News24

Blacks fear crime more than whites

2010-12-04 14:34

Johannesburg - Whites are less fearful of crime and suffer fewer robberies than their black counterparts, a survey released on Friday said.

In 2009, Brandon Huntley caused a racial furore when he was granted asylum by Canada, citing persecution from black criminals due to his skin colour.

However, a poll by the African democracy institute Idasa, an independent think tank which questioned 2 400 people in the past 12 months, found that 21% of whites expressed fear of crime, compared to 35% of blacks.

The survey asked them, "Over the past year, how often, if ever, have you or anyone in your family feared crime in your own home?"

It also said that while more than 25% of South Africans reported house robberies in the past year, whites (11%) were less likely than all other race groups to state they were frequent victims of theft from their home.

"These findings firmly contradict suggestions that whites experience more criminal victimisation than other groups," said Idasa.

The "findings in fact show that whites are not victims of crime to a greater extent than other population groups. Fear and experience of crime are actually lowest among whites," it said.

Official crime statistics show that about 46 murders are committed daily in South Africa. Idasa, however, did not question respondents on their fears of being killed.

According to the survey, poverty and living in cities had a significant influence on fear of crime, with the poor tending to be more fearful.

Canadian authorities overturned a contentious immigration ruling that granted Huntley refugee status.

Comments
  • Jack - 2010-12-04 14:52

    just look at the fences and security whites have, we are sh1t scared, all of us are, this survey is flawed we all scared all the time!

      MJ84@24.com - 2010-12-06 09:47

      This is just a way to make black's look like the victims yet again. Next will be "whites ask for it"

      Bheki - 2010-12-06 11:42

      The fact that we (blacks) does not have high fences is because of affordability and not that we are not afraid of crime.

      The Patriot - 2010-12-06 13:10

      The black's may be more fearful as they dont always have the means to protect their homes and family. It does not mean the survey is accurate. There is a portion of the black population that are out to kill whitey and the farm murders are testament to that. The majority of South Africans are not criminals however those that are (sorry but almost all are black) commit seriously violent crimes. Only the majority will not realise that their government is to blame through the lack of decisive action and internal corruption and ineptness of the SAPS.

      Euphoria - 2010-12-07 02:33

      totally agree with you MJ84!

      LUFC - 2010-12-27 23:36

      Yes. This survey is a joke. This is the essence of how the media is twisting something. We just need the real stats to see how

  • Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 14:57

    I doubt these numbers. Show me a detailed peer reviewed PDF, or have a company like Deloitte look at the numbers and express their opinion. If you live in a security complex and take all precautionary measures like an inch think solid steel bedroom door you would feel "safe" in your own home. Add to that all the measures relative wealth can afford, like a security system, guard dogs.. The poll should ask, what security measures do you take to keep your home safe, like armed response? Then you will get a straight answer from white South Africans. 46 murders a day, incl. homicides its 79 violent deaths a day, which they fail to mention. Also, why ask people who choose to remain in South Africa about crime, the +-1 million expats who left, left because of crime for the most part. There you have almost 20% already. Those who remain think they're safe (or can't leave). Personally I had about 4 crime events the past 2 years in South Africa. News24 should have an online poll?

      colafantacervezabeer - 2010-12-04 16:08

      @Kolobe - when was the internet created and when did it came into use in SA and when was Verwoerd a SA idol? Don't ask people if the have a brain and then make such a stupid statement

      Snoek - 2010-12-04 16:10

      Kolobe, I agree on the on the online poll issue, but I don't trust the Idasa poll either. I would like to see the breakdown of the people questioned. 2400 people out of 50Mil people? mmm

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 20:38

      @kolobe I know online polls are not representative, but surveying people in Orania will also create an invalid result. Surveying people in Santon who live in fortresses (they have security comparable to that of embassies) also creates an invalid result. Surveying people who remained in South Africa despite crime, will create an invalid result. Surveying people who open their doors for those administrating the questionnaire, will also create an invalid result, there was no way such people would get me out of the safety of my house. If you're going to compare people who live in townships, compare apples with apples and go to a poor white community or white commercial farmers. Last time there was a poll that allowed cellphone entries Mandela was outclassed, maybe the people who voted realised how many deaths he caused and that he led a militant terrorist organisation which has not sworn of violence and still encourage it. I know an online poll won't be scientific, but the numbers don't make any sense, therefore I don't trust it.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 20:41

      Many expats, left after terrible crime experiences, the survey should ask those who fled also.

      Nicko Minaj - 2010-12-06 07:47

      @Snoek, please don't comment on Statistics if you have no knowledge of research and sampling methods. Would you rather they question all 50 million people, instead of 2400. How long would that take? Who would finance it? Come on now.

      StoneThrower - 2010-12-06 09:37

      Wow<, Authur just because this survey and a not a poll mentioned something contrary to minority belief that they are the victims of crime, you don’t believe it. But you’re the first to copy and paste sum bullsh#t crime tats from some website??? This just shows the mentality of white south afrians when the truth is staring them right in the faces they will never accept it unless it points fingers to the black men

      Prophet - 2010-12-06 10:07

      snoek, I agree. nicko minaj you is suffering from poepolism.... survey amongst .00% of the population is a case of poepolism, which you is are member off

      Snoek - 2010-12-06 10:15

      @Nicko Minaj, read my comment again carefully. A sample of at least 10000 people would be more reasonable. 2400 is hardly a reasonable sample. You claim to know all about stats and yet you agree that a sample of 2400 people is reasonable?

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 11:13

      @author phili. you are so right! im also waiting to see how many whites are going to leave, after grandparents were caught making children porno in pretoria.or doesn't it count cause they are white!

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 13:39

      @patriot.Paedophiling is a common ocurence in the white community, thats my point.

      trevor - 2010-12-06 13:51

      @ Mashishiv, Having sex with a child cures AIDS... how many children were raped because of that? You know as well as I do, which demographic believed this ridiculous story... If you want to start stereotyping, you are in for a rough ride...

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 14:57

      @trevor.aids hasn't being long since it was discovered, crimes arround the aids theories are just resent,but paedophiling has been part of the white man's dirty linens for centuries. all the articles of farthers inpregnating their daughters were white men, in short, all the heinous sex crimes invlove white men. is this rough enough for you?P.S England is the world capital of paedophiles and majority of citizens are whites!

      gmck21 - 2010-12-06 15:08

      @MASHISHIV and you dont think pheodophilia occurs in townships?? wake up you f@#king tool. 6-13 year olds are raped and molested in black areas daily. you cannot say its common amongst whites just because its not called "PHEODOPHILIA" in your culture. ALOT more disturbing and sick thing happen to yountg balck kids. yes they also happen to white kids but the fact is ALOT more black kids are raped killed and have their balls chopped to make muti. its a fact deal with it

      Logic_Bomb - 2010-12-06 15:36

      @mashishi once again you've staked your claim as my nomination for poster boy for a global birth control campaign. AIDS hasn't been around long? Crimes around the AIDS theories are recent? bwahahahahaha you are a total, blithering idiot! At least the whites in Cape Town haven't abandoned 500 of our babies by dumping them in sewers, etc. I can go on and on and on, but it's all over your ANC indoctrinated brain. Do us all a favour and remove yourself from the gene pool please.

