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Why I did it, Zuma vandal explains

2012-05-23 15:50

Johannesburg - One of the men accused of vandalising a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma said he thought a white person should remove the painting, as it was created by a white person and the gallery was owned by a white person.

Barend la Grange, 58, and Louis Mabokela, 25, are accused of defacing Brett Murray's painting The Spear at the Goodman Gallery on Tuesday.

There was no doubt the painting created racial tension and the Goodman Gallery was ignorant of that tension, which existed in South Africa, said La Grange.

He wanted to diffuse the racial tension the painting had generated.

As the painting was created by a white person and the gallery was owned by a white person, he thought it right that a white person should remove it.

"We all have to respect one another... that is how democracy works."

He said he was ready to face the consequences of his actions. He had taken a "calculated risk".

"What I did was against my nature. I had no right to do what I did."

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La Grange said after his appearance that the gallery and the artist had the right to display the painting, but once their point had been made, the painting should have been taken down.

"A High Court must get involved for a painting? It took me 15 seconds to get rid of the painting," he said.

He said earlier on Wednesday his action was a political statement. It was not about art but rather a political issue which had become a race issue.

"It was my spoilt ballot paper," La Grange said.

He said he did not know the other man accused of smearing black paint over the work and he only met him after they were both arrested.

"There was no conspiracy."

Co-accused Mabokela, accompanied by his uncle and a group of ANC supporters outside the court, said he was covering the insult to President Jacob Zuma.

"I was covering the insult to the president. They insult the president. It's my president. It's an insult to us, [to] all people."

Postponed

The matter was postponed to 28 June in the Hillbrow Magistrate's Court for further investigation.

Both men's bail of R1 000 was extended. They face charges of malicious damage to property.

A third person, George Moyo, was arrested for spray-painting on a wall outside the Goodman Gallery. He appeared in the Hillbrow Magistrate's Court separately on Wednesday and also got R1 000 bail.

The gallery, in Rosebank, was temporarily closed to the public on Tuesday. It was still closed on Wednesday morning. Owner Liza Essers said the move was prompted by numerous threats and the vandalism.

On Thursday the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg will hear an ANC application to have the painting taken down.

Essers said the The Spear had generated a debate that clearly engaged with important legal and constitutional issues.

"I furthermore never imagined that this debate would transform into harmful physical action. This is over and above questions of political power, which formed part of its original dialogue."

The gallery had recognised how divided the country had become over the painting.

"We must take cognisance of all responses to our exhibitions and do not value one opinion above another."

The painting was defaced with red and black paint, obscuring Zuma's face and waist.

Comments
  • John - 2012-05-23 15:54

    this has occupied this news 24 since yesterday are the reporters on leave or is there just nothing more interesting to report, rather bring juju back at least we used to get a laugh

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-23 15:58

      aaahhh come on... i find people "going to town" on JZ's privates amuzing :-)

      Jeanne - 2012-05-23 16:04

      Isn't it funny that the journo just happened to be there? Man - a week without Julius Malema in the news :) How nice!!

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:05

      @nhamo, thats arson, which is a criminal offence...

      Bryan - 2012-05-23 16:07

      I find it very funny how both the vandals did not know each other. Must have been a very interesting conversation in the back of the police van.

      Squeegee - 2012-05-23 16:08

      nhamo, violence is not the answer to everything. What is it with the fascination many South Africans have with fire? The train is late: burn the train. We think this guy is a thief: Burn him alive. We don't have books: burn the school.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:13

      The copy paste button is strong with this news outlet

      Liesbet - 2012-05-23 16:24

      @ Bryan. Agree, would have loved to be a fly on the wall..eh..van.. to hear that conversation... they can do an interview with the Huisgenoot... and Son... ah yes, they can be famous...tsk-tsk!

      nasheenar - 2012-05-23 16:31

      @nhamo.dzenyika ...theres that typical mindset again..."Lets burn it" hows that worked so far for you? Very destructive hey?

