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'Wonderful problem' turns into UJ tragedy

2012-01-10 22:30

Johannesburg - Witnesses have told of the horror of a stampede at the University of Johannesburg's Bunting Road campus, during which a woman who'd accompanied her child to try for last-minute admission, was crushed to death.

Twenty-two people were also injured.

June Molora, from Vosloorus on the East Rand, described events as the most shocking thing she had ever seen.

She'd accompanied her grandson Kabelo Tabane to apply for an information technology course and.

"I was so shocked and I started asking myself what could have happened if it was me that was dead.

"The cause of her death may not have been intentional, but it is very sad to see someone losing her life while trying to build a good future for her child," she said.

She blamed the university for poor communication, saying no one had helped them find where to register for the first time.

Desmond Mlangu, a prospective student, said he witnessed the "traumatising" scene, with women screaming and people continuing to push.

He said those at the back of the crowd did not seem to realise what was happening at the gate.

Tendai Nembidzane, a final-year business student who is head of the university's student council, said he saw the dead woman's son crouching near her body.

He was later taken away for counselling.

'Wonderful problem'


The Democratic Alliance hit out at Higher Education and Training Minister Blade Nzimande in the wake of the tragedy.

The party claims that a lack of planning by Nzimande, who had witnessed similar instances of snaking queues by prospective students, is to blame.

Junita Kloppers-Lourens, DA spokesperson for higher education, said that when Nzimande had been asked about the flood of applicants last year, his response was that it was a "wonderful problem".

"The 'wonderful problem' has turned into a tragedy," she said.

"Last year he did not have a plan for the problem and has done nothing since.

"The government has failed dismally in dealing with education. It's absolutely criminal, what has happened under the ANC. It will take years to drag it out of the mud," Kloppers-Lourens said.

National problem

Earlier, Nzimande was quick to absolve the university of blame, saying that the institution would not be punished, as this was a national problem.

He said that the higher education department was considering halting last-minute university applications after the incident.

"It's something that we are seriously considering that maybe we should not consider 'walk-ins'," he told reporters in Johannesburg.

"We think that the price we are paying is too much," he said he said after offering condolences to the family of the woman who was killed, and to the families of those injured

The department hoped to roll out a centralised admissions process, currently being piloted in KwaZulu-Natal, to avoid incidents such as Tuesday's, said Nzimande.

FETs

Nzimande expressed concern that prospective students did not have enough information on the application process and that Further Education and Training (FET) colleges were good alternatives for study.

He said some prospective students did not know what they wanted to study and this "clogged" queues because of "on the spot counselling".

But Kloppers-Lourens said many of the FET colleges were "dismal".

"Quite a few of our colleges need to be placed under administration," she said.

"That's the reason why pupils aren't interested in going there."

Unbearable thrust

Meanwhile, during the afternoon, the UJ notified prospective students that no more late applications would be accepted.

University staff handed out pamphlets notifying at least 3 000 people still at the entrance that the application process had closed.

Aspiring students and their parents had been queuing outside the university since the early hours of Monday hoping to submit late applications. Many had brought umbrellas and chairs and camped there overnight.

About 11 000 people were expected to vie for as few as 800 spots - a symptom of a larger crisis in  education and perhaps contributing to a sense of desperation on Tuesday.

Many would-be applicants had only learned they were eligible for further study after getting results from matric exams last week, and university classes start next month.

Thousands of people had queued outside the university after it announced it would accept late applications from those who missed an earlier deadline or who recently became eligible thanks to their exam scores.

3km queue

By early on Tuesday morning a 3km long queue had formed outside the university's entrance.

Applications for its four campuses - Auckland Park Kingsway, Auckland Park Bunting Road, Doornfontein and Soweto - were processed at the Bunting Road campus.

This was because many of the late applicants were not sure about what they wanted to study, so they felt it was unhelpful to send them to campuses which only offered specific fields of study.

Around 07:30 university staff said they would open the gates at 08:00.

"There was then a lot of movement," the university's vice chancellor Ihron Rensburg said at a press briefing.

