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Why only blacks killed at Marikana - ANCYL

2012-09-08 22:01

Durban - South Africa should question why no whites were among those killed in the Marikana shootout, the ANC Youth League (ANCYL) said on Saturday.

"We must be worried that 100% of those shot were black," acting ANC Youth League president Ronald Lamola said.

He was speaking at the 21st anniversary celebration of the SA Student's Congress (Sasco) in Durban.

He told guests that South Africa should be worried that there were "so few" whites and Indians in student movements.

When Sasco was formed 21-years ago white and Indian students participated in it, he said.

"Where are those students? In a non racial movement, this should worry us. We must be able to see a rainbow nation everywhere."

The ongoing inequality in the economy was preventing the country from becoming a true rainbow nation because white males were in control, said Lamola.

"The ruling class is still dominated by white people."

Lamola welcomed the judicial commission of inquiry into the Marikana incident but urged it to investigate the extent of Lonmin's profit.

On August 16, 34 striking miners were gunned down by police at the

Lonmin mine in the North West province. Another 78 were injured.

Lamola insisted that the "recruitment strategy" of Lonmin need to be closely looked at.

He urged Sasco members to "study hard" so that the strategy of nationalising mines could be carried out.

He said the league had identified manganese, platinum and gold mines as those that needed to be nationalised, along with petrochemical giant Sasol.

Hypocrites

Earlier, Young Communist League secretary Buti Manamela said Lonmin's role in the shooting, and the reasons behind the protest by miners needed to be investigated.

"People do not go on strike because the police are not properly trained," said Manamela.

Congress of SA Trade Union president Sdumo Dlamini also welcomed the launch of the inquiry.

He, however, said it was disturbing that there were "hypocrites" who had accused Cosatu and its affiliate - the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) - of demanding too much before the shooting and then accused them of doing too little in the aftermath.

Workers were demanding a wage increase of R12 500.

Dlamini dismissed any suggestion of making mines ungovernable.

"You can't call for the ungovernability of the mining sector and hope that the miner will keep their jobs."

He described the call for the "mines to be collapsed" as the work of "demagogues".

On 30 August, expelled ANCYL leader Julius Malema vowed to lead a revolution that would make all mines in the country ungovernable.

"We are going to lead a mining revolution in this country... We will run these mines ungovernable until the boers come to the table," he told workers at the Aurora mine in Grootvlei at the time.

Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba warned that the the youth should "desist from elevating individuals above the movement [ANC].

He said the ANC came first and it was against "hero worshipping".

Gigaba warned that there was a real danger of a counter revolution by former ANC members, and that the mining sector needed introspection as there was a clear indication that something was wrong.

Comments
  • dave.leverton - 2012-09-08 22:09

    Eish. It's obvious why no whites were killed Lamola - they bought the expensive muti and didn't kill the rabbit. Or perhaps it's because no whites were striking.

      johann.oosthuizen.980 - 2012-09-08 22:17

      They should ask Woolworths.

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-09-08 23:01

      Sorry Dave, I saw your comment only after I posted mine.....great minds???? ;-))

      punungwe - 2012-09-09 00:36

      Simple answer. Because whites do not murder fellow workers or believe sangomas can make them invincible and invisible!!!!

      fussed.anderson - 2012-09-09 07:52

      @ JannieJammerGat -Well someone has to pull something outa the hat

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-09 13:36

      JannieJammaergat, same here, another sleepless night thinking of that poor little creature, the only innocent victim in this saga. May he be playing happily, while munching carrots, in bunnie heaven.

      preshen.govender.90 - 2012-09-09 17:31

      Indian Mine worker did not get the Memo about the strike

      henryian73 - 2012-09-09 18:18

      We in this crisis thanks to Malema who wanted to 'Kill for Zuma'. When the DA warned our nation to 'STOP ZUMA' Malema said we will kill for him and now. Our country have become the laughing stock of the world and all the top leadership in our nation only interested in their own back pockets and that includes Malema. Its not about the poor. They just being used for the power hungry and greedy lot stealing millions form us all. Where did all Malema's millions come from? In Limpopo you will find the answers. No school books for the poor but a few very wealthy leaders. And yet the millions follow blindly hoping he the hero to help them. If he was why did he pocket the miilions he did that was meant for the poor. Interesting times and yet the poor follow the corrupt like nothing.

      chris.nel.35 - 2012-09-09 18:27

      The "Boers" don't own these mines you thick head.

      abdullah.abdullah.31105 - 2012-09-09 18:54

      But why were no whites striking? it is a good question.