      Fascisti - 2012-05-23 16:36

      If the "clever" ANC had not made such a fuss in the first place, none of us would even know about the painting's existence. The people running this country are clowns, racist clowns

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:38

      @AnarchistTendencies - Agreed but you can take it a step further. If JZ was a good president there wouldnt have been a painting to begin with...

      rinesh.jivanji - 2012-05-23 16:39

      I dont know hey... My personal opinion, as everyone is entitled to, is that this whole thing could have been avoided in the first place. Freedom of speech, and 'art' should be allowed, but look at repercussions of doing something like this. The gallery should not have put the picture up and taken it down once people started making noise. I am neither black nor white, the colour of my skin should not even matter. I am not a South African, but from an outsiders point of view, in a country where racism is still rife, this HAS become a race issue and deep down, most people will agree, not all but most. I tend to commend this guy, because I think it was right that he did it and not a black man. I would love to see the comments had a black man vandalized the painting first. Come to think of it, I would have loved to know whether there would have been this much fuss had a black man painted the picture. I dont think anyone, the painter or the gallery, thought ahead to say, what are the consequences of this. And if they did think ahead, then I believe it was a racist move. My opinion, you're entitled to your own too...

      John - 2012-05-23 16:40

      The painting was racist.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:48

      @Smiley24 - You are entitled to your opinion. Question though, "I would love to see the comments had a black man vandalized the painting first" what difference does it make that the white guy was their first? I honestly cant see how if the black guy behind he did it 30 seconds before the white guy it would have caused any other kind of reaction. He is still a vandal at the end of the day regardless of how you feel about the painting

      John - 2012-05-23 16:58

      Whenever racism is brought to attention, white people pull the race card card and accuse black people of being over sensitive. There is a long history of this sought of racism (think Sarah Baartman) where a white man has objectified and denigrated the body of a person of colour. This racism has to stop.

      Fascisti - 2012-05-23 17:00

      Sarah Baartman? pfff who really cares about her. I dont

      Smiley24 - 2012-05-23 17:01

      @Peter. Thought about it, who did it first does not matter too much. He was a vandal, what he did to the painting was wrong. However, had he not done it, and had a white individual not done anything, I feel the repercussions would have been worse. I think it was a lesser of two evils that he chose. Again my opinion, I havent and will not always be correct.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 17:15

      @Smiley24 - I respect your opinion, you are one of the few that thinks before they comment and ends up opening a completely separate can of worms by insulting an entire race... For who knows what reasons. Anyway, i do agree i think there was alot of pressure on everyone and personally it feels like its subsided a bit which is pleasing. It got way out of hand, one wrong doing snowballed into many wrong doings, of different calibers but still wrong doings non the less

      Dee - 2012-05-23 17:17

      Smiley24 - I 'get it' ... and confess to a private sigh of relief and even more silent thank-you to the fella ....(having also felt that 'constitutional-rights-confrontation-in-court the very worst option to address raging predominantly non-1st world multi-cultural emotions)

      Smiley24 - 2012-05-23 17:18

      @Peter - Agreed. Its always nice to agree, shows a little hope a midst all this banter and crazyness!

      Gestoffle - 2012-05-23 17:21

      What would really make me pi$$ myself......if the real painting is still out there, and this vandalised one is a dummy....bit the person in it....

      Luvo - 2012-05-23 18:28

      If only our white counterparts can be as sober minded as the comments coming from the other white vandal. In no small measure he talks about what drove him to commit the act and saw the painting as it was, an attack to the dignity of a fellow human being. With people like him who are prepared to stand up to injustice, there is hope after all for this god-forsaken country...

      prodrigues1 - 2012-05-24 01:22

      It seems that not matter how much time passes in this country, the whole race card playing seems to be the order of the day and will continue to be so until the country has been stripped of it's pride and worth completely by the same twits that fought for their precious democratic country...what a joke!!!...this BS needs to come to an end or SA will end up like their neighbour Zimbabwe!!...Get over it and get on with making SA the economic powerhouse that it once was in the Southern Africa region!

      Tinky - 2012-05-24 07:48

      @ Squeegee - Or if you can't find petrol and matches, you could always throw a stone....

      Man - 2012-05-24 11:33

      @JeanneB. I think your right.And the fact that it is not just any old journo but the high profile Ferial Haffajee makes me believe that there might be more behind this. I suspect one of the defacers made sure that there was journos at the scene to film his moment of fame.

      galef - 2012-05-24 13:50

      I recon they make this news for a few days while the government is buzy doing its bad stuff......it takes the light off them.......just an opinion....*shrugs*

  • Loo - 2012-05-23 15:58

    YOU MORON ... why don't you just make it about race further .. idiot

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-23 15:59

      hahaha exactly...

      goyougoodthing - 2012-05-23 16:14

      An educator censoring a nation, just as the thought police would love it. Fire him.

      Bryan - 2012-05-23 16:16

      Makes you think.... Did he wake up in the morning and ask himself. "What is the fastest way I can screw up my life today." "Oh I know, lets go vandalize a painting!"