      The Patriot - 2010-12-06 16:13

      @ Mashishiv, Ummm you know this how? What we do know it that your tribal sangomas chop up babies for muti, we do know that babies get gang raped in the rural communities, we do know that when you go home you leave your BMW, put on a blanket and eat pap with your hand. We also know that 1 in 3 men in this country are rapists. Given a male population of 25 million black men, 8.3 million of you are guilty. That is more then the entire white population in this country. nice stats hay?

      Nicko Minaj - 2010-12-07 09:00

      @Prophet: Go play outside, the elders are busy @Snoek: I never said I know all about stats, but I know what I know, which is clearly much more than you. If you have a population of 45million and you need a confidence level of 95% at confidence intervals of 10, you can achieve this with a sample size of a mere 96 subjects(people). Mind you, this is only an opinion poll, not even an empirical study. We are talking about Idasa here, an institution which dedicates its existence to research. When they need to know who is going to win the elections and by what margin, they simply take a sample of no more 1000 from a population of 45 million, and with same sample they predicted that the ANC is going to be outright winner, much to demise. What's the difference between your proposed sample of 10 000 and theirs of 2400, except that a 10000 sample slightly reduces the margin of error. How did you come up with that 10 000 sample, sucked it up?

      kolobe - 2010-12-07 09:24

      why was my comment removed?racism on the internet?what is vulgar about raising an issue about internet polls?

  • veld66 - 2010-12-04 14:57

    It has been a well known fact that communities in disadvantaged areas suffer more from crime than people living in exclusive areas. Its a pity in South Africa the foolish stereotypes think that the so called Whites are the only victims to crime! I am completely not surprised White South Africans are so disconnected from other races in the country that they actually do not understand what happens in Soweto, Gugulethu or in Umlazi, there is a common thinking amongst the South African s white Race that criminals target them most which is a load of bul........sh...t! this study is completely accurate!

      Martin - 2010-12-04 15:11

      And I suppose that black crime victims in the townships are also tortured in the most hideous of ways?

      veld66 - 2010-12-04 15:40

      Crime is crime.....whatever happens!

      colafantacervezabeer - 2010-12-04 16:13

      @Martin - the torture and murder you refer to is horrible and on a separate level, but your chances of being shot or stabbed or just robbed are more likely in a township and more likely when you are not white. But the survey failed to monitor the fear of being murdered and 2400 out of 50 000 000 is not nearly enough people to make their conclusions valid or even worth publishing

      Martin - 2010-12-04 18:36

      @colafantacervezabeer - I disagree. Because more black people get murdered, does not mean that if you are black your chances of being murdered is higher. It's a simple math equation, really. The death rate per 100,000 of Afrikaner farmers is much higher than for black township dwellers.

      colafantacervezabeer - 2010-12-04 19:18

      @Martin - I agree with you, but a murder rate and crime rate is separate things, while murder is a bigger problem under white farmers, lower level crime are more common for people living in townships, and if you take averages of all types of crime, black people are more affected. I do by no means agree with the research done by Idasa as it is biased. Of coarse white people feel safer in their homes because they have safer homes, and mostly safer neighborhoods. And 2400 people are way to little to make a conclusion. But the biggest thing is your point, it is murder that make people live in fear, not house robberies, and did they ask do you feel safe outside of your home?

      Lionel - 2010-12-06 08:30

      No one stated that Blacks or any other race was less affected by crime, moron. In actual numbers, Blacks would be far more affected by crime when they acoount for 80% of the population, however findings from a survey that represented 2400 respondents, is nothing to go by, when approximately only 192 of those respondents where white. It is also a fact that of the 46 murders that occur on average per day, most are black people that are murdered by black people. I think you should go back to school and learn simple arithmaeic, 1+1=2, 2x2=4 or is this more than your stereotype IQ can handle.

  • ebdg3000 - 2010-12-04 14:58

    So what is point of this poll? What the f#$k is it supposed to prove? That crime against whites is OK then, because we're not scared? What a waste of time and money. I would've expected more from IDASA, but then again, maybe not ...

      ligte - 2010-12-06 10:54

      thats what i thought to, what is this supposed to prove????Anybody whos got a opinion about this junk plz get a job

      Xolani - 2010-12-06 12:55

      It proves that the claim by White asylum seekers is not true. If you had bothered to use your brain a bit you would have figured that out.

  • g_stevenson - 2010-12-04 14:59

    What the report does not invistigate, is the fact that white farmers are the most vistimised group of any in the entire world. 120 police officers are killed every year in SA while the farming community has a figure of 190. Safer to be a police officers than a farmer! A political agenda is at work, closely linked to land reform.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 10:59

      Yes, it's all about the fokking farmers! In the suburbs we invest heavily in security, why should it be any different for a farmer? Even if the farm is huge, the house can be fenced off & security guards paid to patrol between a few farms in the same vicinity. Is Govt supposed to this for you? Then I want my ADT paid for too!

      Xolani - 2010-12-06 13:14

      @ nuclear, lol

      Lauren - 2010-12-06 13:34

      Well, Nuclear, they do kinda feed you, so one would expect a bit more sense and/or sensitivity. Spare it though, I don't want to hear it! Try living in a country where the domestic produce drops to NIL and the country has to rely on imports for food. You'll be asking for more than your ADT to be paid for then!!!

      Liselette - 2010-12-06 16:15

      @ nuclear. Talk about being an idiot! I live in a rural area, we all have fences, mostly elctrfied, we have gates and alarms. Seeing as ADT does not want to provide armed repsonse in these areas, we have a neighboorhood watch that is in constant radio contact. We patrol our own areas, we don't sit back and ask someone else to do it. Even with all of these measures we had 4 attacks in the last two months. Thank to quick response by the COMMUNITY, not SAPS one of the gangs has been arrested. So yes it is all about the F***** farmers as you say. Don't spout venom if you have no idea what you are talking about!

      nuclear - 2010-12-07 10:44

      Liselette, read my response again, then read it again, then count to 10 to let it sink in.

  • sonnyg - 2010-12-04 15:01

    Pointless study!!!! We are all south Africans and we all fear crime. Who cares if you black or white.

      emile.marais - 2010-12-04 20:43

      Well said sonnyg. Crime is crime regardless of which race commits it the most or which race fear it the most. Crime will always be a violation.

      Lanfear - 2010-12-06 10:54

      Well said!

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 11:18

      the study was to shut up all this moaning from whites who still think they are superior to other races!lokk a huntley's case, he lied just to get laid in Canada.

  • G_MAN - 2010-12-04 15:05

    Thank you for showing the stats on crime in south africa. I'm a coloured person who has been robbed four times already. Twice with a gun and twice with a knife! My friend who is at my house today had his cell-phone stolen from him yesterday and his car tape was stolen a few months ago and he was also robbed on a train.

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 11:20

      You are a boring character!

      Lauren - 2010-12-06 13:36

      Mashman, what the hell is your problem? You are rather boring too. Pointless, sweeping racist comments delivered with some warped sense of superiority. "You are a boring character"...what a stallar comment! Your mother should be proud.