      Vince.York - 2012-09-09 19:14

      this Ronald Lamola gives an entirely new meaning to "grassroots"!!!!!!!

      koos.meyer.52 - 2012-09-09 20:24

      This DO#OS is even dumber than Malema, he must have gotten an H for woodwork!!

      John - 2012-09-09 21:46

      Was it a white rabbit? If so, then they can't say 'no whites were killed' ;) poor, wabbit! He didn't know it was wabbit season!

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-09 22:40

      I see News24 removed my post that said. WTF is this guy smoking so ill just post it here AGAIN

      william.nigh.5 - 2012-09-10 06:18

      Ha! These guys sing 'Kill the Boer' and then wonder why no whites join their ranks?? WTF??

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-09-10 06:43

      Ronald looks like a Nigerian!!

      Rudolf - 2012-09-10 08:42

      The question should rather be "Why only dumb idiots in the youff-leag"...?? malema... lamola.... I rest my case and my question.

      demi.davidson.18 - 2012-09-10 09:05

      ANCYL should rather shut up and be thought a fool than open their mouths and have it confirmed!

      maltacular.zinj - 2012-09-10 12:51

      @James lol. How long did it take you to make that?

      chuck.farley.104418 - 2012-09-10 13:36

      The same reason there are only black people playing for Bafana....

      procold2 - 2012-09-10 16:12

      " because white males were in control," "The ruling class is still dominated by white people." THESE ARE THE EXACT STATEMENT THAT PREVENT THIS COUNTRY BECOMING A RAINBOW NATION,ANOTHER THING IS WHY THE COUNTRY IS MOSTLY RUN BY WHITE MALES AS YOU PUT IT IS BECAUSE WE WORK AND DONT PROTEST, THIS IS ALSO PROBERLY THE REASON WHY ONLY BLACKS WERE SHOT A@@HOLE.

      machaven - 2012-09-10 16:25

      It almost seems as if Julias is working for the YCL to bring about nationalised mines.

  • thys.devilliers.94 - 2012-09-08 22:09

    Sis that doo...see any white people striking?????????????????

      John - 2012-09-09 21:48

      There would've been at least one courageous white wabbit, but he got killed in the name of the strike.. :)

      fredster.mania.5 - 2012-09-10 07:34

      If 100% strikers were black, why no whites killed...now that is a very good question. Maybe a woodworking St8 can answer that

      Rudolf - 2012-09-10 08:43

      Or Not Fredster, or not....

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-09-10 10:24

      No whites were striking. They know better than to strike and lose their only income.

      heathway.master - 2012-09-10 15:26

      SA is now being rated as a country with the worst labour - employer relationship in the world, and having the most militant and demanding labour force. The government is introducing new legislation whereby firms will be fined 2% of annual earnings if found guilty of transgressing any labour legislation. Second offence will result in a fine of 10% of annual earnings. All contract labour has been made illegal. In response all industry is mechanising as much as is possible to reduce human labour. Fin News 24 indicates that SA is now entering a labour recession period, as jobs have been lost continuously as the year progresses. With this background I wonder if Zuma's priority of creating more jobs for the unemployed masses is really going to be achieved.

  • zeepolar - 2012-09-08 22:10

    LOL!!! you've gotta be kidding me!!! hahahahahahaha. LOL. WTF????????LOL!!! wat an idiot. does it matter what race the "victims" were?? would it make it less tragic if white ppl had been killed?? mxm. wat a fool

      Rudolf - 2012-09-10 08:44

      HAAAA HAHAHAHAHA!! ROFL!! Brilliant Clifford!!! Brilliant....

      ludick.media - 2012-09-10 10:08

      totally agree Zeepolar! They turned this thing into a political mine field for their own gain, now they want to play the oh so tired race card because they have been caught with their pants down. Bloody idiot

  • heihachi.mishima.7731 - 2012-09-08 22:10

    WTF kind of logic is this. everything that comes out of these peoples mouths is mind numbing! we are in for a tough time

      digger.dighead - 2012-09-09 05:50

      I know quite a few very bright and promising black young people through my son and when I ask why they don't go into politics and save us the answer always the same. "No way....I am sorry to say but the majority of my people are too blinded". They will never listen to reason and if you try you are just a puppet of the white man.... I have pleaded with them because they are what we need, new realistic ideas that could make a difference to most of South Africa's...not all because that’s impossible.