      Loo - 2012-05-23 16:17

      Will someone please head-butt this guy :)

      John - 2012-05-23 16:43

      I as a white person hate talking about racism because race talks could lead to racial justice and equality happening.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 17:02

      Loo, The truth hurts maybe...........no definitely...

  • E=MC2 - 2012-05-23 15:58

    and hows your plan working our for you...? Im thinking NOT WELL.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:06

      He had taken a "calculated risk" I dont want him to calculate anything....

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:15

      He sure as hell didnt calculate the amount he is going to have to pay up to the owner of the painting, if they sue him anyway

      Merven - 2012-05-24 11:37

      This La Grange idiot must be banned from all galleries for the rest of his life.

  • Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-23 15:58

    Don't know if he's gone senile or what... but he even contradicts himself ("I had no right to do it"). Who does he think he is - to decide for a nation what should be done about the painting? Smacks of deluded arrogance if you ask me!

      John - 2012-05-23 16:30

      No he exercised his democratic right to be a prat. We all have that abillity, he just excelled at it.

  • Loo - 2012-05-23 15:59

    So if a white guy commits a crime he should be sentenced by a white man and visa versa .. just listen to yourself .. youre full of BS .. it would have been better if you at least had a credible reason for doing it .. LOl laughable

      Martin - 2012-05-24 08:50

      He doesn't seem to be the sharpest of tools at the best of times.

  • lebogang.molefo - 2012-05-23 16:00

    Some guy just said it's days like these that he misses Juju and his actions

      Martin - 2012-05-24 08:51

      Yeah, that guy needs to be taken out back.

      dumisiledee - 2012-05-24 09:01

      I don't like Julius but I believe if he was still an active member sh*t was gonna fly.

  • WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:02

    Liberal White da supporter painted this picture and started this mess! Obviously it yet again divided the Rainbow nation into race! It took a brave Afrikanerman to take a stand with his fellow black comrade to sort out this hatred! Viva Prof! Amandla! A luta continua!

      Tax - 2012-05-23 16:06

      Probably his black boyfriend.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:08

      HOW ON EARTH DO YOU KNOW WHAT BRETT MURRY'S POLITICAL ALLIANCE IS? He never mentioned it!

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:12

      It is obvious eil33nn. DA! Indeed a "liberal"!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-05-23 16:13

      Brett Murray has staunch struggle credentials you tool.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:16

      @WhiteTsotsi - if you dont know the facts dont open your mouth. The only hatred here is coming from you idiot...

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:20

      No white tsotsi. you are assuming. ASSUMPTION IS THE MOTHER OF ALL F*CK-UPS

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:20

      @WhiteTsotsi - "It is obvious WhiteTsotsi. WhiteTsotsi ! Indeed a "MORON"!" There i fixed all your spelling mistakes

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:20

      Staunch struggle credentials, just like Helen Zille!! Of course! Those were the whities that opposed apartheid, just because they wanted political power. The real struggle and freedom fighting whites are still within the ANC. All the so called white strugglers that mention their "credentials" are now with the DA. Just shows their liberal views. Always opposing just for the matter of opposing and stirring. No moral values, and power hungry, capitalists!

      Loo - 2012-05-23 16:21

      And Why on earth do you think your opinion matters, youre obviously already confused about some "other" stuff :: let me not expand on that

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:24

      And to add. Those liberal whites with "struggle credentials" actually did not really contribute that much to the end of apartheid as they like to claim! Except for a few like Joe Slovo (rip), Max du Preez, Derick Hanekom, Piet Koornhof and various others that are still supporting the ANC. They are the whites with real struggle backgrounds and moral fibre!

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:28

      You are delusional. Hellen Zille was a reporter...So i dont see how she wanted to make a play on ruling the country. AND just remember, you mentioned apartheid before anyone else...

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:30

      Calling me a moron and confused does not take away from the fact that I have a valid opinion. If you do not like it, you are welcome to debate, but personal insults does not really contribute to the issue at hand. So as julle wil praat, praat ordentlik!

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:30

      @WhiteTsotsi - NO they arent in the ANC because the ANC is full of crooked politicians you racist moron! They are against nepotism, fraud and corruption. You honestly have no clue what you are even taking about. You talk about a rainbow nation and all you do is use racial slur. Wait is that you tsotsi-baby? Changed profiles again hey

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:32

      @WhiteTsotsi - True it just proves that your a RACIST MORON!