"Young people were jumping over the palisade fence... there was a constant push from the back by about 500 persons on the gate."

The university's protection services felt that unless they opened the gate, there would be a significant crush, so it was opened.

"There was a simply unbearable thrust at the front. The outcome was we had one parent who was also in the queue that was crushed and passed away. Two other people are in a critical condition," Rensburg said.

The university told the media that crowd control outside the campus was the responsibility of the police.

Comments
  • Cracker - 2012-01-10 22:38

    The crowd is to blame. Keep it simple and don't look for scapegoats.

      Sheda - 2012-01-10 23:04

      crowds need control - all over the world - we are no exception. our police are useless the ANC is useless. Tetane died for nothing - today a mother died for nothing. Every person who continues to vote ANC is a killer by association.

      Rupesh - 2012-01-10 23:25

      Sheda - thats like saying everyone who had a family member voting for the nats is a killer by association. People vote for the ANC because they don't see another credible option. The DA is working hard to be seen as a viable option but given the lack of education, fear of the past, etc, this is going to take time. Unfortunately, it wont happen overnight. This is Blade Nzimande's fault for not being a forward thinker. Well, his party is similar to that anyway.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-11 00:08

      Accusations are already flying between campus security and Metro police about whose fault it was. Bad planning caused this. After last year's shambles we all knew there were going to be thousands - why no contingincies?

      koo.doyle - 2012-01-11 06:51

      Agreed. If people learned a little patience, and waited their turn instead of pushing and shoving, this wouldn't have happened. Scapegoatism at its best. God forbid anyone should actually take responsibility for their actions.

      Schmee - 2012-01-11 08:10

      Why do they have crowd control at soccer stadiums all over the world not only SA? And as for Sheda's comment regarding voting for the ANC. Aren't all whites being blamed for apartheid?

      Andries - 2012-01-11 08:33

      Nonsense. The general uncivilised national culture of the new South Africa is to blame. No more, no less. One only has to view conduct by citizens in queues in civilised countries to realise what is happening in our once well-behaved country.

      russta101 - 2012-01-11 12:56

      @Sheda: A mother died trying to improve her life, probably facing more hardship than you could even imagine - hardship that was primarily caused by being disadvantaged by the previous regime. And I would guess this is true for most of those others standing in a que. @Andries - "uncivilized national culture" as epitomized by your post? Our 'once well-behaved' country that brutally and systematically degraded, marginalised and even killed certain race groups? If you and your ilk are examples of what is civilized, point me to my loin cloth, stick a bone in my nose and let me run wild in the field. Animals in the wild have more culture than you do.

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-10 23:11

    Why don't they go to Wits

      ubhejane - 2012-01-10 23:26

      That is not the solution either. A completely new university should be built in Soweto, not a satellite facility of the other two. It must be able to accommodate at least 30,000 students and no pointless BA degrees should be on the curriculum. Finance, Engineering, Medicine. Specifically medicine being close to Bara. This should happen as soon as possible without having 26 workshops to discuss the matter and eat away another R20 Million worth of food. I hope that the death of this mother in her quest for education for her child has woken up a few of those not being affected by the desire to study.

      Terrence - 2012-01-11 08:13

      @ubhejane - I have to agree with you. Imagine we used all the money that went into stadiums for the world cup (which we did not need) to establish new universities. I think the long term benefit to our nation would have been much better than watching soccer in "new" stadiums when we already had facilities available.

      monnamme - 2012-01-11 10:02

      Saksak Wits is no child's play ground. For instance programs such as Engineering and Science have limited space and only the best get through-talking for experience. If you ever get to late register at Wits is if you want to go to humanities and Arts-BA stream that is all. LEts make something clear here Wits is already complaining about the current maths program the kids receive at matric they want 3rd paper introduced and the only way to keep our stands as Wits we must just keep our intake score high, and why go to Wits and be out in three months-exclusion at Wits is high.

      Jarryd - 2012-01-11 10:50

      ubhejane - That sounds like a fantastic idea.

