'Why shouldn't you be fired?'

2011-08-28 12:10

Johannesburg - National police commissioner General Bheki Cele has asked crime intelligence boss Richard Mdluli to tell him why he should not be fired, according to a report on Sunday.

The Sunday Independent reported that it was in possession of a confidential letter by Cele, dated August 20, in which he gives Mdluli seven days to explain why he should remain a member of the police service.

Cele reportedly said in the letter that it was undesirable for Mdluli to be employed by the SA Police Service and it created a negative impact when the seniority of his position and its nature was taken into account.

"For a divisional commissioner of crime intelligence to remain under the employment of the service (SAPS) while he has the most serious allegations hanging over him is untenable and works against the interests of the service," Cele said.

Mdluli is facing murder, conspiracy to commit murder, kidnapping, intimidation and assault, and defeating the ends of justice charges in the Boksburg Magistrate's Court.

The charges are connected to a crime that was allegedly committed between 1998 and 1999. Mdluli and three others are accused of killing Oupa Ramogibe in 1999.

Ramogibe, who married Mdluli's ex-lover, was allegedly told to leave her or he would be killed. He had opened an attempted murder case before his death.

At the time, Mdluli was the station commissioner at the Vosloorus police station in Boksburg, on the East Rand.

He is currently out on R20 000 bail.

National police spokesperson colonel Vish Naidoo told the Sunday newspaper that he was not aware of the letter.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-28 12:15

    The pot calling the kettle black perhaps?

      cliffarc - 2011-08-28 12:46

      - OMG - How rich is that coming from a corrupt thief ? And what a sad indictment of law and order in this country, that someone with that criminal record is not already sitting in jail.

      SolomonMagalefa - 2011-08-28 12:46

      Not really and quite irrelevant @gatvol... Mr Cele has a very valid point so at least give credit where it is due.

      Charlie - 2011-08-28 12:47

      Is Cele serious, where the hell do all these anc farts get brought up & educated, the levels of dishonesty, corruption and stupidity are astounding...time for you anc fools to look around and see what a disgrace you are to this country! You were given a functioning country on a silver platter, and as soon as any one of you get a chance all you do is steal, steal, steal & destroy! Disgraceful...The "leaders" are thieves telling thieves not to steal!

      debrakayestylist - 2011-08-28 12:54

      Like "Moeletsi Mbeki FOR President" if you are gatvol of corruption

      minimac - 2011-08-28 12:57

      no, you cant call the kettle black anymore, its racist!

      Macho Mike - 2011-08-28 13:04

      Eish, ANC comedy at it's best. One Chief Thief challenging another Chief Thief. Both should be fired, and both are simply useless.

      cliffarc - 2011-08-28 20:04

      - @ Solomon - you are like a stuck record in your defence of the indefensible.

      umlaut - 2011-08-28 20:22

      @debrakayestylist---Moeletsi Mbeki will need a complete new government and state officials and town councils. If you must use the old ones after an election (you can't just fire all, all at once,) he will need 5m policeman (and where do you get 5m honest policeman?) to police 5m corrupt old anc . Each one of them will have to be watched 24 hours per day. This will cost the country say R500000 million per month. he will need to train them to be honest(you agree that is impossible) So the attempt will cost him another R500000 million per month. It will proof to be futile--so he imports 5m black honest Americans (whites will still be an unpopular choice) This will cost another R950000 million per month. So in the end you see it is cheaper to sit with the corrupt anc as is. IT IS A LOST CASE--THE HARM IS ALREADY DONE. WE CAN ONLY CARRY ON AS WE are doing now. Transferring power to the anc in 1994 was the worst thing that could have happened to SA and we can thank uncle DeKlerk and the free world out there for all of this. You can not have an honest government if the nation didn't grow up with good values and if the parents were not good role models.. That is why the west is way ahead in development. So the best answer is to call Mbeki over for a sundowner and to keep on dreaming.

      Lauren - 2011-08-28 23:42

      Solomon, Cele does have a point, but gatvol's post is not irrelevant. So cliched...but two wrongs have never made a right.