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:34

      eil - It is usually white people that claimed that Zille has struggle credentials as she exposed the Biko murder. I agree with you - she was only a supporter. Same with Murray. He was an artist - He has no hands on struggle credentials. So I was commenting on the assumption that Murray has struggle credentials. If he really had these "credentials" he would not have yet again contributed to a race war and intolerance amongst South Africans. Apologies, but I am irate at Murray. We should stop stirring deliberatly in this country and move forward as black and whites united.

      Loo - 2012-05-23 16:35

      AG FFS lol . .get a job or go wash your hair or something .. your'e smoking too much of the good stuff.. WAIT tell me dude .. HOW much tax do YOU pay ??!!!

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:35

      AMEN COMRADE PETER! You are right White Tsotsi, you are not dellusional but misinformed. The DA is NOT the NP.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:42

      @WhiteTsotsi - If your irate at murray aim it at murray, not everyone else. Such as white people and the DA. Because now youve p*ssed off alot of people even people like me that werent happy about the painting to begin with. All you do is make unfounded claims and you are helping the situation for nix! Engage brain before engaging in conversation with others

      Martin - 2012-05-23 16:42

      LOO you will be amazed how many of us "whites" fight whites and for no recognition, I dont vote DA. I do dislike zuma and his comrades criminal tendencies, but we fight them too, there is no reason to be fighting amoungst ourselves, black and white, indian and coloured, there ae bigger fish to fry, namely corruption, anc style bantu education(basically no education) etolls, fracking, screw the stupid painting, it was funny to me yes, but so is ayanda's political painting which is far far worse than the spear, but where are the complaints about that one? why are taxis not banned and rioting taxi drivers locked up. south africa is in a state of anarchy literally and we all worried bout politicians and frikkin paintings, wtf??? open your eyes man. soon sitting behind pc's and commentating during working hours will be dumb, cos we will have nothing left here, there is a war going on, tax payers vs theft. people need to be sorted out and sorted out now, houses, food, water, they were promised these things, this is not black against white, this is humans vs death in the form of a leech government

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:42

      eil33 - You are one of the more reasonable contributors here. I think esentially you and me both want unity, but we do not agree on the party that will create that. So our end goal is the same. Ek is nie Tsotsi baby of enige iemand anders nie. So wie ookal dink ek is 'n fake troll, ek dink nie Tsotsi - baby sal Afrikaans kan praat nie!

      Loo - 2012-05-23 16:43

      See kids . .thats why you should not smoke so much dope .. Say no to drugs VIVA VIVA LIELIELIELIELEILEI

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:43

      @white tsotsi here is my stance on the matter: 1: The painting was in absolute bad taste. 2: The painting or it's artist being racist - No, that is crap. 3: The professor has a higher education than what i have. Should he not know that it is wrong to damage someone elses property, like i do? This whole thing has been completely blown out of proportion. If the Pres went to the artist as another citizen and not in his capacity, asked him to remove the painting, I could almost say with certainty he would have had it taken down. AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE WISER

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:44

      Just because I have dreadlocks - you assume I do not pay taxes? I ay not earn your salary, but I work very hard just like most people. R150k a year may seem like a small salary for you whealthy whites, but I am still working and earning an honest living, and I am still paying my taxes like a normal citizen would do.

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:48

      Eil - Thanks - I agree with all you say - Except the racist point. The artist may not be racist or did not intend for it to be a racist painting. But in a country where there are already so much division, as an artist and a clever person, he should have known how much hatred and division his work of art would create!

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:50

      Apologies for attacking the DA and liberals. If I have to elaborate on my views of them I will be busy all night. So apologies, and let us move on.

      Gavin - 2012-05-23 16:51

      @whitetsotsi... your comments really serve to fuel the misconception that the Da are lacking in moral fibre and values. These are ANC-driven myths that keep their uneducated electorate from making considered choices around election time. Just because Zille and Murray and countless other 'white' people did not blow-up or maim and kill during apartheid doesn't mean that they weren't opposed to the system! The ANC are rapidly showing themselves to be the ones that 'lack moral fibre and values'!! Witness corruption, nepotism, cronyism - they are making the Nats look like kindergarten children in terms of corruption!

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:52

      @WhiteTsotsi - you should also apologize for attacking white people, i also earn R150k a year so please STOP BEING RACIST! stop saying white this and white that.

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:56

      Apologies then for attacking all white people, but gosh, some my fellow white brothers really make life difficult for our whole rainbow nation!

      Peter - 2012-05-23 17:02

      @WhiteTsotsi - You realize none of your previous comments helped make it any easier to live in the rainbow nation. Anyway since Im an adult I will forgive and forget, but maybe you should think next time before you make assumptions that can be classified as hate speech, to not only races but also people of opposing political affiliations

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 17:04

      Agreed Comrade White,

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 17:11

      Thanks for the support comrade Tamaranui! A luta continua!