      JuditVictor - 2012-01-11 13:12

      What I would like to know is for which degrees these masses are applying? And will the banks be giving them loans?

      ubhejane - 2012-01-11 14:16

      @JuditVictor We all know that is a big problem and learners are not getting enough guidance in career choices. But if I had been the minister of education, I would start by giving grants to learners from Grade 8 onwards. I would stop the child grant immediately because this is only compounding our problems. A grant to a learner for passing each school year will create a nation of people willing to study. I will then make it compulsory for every prospective student to first find a position. Say he/she applies for a position with the Department of Health or for instance FNB, and with that in hand, then apply for a bank loan or a state bursary. That will force the matriculants to think ahead about what they will be doing with their degrees. At that point it may become clear to some that they actually need to become plumbers or electricians. There is nothing degrading about working with your hands. Not everybody can be a political analyst. Our country is currently run by probably the most uneducated government anywhere in the world and it is now starting to show. One can't expect them to solve the problem because when you are driven around in a black BMW with Grade 4 behind your name, how will you understand the plight of the rest of us that have to survive out here in the real world? 2012 should be the year that us the citizens of South Africa take this matter in our own hands and draw up guidelines for this government. It has now become very clear they have no direction.

  • Cracker - 2012-01-10 23:13

    @ Mike Absolutely inaccurate what you say. How would you have changed the situation? I watched the SABC version of events. Seemed pretty reliable and objective. After all, the crowd's ill-discipline had the final say. Must this government/authorities - no matter if you dislike them - always be blamed for the sh.t that is being caused by its citizens? Let's get some honesty occasionally.

      Wesley - 2012-01-11 05:20

      I have a solution - add the word FULL to the school curiculum. Explain the meaning, do practical exercises. People don't understand the word full means. The weekend with the ANC party, the stadium was FULL but stil they push, want to get in.

      Schmee - 2012-01-11 08:26

      Ummmm Wesley, clearly UJ was not FULL otherwise they wouldn't have allowed late applications. @Cracker, crowds need to be controlled. There will always be the bullies in a crowd and there will always be people that don't allow themselves to be bullied. Put a few of those together and people who don't want to get into a fight don't stand a chance any more. So firstly the university is to blame unless they did try to put measures in place. But overall the government is to blame in the end. It's like saying that the CEO of a company is not to be blamed for problems in his company. That is why he gets paid the big bucks. That is why the buck stops with the big boss.

  • Andile Oscar Mtshiselwa - 2012-01-10 23:22

    Tragedy has occured,life has been lost,people got injured and you still get some idiots that wants to politicise the whole matter.There are rooms for politics but not this way. Any way all politicians are the same regardless of their organisations.They are selfish.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-10 23:42

      Andile forget about the politicians and other critics. The time has come for us to find our own solutions to our own problems. We can no longer sit back and wait for somebody else to solve our problems. Gauteng needs at least two more universities. One north of Johannesburg and one south in Soweto. The Technicons should be brought back to train people who didn't pass with university entrance. Every learner leaving school should be trained for a career. How many more political analysts do we need with BA degrees?

  • ndabaq - 2012-01-10 23:24

    There wasn't supposed to be crowds at the gates in the first instance. The only reason that there werre crowds is poor planning by learners and parents alike. Applications are always open early in the year and we only apply to the one institution and not to others. The doubt in exams created a wave of learners that never applied and once they passed then moved on to these institutions to submit late applications. Then again remember that most of us are children from poor backgrounds, and we only get the application fee only in December when our parents are given bonuses by their masters. No application is considered without the requisite appliation fee. So many challenges are at play, and not all can be shoulderd by teh government. As far as preparing learners - yes, they should have programmes that ensure that all matrics have submitted application forms and only those that have been acepted need to turn up at these institutions. My heratfelt condolences go out to the family that lost their matriach. May her soul rest in peace.

