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Woolies facing wrath over hot cross buns

2012-03-29 09:26

Cape Town - Woolworths is facing criticism from a few Christians for putting a Halaal certification mark on its hot cross buns, but a bishop has labelled it "nothing more than a storm in a baking pan".

The Cape Times reported on Thursday that people had written e-mails and used social networking sites to voice disapproval of the use of a Muslim mark on a food that had special significance for Christians.

One Christian wrote on Woolworths Facebook wall: “Ja, its sad to hear the woolies we supported all these years turned their backs on Christians.

“Really disappointed. Lucky we received that email, man its spreading like a wild fire. Proud to say a few people I know are boycotting W, including me [sic].”

Another wrote: “I hate woolworths... How can you do that to the Christians, I hope that God will have mercy on you. And dnt be surprised if your shops run bankrupt.. I will pray to my living God and you will see what he is capable of! [sic]”

SA Catholic Bishops' Conference spokesperson Chris Townsend said people were overreacting and needed to be more understanding.

"Hot cross buns are only a symbol, and not a central tenet of Christianity. There are a lot more weighty issues to deal with in SA than a few 'hot cross Christians'," he was quoted as saying.

The food chain apologised for the upset and said it would release separate buns in future - non-Halaal certified hot cross buns and Halaal certified spiced buns.

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Comments
  • Matthew - 2012-03-29 11:55

    Typical.Disgusting,stupid and pathetic!!! typical christian behaviour (myself being a christian,so i comment on my experiance) This is a waste of time,news paper article space and just frankly pathetic.get over yourselves...

  • shirley.wilsoninglis - 2012-03-29 11:55

    All Halal means is that there is no alcohol, blood, pork, or pork products in the food. Sure it is a standard set because of the law they follow, but I am happy to eat Halal products if it ensures my hot cross buns are blood free. Only uneducated fools would be upset by this. The question is what would Jesus do? Well I assure you he would not attack blindly like these people have done. Woollies can keep their label on. All they have done is set back evangelism another 100 years by sparking hatred again. They really don't get it...

      Marion - 2012-03-29 14:38

      @shirley.wilsoninglis - who has set back evangelism another 100 years by sparking hatred and who doesn't get it?

  • Richard - 2012-03-29 11:56

    What's next? Some fanatical Christian is going to fly his microlight into a Woolworths shop...

      christina.engela - 2012-03-29 12:05

      I wouldn't be at all surprised.

      Ben - 2012-03-30 10:07

      I would pay to see that

  • Deon - 2012-03-29 11:58

    Should it not be: "A storm in a tea cup?" unless you eat the spicy one, then it might be a storm in your stomach.

  • juan.nortje2 - 2012-03-29 11:59

    Cant believe what I just read...This is crazy, get over yourself!!!! People always find ways to complain about such small and insignificant things...rather be a good christian and go and feed the hungry child begging next the road, Im sure he would love a hot cross bun

  • Nolan - 2012-03-29 11:59

    I would have thought the christians would be pleased to have a quality control stamp on their food. Halal does have a higher standard than most Bakers would apply in the normal run of a fast moving item. So well done to Woolies for taking pride in their products. (FYI I am Jewish.)

  • rmoolman - 2012-03-29 12:01

    I am a pastafarian. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I demand a special sign on spaghetti.

      Ben - 2012-03-29 15:00

      RAMEN!!!!

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-03-30 18:01

      You need to register your certification service with the government, draw a good picture and have some out of date, non-fab, not so fashionable symbol and charge lots of bucks to get companies to pay for the honor of having it on their products. Claim a massively pure and rich following of dedicated souls and that you serve them by doing the work of God. For good measure claim proper accordance to Gods Law for the method and standard of preparation and than you can charge even more. Free money for Mahala, annually, but be clever, claim that your God only accepts monthly payments. And you are in business forever.

  • watsongeorgejan - 2012-03-29 12:01

    But food does not commend us to God, for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse. 1 Corinthians 8v8

  • Brendon - 2012-03-29 12:06

    I believe in standing up for your religious beliefs,but surely this is a bit extreme, not as extreme as blowing yourself up but a little extreme.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-29 12:07

    I read that everyone throwing his/her ideas on the table and to me it does not make much of a difference, but I do have questions. Why do they now suddenly need to put the sign on while everyone telling us that Muslims eat it in anyway? Why does it suddenly needs to be "health qualified" while it was than good enough to eat yesterday? If it was good yesterday and not today it can only be one of two reasons. The quality went down or it is religion based. Why will changes be so important when the "2%" market is already customers? Why than change when having that market, but standing a change of losing some? Irrelevant of how we label the now unhappy ones. Why cant a religion not trust production when on standard? I worked for a chicken company(very well known one) where the appointed person, for that religion, was the biggest drunkard in the company. His superiors knew about it. Even on duty. The company did not change anything except for adding the sign, build a "chapel" and paying for the certificate. May be Christians see more into the recognizing of another religion than anything else and maybe they must insist in having the fish symbol or what ever please them, on. I wonder if the other religion will that buy the stuff.? Any Muslims that can help me with that? Like said before. I does not bother me too much. Last questions: Must Christians except other religions symbols on but cant insist of not having them on? The fact remains that the beliefs differ.

  • doreen.fosse - 2012-03-29 12:09

    Oh please how pathetic??.....so what if there are Halaal stickers on it...hotcross buns are NOT just for Easter, Pick and Pay have had them since January, I buy a pack each week....eish why can't people just be tolerant or ALL walks of life!!

  • Megan - 2012-03-29 12:10

    This is so retarded.

  • Barker - 2012-03-29 12:12

    There are various views on where a hot cross bun comes from: The pagans had spicy buns and added the cross to represent the phases of the moon. The Saxons ate them in honour of the goddess Eostre. Monks added the cross to spicy buns to try and convert more people to Christianity. The bun is sold without the cross on it year round. My advice to the whingers is, get a life. You do not hold the patent to the 'arm angry cheek of buttock'

  • melissalarajones - 2012-03-29 12:12

    Has nobody noticed that Woolworths sell hot cross buns all year round? If it's such a massively important religious symbol associated with Easter, why have the Christians not launched a protest over the fact that they're available when it's NOT Easter? Come on people. Just have your buns and eat them. Oh, and by the way - the ingredients HAVE changed. You can now get them with chocolate, cranberries, and various other delightful things in.

      Marion - 2012-03-29 14:47

      lol - I didn't mean that when I spoke of change of ingredients. I meant along the changes of macon vs bacon etc., :-))) Excellent comment.

  • brand0nbradley - 2012-03-29 12:14

    Come now. This is funny. Christmas Easter are more capitalistic secular holidays than anything. Ones celebrating the most are Woolies, Checkers, PnP board members, after they see their bank balance. Believers of true Grace and Faith do / should just celebrate in heart and soul - not with eating and drinking. Laughing this off as the sign of the times.

  • christina.engela - 2012-03-29 12:15

    Btw, since the bun is round and the intersection point of the two lines on the bun is in the center, does that make the mark on the bun a 'cross' - or an "x"? ;)

  • Den - 2012-03-29 12:16

    so so stupid, you would think in our society, muslims would know they not allowed hot cross buns, whats next our bacon?

  • lwando.poni - 2012-03-29 12:18

    I'm not a Christian nor am I religious but I think Muslims should have special sections and packs that have been specially prayed. I've always hated having the Halaal stamp on my food because I dont know what it means nor am I interested...

  • MyHairyMonster - 2012-03-29 12:19

    Well I never thought this would ever happen in my life time. Now I have heard it all. This highlight how far we as humans have come in such a short space of time. My comment is aimed at everyone who has commented on this topic. We as humans should be thought full and kind to our fellow men. irrelevant of Colour, age, race, sex or religion. As South Africans, you should by now have leant the meaning of tolerance and respect. This is not what us as South Africans should be even discussing after all we have gone through over the past 20 years. It does not make me proud to be a south African. I quote a comment from a great leader! "Never, never and never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another." Nelson Mandela. Are we not doing just that. We debate about a sticker on a package. It seems very silly if you think about it. Considering the would we live in has far more impotent issues to worry about. Do you think a starving child in Africa even cares about a stick on a packet of food but would rather just have a crumb of the hot cross bun. Everyone should take a long hard look at your self and question why this is even a debate. I am sure if Woolworth was to donate R1 from every packet of Hot Cross Bum sold to charity to help feed staring children in Africa. You would not give a flying Hoot what they put on the packet. If woolworth's said free hot cross buns this week, would you care what it said on the packet.

  • Casey - 2012-03-29 12:19

    All i can say... This is pathetic really... A hot cross bun is a hot cross bun... just a piece of food that goes in your mouth and chewed, not matter if it has a "sticker" on or not... get a life people.

  • andycaveclarens - 2012-03-29 12:21

    seems the easter bunny is in trouble next,,,,,,happy easter and remember to have chocolate eggs made with child labour,,,,,this ridiculous religous intolerance is only fuel to the fire and should be shown the middle finger by woolies...seems these folks aren't gonna get any take aways or even a coke ....

  • vaughan.greene - 2012-03-29 12:21

    it seems to me that christianity is all about making trouble and boycoting places and trying to shut companies down etc sounds a bit like a labour union to me.

  • Ikraam - 2012-03-29 12:22

    The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus “And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”. “Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8] Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy “And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8] A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5. The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-29 12:53

      The teachings in the bible was to tell the people what to do and what not with their health in mind. You are correct. So was the removal of the foreskin as well to prevent sand/dust to cause infection and now it is suddenly a holy practice. When reading the bible and interpreted it one needs to be careful. Lets symbolized the bible as a flower. The honey bee take the nectar to make the sweetest honey. The spider takes the same nectar to make it's poison.

      Sunil - 2012-04-02 10:41

      Ikraam , You should consult my Muslim Doctor about the other 100000 diseases that are caused by pollution , mercury laden fish ,starvation holistic healing and lousy politicians

      Sunil - 2012-04-02 10:41

      Ikraam , You should consult my Muslim Doctor about the other 100000 diseases that are caused by pollution , mercury laden fish ,starvation holistic healing and lousy politicians

  • Natascha - 2012-03-29 12:22

    Really now people. A hot cross bun remains a hot cross bun and you cannot beat the hot cross buns sold at Woolies. Get a grip!!!!!!! I agree with Jean, since when did hot cross buns become a symbol of Christianity???? Why cant these idiots focus on more important things

  • MyHairyMonster - 2012-03-29 12:25

    Well I never thought this would ever happen in my life time. Now I have heard it all. This highlight how far we as humans have come in such a short space of time. My comment is aimed at everyone who has commented on this topic. We as humans should be thought full and kind to our fellow men. irrelevant of Colour, age, race, sex or religion. As South Africans, you should by now have leant the meaning of tolerance and respect. This is not what us as South Africans should be even discussing after all we have gone through over the past 20 years. It does not make me proud to be a south African. I quote a comment from a great leader! "Never, never and never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another." Nelson Mandela. Are we not doing just that. We debate about a sticker on a package. It seems very silly if you think about it. Considering the would we live in has far more impotent issues to worry about. Do you think a starving child in Africa even cares about a stick on a packet of food but would rather just have a crumb of the hot cross bun. Everyone should take a long hard look at your self and question why this is even a debate. I am sure if Woolworth was to donate R1 from every packet of Hot Cross Bum sold to charity to help feed staring children in Africa. You would not give a flying Hoot what they put on the packet. If woolworth's said free hot cross buns this week, would you care what it said on the packet.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-03-30 18:33

      Well the money paid to the religious certification organizations for one, could go to donating hot cross buns to the needy, two, the need to put stickers on food, for payment by a supposedly celestially ordained organization of a chosen brotherhood of elitist men who claim to be workers of God......... well hot cross f£^%$@...ING BUNS or not, the issue here..... as to the question of how far have we come in our great young South African democracy..... are we as a nation going to continue to harbor such drivel, such pre-historic religious orders to gain 'free'--'paid for' authentication of services not seen or physically rendered----- it is all a scam-nothing more than a con artist trick disguised under religion. tolerate the person but there is no need to tolerate the scam. three, the detail is in the small things........always.

  • Fatima - 2012-03-29 12:27

    what will happen if they just baked the buns without the cross would that make everyone happy ???? and the difference between a HOT cross bun and a SPICY bun is what ??? so if i eat the one with the cross does that make me christian and if i eat the spicy one then im muslim.... people get a life really !!!

  • Daniel - 2012-03-29 12:28

    email woolworths about hotcroosbuns email address, custserv@woolworths.co.za

  • Arrione - 2012-03-29 12:28

    i dont know what does hot cross buns have to do with christianty in the first place accept for making a mockery of it,they only make a cross out of unleaven bread on top of the bun,if u read Exodus 12 in the bible the whole bun is suppose to be unleaven,if there was even leaven found in your house you'll be cut off from the congregation(sic)

  • hayden.cajee - 2012-03-29 12:29

    So much for christians being forgiving and loving thy brother! Boycotting etc etc, I think thats sad and hateful, ATHIESTISM

  • Daniel - 2012-03-29 12:29

    PS TJ pleae provide me with a scriptural reference where it states that you have to accept other people of other religions, that is the most anti-christiaan statement ever that the devil planted in peoples brains, My bible says, go make christiaans of all other people.

  • sabongam - 2012-03-29 12:33

    @ Andre do not be an imbecile in your thinking. Or do you even think...Maybe some research on your part will help before you make idiotic comments.Especially when it comes to sensitive subjects like religion...Now let me educate you...The word "Allah" is the perfect description of the "One God" of monotheism for Jews, Christians and Muslims. Which means Allah is for all three Abrahamic Faiths. Allah is the same word used by both Christians(God) and Jews(Elohim)(just different wording or language). Take your bible and have a look at page one of Genesis in the Old Testament, there you'll find the word "Allah" mentioned not once but 17 times.To put it simply for you, Allah means God in Arabic...Subject closed.

  • sbriedenhann - 2012-03-29 12:33

    I actually feel sorry for Woolworths. They keep having to kertow to a seemly constant barrage of customers for the most absurd reasons (and this is the 2nd time I've heard the Christians saying they will boycott the store - last time it was over the lack of stock of a magazine). And Woolworths have again conceeded and said they have now said they will sell buns for Muslims and buns for Christians. I mean seriously? All this trouble over what?

  • Syd - 2012-03-29 12:34

    Get a life people! Hot cross buns pre-date Christianity anyway. They were eaten by the ancient Saxons. Furthermore, where is the Christian spirit. Oh, I forgot, those who preach the most have the least.

  • Tracy - 2012-03-29 12:35

    Did anyone notice the fact that Beacon easter eggs no longer carry the word easter for the same reasons. Mmmmm, lets make diwali a no no word as well then.

      mbossenger - 2012-03-29 21:11

      Are you pagan? If not, why the complaint?

  • melinda.vanpletzen - 2012-03-29 12:35

    I also agree, Christians should not seek Christianity in a bun or a retail outlet, but rather use this as an opportunity, to spread the word of GOD...be the sample, be the change you want to see in the world...Ghandi's words. We should not put our eyes on the world or people,or for that matter on a HOT CROSS BUN but rather on GOD and lady in the write-up that says" Another wrote: “I hate woolworths... How can you do that to the Christians, I hope that God will have mercy on you. And dnt be surprised if your shops run bankrupt.. I will pray to my living God and you will see what he is capable of! [sic]” ...how dare you provoke God in such a manner and you as a Christian, cannot HATE....it is people like you that make Christianity a mockery ......

  • jacques.koorts - 2012-03-29 12:38

    what disturbs me the most is that Woolworths forgot about all the 15712 religions out there! The nerve!

  • watsongeorgejan - 2012-03-29 12:41

    Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man. Matthew 15v11

  • tony.delucchi - 2012-03-29 12:46

    ...if they want to satisfy Muslim customers why don't they put a crescent moon and a star on the bun and call it a TALIBUN!

      watsongeorgejan - 2012-03-29 12:55

      Creative..

  • Ally - 2012-03-29 12:47

    what would God say?

      Zing - 2012-03-29 16:44

      "munch munch munch" oops . . sorry "Munch Munch Munch"

  • Graham - 2012-03-29 12:47

    As a Christian, these guys who are knocking WW must grow up. god will fight his own battles. this is not worth loosing sleep over. We as Christians must just continue doing what we are called to do, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and LOVE others as you would want them to love you. And FORGIVE.

  • Giles - 2012-03-29 12:48

    I'm sure Julius is behind this!

  • Keri - 2012-03-29 12:50

    Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. 19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? (The KJV Bible)

  • gaeleen - 2012-03-29 12:50

    Whilst you all point fingers, this was just the cherry on the top. Woolworths has bent over backwards to ensure Halaal clients are catered for. Where is the Kosher section for the Jews for Passover (Andre passover has meaningto the Jews and Easter to the Christians) and another thing where why dont they make those scruptious pork pies anymore? Is it because pork is not halaal? Dont just brush this off; start adding up all the places that have changed their business practices to accommodate muslim beliefs and ways - You may just get a shock!

  • Keri - 2012-03-29 12:52

    Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. 19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? (The KJV Bible)

  • asisipo - 2012-03-29 12:55

    im a christian and i love jesus.therez a tendecy amoung us christianz of thinking we are better than other people ,which is disturbng as jesus considered hmslf least importnt of all people and we are to walk in his steps!!lets leave the cross buns,and pray for religious chains to be broken!!

  • Peter - 2012-03-29 12:55

    Jean you asked when did the hot cross bun become a symbol of Christianity, well over 60 years ago when I was a kid the church use to bake buns, put a cross on top to reflect the crusifixion. What has changed?

  • Ben - 2012-03-29 12:57

    Hahaha! Christians pissed for making a Christian holiday food Halaal...HAHAHA!!!! Classic.

  • Jabu - 2012-03-29 12:58

    Aaaarg, give us a break. Complaining , complaining and complaining. Its just a bun, let's worry about serious things. Not this.

  • adriaan.mostert - 2012-03-29 13:00

    Again, this article clearly states that without religion society would be a much happier place - a place where everyone can enjoy the buns in peace!

  • vorster.nico - 2012-03-29 13:01

    And the sheep says: Bhaaa bhaa.