      Paul - 2012-05-24 21:57

      Hey White Trotzky Every day is a struggle for poor blacks under their bourgeoisie black thieving leaders, never mind the whites trying to understand how the blacks are getting poorer even though SARS is so efficient and most white owned companies contribute meaningfully to African development. The real struggle is now buddy so put you joint out, take a deep breath of democracy and look around.... idealism will leave you looking foolish.

      monkinsane - 2012-05-28 13:31

      Moron, What's your IQ? -2 would be my guess. Get your facts straight, if you say that Brett is a DA supporter, state your evidence to support your claim, otherwise just STFU - you are an embarrassment to intelligence.

  • Tax - 2012-05-23 16:03

    How stupid and brainwashed does one have to be to believe that this painting is racist? Black leaders cannot be criticised by whites? Why not? The cANCer critices whites non-stop, but we laugh it off.

      mmenzisco - 2012-05-23 16:40

      Please don't lie, since when you have laugh it off.

      Tax - 2012-05-23 17:42

      @yebo every time juju opens his mouth.

      dumisiledee - 2012-05-24 09:05

      When do you laugh cause you're always whining like you're doing now? pssht!

  • andre.barendse.7 - 2012-05-23 16:03

    I have respect for Barend la Grange and Louis Mabokela as they have respect for others. The painting wasn't defaced... it was improved.

      Tax - 2012-05-23 16:08

      Yeah. Pity that Zuma has no respect for you though.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:10

      I have no respect for either of them, because they had no respect for other peoples property...

      Tebogo - 2012-05-23 16:20

      respect for ppl is much better than respect for ppls property cause propety could be of no value especially when it has disrespect.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:27

      @Tebogo - the only problem with your comment is that properties value was originally estimated at R134 000 or something around there. Even defaced its probably worth more now because of all the international attention. Also if i respect you does that give me permission to destroy your property if i feel its disrespectful?

      dumisiledee - 2012-05-24 09:07

      @Tebogo exactly the problem. People think is better to respect a property than a human being? how twisted.

  • Lotus - 2012-05-23 16:05

    Yawn,now that its all over,what's new on the news hype market?I heard a pakistani man ran over,strangled, then burned his wife!what a psycho!!

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-23 16:34

      LATEST NEWS! I clipped my toenails today :-)

  • Eternity - 2012-05-23 16:05

    "A High Court must get involved for a painting? It took me 15 seconds to get rid of the painting," so by that logic I should get a shotgun? "A High Court must get involved for a thief? It took me 15 seconds to get rid of the thief,"

      Eternity - 2012-05-23 16:15

      @Collen Again we jump to racism???? Did I mention colour at all??? For all you know I could be a person of colour The people in this country are the ones that turn everything including art into a colour issue. Art is subjective which means it means something different to each person but where everyones mind seems to jump is "RACIST!" well f*k that thinking and get over the non-existing issue here.

  • Tebogo - 2012-05-23 16:06

    THAT Badman Gallery must be closed. now money wasted on legal issues when ppl are suffering.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:11

      The Pres Zuma should not use taxpayers money to pay for this court case...

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-23 16:20

      stop suffering, idiot

      Tebogo - 2012-05-23 16:27

      kenny get overurself. u are a lost. how can u say good is bad and bad is good? @ its a narrow veiw of life that makes u say that.

      Fascisti - 2012-05-23 16:35

      If the "clever" ANC had not made such a fuss in the first place, none of us would even know about the painting's existence. The people running this country are clowns, racist clowns

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:36

      @Tebogo - I think you need to get over yourself and the painting because Kenny is 100% correct. You missed the part where government wasted R30 Billion, yes billion, not million on e-tolls. Thats just one example by the way I can give you more if you wish, here of the "slush fund" or maybe the arms deal?

      Tebogo - 2012-05-23 16:44

      so if ppl in govenment steal money painting them naked solves the problem? rather find ways to prosecute them. i know that ppl in govenment are corupt but painting someone naked is not right. what are they teaching children?

      Fascisti - 2012-05-23 16:53

      Ok Tebogo, you tell me how in this corrupt country we are going to prosecute the leadership! you are living in a dream world. Civil protest is the best protest

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:56

      @Tebogo - prosecuting Richard Mdluli hasnt worked, prosecuting Bheki Cele hasnt worked, prosecuting Schabir Shaik hasnt worked. Must i go on?