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 15:06

      @Lauren. She wouldn't be if i grew up to become a redneck like yourself.G-mans article shows how careless some idiots can be, does being coloured matter to first introduce youself as one?

      cervezab - 2010-12-06 15:42

      @mashishiv - it does, since it is an article about what races are affected by crime the most, stating your race and saying how you are affected by crime does matter. But I guess that is lost on your simple viewpoint in life

  • baasdingane - 2010-12-04 15:12

    Fewer whites fear crime because most of us have already packed our educated white arses off to other countries. JZ, Mbeki, and his band of ANC fatcats should take responsibility for their people. Crime is a side effect of poverty. Poverty occurs when governments stuff up and the ANC are clearly stuffing up. If you break it, you fix it. You may even get a few educated cashed up expats back to pay taxes, contribute and help build the country.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 20:56

      Under the ANC the HDI measures have STOPPED developing and have remained STAGNENT. Under the NP it was INCREASING AND DEVELOPING and black South Africans enjoyed a higher standard of living (if not the highest) than most other African nations. This is true pre and post 1994. Tell me, what did the black South Africans have prior to the NP and what would they have had otherwise, HIV at 26% and an average life expectancy of 32 years, like in Swaziland. Look at Lesotho and Swaziland, that would have been our South African level of development and poverty if not for the NP. Poverty is caused by having more children than your resources can afford. If my parents and their parents and their parents had 3+ children each generation, all of us would still be living in poverty.

      Subzer0 - 2010-12-06 08:04

      @Arthur, really a better quality life? Growing up with pit latrines, needing a pass to go to town, the highest qualification that my parents could attain was either a teacher or a nurse (if they passed the pencil test). The benefits i have today are just the same as yours and i never expected hand outs or being made a sup just cause of the colour of my skin. It might have been better for you but "defnisly" not for me.

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 11:23

      @baasdingane. donk forget to take with you you're paedophile friends in pretoria.and head to britain, i hear paedophiling there is a hobby for locals

      Lauren - 2010-12-06 13:39

      Mash, get a grip. Can I ask you to take that 53 year old BLACK man who raped the two toddlers away too? Can you see how truly assinine your comments are? It appears it's a hobby in your townships too. Hope you can see how ridiculous that statement is. Chances are, you probably won't though. Will probably say something stupid like: You're boring.

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 15:11

      @Lauren. To us african, this sort of things are committed by insane individuals, but to whites, its a common occurence, from priests to farthers, britain where the majority are whites, is a home for this people!

      cervezab - 2010-12-06 15:50

      @mashishiv - I have no idea why you turned this into a pedophile debate, but here is Mandla Mandela's (an african and a leader) opinion "its white man’s thing to consider age; Xhosas see when she’s ripe, negotiate with her family and take her."

      Lana123 - 2010-12-06 16:43

      mashishiv...hahaha shame dude, so ONE thing happens where a white person is involved and you have to use it to feel better about yourself? i think the reason black people are more afraid is because they live among other black people who they know might kill them. why do you think "white" areas are safer? because we don't go around killing each other for nothing. (you asked for it) and i think you actually have a low self asteem that is why you say whites think they better than blacks. we don't sit around everyday thinking about black people, i actually have a life....you're the one with the issues. and for the love of god - get a job and stop making dumbass comments on everything.

  • Pothole - 2010-12-04 15:25

    So why black people keep on voting for a gov that fail to protect them. The anc can afford to put up thousands of placards with faces and slogans during elections but cannot do the same warning the criminlas that will they will be mercilessly hunted down to stop the crime in this country. What they get is what you deserve.

      colafantacervezabeer - 2010-12-04 16:14

      @veld66 - so did the ANC, your point makes no sence

      Snoek - 2010-12-04 16:24

      Veld, so if I understand you correctly, there are only two parties in SA, one black and one white?

      G_MAN - 2010-12-04 16:32

      (Veld66)That is why i voted for DA to give another party a chance. ANC is abusing power and we all, or at least us previously disadvantaged people know what the previous polotical party did to our families.

      Mr.Glum - 2010-12-04 16:41

      @veld66. Since these statements of whites killing hordes of blacks started surfacing, many have asked for proof… again I ask, why do you say this? Please give us proof of this. Show us where it is historically documented and where are the mass graves? You have been indoctrinated by third force, or maybe ancyl propaganda, that is being used to keep whites out of government. This is the same propaganda used to mess with your minds that says that if a white becomes president, there will again be apartheid… and you all fall for that.

      Subzer0 - 2010-12-06 08:10

      @Mr Glum, just cause there is no proof of something does not nessesarily mean it did not happen. Remember who was in charge of keeping records, obviously not blacks as they were mostly illiterate. My quality of life under ANC is 1000% better then before, thank you. Having said that, i do believe that a liberation leader does not posses the abilities to transcend into a president for the country.

      mashishiv - 2010-12-06 11:31

      @Pothole. the anc did protect us against youre racist white government, and at the moment they are protecting us from being brainwashed by the DA

      Xolani - 2010-12-06 13:01

      Wow Pothole, you reckon putting a placard that tells a criminal he will be hunted down will stop him from engaging in criminal activities ? You shouldnt be allowed to vote at all dude !!! Police cannot protect citizens 24/7, there is a time when people just need to be responsible and respect other citizens properties. sadly that is what we are missing. This has nothing to do with the ANC or the Police for that matter.Unfortunately you cant blame everything on the ANC. If that was the case then the Western Cape should be crime free since its not governed by the ANC

      The Patriot - 2010-12-06 13:27

      @veld66, please boet, dont be naive. When the black population stop seeing politics as black vs white then only will this country succeed. Where do you bank? A black owned bank? Or do you and or your kids go to a school where the Master is black? You do whats best for your family and your welfare,not idle promises by supporting corrupt officials. Don't stoop that low boet, you are educated, use it wisely because your kids one day will question your wisdom.

      bumblebee - 2010-12-06 14:09

      @mashishiv: Ive been reading all the comments written under this topic ... but it seems you clearly write just for the sake of writing ... you really speak a load of nonsensical hogwash ... get a hobby!

      Euphoria - 2010-12-07 02:49

      these comments are again proof that some black people have no f*cking brain, "you reckon putting a placard that tells a criminal he will be hunted down will stop him from engaging in criminal activities" i think that its a start, rather than putting up a ugly black face on it and lying to people!

  • nicola - 2010-12-04 16:10

    Because people in townships can afford electric fences, they just choose not to have them...

  • tony - 2010-12-04 16:22

    idasa talking rubish

  • tony - 2010-12-04 16:23

    patent rubbish idasa

  • FerretGee - 2010-12-04 16:33

    2800 people out of 50 million odd! I rest my case. Everybody I know, of all race groups is equally scared of crime. Surveys like this are always flawed. They don't mention the breakdown of race groups in the survey nor do they say who they define as "black". Indian and coloured citizens are considered black when it suits and not black enough when it doesnt. The better way to do this survey would be to put the question "Are you scared of crime" on the next census and then see what the breakdown will be. I will bet my house that the answer will be different!