      Burtfred - 2012-01-11 06:50

      "and we only get the application fee only in December when our parents are given bonuses by their masters". I employ people in my business and I pay them bonuses from time to time. I am not a communist or a Nat. I am not their "master", I am their employer. I also have a dog - I am his "master" and he adores me for it.

      Elaine - 2012-01-11 09:31

      And matriculants should be given career counselling. When I was at school we were taken to big companies and were told what careers were available at the various places and shown around. Imagine if learners were taken to places like Eskom and Telkom and Transnetand other big concerns and given ideas of what careers are available, so that they would be able to recruit young people and tell them what they should study, instead of them just taking a BA and hoping that afterwards there would be something out there in the sweet by and by. This way youngsters will know that its OK to do some trade or other, rather that just thinking University is the only option. We NEED engineers and electricians and boiler makers, master builders and other types of trades.But young folk need to know what is out there before they try and get 'on the spot' counselling in a queue with thousands of others waiting behind

  • Andile Oscar Mtshiselwa - 2012-01-10 23:24

    Tragedy has occured,life has been lost,people got injured and you still get some idiots that wants to politicise the whole matter.There are rooms for politics but not this way. Any way all politicians are the same regardless of their organisations.They are selfish.

  • Andile Oscar Mtshiselwa - 2012-01-10 23:24

    Tragedy has occured,life has been lost,people got injured and you still get some idiots that wants to politicise the whole matter.There are rooms for politics but not this way. Any way all politicians are the same regardless of their organisations.They are selfish.

  • tdwnetshifhefhe72 - 2012-01-10 23:39

    This a shocking news in the Republic of South Adfrica.This shows a lack of planing by the goverment and leadership.There is lack of political will to transform our educational institution.The goverment has funded stadiums that today are just historical footbol monument.I think is high time that new educational structures and alternatives be made available to prospective learners.remember we are no longer under opression we are free but still dying,no this cannot be.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-10 23:50

      @ tdwnetshifhefhe72 The truest words spoken on here today.

      Sean - 2012-01-11 05:12

      i agree, tear down the mothballed stadiums which have served their purpose and sell the scrap metal to build new universities! The million's it took to build those stadiums could have fed and educated millions of needy people in our country!

      Johan - 2012-01-11 06:54

      Sean, for sure. Unfortunatelly impressing the overseas crowd with soccer stadiums earn the government allot more "self back patting" points than building universities.

  • Cracker - 2012-01-10 23:48

    Exactly what options were available to the authorities? It they had tried to disperse the crowd you can imagine the hurrah harrah and crap that would have followed. It is wrong what took place. But don't as usual blame the authorities. Stay away from crowd gatherings that are not clearly being controlled.

  • Ruth - 2012-01-11 00:07

    11000 people for 800 posiitons... come on ANC, focus more on education!!! We also need to start instilling discipline in youths again, this push and shove frenzy should not have take place. Proper queuing with respect to others personal space is important. If you want to be educated, act like an educated person, dont behave like thugs.

  • Angus - 2012-01-11 00:16

    why can't the idiots who write or sub edit news24 articles make sure that there are no errors in the text. The mistakes are so obvious a 12 year old might have written this. Wake up you are supposed to be a national news organisation.

  • Etienne - 2012-01-11 01:33

    This death could have been prevented if politicians stopped worrying about lining their pockets and instead concentrated on what they were employed for. I see this statement as too little too late "We think that the price we are paying is too much," the person has already lost her life and this is just some bs to act like they suddenly care, how many people get killed daily in taxi accidents, hijackings, burglaries, farm murders, run over by blue light brigades, .... yet it’s not "enough" then.... The powers that be just irritate me so much with their lack of leadership and doing right by their people.