      Tebogo - 2012-05-23 16:58

      dont worry they will pay for their corrupt ways. verry soon no one carries on injustice to the poor will be left. its not the corupt justice system we have that will make them pay. someone is watching all the crimes and they will pay.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 17:27

      @Tebogo - let us hope you are right, because it's disheartening for all our nation regardless of color to be governed by a select few crooks...

  • Venus - 2012-05-23 16:09

    De Lange for President! So we do have some afrikaners with brain,its just sad that the robbers might even kill him without recognising him thinking he is 1 of those racist dogs.

      Tax - 2012-05-23 16:28

      Venus you penis how can you, an obvious racist pig, refer to somebody else as racist? Go look at yourself if you can afford a mirror that is..

      Bheki Mpofu - 2012-05-23 16:42

      @vandeventer-stop being pious and sanctimonious,you are not better than blacks.Bitch.

      Fascisti - 2012-05-23 16:43

      Hmm Tax, so as the liberal you are, you believe it right to insult those who have opposing views to you? hmm maybe you should look in the mirror and think about how you are just as prejudiced as the racists you point fingers at

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:54

      Venus - It was la Grange! And I agree with you. He is a very brave man. There are many brave Afrikaners that will honour our president. I am one of them.

      Fascisti - 2012-05-23 16:54

      Bheki. Stop using convoluted language to make yourself feel clever. you arent.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:54

      @vandeventer.sarel...I am white and appalled at that statement. I am no better than a black man living on the street! You are a troll! Query the comment and do not insult someones person!

      Peter - 2012-05-23 16:57

      @Venus - You are also one of those racist dogs you talk about just an FYI

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 17:08

      eli - See - If you read comments like those of vandeventer - you will also be ashamed of being a white Afrikaner! Luckily not all of us are like that! And the problem is most of those conservative right wing - black hating Afrikaners are voting DA these days. Trust me I know what I am talking about. Ek is Afrikaans en ek ken die spul!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 17:11

      hahahahaha...Venus, That's a bit harsh...Many are Educated in all Cultures.

      Bheki Mpofu - 2012-05-23 17:12

      AnrchistTendency-i urge you to not turn this discussion into an anarchy because of your archaic tendencies.My language is not convoluted,but my tone is a bit offensive to vandeventer.sarel.

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 17:13

      En van de Venter Sarel - As jy regtig Afrikaans was, sou jy geweet het mens spel dit "Afrikaner" nie "Afrikaaner" nie!

      Tax - 2012-05-23 17:35

      So white totsi you couldn't get a white girlfriend hey?

      Tax - 2012-05-23 17:38

      So white totsi you couldn't get a white girlfriend hey?

  • Dale - 2012-05-23 16:10

    HE IS NOTHING BUT A VANDEL. AND HE USES RACE TO TRY AND EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS. @NHAMO.. NO BURNING DOWN THE GALLEY IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION.WHY DO YOU THINK THAT?? WHY MUST YOU DESTORY EVERYTHING YOU DONT BELIEVE IN

  • Glenn - 2012-05-23 16:11

    Idiot

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-23 16:57

      Is that your nickname,or last name?

      dumisiledee - 2012-05-24 09:16

      Just because Barend la Grange has morals, values and respect for another person he's being labeled an idiot? look at the mirror Glenn you'll definately see a moron, idiot, dumb*ss prick that's staring back. All of you WHITES that are against this man for taking action about this racist tension are just idiots. Big ups to you professor for doing something about this, you tried your best....

  • fiona.williamson - 2012-05-23 16:12

    Constitutional freedom of speech and association? I am disgusted that our democracy has been tainted by these actions. Its as good as burning books cause you dont agree with the author.

  • Loo - 2012-05-23 16:13

    bwahahah SPEARKILLER

  • Peter - 2012-05-23 16:18

    "On Thursday the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg will hear an ANC application to have the painting taken down." the painting has been taken down and is destroyed stop wasting my tax money!!!!

      scrone.ferreira - 2012-05-23 17:22

      Uh, the original is already in Germany with the dude that bought it. They defaced a print. Anyone that hasn't heard of "The Streisand Effect" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_Effect

  • Charlie - 2012-05-23 16:18

    That's nice. Another christian who thinks he's god.

  • marius.bailey - 2012-05-23 16:19

    I love South Africa. Never a boring moment. Amandla!

      Peter - 2012-05-23 17:06

      I would prefer a boring moment im tired of hearing about all this racism, he said she said bs and finger pointing. People need to start acting like the adults they are

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 17:14

      Agreed Peter, Behave like Adults instead of behaving like kids that have lost their toys.