  • Mr.Glum - 2010-12-04 17:10

    So "whites are less scared of crime than blacks" Does that make crime against whites ok? What is the point of this research and what does it hope to accomplish? I would like to know. Unless there is some media cover-up, I don't read about the same brutal acts that are committed against whites, especially farmers, being meted out upon black victims. I do not for one moment suggest that there is no black on black crime, but the brutal element is clearly more visible in crime against whites. As one previous comment stated, please make the actual report and how it was done available for public scrutiny. Also let us know who requested the research, who funded it and in which areas the surveys were done.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 11:05

      The point Glummy is that the other races don't try to claim genocide. We live in dangerous times, invest heavily in security & each race is affected by crime. Brutality is due to criminality & I know of murders of Indians, Coloureds & Blacks have faced the worst of torture before their deaths at the hands of criminals. But the 'Whites' are just special when it comes to bad mouthing everything & everyone, without acknowledging anyone else's suffering. You want to see brutality, go to your nearest township at night. I dare you to make that statement then!

      D - 2010-12-06 15:52

      @ nuclear, I dont disagree that black people see more violence than most if not any other race. In fact I am convinced they do, it is obvious. Now that that is out of the way, what does that mean. Maybe that more black people commit crime, and living amongst more black people they are more like to become victims of crime?? Explain it please? What really amazes me is that we talk about crime/murder/rape etc like it is an unstoppable force, like the sun rising each day. It is out of our control. If black people are victims of crime, from their own neighbours and their own people, why do they continue to do it, every time a crime is committed it is a choice someone is making. Our domestic workers son was murdered a few years ago for no more than R10. He had just finished matric with good grades and I remember the day she showed her sons results, she was cryign she was so proud, I knew him well, he used to come and stay with us, a great kid. We bought him a present for doing so well and took him out for a dinner to celebrate. We were talking about hiring him in our business because he showed so much promise. At the end he was murdered in his little place down the south coast for nothing. A crime was committed because some one made the choice to commit the crime. Why do black people continue to allow themselves to be victims of crime by their fellow people? By the way my clsest friends father ws shot and killed in a hijacking as well

      nuclear - 2010-12-07 10:54

      What it means is that Blacks do not have the infrastructure in place, in their communities, to combat the criminal element. It's one of the repercussions of Apartheid that the ANC have yet to address. (I'm not keeping my fingers crossed that they ever will). Your back-handed racism D, is really clever, but if you had a drug lord living next door who threatened your family if you opened your mouth & had the resources to back that threat up, you wouldn't be such a hero either. Brazil currently has a military force in it's Favellas to rid them of these criminal elements, Mexico's taken a similar stance though not as successfully. Point is, an ordinary citizen to stand up to these criminals is something not even Whites would do in their suburbs. We'd call in the cops & every hard arse buddy out there. Trying to rationalise criminal behaviour will drive you batty. Nonetheless, it doesn't change the FACT that criminals exist in every race. You've seen the hope of Blacks through your maid & her son, yet paint the Blacks with the criminal brush of "Why do they" instead of realising it is a tiny percentage of Blacks that are criminals while the majority live in as much fear as you or me! Is it explained now D?

      D - 2010-12-07 13:36

      @ nuclear... back handed racism please... In fact I will clear it up though, by 'they' I meant the criminal population, not the black population in general. It was ambiguous so I hope this clears that up. Of course I realise that not all black people are criminals, I thought I had made that clear when I agreed that black people are victims of, and suffer from crime a lot more so than white people, if not any other race in general. My point was not so much focusing on who is the victim but rather why is the crime committed in the first place, it is not poverty, because that would be robbery, it is the violence of black on black that is horrific (no less horrific than black on white or white on black, but equally so, in far greater numbers). Why are these crimes committed and why are they all so violent. And what is anythign will change the mindset of the criminals (not black people, criminals). It is sad in that my post was empathetic of the black peoples suffering of crime yet you tried to isolate the only ambiguous point and turn it into 'backhanded racist slander'. That only saddens me further that that is all you could take from my post. If a drug dealer was killing people in my neighbourhood I dont know what I would do just yet, but I know that I wouldnt just do nothing and instead wait for my turn.

  • jen - 2010-12-04 17:23

    This really is a biased report - every single one of my family and friends fear crime. I don't know one white person who would't jump at the opportunity of leaving SA, even though we love our country. We are all terrified for our children and family. We worry about them being murdered or raped as has happened to several friends. A friend of mine was murdered in Johannesburg on Wednesday - a harmless white middle aged woman. I think lots of the time these attacks are hate crimes. Speaking for myself and all the people I know, we are very frightened of crime, so stop with your made up statistics.

  • andrewpottow - 2010-12-04 18:19

    This is full of errors and horribly biased. One minute, it says whites are less fearful of crime than blacks, that may be the case. But near the end they state crime tends to affect poor communities more, why are they not comparing white upper class with black upper class, white middle class with black middle class and white lower class with black lower class? Surely the average income of whites being much higher than blacks has an effect!? As a stats student, it is very apparent that statistics may be biased by the statistician as he see's fit. The only way to get unbiased statistical data is to a) have the data recorded and compiled by an independent company or b) to have the data and statistical outcomes audited. show me the raw data along with their income bracket and proximity to crime centers along with security measures taken and let me sort this mess out according to accepted methods and I guarantee you, the data will show the opposite.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 20:57

      That makes sense.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 11:07

      What Black middle-class suburb do you know of? The middle-class of any race move into middle-class, multi racial suburbs. Is that not so?

      The Patriot - 2010-12-06 13:32

      @ nuclear, umm Soweto has a few middle and upper class areas, or maybe your just never been there?

  • White Refugee - 2010-12-04 19:22

    What a load of rubbish. If blacks fear crime more than whites -- WHY DO THEY KEEP VOTING FOR THE ANC???? Unless they are simply lying to the survey! If you are really afraid of crime, i.e. sincere and honestly afraid! THEN VOTE FOR A PARTY WHO IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE MOST EFFECTIVE HIGHLY QUALIFIED POLICE FORCE, to do something about crime. This survey clearly interviewed a huge number of liars!

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 11:12

      Does an effective, highly qualified police force translate into a White police force? Will any other party have more influence over the Unions, police etc. when it comes to keeping the peace, or will certain political parties protect certain groups (not necessarily race, more to do with class) while persecuting others like the good old days again? THEY keep voting for the ANC, because there isn't a good alternative who will have THEIR interests at heart.

      scarecrow.irene - 2010-12-06 13:02

      Hey White Refugee, 1stly, you cannot assume that all blacks vote for ANC. Secondly, the ANC is not responsible for the murders and crime, it is a symptom of a much bigger issue. I agree I think there are better ways to fight crime in this country, but why bring the ANC into everything. Point of this article (however pointless it may seem) is that people are quick to generalise because they only see what is happening in their neighbourhoods, therefore if you are in an upper class environment you will compare your experiences of said area, whereas if you live in a township, you will best recall crime on your area, and not some far off rich urban area. @ nuclear, very well said

      Limpopoist - 2010-12-06 14:24

      We talk about crime not vote,If you hate ANC then thus your problem ,and it will stop you from doing good for your country, Crime affect more blacks than white.

      D - 2010-12-06 15:58

      @ Limpopoist, why is that? Do you say that it is white people sneaking into townships at night and killing black people? If we're honest here, it is black people killing black people... Why not just stop the murders? Why does it seem the guilty black people (not all black people, just those who commit the crimes) are so violent against their own people? They ahvent been told to do this, you cant say Aartheid is telling them to kill their own brothers... Why do black people kill other black people, and why do they not stop?