      Netherlander - 2011-08-29 03:41

      gatvol... ROFLMAO... thats being RACIST!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

      AllHoliday - 2011-08-29 09:14

      I am at a loss for words, how is it possible for this person to still be employed by the SAP and in such a senior position also?? What is up with giving him 7 days to explain?? Would there be an acceptable explanation??

      iDubula - 2011-09-22 13:01

      More like Cele is giving this clown 7 days in which to buy him a new Range Rover as a present, which is of course reason enough not to fire him...

      patrickb - 2011-09-22 14:15

      Give him a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnce!

  • PinkAndProud - 2011-08-28 12:17

    When is the ANCrime Syndicate going to ask Crooked Cele these exact same questions? Also, when is Selebi going to be locked up?

      Netherlander - 2011-08-29 03:43

      Hopefully the TWO COMMISSIONERS WILL SHARE A CELL?????????????? Wouldn't that be WONDERFUL NEWS!!!! Hey...... I can dream you know..!!!!!

  • Deset Rat - 2011-08-28 12:21

    Perhaps Bheki Cele should be asking himself those questions why he should not be fired?

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-28 12:24

    It is undesirable for both Cele and Mdluli to be employed by SAPS. Fire them both!

  • valleyman - 2011-08-28 12:37

    Is Cele actually serious??? Maybe he should try stand up comedy in place of his day job. God knows, he seems to be pretty good at it...

  • derkus - 2011-08-28 12:54

    fire them both

      STARDUST - 2011-08-28 13:21

      They can not be fired. Only re-deployed.

  • Atoombom - 2011-08-28 13:00

    You can't fire me, because I'm black and that's racist, a nee a!!!!!!. Our constitution gives me the right to steal and defraud and murder as much as I like, cause Im black, a nee a!!!!

  • barry.mcbride - 2011-08-28 13:01

    “Why shouldn’t you be fired” because innocent until proven guilty, i.e. it should be along the lines of suspended until further notice.

      Netherlander - 2011-08-29 03:44

      By reading your comment, it seems like Robert the Killer is your brother... SHAME!

  • Macho Mike - 2011-08-28 13:04

    Eish, ANC comedy at it's best. One Chief Thief challenging another Chief Thief. Both should be fired, and both are simply useless.

  • Motho Feela - 2011-08-28 13:13

    Why has Cele not fired himself for being found against by the public protector?

  • RealitySux - 2011-08-28 13:13

    Look Mr (big deal) Cele, the reason he should NOT be fired yet is that he has not been found guilty in a competent court yet. He has been ACCUSED of serious crimes at this stage and should definitely be removed from his post until his trial makes a finding one way or the other, but you cannot apply unequal treatment to him, especially in light of the fact that it has not been allowed with other prominent people, including JZ. Let us also remember that people such as Julius Malema have indeed been found guilty of such crimes as hate speech and the only consequence thereto was he had to cough up some of his corruptly acquired loot to say "sorry". Get the trial against Mdluli wrapped up and if he is guilty, lock his behind up and you won't have to fire him. But also get other cases before the courts and make justice swift so that we South Africans can start to get some faith in our criminal justice system back.

  • Motho Feela - 2011-08-28 13:14

    They must both be fired

  • Charliej - 2011-08-28 13:15

    Standard police practice.

  • jakethepeg - 2011-08-28 13:45

    if it was't so serious it would be funny, anything to divert attention from himself in the hopesw we will all all forget. Not a chance matey!

  • Danny - 2011-08-28 13:50

    Why doesn't Bheki resign? After all he is more senior and implicated in much more. What an idiot!