  • magomarele - 2012-05-23 16:19

    They should make another similar painting and display it. I'll go physically guard it myself. I'll castrate any idiot who comes close to vandalising it, period.

      Morwa - 2012-05-23 16:32

      how can u castrate someone if u'rnt castrated

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-23 16:55

      Thola wena thokolosi towe

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-23 16:19

    Nice one Prof!!! Liza Essers was saying she will never remove the portrait and it took you just 15 seconds to make sure she choke on her words. Morality of the story, Liza words can also choke you not just giving the assaulting guard a bj

      mmenzisco - 2012-05-23 17:00

      Well Liza is a hypocrite. She only realize now that the painting was dividing the nation. "The gallery had recognised how divided the country had become over the painting." ""We must take cognisance of all responses to our exhibitions and do not value one opinion above another."" The ethics only kick now after the vandalization of the painting. She only realize now that as much as there is freedom of expression, but the was other right that needed to be looked at. Shame!!! Because that was suppose to be done before the exhibition started.

  • Sanza09 - 2012-05-23 16:20

    Le Grange: 'it took the high court to remove the painting but it took me 15 seconds' Have won over all comedians

  • Craig - 2012-05-23 16:23

    Tselane Tambo (daughter of the late Oliver Tambo) posted "So JZ has had his portrait painted and he doesn't like it. Do the poor enjoy poverty? Do the unemployed enjoy hopelessness? Do those who can't get housing enjoy homelessness? He must get over it. No one is having a good time. He should inspire the reverence he craves....

      Malavi10 - 2012-05-23 16:59

      Tselane Tambo (daughter of the late Olivier Tambo)...right there is the clue u retarded fool. to her is not personal because is not her father that is portrayed this way u sick fool!

      Peter - 2012-05-23 17:07

      @Malavi10 - its not your father either....

  • sifisomashile - 2012-05-23 16:23

    how brave!!! We need transformed people in this country...

  • Jamba - 2012-05-23 16:25

    Please my brothers, this thing is making me tired now. Please can we move on.

  • Leonard Mokgotlhwe - 2012-05-23 16:26

    Mr Zuma must be respected no matter what

      Loo - 2012-05-23 16:27

      RESPECT im afraid is EARNED

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:30

      And then because you respect your elders, what is your opinion of the Hellen Zille picture?

      Dale - 2012-05-23 16:30

      TO GET RESPECT YOU MUST FIRST GIVE RESPECT

      dulile.sowagahlubikalangalibalele - 2012-05-24 08:59

      Leonard, why waste your time on this website? Some reply to you as if Zuma ever disrespected them. Such racists don't use their real names coz it's the only way they can show who they really are. Zuma isn't my favourite but he has never even insulted anyone, or show disprect to even to those thankless people like Pieter Mulder and Helen Zille who say blacks can't lay claim to the entire land and that some are refugees. People on this site speak about freedom of choice and rights, as if Zuma doesn't deserve the same. But now it becomes clear that in this country there are them and us. We need more like the 58yr defacer of the paiting, to show such racists the bigger pictures because these racists keep provoking us daily, and if not careful they will run this country down.

  • Vuyiswa - 2012-05-23 16:27

    Well done gentlemen big up to you.You have showed us bosso kemang.15 seconds you closed the gallery heppppi

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 16:30

      Unfortunately (for you), the gallery will open again...

  • steve.werner.334 - 2012-05-23 16:32

    Come on Nando's, bet you could do something!

  • ASRPringle - 2012-05-23 16:35

    La Grange is absolute moronic fence sitter,If the painting is offensive and incites racial tension let the justice system takes its course and remove the 'offending' item. Performing a criminal act of vandalism is not a 'calculated risk' its a criminal act and should be treated as such.

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-23 16:39

      Totally agree.

      Malavi10 - 2012-05-23 16:51

      Blah blah blah...yawning!

  • njabulom - 2012-05-23 16:36

    Wow, well said Professor, kudos to you, and the other black chap for a job well done.

  • Jacques - 2012-05-23 16:39

    Criminals – not newsworthy

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-05-23 16:39

    Give that whitey a Bell's!

      Ansie Van Der Gryp - 2012-05-23 16:46

      empty skull !!

      WhiteTsotsi - 2012-05-23 16:52

      No he deserves a Johnnie Walker Blue label!

  • Tawizee - 2012-05-23 16:39

    News24 is becoming twitter. They keep on trending the #Spear stories over and over again.