      Euphoria - 2010-12-07 03:00

      @nuclear, everything will be better if a white person is president, i promise you that, for black and for white, white people dont hate black people, they are just getting f*cking sick of the crime and kak, its the blacks like zuma and juju that hate the whites, he is brain washing all the millions of not so bright black people, that is why the anc is still in power, give a white government a chance, i promise it will be better, all the white people want, and alot of black people is just peace, not to be scared when you go home or go out!apartheid is gone, the blacks must get over it, we whites arent going around and singing shoot the blacks, kill the blacks, we arent stirring kak, the black government is, dink vir n slag my maat!

      dashida - 2010-12-07 09:32

      becuase we fear whites like you who are criminals. You did not only take our belongings you also took our pride, humane values and hapiness. So we trusted someone who promised to kill Goliath and they did. All what is left now is to rebuilt the destruction to did and give confidence to black people. They dont have money becuase they dont have skills the one who have do not get jobs; are discriminated by white companies and white banks. As God fearing black nation we have forgiven you and we are now looking forward to build this country with you and your skilled kids. Please take my hand. If you dont want to take my hand becuase it is black then dont worry it is not your fault; you're just a good product of the apartheid system. You're not alone it happened to blacks too atleast we've a common denominator.

      nuclear - 2010-12-07 10:57

      Euphoria keep your promises to yourself, seriously!!

  • brinjal - 2010-12-04 20:33

    2400 people questioned, so approximately 40 whites interviewed and we base the whole white populations perspective on these 40 peoples view. This smacks of old style National Party mis-information.

  • Flatfoot - 2010-12-04 21:06

    Security alarms and sensors, high security walls and electric fences (will moats be next?), additional private security and foot patrols have made Whites and middle class Blacks less vulnerable to crime. Not many township Blacks can afford these measures. Should Idasa's assessment not have considered these factors, their poll will not really count for much.

      Euphoria - 2010-12-07 03:03

      flatfoot, you can put a bloody lion in your yard, if that black wants your tv, or wants to rape your wife, hes going to get past that lion, i promise you, security alarms and sensors isnt a problem for a black!!

  • Piecasso - 2010-12-04 22:37

    It's ok for blacks to fear mutilations, because they fear that it MIGHT happen to them. In the meanwhile it is only WHITES that are mutilated, tortured, raped, and whole families wiped out. Why does the brain-dead IDASA question the black population anyway, that are not experiencing a full-scale genocide, like the whites ? Why does IDASA question the black population, if all murders are committed by blacks ? Of course the black population will answer in the affirmative, just to APPEAR TO CARE ABOUT THE GENOCIDE OF WHITES. If the black population did care about the slaughter of whites, let us have the number of blacks that marched to Sharpeville, to protest the genocide of whites. Otherwise all statistics in which blacks responded, are trivial pursuit, and meaningless.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 11:17

      Paint your face black, go into a township for a night & then tell me that "only WHITES are mutilated, tortured, raped & whole families wiped out." As for "all murders are committed by Blacks" - REALLY?? What about Bad Brad,the Kebbles/Agliotti's, the guys doing the shooting of baboons, those dragging people behind bakkies or feeding remains to lions? Why the fok should the Blacks march for you, why don't you march for yourself? The Blacks owe you nothing if you are not willing to accept certain realities i.e. it's not all about the Whites over everyone else anymore.

      scarecrow.irene - 2010-12-06 13:08

      You are a bloody idiot, where do you come up with such racist BS? Ofcourse there are thousands of black South Africans suffering crime. What about the little girls getting raped in the townships? The thousands of gay and lesbian blacks who are targeted by thugs? Oh and here is another one, where do you come off saying that all murders are commited by Blacks?? With so much anger in you, of course no other race will want to help protect their rights,. You just called them all liars and criminals! I am guessing you are one of those agter die klip guys who march on the SA embassy in London with your old flag raised in the air chanting AWB slogans. You ARE PATHETIC. Until you stop seeing colour, and instead see people, you will not notice all the suffering and hardship inflicted upon millions of innocant black people living in fear among thugs. I wanted to list all recent mureders commited by WHITE South Africans, but hell I dont want to waste more time on you.

  • paulvanderschyff - 2010-12-05 01:29

    This survey is a bunch of bullshit! Why are the "fearful" black masses then not asking for Malema and the likes's heads on sticks, or running over the borders?

  • franssmith100 - 2010-12-05 21:32

    how many of those 2400 interviewed were farmers? the article said; "It also said that while more than 25% of South Africans reported house robberies in the past year, whites (11%) were less likely than all other race groups to state they were frequent victims of theft from their home." - Maybe it is because of the security measures in place by whites... OUT OF FEAR, creating an artificial sense of safety? "Idasa, however, did not question respondents on their fears of being killed." Why not? maybe they should have asked...? Is this not a more important question? What about asking "if you are robbed in your home, do you think one of your family or you may be raped or murdered?"

  • franssmith100 - 2010-12-05 21:40

    why are we blocked from commenting on the other article "Farm murderers leave chilling note" i have tried for days, numerous times??????

      James1 - 2010-12-06 12:17

      Because a cold blooded execution of a 3 year old girl is bad press for our black brothers. Remember it is far worse to "initiate" UFS personell because that is racist. If you shoot a 3 year old in the back of the head cause she is not your race then that is just crime. (Unless you are white of course)

      Sammy - 2010-12-06 13:26

      yip that why I posted the link on twitter for ALL my other international pals to see. The ANC is as shit (if not worse) as the apartheid gov.

  • Gemini101 - 2010-12-05 22:02

    If they fear crime so much then why don't they vote against a black only government? But each time elections come they will vote ANC. They are the only voice that can stop this but they do nothing.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 11:20

      'Black only Govt' - you need to go back to school! What about Trevor Manuel, Barbara Hogan, Pravin Gordhan just to name 3 out of thousands. THEY vote for who they trust as it's too soon to have an all or majority White Govt in place again, if ever!

  • Picasso - 2010-12-06 07:32

    This is such a stupid 'research'. where did they do the research? Sandton???? Why don't they do the research in the country side on farms? Or wait, it is not robbery that farmers fears, it is murder!!!

  • Lionel - 2010-12-06 08:15

    One should read very little into these research surveys and particularly when the research sample only covered 2400 repsondents amongst all race groups, against a population of around R50 odd million. If whites account for 8% of the total population and the same 8% is used for the 2400 total sample, this means that only 192 whites where surveyed, which is hardly representative of the white population, however this has been used by Idasa for a rather unsubstatiated claim that blacks fear crime more than whites. This piece of research has been used as a propoganda stint by Idasa who at the end of the day are funded by the ANC lead government and Idasa found it appropriate enough to use in the Huntley matter. However millions will fall for this propoganda.

      veja24seven - 2010-12-28 10:41

      here's a simple survey for you. Township or Suburb?

  • Ares - 2010-12-06 08:29

    Oh please, give me a shovel so we can pick up the sh*t you talking ...