  • Call_Of_Muti_3 - 2012-01-11 01:39

    T.I.A.

      francois1000000 - 2012-01-11 02:20

      I agree with you there!! T.I.A!! Have experienced this at countless african airports The mad crush just to be in front! From DRC to Nigeria even Kenya and Benin all the same!!! It boggles the mind to think in the 94 elections that everyone stood in long lines for hours on end waiting to make the "right choice" and look at where we stand today !! Uter chaos and disorganization and building a nation of uneducated numptys. With the drop in standards and being able to pass matric on such a low grade to get into higher education no wonder we have so many STUDENTS not LEARNERS(that drives me nuts)being able to apply for Uni, I do understand that as the population grows we definatley need more Uni's and Technical Colleges. But it needs to start from the bottom with Primary schools adopting old methods of teaching and not the crap outcome based education system.

      Joni - 2012-01-11 10:01

      well well, the love parade stampede killed 20 in Germany just last year.. wikipedia also gives quite long list of stampedes for every year all around the world. India is sadly one of the most common places for stampedes. The most karmic stampede recently must have the north korean stampede of 2007, where 6 people were crushed to death when 15000 people tried to enter a stadium to watch an execution... Not TIA.. crowds can get out of control anywhere.

  • jd.bhembe - 2012-01-11 03:31

    build universities, and stop this management by crisis. if 11 000 were queing for 800spots, what about the 10 200? beautiful problem my foot!This is lack of planning from Blade.

      Peter - 2012-01-11 07:12

      Blade has always been braindead, how does a fool like that get into ma position like he has, he has no formal education, probably forged certificates and doctorates, they go cheap these days.

  • Angela - 2012-01-11 05:49

    Perhaps if the Board of Education let the matric results come out earlier, students could have more time to choose and discuss their chosen field there would not be such a last minute rush...but that would be far too much to ask of our corrupt government!

      phumlani.mbatha - 2012-01-11 08:18

      good point Angela. marking of matric exams can be finished very early.

      sven.nel - 2012-01-11 10:47

      Matrics can apply to universaties with their Grade 11 final year marks or their Grade 12 Half year exam marks. It has nothing to do with the final year marks being late (other than passing Matric) and everything to do with procrastination on the part of the 11 000 additional entrant. This is made abundantly clear in every reputable school in South Africa.

  • Cathy - 2012-01-11 06:42

    The problem is simple...... Since 1994 we have opened our borders to the rest of Africa. Our own population is bursting at the seams..... and yet how many new schools and tertiary institutions have been built. This problem will be repeated next week when the schools open on Monday.... Pleese can someone in government take that into account instead of trying to lay blame all around.

      phumlani.mbatha - 2012-01-11 08:19

      my point exactly Cathy. we need more training institutions.

  • Dwaalw - 2012-01-11 06:56

    Why blame the University when it is humans that do this, it is not the university it is the damn people who does not have any respect for any other living thing on earth and then they blame it on the univirsity? come on people wake up for goodness sake. it is humans that act like animals!!!

  • Tulani - 2012-01-11 07:14

    am no fan of ANC but the DA has to stop blaming the ANC on evrythng,UJ had this problerm last year, what planning took place this year to avoid such....

      Johan - 2012-01-11 07:21

      "Planning" would not be needed if the crowds behaved themselves.

      Seja - 2012-01-11 07:38

      Planning is definitely needed! and its not fair to just blame the crowd .. people had been queueing since 1am that morning and many were tired and hungry and thirsty and many probably needed to use the loo!.. now if you were in a queue for 7 hours, and waiting for the gates to open just so you could join yet another queue for the toilet and University applications, would your patience levels not have dropped drastically by the time the gates are opened?? now multiply that impatience by about 5000 people!

  • raymond.pillay - 2012-01-11 07:44

    This is a very sad situation and is indicative of the current education problems of South Africa. Imagine the willing youth of this country who want so badly to further their education but have such limited higher education facilities. Its ironic that the ANC should be spending R100 million for a birthday celebration whilst the youth do not have sufficient education facilities - how do we build the future with this education strategy?. I believe that the mothers untimely death is a symbolic event that we has South African have to cater more for the needs of our youth. They are the future of South Africa.

