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Woolies facing wrath over hot cross buns

2012-03-29 09:26

Cape Town - Woolworths is facing criticism from a few Christians for putting a Halaal certification mark on its hot cross buns, but a bishop has labelled it "nothing more than a storm in a baking pan".

The Cape Times reported on Thursday that people had written e-mails and used social networking sites to voice disapproval of the use of a Muslim mark on a food that had special significance for Christians.

One Christian wrote on Woolworths Facebook wall: “Ja, its sad to hear the woolies we supported all these years turned their backs on Christians.

“Really disappointed. Lucky we received that email, man its spreading like a wild fire. Proud to say a few people I know are boycotting W, including me [sic].”

Another wrote: “I hate woolworths... How can you do that to the Christians, I hope that God will have mercy on you. And dnt be surprised if your shops run bankrupt.. I will pray to my living God and you will see what he is capable of! [sic]”

SA Catholic Bishops' Conference spokesperson Chris Townsend said people were overreacting and needed to be more understanding.

"Hot cross buns are only a symbol, and not a central tenet of Christianity. There are a lot more weighty issues to deal with in SA than a few 'hot cross Christians'," he was quoted as saying.

The food chain apologised for the upset and said it would release separate buns in future - non-Halaal certified hot cross buns and Halaal certified spiced buns.

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Comments
  • sophiak9 - 2012-03-30 12:14

    They are bloody hot cross buns, taking offence at labelling is just ridiculous. Whats next?

  • placebo.effect - 2012-03-30 12:16

    Oh noes!! Someone played some pre-recorded prayer tapes on our food!!!!!!! The integrity has been compromised. The great invisible imaginary friend in the sky who has magical powers isn't going to be happy!

  • subhashlalji - 2012-03-30 12:18

    Unbelievable, no wonder the world has become what it is today with this petty mindedness. Glad some idiots are boycotting Woolies. less time for me stand in ques. keep it up Woolies?

  • Black.Wolf.SA - 2012-03-30 12:21

    I have never heard anything so totally insane in my whole life. Here is a perfect example why I turned away from the church. To think there are actually christians who think woolworths have done some thing wrong is laughable to the extreme!!!

  • Trevor - 2012-03-30 12:29

    Gees I really need a REDBULL after going through all these comments !

  • kathy.strehler - 2012-03-30 12:39

    Oh for goodness'sake! How ridiculous.

  • Phiwo - 2012-03-30 13:04

    yoh, people are really bored.

  • Jill - 2012-03-30 13:14

    Woolies decided to remove Christian magazines as they do not want to be associated with any particular religion and that's fine. Why then do they have Kosher food Halaal etc. The problem with the bun is the cross on it and what it represents, the bun without the cross could have every religion stamp of approval and would not have caused this storm. The cross and what it represents is very important to Christians and that is the problem

  • Elton - 2012-03-30 13:19

    @Rudi - Easter is actually a Christian event...it is in rememberance of Jesus' crucifixion and his having risen three days later. Passover is celebrated by the Jews in remembrance of their exodus from Egypt. The last supper was a traditional 'passover' celebration as had happened every year since their exodus. After the passover (last supper) dinner...bread and wine was shared in a new tradition called...Holy Communion...Jews do not recognise that Jesus was the Messiah and they therefore only celebrate passover, whilst Christians believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus as the Messiah (which is modern day Easter)

  • MistressSnowclaw - 2012-03-30 13:25

    i cry in a bucket. really. are xtians SO insecure about themselves and their wilting religion, that ANYTHING that threatens them in any shape or form (imagined or otherwise) makes them go screaming down the streets with hands in the air. it's embarassing. and FYI, hot cross buns were stolen from the PAGANS. it's about as xtian as xmas, which was ALSO stolen from pagans. easter = oestre (spring solstice in the northern hemisphere) xmas = summer solstice. but hey, ignorance is bliss or what?

  • Bradley - 2012-03-30 13:32

    I didn't even finish reading this drivel!! last night i went into a shell convenience store and heard a little girl swearing about their pies not being halaal...and the dad asked what are you swearing for huh> and she replies "What if you Jewish or Muslim" the dad replies "well too F****** bad they can go hungry then" lol made my week...

  • vijay.moodley - 2012-03-30 13:36

    Lol. And the next global war is not a nuclear war but one using the humble hot cross buns. A great movie where there world is de-stabilised by the halaal hot cross buns. The hero is the Easter Bunny....Any ideas for who should star as the heroine?

  • Lynn - 2012-03-30 13:37

    It's a friggin' bun people. A bun! 812 comments about a bun? Eat or dont eat it. There are millions of starving people out there who wouldnt care what religious symbol or connotation it has - it would be eaten with relish. Get over yourselves. Concentrate on the pressing issues happening in your country. As someone sitting overseas, reading this - I wonder if this country could ever unite when a friggin' bun can cause so much debate. Infantile!