  • StoneThrower - 2010-12-06 09:32

    You are shit scared and make most noise about on this news24!! I have been saying this for a very long time> Blacks experience more crime than whites in this country because they live with or amongst thugs and criminals> they're sh#t scared to report this asshole because a day later they will be released back into society. Whites are a minority in this country and therefore when one of them is murdered or robed, it makes for a sensational media circus> White arent they only people experiencing crimes in this crimes. Thanks to your social and economic status, you have access to talk and crime whereas 90% of the population don’t have access like we do.

      Sammy - 2010-12-06 13:24

      But WTF? CLEARLY the current ANC is nothing better than the apartheid government?

      m.borchards - 2010-12-06 20:14

      no Sammy, NO govt is worse than the Apartheid govt! We have freedoms now!

      veja24seven - 2010-12-28 10:37

      @sammy, far better!

  • MJ84@24.com - 2010-12-06 09:46

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Come on black's scared?! They are the ones committing the crimes!

      Lanfear - 2010-12-06 10:49

      Get a grip. Only madmen laugh with more than two "haha"s. "They" are the ones committing the crimes? Has it ever occurred to you that the criminals are by far a minority? That most blacks also suffer under crime, especially rape? That most of our black countrymen are doing the same thing most of the white South Africans do, i.e. trying to live? So if a white man rapes and kills your daughter [many examples of this], then will you hate ALL white people? Get some perspective..

      MJ84@24.com - 2010-12-07 10:47

      Live in the real world Lanfear! I have watched first hand blacks in action against whites. Until you've seen a black killing a friend because they want your land do NOT speak!

      veja24seven - 2010-12-28 10:33

      you really don't know what you talking about. do you even know what crime?

  • Witrot - 2010-12-06 10:09

    Live in a tin shack no fence with small children. Cook on a open fire, wash you child's nappies while your three year old walks off to play in the free flowing polluted water from a storm drain. Your husband is working in another town and you are praying that maybe just this month he will send a few rand. Your seven year old daughter is ill and has worms and you just hope and pray she walks home safely from school because if you leave your home they might just steal your only four nappies hanging on the line. And thoughts cross your mind maybe, just maybe you should buy that stolen gas heater to dry the washing the winter. You are worried about your teenage son he stopped asking for money to buy school books and stationary and latley you have noticed him talking to friends who you know are up to no good.... You see living in hell will make you do anything just stop being so hungry and cold...

      Lanfear - 2010-12-06 10:50

      Yes, I do agree with you. Though it still doesn't give one the right to murder a child in cold blood.

      QueenBee1 - 2010-12-06 10:51

      ... and who's fault is it that they have these kids they can't afford???? The blame always comes the hardworking citizens, doesn't it...

      Smaal - 2010-12-06 10:56

      It’s called a condom and it’s free!

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 11:25

      QueenBee- in that case why should Blacks have kids at all, since so many are poor? In the hardest of times, children are the hope of better things to come. Hope comes with education & change, but until then are you saying THEY shouldn't have babies? Like voluntary ethnic cleansing?

      Witrot - 2010-12-06 12:22

      @@@@ is there a difference between having no money and having thousands/millions of rands in dept? In all walks of life we have stress and poverty. Should the man who is very poor have no children but the man in depht have them? What stress is better for those families? Financial stress ruins lives. Every child should have breakfast and lunch at school, warm clothes and shoes on his feet till he/she leaves school, it is their right and our responsibility... I believe this is the only way we can make sure that every little one enjoys school and will look forward to an education because they feel nurtured in the most valuable time in their little lives. Educators should be named and shamed in any form of abuse and once a month every child gets to talk to a counselor from child welfare, for ten minutes to evaluate their emotional state at school. Imagine how these children will grow.... Education is the key to success in all things......

      jsvisagie - 2010-12-06 12:23

      Yes Nuclear, something like that. If you can't afford a child then you just dont get children, as easy as that. Better things to come my a$$, I can't afford to have a child/children for that matter and thats the reason why, at 35 I still don't! If you can't afford to take care of yourself and your spouse then surely you wont be able to take care of an extra mouth or two or three or 21! But I suppose that is why state grants were introduced and why almost a third of our country is getting it, keep breeding like rabbits and the taxpayer will give you money. Not the ANC! THE TAXPAYER!!

      jsvisagie - 2010-12-06 12:24

      And oh yes Nuclear, before this is taken as racist,ANY PERSON FROM ANY RACE, that can not afford another hungry mouth should not be getting children!

      scarecrow.irene - 2010-12-06 13:18

      One problem JS visagie- it is not people's CHOICE to have more babies in times of suffering, this is human instinct, look at Somalia and Sudan, average of 9 children per mother. Dont blame the mother, blame our instincts who drive us to this. It is human. Sadly. People want their own genes to be passed down, like Darwinism you know??? If you want to be angry at something, be angry at the human race, not the poor! @ Witrot, loved your second comment.

      jsvisagie - 2010-12-06 14:24

      Scarecrow.Irene, maybe you did not read my comment or you just do not understand what I said. I, myself, do not have enough money to feed an extra mouth! Does this mean I should pro-create because I have very little and just because it is how I was programmed to be? There is still suppose to be something like logic which should prevail in these circumstances. Do you understand that logic in human-beings should override the animal-type characteristic that you just described? Get a television set, it is cheaper than having heaps of babies and then standing on a corner begging money off passers-by....

      jsvisagie - 2010-12-06 14:34

      Oh Irene, don't bother, I just realised it is you again, the lady from Stellenbosch or somewhere that has her head stuck in some hole. You wouldn't understand even if I were to draw you pictures...Just to let you know, after reading your comment again, all I can do is have a little chuckle. Don't blame people for having children because that is nature??? hehehehe :D, I really did over-estimate your logical reasoning.

      D - 2010-12-06 16:46

      It is mostly about having more children than you can afford to support. A perfect example is one of the security guards where I work told me his wife has just had a child on the weekend. Awesome I said and congratulated him, I asked him how many he had and he told me that this was his 8th. He then went on to tell me that he was very worried because he didnt earn enough money to support 8 children and his wife was now sick. It was then hard to empathise with the person as he told me he had 8 siblings and all of them had more than 5 children. As a comparison, I have a pretty good job and work hard and have two children. We live moderately, definately not flash but relatively comfortable. We know how much we have to pay to put them through school and save for tertiary education and we realise that no matter how much we would like a 3rd child, we probably wouldnt be able to afford them the best opportunities going forward. Now how can you compare that to someone who has 8 children and cleary cannot afford to support them. You cant help those who wont help themselves. Is this Apartheids fault he has 8 children? If he had two do you think his life would be easier, he would care for those 2 a lot better, those 2 would have a better standard of living... more food, better education? If I have 10 kids and end up on the street, its my fauilt, not the governments!!!

      Liselette - 2010-12-06 16:50

      @scarecrow.irene I don;t know if you realise how offence your statement is. I doubt very much weather any black person will thank you for this"defence", as what you are saying is that tey are too primitive to rise above their animal instincts and to make good decisions based on rational interpretation of the infomation about their circumstances and the resources available to them. Really, get mind in gear before releasing clutch on mouth..

      scarecrow.irene - 2010-12-06 17:56

      Oh liselette There was nothing offensive about my comment. You were the one who misread my statement, i did not say africans are primitive, i said it is human nature, emphasis on human. But the fact that your mind went there says a lot... All of us are subject o this, put me in a mosquito an d disease ridden area and i respond in the same way. Its rather naive to think everything about people comes down to logic and reason. Sorry people but you dont know much about human nature then. People ate firstly driven by their so called animal instincts, and only when they are not needed do we use our human brain. Liselette i would love tp see you try find reason for most of the shit thar happens in the world, fact is peop,e act on their instinct and not reason, you should maybe read about the pillars of intelligence. You will only be disappoi ted if you expect more from people. @ visagie, here we go again. There is nothing illogical about nature, peop

  • zena-warrior - 2010-12-06 10:16

    all i can say, is this is a blatant lie!!!!!!!!!