  • Schmee - 2012-01-11 07:48

    How many new universities have been created since 1994? Surely there are many more students that get matric exemption now? They should all be guaranteed a place if they have the funds and the level of results should only come into play with the field of study or if they required a bursary or scholarship. Why is there not a university in Soweto for example? All that has been done since 1994 is that they have taken some old universities and amalgamated them under a new name. And it appears that they have taken something that worked before and broken it.

      phumlani.mbatha - 2012-01-11 08:21

      the pass mark at matric should be pushed up as well for those who want to go to varsity.

  • Phumezo - 2012-01-11 07:53

    The UCT, Stellenbosch, Rhodes and Wits Universities have three times much capacity than the UJ! Why they are making it impossible for an African child in general and blacks in particular to gain entry leaves a sour taste in my mouth? What we need to do is to force these so called Ivy Leagues kicking and screaming to come to the party! Furthermore they would run even better if some of our comrades where managing them because they would be much more revolutionary that the current leaders who only serve the interest of the white monopoly capital sponsoring them!

      Beetroot - 2012-01-11 08:42

      White monopoly? - Thats rich coming from a majority voter who instills such predicaments because of what you vote for. The solution is not blaming the effing whites for every single fail. Why dont you start by helping yourselves. Get a political party that actually serves the country and not their pockets.

  • mphobuthelezi.mokgothu - 2012-01-11 07:56

    come on lets be honest most people that were there were not from poor famalies but middle class and some of them were from previosly multiracial schools before we blame the goverment let us the african take the blame we do not plan and we like to blame everyone else for failing to plan all of those parents knew that their kids must go to university this year but did nothing all the year through wh is it only the blacks outside the gates. my condolences to the family but I hope the parents of this year grade 12 are already planning for this year to avoid such situation

      phumlani.mbatha - 2012-01-11 08:22

      where are the white and indian learners in those queues? just asking.

  • Kathleen - 2012-01-11 07:58

    If the pass rate was higher then there would be fewer candidates for university. I consider it a privilege, not a right, to go to university. I waited 25 years before I could afford a university education, but worked meanwhile. I think 80% of first year students do not complete their degrees anyway.

  • phumlani.mbatha - 2012-01-11 08:15

    simple solutions: 1. build more universities: we can not expect to students today to go to the same old universities at this time and age 2. build colleges: there are some programmes that need to be removed from universities to colleges e.g. education, social work, human resource, engineering (diplomas can be offered on these programmes at collegeges and only go to varsity to do a one year study to make it a degree). 3. upgrade and pay more focus on developing the current FETs, support students with places where they can do their practicals. they dont go to FETs because they do not see any any value, you study theory for 18 months and getting a place to do practicals is difficult, that means you stay for 6 months at home trying to get a place to do practicals. 4. have a strick rule: if you did not apply, do not show up. we will have less problems and no lives lost.

      Rob - 2012-01-11 15:41

      Phumlani: Universities are supposed to be centres of knowledge, not training institutes, this comment supports your suggestion to build colleges (for training and skills development). BUT, universities, as centres and knowledge also need to be respected for their heritage and history, so I do not agree with your reference to today's students not going to the same old universities. It is these old universities that must be the backbone of tertiary education.

  • Cameronl - 2012-01-11 08:43

    "The government has failed dismally in dealing with education. It's absolutely criminal, what has happened under the ANC. It will take years to drag it out of the mud," Kloppers-Lourens said I dont even need to comment, that quote above says it all. However I do feel the need to say this - You the ANC are an absolute disgrace to this country, The education system (if you can even call it that) is in total shambles, and a mere shadow of what it used to be, you have to be blind not to see that since this disease of a so called party came into power, we no longer have an education system, I guess I am one of the lucky one`s privleged enough to recieve my education before it fell through the floor boards. - what an embarrassment we have become, thanks ANC you are excelling in meeting your quota of turning a great nation into a 1st class 3rd world nation