      Sharon - 2012-03-30 15:12

      Amen!

  • Tolive - 2012-03-30 13:41

    Christians should be thankful – Hot Cross Buns DO NOT BELONG IN CHRISTIANITY!! – It was always baked by IDOL WORSHIPPORS - They worshipped ISHTAR, the "queen of heaven," using ROUND wafers or "cakes" at communion (Jer. 44:17-19; Jer. 7:18), an image for the SUN. The word "cakes" is translated from the Hebrew word "kavan" and can be rendered "BUNS." Round HOT CROSS BUNS originated in Babylon. "The Greeks offered such sacred cakes to ASTARTE ... (which) they called bous (ox), in allusion to the ox-symbol marked on it, and from the accusative boun it is suggested that the word 'BUN' is derived" (Encyc. Brit. 4:796). The cross on the bun is the letter "T" -- the initial of the SUN-god TAMMUZ. Actually, one of Mithra's signs was a cross formed by the ecliptic and celestial equator at the EQUINOX (Plato's Dialogue, Timaeus). The cross with a circle around it is the ancient symbol for the Babylonian sun deity (Goldsmith's Ancient Pagan Symbols, pp. 42-43).

  • Peter - 2012-03-30 13:45

    Its a conspiracy I tell you...lets blame it on apartheid.

  • briana.scott - 2012-03-30 14:04

    that reaction is not very Christian

  • regbroekmann - 2012-03-30 14:06

    As Christians, we generally don't worry about who owns the shop. If their store is convenient and they stock the item we need, we buy. Why should Woolies be different? We also need to note that hot-cross-buns fall more into the realm of tradition rather than religion. A total absence of hot-cross-buns wouldn't make any difference to Christians (although we might miss them on Easter morning!). Easter is the time we remember how much it cost God to forgive us. There is no place for anger or aggression about this incident. And if hot-cross-buns carry the Halaal approval, so much the better. We need everyone to understand and respond to God's love.

      Tolive - 2012-03-30 14:44

      And from now on all Lions supporters will have to wear Bulls jerseys and we will all be gratefull that they are only doing it to show that they support rugby in general and we should accept it for the love of the sport.

  • kpza1 - 2012-03-30 14:06

    All hot and cross over a buncha buns, come on, let's tackle some real issues

  • christrentcpt - 2012-03-30 14:41

    Firstly I am neither Christian nor Muslim but there's 2 sides to this: All religious groups have rights to protest (in the correct way for just reasons). The Christians have a point as I don't think Muslims would like a cross or crucifix on typically Muslim goods (especially round a Muslim holiday) BUT on the other hand - the Christians are over-reacting. Is your faith in the hot cross bun or on the holiday? Imagine having to separate all "Muslim products" and "Christian products". Christian bread/Muslim bread, Christian Milk/Muslim Milk. Its ridiculous. Christians do not have the same rules as Islam, more specifically concerning Halaal, so not sure what the big argument is about. Anyway, if you like hot cross buns, buy them and eat the stuff. Its not such a big issue. Its petty little things like this that cause division in this beautiful country. Move on.

  • Ilse - 2012-03-30 14:42

    I dont think the Muslim community really needs to eat hot CROSS buns. Lets not be too sympathetic towards Halal, watch this movie on youtube "Religious Slaughter without Stunning" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9M9R07gEqk&feature=related

  • Duox - 2012-03-30 14:47

    shame - woolies seems to find itself in hot water again.

  • christrentcpt - 2012-03-30 14:54

    I wonder if they [Christians] know that the bunnies are halaal too! LOL

  • Nigel - 2012-03-30 15:19

    As a non-believer am I allowed to eat a hot cross bun? Will Christians let me? Will Muslims object if it has been certified halaal? I think I have a right to know. And why does my spell checker want to spell halaal with only one "a" in the second syllable?

  • FabulousFranci - 2012-03-30 15:50

    and i as a christian eat halaal foods at times. So what? Anyway does a person eat em hotx buns,or the packaging ?

      Tungamirai - 2012-04-01 05:37

      The protesters are right. A Halaal sticker means tht the food was prayed over by a muslim priest. The buns symbolise the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ. The stickers are like sticking ABSA bank posters inside a Standard Bank.

  • Vijayalan - 2012-03-30 16:12

    Some people need to get out more often !!!!