  • Jean - 2011-08-28 13:51

    Moeletsi Mbeki wont even run for presidency

  • Yazied - 2011-08-28 14:00

    Please check the facts Charlie. The ANC was not given a functioning country. The Nats only provided for 9% of the country. Electricity shortages,home shortages for examples are inherited problems. I don't support corrupt practices but the ANC manifesto (on which our constitution is based) is one of the most liberal in the world. I thank Nelson Mandela and the ANC for providing me with the freedom i have today, no matter how trying the circumstances. I trust the corrupt politicians would be dealt with. Please note the previous regime pilfered the coffers before "handing over the country".

      gatvol4corru - 2011-08-28 14:56

      Yazied -- granted on the manifesto. On paper all looks great. However,the corrupt-incompetent masters will never make the manifesto a reality.Load the pockets comrades seems to be the main focus.

      tryanything - 2011-08-28 15:49

      Unfortunately the inherited problems are still with us .............A Better government would have got shot of them.

      Dominic - 2011-08-28 15:54

      The previous regime did pilfer before handing over. Fortunately their pilfering time was short enough to prevent serious damage to the economy. Problem with current regime there is no time limit, other than how long it takes to bankrupt the country. Madonsela warned that the situation is just that serious only last week. Unfortunately, with Libya and Malema in the headlines, her warning wasn't given the attention it so urgently deserves.

      umlaut - 2011-08-28 20:44

      yashied--was the country like Swaziland, Malawi, the Congo or name any african country when it was handed over? So go and check your facts first.

      CtC - 2011-08-28 22:34

      The fact is, although they (the NP) pilfered and stole out of the state coffers, EVERYTHING worked, railways, SAA, Eskom, sewer networks, water board etc etc etc. The other fact is, people moved into squatter camps on their own accord. They could have stayed in the land given to them. They had free reign there to build businesses, own land etc. But it is easier to say "Give me" and "We demand" And yes, there were and are housing shortages and no black diamonds, but stop raping the coffers to the extent where no money is left. It actually shows you how much the government cares about the people on the street.. NOTHING. You are just votes to earn us more money says the ANC.

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 00:09

      Granted. You are right. Where does it end though? You happy with what is happening now? Who is watching the gatekepper, Yazied? Who is going to deal with the corrupt when we all know our president avoided serious and legit charges of corruption? Your trust is a bit iffy, at best. Why hasn't it happened already? What are they waiting for?

  • Slapper - 2011-08-28 14:10

    Someone should ask Cele the same question.

  • Totman - 2011-08-28 15:31

    My thoughts is that if you feel the need to ask such a question you already know the answer/what to do. Why ask it?

  • tryanything - 2011-08-28 15:50

    Is Seven days enough to cook up some reasons....?

  • Corry - 2011-08-28 16:35

    I hope Cele is showing his boss, Zuma, how things should be handled and that zuma is going to ask Cele the same question!!!

  • chantal de pierres - 2011-08-28 18:46

    Of course he should be fired!

  • 2shy2call - 2011-08-29 09:40

    I think Cele should fire him before he too mobilises ANCYL. The junior position seems to be strong these days. Ouuch

  • Mmoledi - 2011-08-29 10:51

    When a person is holding high office in the country and be found guilty of any type of action that is not good, misconduct,fraud,corruption or involved in criminal activities such person should not be asked whether he should be fired or not as he should be he or she is a risk to the entire country. So now here the question is can a person found guilty of misconduct or corruption can fire another one charge with the same offence he or she has? so who should fire who then from work? Because Bheki Cele was found guilty of misconduct, and as chief want to fire his sub ordinate for misconduct who is supposed to fire who because both are guilty? President Zuma must fire Police general for misconduct and police general must fire his sub ordinate for misconduct, so who is firing who then and for what?

  • Badballie - 2011-08-29 11:09

    selective discipline, it would be a good sign if the person asking the question wasn't as big a criminal as the person being asked. Come Cele, you are apparently an honorable man, do the honorable thing and resign as well. No off course I didn't think you could do that.

  • PAnzi_ne_ANC - 2011-09-22 10:32

    what about the allegations against that mastermind of crime CELe Himself.. why doent he apply these words to hmself..

  • JR - 2011-09-22 13:28

    And why has he still not been fired? Why are we still paying this criminals salary and legal fees??? Crime is what pays in South Africa.

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