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-09 12:12

      It is alarming that in the not too distant future people like this will more than likely hold powerful, highly-paid positions in govt. We should be extremely concerned that they cannot phrase a simple thought coherently and yet they'll manage to convince many they can run a country coherently

  • herman.heil - 2012-09-08 22:11

    How dumb is are the black youth leaders????

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-08 23:42

      Extremely dumb to the power of infinity

      sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-09-08 23:47

      Very!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and a breeding ground for future ANC leaders, God help us we doomed as a country and as a people.

      christopher.steinbach - 2012-09-10 13:18

      Hows dumbs ees the blacks youths leadersh? Slightly grammatical error corrected

  • jason.croxford.56 - 2012-09-08 22:12

    And a partridge in a pear tree!!

  • mynhardt.johan - 2012-09-08 22:13

    Lol, what a noob

  • zeepolar - 2012-09-08 22:13

    and there are no white/ indian/ coloured students in those stupid movements coz they would be lost if they were part of them. i have attended sasco meetings several times, they speak a language that only comrades understand and keep singing struggle songs in zulu/xhosa. they talk about race all the time in those meetings, white students would feel uneasy.

      ludick.media - 2012-09-10 10:11

      Zee also, i dont let unions fight my battles for me nor tell me to charge cops with guns. I do my own negotiations. Plus im uneasy with the fact that they speak about "our people" and in the sentance then exclude white people like myself struggling to earn a living because of stuff the national party did

  • krish.reddy.104 - 2012-09-08 22:14

    How much more stupid can you get ???????????????????????

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-09 14:59

      Give the THING one more brain cell and it would bark!!!!

      johan.opperman1 - 2012-09-09 20:58

      @Bradley: if you give this guy one more braincell.....it will still be a very lonely braincell.

      charnelle.bester - 2012-09-09 21:41

      Its like this guy has white people on his brain... He is like a little drone programmed to say one thing and one thing only - "Must kill white people".

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-10 17:54

      It's like - Ronald, your two brain cells are fighting with each other again, aren't they?

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-09-08 22:14

    Maybe if you organised peaceful protests where people are told to bring posters instead of weapons. Then more people would attend. Protesters don't need weapons, you carry weapons to war. War against your own country and police force is called treason.

  • lownabester - 2012-09-08 22:16

    Duh, no whites striking, or being stupid enough to get killed/

  • chris.booise - 2012-09-08 22:16

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Provence - 2012-09-08 22:16

    Ronald McDonald is back for another free hamburger. One days silence for this brain dead human being.

  • iceman196 - 2012-09-08 22:17

    omg, thats it, just when i thought it was impossible to get any more stupid this guys raises the bar, did you see any whites striking lamola, no one did , do you know why? One they werent striking and 2 your governments racist bee policys make it impossible for whites to get a job as a miner, and please stop picking your pimples, its disgusting, freaking moron

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-09-08 22:17

    is this article an early April fools joke for next year, that can only explain anyone publishing this, or is the anc youth league part of ashton kutchers punked, cause thats the only way i can explain this article

  • charnelle.bester - 2012-09-08 22:18

    Is he in competition with old Julius to see who can be the biggest moron?

      marcia.greune - 2012-09-09 10:56

      Maybe we should start a new tv show... The biggest morons - starring the ANCYL

  • nmunyai - 2012-09-08 22:20

    Stupid statement!

  • fef.gericke - 2012-09-08 22:22

    because we love bunny rabbits...

  • frederikrudolph.vandyk - 2012-09-08 22:23

    So what you guys going to do Lamola? A new quota for the amount per race killed in your upcoming "mining revolution"??? You people are really a farce!!

  • jan.vanommen.10 - 2012-09-08 22:24

    Hahahahahahaha..... hahahahahahahaaaaa.... hahahahahaaa.... yeah, why were there no whites on that hill! I WANNA KNOW, RIGHT NOW! hahahahahahahaaaa... puppets.

  • nel.westhuizen - 2012-09-08 22:24

    Why no whites were killed? I think they were working.

      asdhasgd - 2012-09-09 08:41

      OUCH!!!! XD

      stanton.clarke - 2012-09-09 12:25

      Not doing back breaking work down the mineshafts....thats what is he implying.

      leon.vonsolms - 2012-09-09 20:05

      Well said.

      ludick.media - 2012-09-10 10:16

      @stanton. My grandfather and 2 uncles worked in mines.Back breaking indeed. My grandfather died because of it. They didnt have all the extras, salaries, security stuff then that the miners have today. One still works in a mine. So grow up.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-10 10:48

      Burn!!!!