  • Loo - 2012-05-23 16:40

    Mid life crisis ????

  • Bheki Nas - 2012-05-23 16:42

    tik tik at its best..keep on smokin...15 min of fame...no ever heard of you before only yo family..nw evrbody is talking about you..u da man..

  • Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-23 16:49

    Professor Le Grange for president,what a wise move.

  • is0chronous - 2012-05-23 16:50

    These people obviously do not understand the value or function of art.

  • thabani.alfred - 2012-05-23 16:56

    Barend just proven tht nt all whites r socialy ignorant n stupid...gud oné.

      monkinsane - 2012-05-28 13:49

      racist

  • danie.malan - 2012-05-23 16:58

    I find it quite odd that two people happen to arrive exactly at the same time at the painting without knowing about each other's motive. Coincidence? I don't think so....

  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 17:00

    This Iconic spirit we call COMRADE La Grange. I am lost for superlatives, however to describe you as the Spirit of the New RSA is all I can do for now. Tears roll down me cheeks reading this Prophet like message. You sir, Have made my Month.... Now how do we get the Detractors to see the Light...........???????

  • Nicola - 2012-05-23 17:01

    Very valuable aret work... Mmmm

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-05-23 17:04

    Lets make a toast to the douchebag and lets toast the a$$hole that made that painting.

  • pleiades.alberts - 2012-05-23 17:04

    A medical Dr. receives R1000 bail for rape. 2 men caught vandalising a painting are also given R1000 bail. A crime is a crime but surely rape is a far worse crime than vandalism? R100 000 bail for rape would make more sense. Our justice system seems to view ruining a painting and ruining a life with the same eyes. In my humble, personal opinion it's quite clear why we live in a society filled with hijackings, murders, rapes. A human life has the same (or less) moral value than a painting #justsaying

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 17:21

      The Entire Judicial system needs to be overhauled. Too many agendas are prevalent.

  • Rams - 2012-05-23 17:05

    And that was Brett's claim to fame. Stupid'o!!! This country doesn't need non-entities like YOU!!!

  • Hallo - 2012-05-23 17:06

    I like his reasoning. What do you think blacks? Why you hatin again? Why pain all whites with the same brush?

  • Martin - 2012-05-23 17:26

    Dear President, You are not free until you are able to embrace critisism. Critisism does not develop on its own, its cause are actions or the projection of a persona by others. True or not is irelevant! True and false accusations are a daily occurance worldwide, in particular in the political arena. Agrovated defensiveness is a form of guilt. There is nothing more powerful than the truth, only truth is sustainalbe. If there were no truth in that painting, it would not be possible to hurt you. It be a joke and irelevant to you. Art or any other form of physically unharmful expression has a key role to play in society. To sensor it will set nobody free, it will confine you more and be the cause for further "free" expression you will not like. It is irelevant what anybodies opinion of any kind of such expression is. It is an opinion, a visual or other projection of it, only relevant to the individual who made it. Everybody else involved, chooses to do be, making it relevant to him/herself by choice. It is the freedom on their part to do so and to take sides. Ss long as these differences are voiced, lived, recognized, accepted, and remain in form of dialogue, do you live in a healthy democracy. SA's democracy is truly happening, its growing up and maturing! It's a GREAT discussion, its influence is much bigger than any painting could ever be... As such, the painting was the helpful cause for our Nation to grown further. A worthy leader would embrace that!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 17:32

      The growth of Division, Well done ...........

      mgane.sebolai - 2012-05-23 18:46

      Nonsence

      Druu - 2012-05-23 18:54

      If you actually understand irrelevant you wouldn't have waisted your time writing the book cause you are very irrelevant.

  • tuwanir - 2012-05-23 17:31

    Good

  • Rubin - 2012-05-23 17:33

    Ayanda a black person also draw n naked pic of zuma and tutu i think 2/3 years ago n nobody cry foul. To me its more a race isue wiv da anc

      Druu - 2012-05-23 18:44

      You there know that it is not about him as a person, it's,about the presidency chair,he is sitting on. If anyone can just disrespect the president as he wish, what about you normal citizen- people will easily walk over you in the name of art. think big it will broaden your understanding.,

  • Tebogo - 2012-05-23 17:40

    if i was a president going through all that i would never go for a second term. is it worth all the money and social status to stay were pple disrespect u? i respect mbeki for stepping down when he was recalled. now he still enjoys much of his dignity and respect.

      monkinsane - 2012-05-28 13:54

      Yes! I agree JZ should step down as well, and the ANC along with him, they are clearly not capable of running a country.