  • HellRaiser - 2010-12-06 10:29

    What good does this do for anyone. Who cares if it is whites or blacks who live in the most fear. Why should anyone live in fear. These kind of publications do no good for anyone in this country and only serve to further polarize an extreamly polarized nation. Should this survey not read more along the lines of "30% of SOUTH AFRICANS express fear of crime" - stop adding to the problem - stop thinking of race as the ultimate demographic divider - it should be the one of least concern.

      Lanfear - 2010-12-06 11:06

      Yes, race shouldn't be a concern i.r.o. crime. Yet many SA whites are constantly adding their voices to the race card players and making it one. Just look at some of these comments, some calling it "genocide" and so forth. If only they knew what REAL genocide looks like, they wouldn't talk such tosh. Except in some very few hate crime cases, you cannot link crime with race in such a way. Yes, most criminals are black for the simple reason of demographics i.e. most people in the country are black, most of those stuck in poverty are black, etc. And all the "genocide" criers, have you ever looked at the statistic of 29000 murders in a year and wondered if its true? And have you ever looked at that statistics, and asked yourself how many of those 29000 were white? And how many black? [and Coloured, Indian, Asian] Think about it.

  • Smaal - 2010-12-06 10:39

    Anyone remember the black that was dragged a few meters across a dirt road and sprained his ankle? Anyone remember a back towing a black to the police station? Anyone remember a black towing a white over a tar road and the white subsequently died? Deny it all we want but colour plays a role. I despise crime but given a choice I would rather be robbed by a white man for obvious reasons. I don’t think anyone denies that crime impacts across all race groups but it’s the manner of the crime that disturbs me more specifically black on white crime. It has in fact gone so far that the government that so diligently classify attacks on whites farmers as common crime can’t classify the execution style killing of a 3 year old as crime hence the oh so defining silence. Now compare the media coverage of the dragging incident with the media coverage of the executed 3 year old. If there was no 3 year old and the farmer and his wife was executed the government would have swept it under the common crime carpet. It is becoming very difficult to deny the obvious.

      Smaal - 2010-12-06 10:48

      Now add to this the absolutely great timing of these statistics by an ANC sponsored institution and it’s painfully clear that Idasa is only a doing governments bidding by distracting the public from the real issues at hand. I for one would not read anything into statistics compiled by an ANC sponsored institution.

      MJ84@24.com - 2010-12-06 11:29

      We had those three happen in Zimbabwe but to whites by blacks. It was horrifying to watch.

      James1 - 2010-12-06 12:21

      Remember blacks executing little 3 year old girls? Rem,ember blacks murdering husbands and raping their wives in the blood of their dying husbands? Little old 90 year old ladies confined to a wheel chair murdered by blacks. Smaal...You do a lot worse stuff to us whites than your elective memory cares to think about.

      Sammy - 2010-12-06 13:19

      @James1... more people have died in this country under the current ANC. ans PS: 3 old girls did nothing to you and yours.

      Sammy - 2010-12-06 13:20

      disregard last comment

      Smaal - 2010-12-06 15:47

      Ummmm guys, please read it again.... slowly this time.

  • Francois - 2010-12-06 10:50

    Bullsh&t if have seen how goods stolen from the whites is shared among the Blacks in the townships, your are in on it the same like you are in on the farm murders and what is silly to me is that you also target the Blacks working hard to live in town with the whites.

  • Monde - 2010-12-06 11:01

    what is the author trying to achieve by this article? crime affects us all! everything is a racial issue nowadays!

  • rethan - 2010-12-06 11:19

    come on, i AM SURE these articles are deliberately posted to get the most comments! This country will get nowhere because every day i read about "black and White" but when asked about being racist everyone denies it. IDIOTS!

      Monde - 2010-12-06 14:49

      this is true man, it seemes as if news24 is doing it deliberately, black this, whitw that, sa this oz that, i am getting sick of this!

      cervezab - 2010-12-06 16:04

      @Monde - don't be mad at news24 to publish an Idasa study, sure they need the ratings, but the fact is Idasa wants the "proof" out there

      Monde - 2010-12-07 07:41

      @cervezab- news24 has a choice on what they choose to publish, i find it disturbing that knowing very well the divisions within our society. These publications allow for people to rape the system by basically instigating debates that are meaningless. As you have notice it is very easy for individuals to reduce these debates to race. Why not positive stories for a change, society is depressed.

  • Garry - 2010-12-06 11:50

    I have no problem with the statistics that indicate blacks have a greater fear of crime than whites. Crime is rife in the townships, this again in turn is an indicator that most crimes are committed by blacks and that blacks have no empathy with their own, they will rape and steal from their Grandmothers. What color are the faces of the people on the front pages of our newspapers that have been involved in corruption with government , municipalities and even our universities, no wonder blacks have a greater fear for crime.

  • adam.bethlehem1 - 2010-12-06 11:58

    yes but show what percentage of violent crimes are committed against whites compared to blacks

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 15:43

      Juslikeit - but you are persistent aren't you. So what percentage is it then?

  • James1 - 2010-12-06 12:10

    Show me the questions, show me where they asked the questions and to whom. These polls are so easily manipulated. If we are so unaffected by crime then tell me why 3 year old white girls get executed by blacks? (and if you google it you don't find it on mainstream media.) media reports say that 2 black people in Natal get killed and that is a massacre. Last week thursday a whole white family was executed and that is not reported as a "massacre". See what I mean.

  • Baas-Julius - 2010-12-06 12:29

    This is pure ANC propaganda. Absolute rubbish.

      Monde - 2010-12-06 14:51

      Idasa or anc, your insinuations are rubbish.

  • Artvark - 2010-12-06 12:43

    There are 3 types of lies. 1 Lies. 2 Damned Lies. 3 Statistics.

      veja24seven - 2010-12-28 10:22

      Bar-man, beer cost not more than R20 in SA, true or false?

  • dylanswanie - 2010-12-06 12:46

    You know this article is right, most blacks dont always have the money for big fences, electric fencing and other security measures, im sure if they could they would! And middle class blacks do have these measures

  • Xolani - 2010-12-06 12:52

    This is actually very true, I've been trying to explain this to people and nobody seems to grasp this simple concept. People in the townships have break-ins every day and because we have no house contents insurance. we dont even bother to report it ... You just go out and replace your items. People in the townships are mugged on a daily basis. I know a lot of people who have two phones now. A cheap one that is used at night and a proper one that he/she uses during the day. People are murdered almost daily there too but White people act as if its only them that have a problem with crime. and they are quick to condemn vigilante groups when we are gatvol ... Crime affects everybody, I've noticed though that Black people are much calmer when being robbed. They dont scream and shout and try and be heroes which causes the robber to shoot and kill them Many White people try and be heroes and by so doing put their entire family in risk. Hence I dont own a gun and will never own one.