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-09-11 08:31

      In Australia....

  • susan.greyling - 2012-09-08 22:24

    Ironically, when I was at Wits, the only year the majority of students voted in SRC elections it was to get rid of Floyd Shivambu.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-08 23:13

      Was he as racist and stupid then?

      ludick.media - 2012-09-10 10:17

      When will Lamola complain about the name "WIts University" btw...

  • mknnko003 - 2012-09-08 22:24

    Malema Squared

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-09 13:57

      Yeah, its like watching "Dumb and Dumber", all over again!

  • Xolile.namane - 2012-09-08 22:28

    These guys are just beyond repairs,the less any sane person pays attention to them the better!

      hein.huyser - 2012-09-09 11:05

      @ Xolile, what is of concern is that the international world read these articles as well, and they form opinions of us based on idiots like Malema, Lamola and Zuma. Would you invest your pension money on a stock exchange where these people are considered the "leaders"? So don't blame them for moving their investments, which is the bloodline of any upcoming economy. We internally have serious problems as well, because these morons have people believing them and actually defending and following them. We need a voice of reason and leaders with intelligence. We all deserve better Vote them out Vote them out

      ludick.media - 2012-09-10 10:18

      True Xolile. Attention seeking idiots who, when they have nothing to say, uses an event like marikana to gain votes.

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-09-08 22:30

    all hail the future of the anc

  • lbrandcarstens - 2012-09-08 22:31

    I really hope that Robert Maloma was misquoted or that this statement was taken out of context, otherwise I have to join Theo Hahahahahahhahahahahahahhagaha Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahagaga Hahahahahahahhaga .... Oh.... Breathe....... HahahahahahahhgHHHahahahahahahah

  • riaan.mostert.58 - 2012-09-08 22:33

    "We must be worried that 100% of those shot were black," Would we be least worried if at least one had been white? It seems even the death toll need to reflect the demographics of a county.

      anton.coetzee.37 - 2012-09-09 06:41

      if they were white we wouldnt have had news to read about because we WHITES are not good enough to make news headlines!

      Truthis - 2012-09-09 09:56

      Why are the strikes not demographically representative of the make up of the population. ROTFLMAO!!

  • SimonC1969 - 2012-09-08 22:33

    Why not whites killed? Why very few whites and Indians in student movements? Because instead of striking, they are working their butts off trying to build a future for themselves, their families and their country, instead of seeing how fast they can destroy it by sitting on their lazy whinging asses, picking their noses and attacking the police with spears and firearms. After-which they bitch like 2 year olds because the police opened fire on them.

  • Thecoach - 2012-09-08 22:33

    It is actually a very good question to ask! If there were no whites to shoot does it mean that there were no white employed to strike to be shot? That raises the question about Quotas, where are the quota white miners that would also strike if there were white miners? So are Lonmin employing enough miners of other races?

  • matshekem - 2012-09-08 22:34

    lol...mmmm maybe its because there were only black miners strikking...does everything have to about race?

      sean.kedian - 2012-09-10 16:57

      so far as Lamola is concerned, yes

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-08 22:34

    This is what the cANCer products are made off, they can't think out of the box but want to run a economy of a country which has got 50million population, the sooner the ANC loose power the better.

  • alaina.nel.12 - 2012-09-08 22:34

    Lamola,who gave you that stupid brain and face.Don't be shy.....Please tell us

      Rob.Gill.03 - 2012-09-08 23:02

      I think he should actually be saying less, not more.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-08 23:18

      Siyanda, you also don't get it Lamola is an idiot. The simple answer is that there were no whites employed by the mine who wanted to strike, it is called free choice. There were no whites who wanted to gather on a hill and attack the police with spears. No whites want to join SASCO because of fools like Lamola who are racist and seem to think that they should be given everything.

      leon.vonsolms - 2012-09-09 20:09

      I think he inherited it from his stupid mother and father.

      tate.morele - 2012-09-11 02:30

      u racist whites

  • thozi - 2012-09-08 22:35

    What a great pity that the two dimwits, julius malema and ronald lamola, both black, were not at the Marikana koppie "mishandling the rabbit" on 16 August 2012...

  • dawid.roodt.9 - 2012-09-08 22:35

    It seems the Police used racist bullets - shame on them!