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-03-30 17:43

    Another pathetic religious stuff up, personally I don't see why any food product that has been prepared under government regulations and passed by the health department need to have any religious symbol on it at all, and this should be made law. No religious stickers on any food stuff. It is all a big money making racket by religious fanatics, who probably don't pay taxes for certifying food which is already certified by government institutions. It is all symbolic hogwash, important to the religious fanatics in order to claim world dominance, pathetic. I don't blame the Christians for getting peeved about this little symbolic forced invasion, it is pathetic, and getting upset about it is even more pathetic. Woolies non-halaal and halaal certified hot cross bun solution is even more pathetic than the pathetic. I say down with all religious markings on all food stuffs and religious certification should be outlawed in South Africa, or at best the payment by companies for religious certification for food stuffs should be outlawed. It is nothing more than religious gangsterism, racketeering for product patronization by organizations who claim to provide a holy service forGod for the people who follow their elitist group. South Africa should ban all such organizations and outlaw any religious labels on foods sold within our borders.

  • Tracy - 2012-03-30 17:59

    http://www.ehalal.org/muslim-halal-product/what-is-halal-bakery-product just for interest...

  • Tracy - 2012-03-30 18:08

    Just out of interest, does the sticker mean that the buns have been blessed by a Muslim holy person and declared before Allah to be pure for Muslim consumption? Or is it just that the ingredients are halal?

      Ask - 2012-04-01 04:13

      @Tracy - The Halaal stickers implies that 'the bun' has no ingredients that are contaminated by swine... but the objections are made by swines...

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-03-30 18:58

    If the last piece of food on this planet were a pork chop how much would I have to pay to have it certified halaal?

      Ask - 2012-04-01 04:16

      If the last piece of food were pork... you would not have access to it, sorry boet... it's sold... without a sticker

  • stitchOs - 2012-03-30 19:21

    Irony...

  • Malcolm - 2012-03-30 19:31

    It is good that Christians, like other religions stand-up for what they believe. However, before 'slamming' Woolworths, study Mark 7:14-23. If the HALAAL emblem on foods is such an issue, be careful when purchasing meat, condensed milk, etc. If early 'pagan' signs and rituals are an issue today, abandon Easter Eggs, Christmas Trees and Father Christmas.

  • teresa.farelo - 2012-03-30 20:54

    Pathetic... people like these need to look at themselves and realizer how idiotic they are!!!

  • leonao - 2012-03-30 21:10

    Check out the beacons easter egg box, no mention of easter whatsoever, but halaal!

  • helga.sankey - 2012-03-30 22:03

    Actualy it is neither a Christian nor a Muslim symbol - origin is from Oestre (goddess of fertility). They brought her little cakes with crosses on, same with the Easter eggs. I eat Hot cross buns because they taste nice & well Chocolate is chocolate. A Blessing from God over your food voids all that is not suppose to be in there, any way.

  • Ouklip - 2012-03-31 07:53

    A storm in a tea cup. Wikipedia says "it is believed that buns marked with a cross were eaten by Saxons in honour of the goddess Eostre (the cross is thought to have symbolized the four quarters of the moon)". The Catholic Church absorbed many pagan believes and even made Mary a holy figure. Woolworths made a mistake as any items sold for specific use by religious groups should be place in a different spot. A marketing mistake but of no consequence.

  • Andrea - 2012-03-31 08:18

    I bet its a few idiots from Cape town protesting. I hope God forgives you. If you dont like it, dont eat the damn thing. Go to a store that sells non-halaal hot cross buns. You dont see Muslims emailing about non-halaal pork or other stupid things that has nothing to do with the religion. Im a christian, but Im far too busy to care. All opposed clearly live meaningless lives. And do not know what christianity is about.

      Ask - 2012-04-01 04:17

      Probably from the Northern suburbs...

  • Andrea - 2012-03-31 08:18

    I bet its a few idiots from Cape town protesting. I hope God forgives you. If you dont like it, dont eat the damn thing. Go to a store that sells non-halaal hot cross buns. You dont see Muslims emailing about non-halaal pork or other stupid things that has nothing to do with the religion. Im a christian, but Im far too busy to care. All opposed clearly live meaningless lives. And do not know what christianity is about.

  • Jochie1 - 2012-03-31 08:31

    Most commentators have valid points. My few cents' worth. Passover and Easter are not the same thing, as far as I know. As I understand it, the Jewish faith celebrates Passover to commemorate the sparing of Jewish children when the tenth plague hit Egyptian households just before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt. Over Easter Christians celebrate the cruxifiction (Friday) and ressurrection of Christ (Sunday). Christianity is not based on a round bun, and one should not make too much of that; but a valid point was made that people of the Muslim faith will not be happy with a cross on Halaal foods. But what is fantastic is that at least we are talking about it and learning from each other. Growing up we were discouraged to speak to people of a different faith... seem so bizarre today! What is of concern though, is that a primary roleplayer in the SA economy - that depends on the support of a large variety of customers - fails to recognise sensitive issues in advance. Removing Christian publications from their shelves is another example of the same thing. Granted, in SA we are growing tired of over-sensitiveness on language, race, religion etc, but in such a prominent company, surely someone should think about these things....who is responsible for image risk management?

  • Jochie1 - 2012-03-31 08:32

    Most commentators have valid points. My few cents' worth. Passover and Easter are not the same thing, as far as I know. As I understand it the Jewish faith celebrates Passover to commemorate the sparing of Jewish children when the tenth plague hit Egyptian households just before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt. Over Easter Christians celebrate the cruxifiction (Friday) and ressurrection of Christ (Sunday). Christianity is not based on a round bun, and one should not make too much of that; but a valid point was made that people of the Muslim faith will not be happy with a cross on Halaal foods. But what is fantastic is that at least we are talking about it and learning from each other. Growing up we were discouraged to speak to people of a different faith... seem so bizarre today! What is of concern though, is that a primary roleplayer in the SA economy - that depends on the support of a large variety of customers - fails to recognise sensitive issues in advance. Removing Christian publications from their shelves is another example of the same thing. Granted, in SA we are growing tired of over-sensitiveness on language, race, religion etc, but in such a prominent company, surely someone should think about these things....who is responsible for image risk management?

  • justin.schonegevel - 2012-03-31 08:35

    McDonald's in Spain serves Beer! How fantastic! :) Beer and mac Please!! We should try supply for all not a few! Not always easy to make everything halaal and business should not always be forced to comply. More Christian shoppers. If woollies change to support Christians they'll increase sales!!

  • Herman - 2012-03-31 08:35

    This so soooooo friggin pathetic!!!!!! There is people dying of hunger,kids are being abused, woman battered. Our animals are being slaughtered and standign on the brink of extinction. And you are worshiping such a petty God that you are making a fuss over bread? Bread that is being sold during the year not only Easter time! Bread that has nothing to do with religion? Bread that is certified to be made to certain standards and that is it! Get a life! This is the most petty crap i have heard of in my life. Sp woolies makes a second stick on label makes the same millions of hot cross buns half with one label and half with different label same product nad then the masses are happy? Pathetic!!!!!!!!! get a life, feed some hungry kids, save a rhino(at least the have more brains) and you will not have time to fret about crap like this.

  • Veronica - 2012-03-31 08:43

    There is no need to put a halaal sign on a pack of hot cross buns the significance of the hot c bun symbolises the crufication of Christ it is your choice to eat it or not

      Livvi - 2012-03-31 15:50

      Veronica, there is no Biblical background to the cross on a spiced, raisin bun. The cross of unlevened dough was put on this bun for the sole purpose of making a higher profit at the expense of Christians. If as you claim, it signifies the Crucifixtion of our Lord, why are they available throughout the year?

      Ask - 2012-04-01 04:23

      @Veronica - I think you must be from Durban en all ekse... what kine charro are you... you related to Mike Niaiker... why you so worried about what the muslim bras chow... I tink you get your facts straight...Hot Cross Buns got nothing to do with Christianity and all ekse..., then we can eat this bun in a bunny chow... excuse the 'bun' I mean pun...

  • Veronica - 2012-03-31 08:48

    The hot cross bun is a symbol of the crucifixion of Christ you choose whether you wan to eat it or not it should have nothing to do with labelling packaging taste or whatever else you may want it to be

  • Peter - 2012-03-31 12:05

    How about doing something worthwhile?... like take your dog for a walk?.. than bothering about a sticker on a hot cross bun!!!

  • Peter - 2012-03-31 12:36

    I am so happy just to know that my hot Cross Bun didn't suffer too much when it was slaughtered!

  • Tiny - 2012-03-31 12:57

    In the face of world and in particular South African desperate problems, any thing more said on this subject will only reflect a sure sign of madness.

  • Arlette - 2012-03-31 14:49

    Where does " Hot Cross Buns " fit into Christianity anyway ?????? I quickly read thru the Bible and couldn't find it anywhere!

  • lucas.mogale1 - 2012-03-31 14:54

    Can someone explain why christians are against the halaal logo? Even at shoprite on thursday, they received an email from their headoffice to remove halaal products in bakery and butchery.

      Ask - 2012-03-31 18:51

      @Lucas - TRUE Christians cannot be against Halaal or Kosher; this is because it is based on a Biblical tradition - Old Testament. The issue has racist and anti-semitic undertones... These village idiots that complain about whether food stuff should be Halaal certified or not is based on nothing more than hatred and stupidity; but to call them stupid implies that they have brains - this I'm not sure of... my take on this, if you not happy then leave... I compliment the retailers that have the guts to cater for minority groups. I say again, (this could NOT be said before 1994)... if you not happy - LEAVE...

  • Justin - 2012-03-31 16:08

    Lol .... shame.

  • Gilbert - 2012-03-31 17:40

    Pathetic Pathetic Pathetic.....Why cant we co-exist without all this utter nonsense...its sheer craziness...Woolies..Dammend if do Damned if you dont....what a travesty...one nation..one people...Contribute dont Contaminate you radical irriots!