      Sammy - 2010-12-06 13:14

      "Crime affects everybody" I agree in full! "Many White people try and be heroes" Well someone has to fight back, don't you think? The ANC does sweet blue f'all about the country expect for raping us all of our tax money? Criminals DO NOT FEAR JAIL, BUT I know of 1 other thing they will and that goes for all races?

      Christopher - 2010-12-06 15:51

      "Crime affects everybody, I've noticed though that Black people are much calmer when being robbed. They don't scream and shout and try and be heroes which causes the robber to shoot and kill them" What utter nonsense. I actually kinda agreed with you on all your posts but this bit????

      Spyker May - 2010-12-06 16:35

      Xolani, I will ask you this question directly – trust the penny will drop.., What level of safety did the Apartheid regime offer its constituency..? ...

      CharlieChap - 2010-12-06 16:53

      Xolani: I find it interesting that the 35% of Black people are more or less in line with the amount of Votes the ANC received for the previous election. Let's assume that the these statistics are in fact, reliable: Why is it then that the Black people continue to vote the ANC into parlement if clearly they lack the capability of ridding this country from irts crime infested disease???? I think it is ironic that Black People are "more scared" but they are for the most part INDIRECTLY reseponsible for voting in a sorry-ass Government like the ANC! So I say to you all of the 35%: Be scared...be very scared!!!! Because there is NOTHING as dangerous and life threatening than UTTER STUPIDITY. VOTE for your ANC, but do not think they will save you,you ignorant fools!

      Liselette - 2010-12-06 16:56

      Again, the temptation just to call you an idiot and leave it at that is almost overwhelming. How is my husband trying to be a hero when he is sleeping and someone shoots him through a window? How am I being a hero by activating the alarm when someone is trying to rape me? Am I supposed to just reconcile myself to someone violating me, and accept it as my fate? This happened two weeks ago, to a couple who live three farms from us.Activating that alarm alerted the neigborhood watch and saved the lady from being raped, as well as getting her husband needed medical attention. If we were al to accept crime as inevitable and just stand back and allow ourselves to be victims all is lost. Maybe the fact that, in your words, black people are so calm during crime, is why the are experiencing so much of it. We should all do everything we can not to be sof targets, even if it is just fighting back.

      dashida - 2010-12-07 10:16

      True Xolani, white people were safe during apartheid. We had to learn to protect ourselves. The apartheid government and their media did not publicise this kind of life to them hence they're ignorance. Certainly as a black man who experienced both situations the current government is doing more than the NATS. Atleast we can see the difference in our townships. If there is 3000 murders in the township now, you must know it was 15000 during the apartheid years and to black people it was so common that we even knew who will be next. The apartheid took our ubuntu and the value for life. Their white government even injected people with HIV/AIDS and used deadly contraceptives to reduce population and that was not called genocide becuase it was done by a good white government. Even if we have forgiven the white people in this country they must realised if the cannot forgive english people after 50 years there must be so much to take to forgive someone after 16 years and yet white supremacist like WC premier Zille and Steve Hofmeyer have guts to talk s###t that black people have got it all. Blacks are still struggling. Blacks are entitled for decent services, housing, jobs, security and education. White people must realised they were given free education, hand-outs, reserved jobs, funded ko-oparasie all this was possible through black taxes and sweat. The more I think deeply about this there more I feel to go back to the bush again.

  • mabz - 2010-12-06 12:56

    i am a black SA who now lives in Kyalami and moved out of Soweto coz crime was very bad. My aunt lives in a township her neighbours are hijackers and work with the police, people report this and nothing gets done. I went to Alex the other day and a man got shot coz he didnt mind his own business when his friend was being beaten by her boyfriend. At night in Alex gangsters go to parties to kidnap women & rape them, i was once in a taxi in Alex & a man tried to drag me out of the taxi by my legs coz i refused to talk to him. WHITES IN SA DONT KNOW WHAT THEY R TALKING ABOUT....MOST TOWNSHIPS R WAR ZONES

      Sammy - 2010-12-06 13:11

      Well then all I can say is VIVA ANC VIVA?

      Christopher - 2010-12-06 15:58

      @ Mabz : Sorry to hear about your ordeal and I'm very sincere when I say that. But the crux of the matter is the crime and not who knows more/less about the crime or criminal activities. We are South African effected by crime"." Nodody is more or less South African than me. After all, isn't it equality that we all were striving for?

      D - 2010-12-07 13:59

      My point is why? Why are these crimes being committed and why are they so violent? I fully agree that black people suffer from crime more than white people, not because they are specifically targeted but because they live with them. Why is the nature of the crime so barbaric? Why should you be dragged out of a car for not taking to a man you dont know, you dont owe him anything, who does he think he is to do that to you? What I dont get is the utter barabaric nature of these crimes, raping babies and killing children? Why is the nature of the crime so barbaric. I saw a documentary on TV about hijackers in Hillbrow when the one guy said they also do housebreakings, he said if there is a baby in the house he will put him/her in an oven and cook the baby until the people give them money. I'm sorry but I do not even know what to say about that.

  • Cina - 2010-12-06 12:58

    In which area was this surveys done and what were the ratio between black and whites asked this questions because I don't believe one word of it.

  • mabz - 2010-12-06 13:06

    WHITES IN SA DONT KNOW WHAT THEY R TALKING ABOUT....MOST TOWNSHIPS R WAR ZONES. My husband lived in Capetown when he was at varsity, in some coloured TOWNSHIPS you will find people just shooting at each other infront of the community broad day light nothing gets done about it. Go to kimberly 'CAPITAL OF STABBING", people fight over girlfriends and kill each other with picks, shovels & pangas.....MOST CRIMINALS LIVE IN TOWNSHIPS & DO MOST OF THEIR CRIMES IN TOWNSHIPS B4 THEY START DOING THEIR CRIMES ELSE WHERE....WHITES IN SA DONT KNOW THE REAL SA

      cervezab - 2010-12-06 15:58

      Mabz, what? white people say the same things all day long, have you read their comments? they just focus more on the farmers but they have read about all the horror township stories every day, well at least back when it was considered news and not just daily life. The point is made that SA has a very violent culture, and these violent people are free to move around and therefore can affect anyone anywhere.

      The Patriot - 2010-12-06 16:20

      Capetown? Geez, you cant compare the rest of SA with the Cape Townships? They are mostly smoked up on Tik or cheap wine. Not apples for apples mabz.

  • Ares - 2010-12-06 13:52

    Why do white people leave the country but other black countries come to South Africa?

      louis.pietersen - 2010-12-06 14:11

      we all know why...

      cervezab - 2010-12-06 15:51

      greed, more money to be made in SA

  • Bla Bla - 2010-12-06 14:51

    Why dont they go to Zim if they are so scared...? ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • Pattib - 2010-12-06 14:59

    another race debate..............yawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!

      Christopher - 2010-12-06 16:00

      you can say that again :)

  • Sbongile - 2010-12-06 15:19

    Thank God for this survey. I wish Steve Hofmeyer can read it.

      CharlieChap - 2010-12-06 16:55

      Why...you need somone to read it for you?