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-09 01:39

      Nice Siyanda is agreeing that he doesn't use his brain. How noble

      riaan.mostert.58 - 2012-09-09 10:40

      Sorry, Sibumba This diversion tactic of blacks has lost its effectiveness a long time ago. Maybe you should just face the facts :-D

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-08 22:36

    Floyd you are such an idiot. Whites sing and dance in clubs or at home parties, not in the streets on strike. We have taught our children to discuss problems with there boss, they don't need a youth league or a union.

  • sylvia.shaw.7 - 2012-09-08 22:38

    Maybe because there were no striking white miners there? Is Ronald the mouthpiece, suggesting that the police should have gone out and rounded up a few whites to even out the numbers? As for the Aurora mine; I think someone needs to tell him that it's actually owned by Zuma's nephew and Mandela's grandson, not the 'boers'.

  • lephans.lufuno - 2012-09-08 22:40

    How do u kil some who is not protesting? I think de statement u made is unfortunate. It does'nt has a direction or solution to de problem but instead worsening it. I am disappointed on u Lamola.

      leon.vonsolms - 2012-09-09 20:11

      The not de. Grammar and spelling.

  • seipatigiven.ramoshu - 2012-09-08 22:41

    I am black and don't really support their statement.I thought abt it and after some time I came to the conclusion that its the lack of educatio.don't think anyone with matric,no matter the race would have done that\been killed\

      langalakhe.manqele - 2012-09-08 23:17

      Asking such a question in itself is dangerous, I hope we all rise above it and try to resolve on the challenges that we are facing as a nation. In fact it is an embarrassment to the nation as a whole.

      michelle.kirsten - 2012-09-09 01:11

      I agree, or at least most certainly hope so. As educator I can only pray that enough people may think like you!

      joyce.beeton - 2012-09-10 09:48

      Absolutely. An educated person would NEVER believe that you can drink some type of "muti" and become invisible or that bullets will not kill you. It is time for leadership to come forward, stand up and speak out about rubbish like this and it is an appropriate time because 34 people are now dead. Instead they are pointing fingers at the Lonmin management. What a bunch of losers!!!

      rosa.demelo - 2012-09-10 14:21

      well said!!!!!

  • george.vanderwalt - 2012-09-08 22:44

    HUH ?????

  • Bfoq.Za - 2012-09-08 22:50

    And the farce continues! From moron to idiot. Such are the future leaders of our esteemed and competent ruling party... Viva stupidity! Viva

  • Partiboy - 2012-09-08 22:56

    ANCYL - The future of this country. God help us all. What is the point of making such a dumb statement? FML these guys need to shut the f*ck up already and stop resorting to race over every issue!

  • gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-09-08 23:00

    hahahhaa...ha. It is not possible for anyone on the planet to be more stupid than this lot.

  • elsbeth.verhoeven - 2012-09-08 23:03

    hahaha

  • butter.nut.37 - 2012-09-08 23:04

    forget them whoooooooo hoooooooooo Oscar!!!!!!

  • Claire Smuts - 2012-09-08 23:05

    Um, I guess it might have something to do with the fact that there weren't any whites among those striking? Just a thought...

  • eidel.bock - 2012-09-08 23:06

    Analyse the word responsibility and you might find the answer...

  • yolanda.bezuidenhoutfraser - 2012-09-08 23:09

    Ok let's explain it this way:\r\n1: BBEEE nd EE is used, like in Woolworths and SAL, to eliminate whites from employment. You want all the jobs. \r\n2: Due to the lack of white representation, black peopke lost their lifes.\r\n3: Whites don't use traditional healers and rabbits to resolve a dispute. They engange is discussions, see the bigger picture and resolve the issue by meeting halfway.\r\n4: whites will not engage in any negtiation with knopkieries and sharp objects that can hurt people. \r\n5: I have pictures of how you strike force used their weapons on the security guards. In human does not describe that. Burning a body till his feet fused together. Slashing his scull so there is pieces missing. So do you really think whites will be part of such barbaric groups that has no empathy for human life? After seeing those photos, I understand the police reaction when they shot at the mob. \r\nDon't ask about whites. Rather ask why is the ANCYL trying to pin this on race?? What democratic country do you live in?

  • clive.toerien - 2012-09-08 23:11

    This is the most racist thing i have heard in my life

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-09-08 23:14

    Probably because they got conned re the muti. Or just maybe, the SAPS had to neutralise an armed, menacing mob which was not just interested in hunting down a rabbit!

  • ruan.lacock - 2012-09-08 23:14

    ...omg....Lamoelle....u sound really daft.....you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer !!