      @4skin You cannot fill your pockets by taking from a minority, you noobcake.

      Old Man - 2011-09-19 08:15

      I think 4skin's name says it all...

      mdd - 2011-09-19 09:47

      @ 4skin. You name said it all you are the bit that gets chucked away. Just remember two wrongs don’t make it correct. At least the NP (which is now part of the ANC, remember kortbroek) hid it better. Abnd I did not steal anything.

      joe2110 - 2011-09-19 10:13

      @4skin When a person has an IQ of 70 to 80 they are classified as borderline retarded. At this IQ level they have the unfortunate inability to to be unable to recognize or be embarrassed by the magnitude of their own stupidity. Nevertheless take fortitude from the fact that even at this pathetic level you are still safely above the average of your peer group.

      Danel - 2011-09-19 11:41

      @4skin. How Sad is it that we have to be stuck with IDIOTS like you. If you are on the gravy train, save your money because you will need it in around 3 year's time. We will not be paying the same amount of taxes any longer. do I have to spell it out? you moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ian - 2011-09-18 20:12

    please dont feed the sheepish troll, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • Durbsdude - 2011-09-18 20:14

    No such bright!!!! I could not have said it better myself.

  • Dave - 2011-09-18 20:14

    maybe us whities should all leave SA. no more income tax and lets see where these "sheep" and "4skin" idiots will be then. I am apalled by the lack of logic and decsion making that u idiots have.

      4skin - 2011-09-18 21:25

      bugger off!!

      4skin - 2011-09-18 22:34

      edals, don't make us believe you are doing that to your dog also.

      Janine - 2011-09-19 09:28

      @4skin Let's take an example - a white man owns a factory that employs 100 people. He decides to leave, taking all of his money with him. 100 people are now unemployed. Each of those people has 3 family members who depend on them so 400 people in total are affected. If every white family left and took their money the effect would be catastrophic. Is this so hard to understand?

      Ron-ny - 2011-09-19 10:17

      @RichardS-Please go Fu*k yourself. If only it was that simple, but it is not. Weather you like it or not, you are stuck with us whites, but then again it is too much for a riffak of your intelligence to understand.

      Daemos1 - 2011-09-19 11:49

      Bye dave, enjoy your new life as a Thai lady-boy

      RichardS - 2011-09-19 12:47

      Ron-ny, I do not want to get rid of whites. I want to get rid of pre-historic neanderthal racist idiots like you, Scorpion, Dave, Cliff-arc, sipholess, and others who don't want to be here in SA anyway. Speaking of intelligence, I also think the spelling you were looking for is "whether", genius. You should learn to spell before posting a comment, or at least use spell check. In terms of using the "K-word" in reverse, is that you, Darren Scott?? I thought there was only 1 white guy in SA still using the "K-word."

      RiRo1 - 2011-09-19 14:06

      @RichardS What is wrong with someone wanting to save their family? It's the people that believe this country will come right, that has something wrong with them. It's okay if you made your peace with being a murder victim, but I will not. I have already seen what it does to a family when a man is murdered for nothing : no cellphones or money or cars were stolen. They were going to rob the house and decided instead to to kill the oldest son. The next door neighbours : Both women raped in house, oldest son killed, youngest son shot in back. (paralyzed now). Dad had to watch. Nothing stolen. Yes, this country is a peach!

      RichardS - 2011-09-19 16:19

      RiRo1, that is really really terrible. We should advocate for the harshest possible penalties in such cases, including the ultimate death penalty... But, I don't want to generalise and say all people in South Africa are like that, although it is no consolation to that poor poor family. Let's look out for each other as neighbours, continue to mobilise in our communities, community police forums and community forums, and make a difference and stamp this out. While also continuing to reach out to the poor and helping to uplift South Africans where we can.

  • Dave - 2011-09-18 20:18

    sheep if africans are so peaceful explain the demographics of prisons - WORLDWIDE

  • Alan - 2011-09-18 20:24

    Sheep.... Is he just a dumb animal? A follower not a leader? The black sheep of News24?

  • Alan - 2011-09-18 20:30

    Sheep....Your people settled and colonised from the north no earlier than 1652 - the big difference is who created what.

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  • Davearch - 2011-09-18 21:00

    If it wasn't for the 'whities' there would only be the ZULU and the whites left in this country !!! According to my history books the ZULU slaughtered many a tribe that was in the way !!

      Towtruck - 2011-09-18 21:42

      We should have let them be, then we would not have had all this trouble.

  • edalsg - 2011-09-18 21:56

    PIGS CAN FLY !!!!!!1

  • Ruben32 - 2011-09-18 22:02

    I also want some gravy ek se so I can drive a black range rover and pick up some ho's.

  • janet rae - 2011-09-18 23:02

    Poor sheep, shame, the average black man won't get a penny from your president in waiting, fact and figures speak for themselves, and all the roads and bridges he built didnt stand the test of time, oh dear, you will see the light one day

  • James - 2011-09-19 04:41

    SICK puppies!

  • GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-19 07:54

    Yet fatboy Julius keeps on campaigning for "economic freedom". This alone will give any person enough reason to beat down the entire ANCYL and leave their bloody arses out in the desert.

      TheUgly - 2011-09-19 09:02

      Julius is just blowing bubbles. If the ANC takes over the farms and mines mass famine and financial crisis will follow.

      DW - 2011-09-19 13:28

      Fatboy only wants his own economic freedom. He couldnt care less about the others, except in as much as they can help him to skim off even more money

  • Esperanza - 2011-09-19 08:03

    They earn more than people working at the CSIR? Are you kidding me? So I worked hard, got my BSc cum laude, became an intern, planning on doing my honours soon after saving most of my (small) intern salary, with the goal of someday becoming a researcher there and being at the forefront of South African science and innovation....and some loudmouth who probably has no intention of fulfilling his mandatate is earning more than me? So why did I spend all those nights studying, why did I stay at campus in the computer lab over long weekends while everyone partied? Oh yeah, because I can't do anything half assed, what's the point of starting something without giving it your best? But it's not fair, is it? And ja we all know life isn't fair, but come on. At least I will still be able to make a living. What about the youth this agency is supposed to benefit, youth who probably have not even heard of them because they are too busy not attending school because they are rearing their younger siblings in a child-headed household?

      Danel - 2011-09-19 11:53

      We in the same boat. Only diff. I employ 22 People. Why do I still stay. I love this country. I want to make it work. But even I have second thoughts. Maybe NZ & AUS is not so bad.

      DW - 2011-09-19 13:31

      Esperanza, keep it up. You WILL succeed in the long run. And when the gravy has all been mopped up and the lazy pigs at the trough are fat, they will lie down and wait for the trough to be filled again. But by then people like you will have done the hard yards and will be able to take your skills anywhere in the world. By the time the pigs have realised that the trough fillers are all gone and they have nothing left, they wont even be able to kill each other off for a bit of bacon. They will eventually roll over and die - it may take a few decades, but it is coming. In the meantime, just make sure that you build a work ethic and experience that is a saleable commodity anywhere in the world that you want to go.

  • Marete Marete - 2011-09-19 08:38

    People get ready there's a train don't need no ticket you just get on board...

      DW - 2011-09-19 13:32

      Yes you do. Its a green, yellow and black one.

  • Nkalakatha - 2011-09-19 08:53

    What exactly are they doing to justify an entity like this ???? One never hear of how many young people they have helped etc etc. Such huge salaries for sitting on their back sides and do actually nothing?? This is nothing else than window-dressing for the masses !!

  • TheUgly - 2011-09-19 08:58

    This country has so much potential. It's really depressing to see how these hooligans have messed up everything for everyone except themselves.

  • mSholozi - 2011-09-19 09:32

    the NYDA help us youth for future job, they need the money to create job

      Alpha - 2011-09-19 10:11

      How many jobs have they created (outside their own exclusive little fountain of wealth)? Let me give you a clue: less than your IQ. From your comment I gather that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

      Alpha - 2011-09-19 10:12

      Please comment. I need a little comic relief this morning...

      Serias - 2011-09-19 10:34

      Ja,thats exactly why so many are unemployed!!!!!!!!!! In fact,ask your president how many jobs have actually been lost in the past 5 years. Eish Weeena, wake up!!

      Danel - 2011-09-19 11:56

      mSholozi, they do WHAT WITH THE MONEY? Name 1(Yes only one) job they creared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      AJ2 - 2011-09-19 13:04

      Naivety - SA's biggest killer.

      Boerseun - 2011-10-09 11:04

      No, they actually steal our tax money to pay themselves.

  • Gibbonater - 2011-09-19 09:33

    Flithy scum. Capitilism suits them when they want it to or should we call it sponging off the taxpayer.

  • Dayat Atime - 2011-09-19 09:40

    That would be a R5k/pm salary for 3000 odd unemployed people per year. They are literally stealing from the youth while claiming to have their best interests at heart. How proud you must all be.

  • Realistic - 2011-09-19 09:58

    A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks?"St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie, the hands on your clock will move." "Oh,"said the man, "Who's clock is that?" "That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved indicating that she never told a lie." "Whose clock is that?" "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have only moved twice, telling us that Abraham only told two lies in his entire life." The man asked, "Where's Julius Malema's clock?" "It's in the Main office, they are using it as a FAN !!

  • a friend - 2011-09-19 10:09

    It's so sad to see some of the responses to this article. The lack of empathy & sympathy really shows just how young our democracy is. Division division division, and these comments only perpetuate division and negativity. It's so easy for us to blame blame blame, yet so difficult for us to show compassion and real understanding. Systems like apartheid give birth to new systems like black economic empowerment which will just give birth to a new system and so forth, unless you as a south african choose to stop the cycle. If you cultivate negative, it will grow and grow, the monster will grow beyond a manageable point. So that is your choice :) Peace and love. We are all equal and we are all connected, maybe one day we can change our perception so that we are united by our diversity and not divided.

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 10:15

      I agree. Well said.

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-19 12:50

      You need to stop smoking dope.

      Boerseun - 2011-10-09 11:05

      If you accept obvious evil, you will also suffer for a long time.

  • SeanK - 2011-09-19 10:09

    Viva capitalism Viva - but Malema says he wants to defeat captialism from the inside - Looks like its going to cost the taxpayer a fortune to get rid of capitalism

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 10:17

      Very tasteful swastika there. What point are you trying to make with it?

      Sanjeev - 2011-09-19 10:27

      Why the Svastika - Are you a Hindu ?

      Danel - 2011-09-19 12:00

      This is what Malema's "lying" clock in heeaven must look like

  • AJ2 - 2011-09-19 10:10

    I reckon if you set the wage at 40 rand an hour you'd get 4 times as much work done by people who also really want to make a difference. Keep on stealing, you workshy layabouts, but when the money is gone then it's gone and you are stuffed good and proper..

  • Mandla - 2011-09-19 10:12

    One more reason why the poor are still where they were 17 years ago, Its a disgrace and then they blame the white man for the poverty, I can see how the poor will eventually just take what they think they are owed! The ANC, ANCYL etc should wash their windows before they say we should clean ours, Truly a disgrace with people suffering.

  • StupidCitizen - 2011-09-19 10:13

    Now why does this not shock me. Is it because i am still getting over the 10 000 shocks i have already had concerning the blatant theft of hard earned public funds. Another organisation with jobs for pals? Remember thieves your day is comming. You reap what you sow. I hope some litterate idiots in all government departments read these comments. GET OFF YOUR FAT ASSES AND DO SOME WORK FOR YOUR MONEY. I also earn peanuts but do my job and dont steal. Its called ethics. Which majority of this country dont have. Oh i forgot it is because of poverty. Want to know who you can blame for your poverty? Your Mother for having you in the first place knowing she cant even feed herself. That is the cause of poverty. Not the white man not the colonialists not the european countries but you yourself.

  • StupidCitizen - 2011-09-19 10:17

    RichardS you forget thanks to home affairs it is almost impossible to get a visa for any well run country. So do me a favour and if you can get me one and permanent residence i will gladly leave and wont even sell my belongings i will give them away. I hate what this country has become. I dont call myself south african i call myself an Earthling note only one got the capitol letter idiot.

  • Parko - 2011-09-19 10:24

    National Young Doos Agency

  • tut - 2011-09-19 10:30

    And off course this is the reason for the info bill to be passed. Abuse of tax payers money is none of your business dear Citizen.

  • Gail - 2011-09-19 10:40

    Why do we, the taxpayer tolerate this thieving of our tax money? What role does this nyda actually play, what do we need them for? Get rid of the lot of them, they're just a bunch of uneducated, lazy bums sucking the country dry while trying to look important!!!!!

      The World is F@cked! - 2011-09-21 12:05

      GET RID OF ZUMA......we should demand a referendum on his performance in this country! Now you know why he wants the bill passed on secrecy law!!He is corrupt (arms deal) he is a rapist and has no respect for women!!!

  • Badballie - 2011-09-19 10:46

    and the tax payer get scr*&ed again, nothing new or unexpected in the "New" afik du sud

  • georgelj - 2011-09-19 10:52

    I saw an article this morning on Mandela and his connection to the Communist Party but it has mysteriously disappeared. Where can I find it on your web site?

  • Grant Hide - 2011-09-19 11:04

    Good article, people just need the names and addresses of these people.

  • Danel - 2011-09-19 11:27

    For the life of me, I do not know what these gravy PIGGS actually do. What do they produce? Do they import & sell anything? Do they have to "worry" about Debtors? If not, WTF? Even if they grow vegetables they might add to the econemy. If not, they add to the destuction of the country I am helping to build, and I might decide to seek opportunities elsewhere.

  • gallus - 2011-09-19 12:21

    Just another day in Fantasia, also known as Azania, formerly known as South Africa. Wonderfully fantastic place, not connected to reality. What I don't understand is these blacks moaning about wealthy whites? All I see around me are wealthy blacks, all collecting a fat pay check plus cars plus plus plus etc and doing absolutely nothing of any value to justify those huge sums of money dished out to them. Surely this country must be paradise for them! No wonder all the blacks from the whole of Africa want to be here! So much money and all for free! I can fully understand the blacks unhappiness with the old apartheid regime - I understand that in those days blacks actually had to work for their pay! Shame!

  • Blondemoment - 2011-09-19 12:59

    WHY is the DA so quiet? Their response to these atrocities will make the world's difference to us taxpaying, hard-working minions. Shouldn't the DA be our voice now? Very disappointing!

  • eloffler - 2011-09-19 13:06

    SET THE IFP onto all those other black mongoloids and lets have a total annihilation of them! The adaucity of them to have terrororistically got one man one vote over whites (who are the main devolpeprs of this country) is just to0,too, much! Or a ressurected Oliver Cromwell type in this country will definitely sets things into a much better situation!

  • Monster007 - 2011-09-19 13:15

    Typical 3rd world mentality. A perfect example of a primary consumer.They feed and feed and feed and one day all the feed is gone and then, EISH,what happened no more food. Never could anyone think about creating,or share with others,leave for another day.Take -consume,take -consume,even if my brothers and sisters in Zim(rest of Africa) made the same mistakes,there is no intellect to learn from their mistakes.Genius YL leader and his associates,consume and want to take all the time, he can't find new idea's,what he says has been repeated the past 80 years, no-brainer, can only repeat history,no solutions = 3rd world,idiotic,african, destructive,moronic solutions

  • Gilbert Davies - 2011-09-19 13:55

    Submit a photostat of your middle finger to e-foff.... I mean e-filing as I will be doing this e-year, as that is exactly what these idiots are showing us the tax payers with their arrogance in wasting our country's hard earned tax money. Stand your ground or be just as big an idiot in continuing to fund them!!!

  • RiRo1 - 2011-09-19 13:58

    Wow, they must have amazing degrees! Only qualified workers make that. And that is if you are a doctor or engineer in South Africa... Or something in that line. Good for them! See, if all the poverty stricken people can realize they need that qualifications, then they will also have that :-) If you work for what you want, you'll make yourself proud!

  • Zebelon - 2011-09-19 18:00

    Tax payers' money. But, for what? This is for the support of ANCYL who man that institution.

  • Zebelon - 2011-09-19 18:09

    Steen, We are talking above money for nothing, and about hard earned money from the struggling tax-payers. Do not resort to that rasist stance.