  • K0BUSL - 2012-01-11 08:56

    ???? just my five cents worth ?????? This is from the UJ 2012 Career Prospectus which was handed out at the Open day on 14 May 2011 at the University and made available to all schools. "Admission Requirements Please consult the specific course brochures and UJ website for the requirements. Special admission procedures for programmes include assessment for NBT, guidance, evaluation and placement purposes, interviews, submission of portfolios of work, as well as compulsory subjects and minimum APS score. Closing date for applications The closing date for applications for undergraduate studies is at 12:00 on the last Friday of October of the year prior to the academic year in which a student would want to start to study, with the exceptions of the following: Health Sciences 12:00 - last Friday of July Law 12:00 - last Friday of August Economic and Financial Sciences 12:00 - last Friday of September Residence Applications 12:00 - last Friday of August Closing dates falling on public holidays will revert to the previous day." No Grade 12 Pupil had their scores, so everybody was evaluated on merit of their preceding 18 months of academic achievement, as well as their scores in the NBT's (AQL and Maths). No-one just got automatic entry..... Everyone had a set of rules to work within, everyone had access to the data....... why do we have to make exception for people who once again did nothing when they had to..... Why do South Africans always wait until it is toooooo late.......

  • EyesEars - 2012-01-11 08:57

    I am not an expert in the field and what I am suggesting, might already have been suggested and never listened to or it might help. The Department of Higher Education is to blame in my opinion: Planning! Every student has got a number and therefore the department has got access to how many students (even if it’s just 10% nationwide) every year, needs to be registered, they also have access to the demographics. Why not use it? Many students on school level has an indication ± June / September whether they will pass or not (depending on the results for those quarters) and therefor the Department and schools can start talking to the potential students, start assisting them with early registration at various institutes (with the likings of a Unisa model type registration), while upon receiving a letter / sms where they receive bank details registration to pay in the monies at a bank (with a reference/student number) and the students to do their own research and make sure that that specific institute are registered with the Department of Education.

  • EyesEars - 2012-01-11 08:57

    Stop wasting the time and recources of the other students, parents and the teachers, in order to work with the ± potential 10%. Give preference to the potential 10%, irrespective of race or background, as they are the ones willing to contribute to this economy in a monetary value. Matric Exams to be written earlier in the year, (forget the partying and party after the results) and results also to be given before 15 December in order to enable the students to register earlier. Students must provide a proper motivation why they should be accepted at a specific university / college / technicon if the registration is late and the institution must have the choice to either except or decline with valid reasons in the case of a decline.

  • EyesEars - 2012-01-11 08:57

    The police are also to blame: According to my understanding, there were a discussion on 6 December 2011. Do the police honestly expect the UJ to manage crowd control? What the hell are the police therefor? Isn’t it part of their job? They should know by now that it is something that occurs every year, yet the planning (once again) goes for a ball of ?????. The UJ are also to blame as notification that applications has closed, only went out yesterday. Planning again! They knew that there were problems in the first place with the already current 2011 students. What were they going to do about it? They cannot honestly accept new students, even if they wanted to.

  • EyesEars - 2012-01-11 08:57

    Lastly: Nzimande: I really think you should catch a serious wake-up call! You cannot keep on stuffing students (from the youngest to the oldest) into classrooms, universities, colleges / technicons that there is NO capacity for! How would you feel if someone keep on stuffing you stomach with more and more, being forced but cannot go to the gents? Seriously, trying to create a new “Unisa” type model, will solve the problem in the short term but not the long term. Who are going to fund these students and how fair will this be towards other students who are really trying. What are your long term planning for education? Why aren’t the students being advised about the need for specific skills on school level. All they are being told is maths, engineering and science. Not everyone can be doctors, scientists or engineers. So what are the second most needed skill in SA? Start making a list of what is required in SA, start categorizing it and stop creating false hope for certain students who will never get there. Be honest and open with each and every student on a one-on-one consultation basis, start at the high school levels, where the students can actually understand what you are saying.

  • EyesEars - 2012-01-11 08:58

    The market are being flooded every year with new students, thus creating an imbalance of the already overcrowded market. You are creating more problems for yourself, due to your way of thinking. And at the students: All of you wanted to be treated like young adults. I suggest you start acting like young adults and stop this continued barbaric (stampeding) behaviour. If you are meant to “make it” in this world, you will with dedication, hard work, honesty and sincerety. Nothing in life is for free, you have to work for it. By thinking that you are going to get your education for free is also false, because that teacher, that lecturer, who needs to teach you also has a family that needs to be taken care of and it will be the same for you someday. Do you honestly expect the government to pay for all the lecturers and or teachers? Stop living in a dream world, start facing reality and start excepting responsibility for you own actions without blaming others of what could have and what could not have been.

  • Sizwe - 2012-01-11 09:17

    When I started my matric year, I used my Grade 11 marks to apply to as many Universities as I could afford in fact I applied to twelve(12) institutions in all. By mid Aprill almost all the institutions that I had called had sent me information packets and booklets and by July that year I had received provisional acceptance from all but two. Thus I had the option of picking my ideal institution upon matriculation and I did. The bottom line in this whole thing is adequate planning and that has got nothing to do with government but with PARENTS!

      Lufuno - 2012-01-11 10:05

      Thank you Sizwe..I totally agree with you. This has got nothing to do with the government. Poor planning and lack of communication between Parents and their kids about their education. Some parents don't have any knowledge about universities and rely on their children to tell them what is going on, and well some kids just like leaving things to the last minutes. Back when I was in High school, in Grade 9 and & 10, our teachers told us to work hard all through the grades especially in Grade 11, as we need good marks to be able to register at varsities.

  • monnamme - 2012-01-11 09:58

    Let me first pass my condolescence to the family of the woman who lost her life. Now I wish to say to the Minister the long held decision on the matter of building universities in Provinces like MP and NC are due and must be in the government strategic plan of education soon. We must also blame the current matric system due is sending are kids to the doom of their career because it offers no assurance to the children that they can make it to univeristy hence wait for the last moment and go crowd for last registration and application. The real reason reason why student go UJ is because they want to experience JHB and Wits is no playing ground (As a former student of Wits I tell you they are very strict with intake). But on the other hand UJ is becoming a nonsense university and they will soon loss their status in the South African good quality institutions because if management can not have a good strategic plan then we are as good as colleges as a vasity. Now many can argue that Soweto should have a university but we can not have things cluster in JHB alone that's why horrors and tragedy are happening in the city we rather must decentralise things and I tell you a province without a university is just not good because people in management of the province cannot turn to anyone for help with problem solving, or communities must just adopted what Mafikeng people did in the past building themselves a university-UNIBO: Government will intervene with much greater assistance.

  • erick.letshwene - 2012-01-11 10:03

    DA this is not the time to score cheap political points

  • pieterengelbrecht01 - 2012-01-11 11:00

    Im am sure we can resolfe this with technology,and dont just by building a new building,people wil stil stand in gueuse

  • Drogo - 2012-01-11 11:34

    Listen to this sanctimonious drivel by the DA spokesperson: "The government has failed dismally in dealing with education. It's absolutely criminal, what has happened under the ANC. It will take years to drag it out of the mud," Kloppers-Lourens said. Yeah? And why did the DA choose to SUPPORT the ANC's plans to chuck out the previous education system? Then this woman and her DA did NOTHING to prevent the subsequent disaster from happening! It suited them to a tee. NOW, after the new education plans have proven to be a disaster, the DA is quick and opportunistic enough to criticise!? Shame on both the ANC and their white counterpart, the DA! You both stink!

  • Anette - 2012-01-11 12:16

    Nonsense how can the police be blammed? Why did the public push when they saw the gate is logged. Perhaps the public should be reminded that we are all human and not animals!!!

  • Otilia - 2012-01-17 15:12

    I read a very interesting comment on twitter the other day, it said "[T]he joy of democracy [representative democracy] is that we get to have the government we vote for." I know most people will say, but we didnt vote so and so...but that is democracy my friend, the majority rules and if african countries continue to neglect education, our future is bleak because when the majority [uneducated etc.] vote, they will not be making informed decisions. I know my comment is random.

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