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Woolies facing wrath over hot cross buns

2012-03-29 09:26

Cape Town - Woolworths is facing criticism from a few Christians for putting a Halaal certification mark on its hot cross buns, but a bishop has labelled it "nothing more than a storm in a baking pan".

The Cape Times reported on Thursday that people had written e-mails and used social networking sites to voice disapproval of the use of a Muslim mark on a food that had special significance for Christians.

One Christian wrote on Woolworths Facebook wall: “Ja, its sad to hear the woolies we supported all these years turned their backs on Christians.

“Really disappointed. Lucky we received that email, man its spreading like a wild fire. Proud to say a few people I know are boycotting W, including me [sic].”

Another wrote: “I hate woolworths... How can you do that to the Christians, I hope that God will have mercy on you. And dnt be surprised if your shops run bankrupt.. I will pray to my living God and you will see what he is capable of! [sic]”

SA Catholic Bishops' Conference spokesperson Chris Townsend said people were overreacting and needed to be more understanding.

"Hot cross buns are only a symbol, and not a central tenet of Christianity. There are a lot more weighty issues to deal with in SA than a few 'hot cross Christians'," he was quoted as saying.

The food chain apologised for the upset and said it would release separate buns in future - non-Halaal certified hot cross buns and Halaal certified spiced buns.

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Comments
  • xxPSxx - 2012-03-29 14:30

    What a load of nonsense. The belief in a bun as a symbol of something risen is half baked. Born and bread hot cross bunnies might want to investigate the use of eggs, rather, and find a way to justify that. How superstitious can a culture get?

  • Joan - 2012-03-29 14:30

    Just something to think about. I work for a large chicken company which is halaal certified. I was recently "attacked" by someone in my social circle for supporting terrorisim and being the reason why South Africans need a visa to travel to the UK. She claims that as my employer pays the MJC (Muslin Judicial Council) and/or SANHA (SA National Halaal Association) we promote terrorism. Bottom line is, the only reason companies put halaal stickers on their products is to ensure sales to a wealthy segment of our society. I can only imagine that there is a component of animal product used in the production of the Hot Cross Buns where Woolies has to certify that the animals were slaughtered in line with Halaal criteria. And, btw - Hot Cross Buns were only introduced into Christianity in the 18th Century. They actually originate from PAGAN rites celebrating The Fertility Goddess Eostre - the bunnies and eggs represent the fertility she brought forth. I wonder how many Christians will now stop buying Easter Eggs at the thought of supporting pagan rites? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_cross_bun

      Zing - 2012-03-29 16:54

      Shhhh . . . they might realise their entire religion is based on hand-me-down stories!

  • vijay.moodley - 2012-03-29 14:32

    And the humble hot cross bun started the next religious global war .... Will make a good movie, don't you think. Starring David Hasselhof as the voice of the hot cross bun. And who shall be our hero/heroine? Will Smith or Charlize Theron?

      Micres - 2012-03-29 16:32

      They'll have to make it a South African, since it's us that started it! Penny Smith...HAhahaahahahaa!

      Zing - 2012-03-29 16:55

      In the next episode of "The Crusaders" we'll all have a hot-cross-bun plastered to our chests and shields . .

  • Gillian - 2012-03-29 14:39

    also note: Easter eggs have been carrying the Halaal sign for years! irritating - try putting a cross on a samoosa!!! Don't forget the TRUE meaning of Easter during this debate!

  • Gillian - 2012-03-29 14:41

    note: Easter eggs have carried the Halaal sign for years! Try putting a cross on a samoosa!!! Don't forget the REAL and TRUE meaning of Easter during this debate.

  • Gillian - 2012-03-29 14:43

    Come on! I know God has a sense of humour, where is yours? If you are a Christian like you say you are, you would know that you should never be in offence. I cannot believe that people have bothered to take the time to make a federal case out of this. And caring is sharing...seriously guys...is this really important? What do you think God would do in this situation? He loves everyone just the same. Don't judge, lest ye be judged!

  • antoinettel2 - 2012-03-29 14:43

    Oh whatever!!!! what significance does it have to Christianity? Grow up!!!! Hot cross buns, pickled fish and Easter eggs have no meaning what so ever to Easter, these are all traditions that humans started!!!! By putting the halal symbol on the bus simply indicates that there are no animal products used when making the buns.............. Please get a life!!!!

  • rudi.engelbrecht - 2012-03-29 14:48

    If it offends you, don't buy it. Simple. The text is Matthew 15:11 What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' So never mind the Hot Cross Buns and Red Bull shennanigans, the amount of press that a few legalist's opinions/beliefs garner and what the majority of athiests then crucify all of Christendom over. All would do well to think about the scripture above which absolves none and condemns everyone. As for me I give God thanks for every hot crossed bun I get this Easter, celebrate Passover, say a prayer for every Muslim/Athiest/Pagan employed as a result, and repent of the poor character that my utterances at times reveal about me.

  • antonia.m.santos - 2012-03-29 14:48

    Christians know what you talking about here is the history of the bun:In many historically Christian countries, buns are traditionally eaten hot or toasted on Good Friday, with the cross standing as a symbol of the Crucifixion. They are believed by some to pre-date Christianity, although the first recorded use of the term "hot cross bun" was not until 1733;[1] it is believed that buns marked with a cross were eaten by Saxons in honour of the goddess Eostre (the cross is thought to have symbolised the four quarters of the moon);[4] "Eostre" is probably the origin of the name "Easter".[1] Others claim that the Greeks marked cakes with a cross, much earlier.[5] According to cookery writer Elizabeth David, Protestant English monarchs saw the buns as a dangerous hold-over of Catholic belief in England, being baked from the dough used in making the communion wafer. Protestant England attempted to ban the sale of the buns by bakers but they were too popular, and instead Elizabeth I passed a law permitting bakeries to sell them, but only at Easter and Christmas.[citation needed]

  • angelique.moodley1 - 2012-03-29 14:51

    so I'm reading this article and thinking,,all these christians,,do they eat roti's and samoosas,,,just wondering

  • Shamier - 2012-03-29 14:54

    So...here's whats gonna happen. Woolies wont remove the stickers because they will lose revenue (Nothing wrong in that)...christians won't boycott woolies because most christians aren't idiots. Everyone will eat the sodding buns. za-atheist and his crew will have a mental masturbation session about how this shows up religion and then pat each other on the back for a while...Tracey-Lee will slip up in her boycott of woolies weeks from now and then be slightly guilt ridden about it for a day or two...All the folks trying to create a muslim bogeyman will chat about it at a braai saying 'hell man...those moslems are creeping up everywhere'...cuz its the only conspiracy theory their feeble minds can create and they desperately need one...Some idiot muslim sheik will go on about the evils of easter eggs/hot cross buns at friday prayers...the folks in mosque will pretend to be interested...all the while thinking about what they gonna have for lunch afterwards...they will have a delicious easter egg later that evening...rinse and repeat...

      Micres - 2012-03-29 16:33

      Yep, they'll be disguised in Hijab!!!

      Thandiwe - 2012-04-02 09:58

      HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... You could write a book about this Shamier, best comment yet. Scary how many lunatics have internet acess....

  • palesapr - 2012-03-29 14:55

    To all the so-called "christians", I believe that you it's not what you put into your mouth, it's what comes out that determines the person's righteousness....... a true Christian

  • angelique.moodley1 - 2012-03-29 14:57

    so I doubt all these christians taht are complaining,,dont eat roti's and samoosas lol

  • Wayne - 2012-03-29 14:57

    you guys are still going on about a stupid bun! retards...next you guys will fight over pepsi and coke

  • Joan - 2012-03-29 14:58

    The thing with "Christians" is..... Same as standing in a garage does not make you a car, attending church does not make you a christian.

  • Barry - 2012-03-29 14:58

    Well said Chris Townsend. There are much bigger issues indeed! This is coming from a fundamentalist Christian who knows that fudamentaly Christianity is about Christ plus love, peace, humility, acceptance & forgiveness

  • Gouwsenator - 2012-03-29 15:01

    Jesus was the first guy to bake hot cross buns. How dare they put a Halaal sign on!

      mbossenger - 2012-03-29 21:16

      I thought he was a carpenter, not a baker?

  • annelize.jerling - 2012-03-29 15:02

    Its so pathetic. I am embarrassed by the behaviour of fellow "Christians' I suppose none of these 'moaners and complainers' eat at Macdonalds??? Get a life. I am of Christian faith and eat Halaal food at all my functions. I haven't died yet and God hasn't punished me. The God I serve must cringe when he sees his 'followers' behave like this!!

  • Ben - 2012-03-29 15:06

    Wow... just look at you people. A sticker on a pack of buns. And people wonder why I'll keep my children away from religion...urgh

  • Dean - 2012-03-29 15:12

    'Hot cross buns' never been disussed so much as now. Small things amuses small minds, and hot cross buns make you fat :)

  • wayne.jubber - 2012-03-29 15:17

    Sorry did not realize their are so many half assed christians who would tolerate having a Muslims stamp of blessing banged all over them. I was wrong to stand up for my religion and apologize profusely to the Muslims and heathens who i have disappointed. Seems the intelligent don't care types rule here and principles and morals don't apply

  • Eugene - 2012-03-29 15:22

    I think everyone is missing the point here. I just came across this and i think the reason why Christians are so upset is because why should the Hot Cross Bun which has become synonymous with Christianity (even if it has pagan origins as some say) be Halaal certified? And i think it is right that people are beginning to stand up. Are we not supposed to be living in a country where the majority of South Africans claim to be Christian yet more and more eateries especially fast food outlets are becoming Halaal certified. Would a Jew allow a cross to be plastered all over a matzo which is eaten at the Jewish passover? As Christians we need to stand up for our faith; no matter how small, irrelevant or insignificat it may be. So hats off to those who had the balls to tell Woolies off because i can say with certainty had it being the other way around many Muslims woulds have protested. And on a personal note as a Catholic, i am disappointed with the response from the spokesperson of the SA Catholic Bishops conference as this matter is simply about principle and it is right that the symbol of Islam be removed from a food product which is eaten at the dinner table on a day sacred in the Christian faith.

      Micres - 2012-03-29 16:37

      The reason why Christians should not be standing up for such a ridiculous cause, is because a Halaal certification stamp, is simply a dietary requirement. If you're going to get upset about it, then you need to have a beef with people who can't eat wheat either! Education is the key here. The stamp does not bless anything!

  • Themba - 2012-03-29 15:23

    Christians are weird.

  • wayne.jubber - 2012-03-29 15:24

    In many historically Christian countries, buns are traditionally eaten hot or toasted on Good Friday, with the cross standing as a symbol of the Crucifixion. To all you lame assed twats who keep saying a hot cross bun is not a christian thing

  • Gregory - 2012-03-29 15:25

    Hope these bigot Christians choke on their self righteous buns.

  • MandyDbn - 2012-03-29 15:27

    Seriously!!! What a load of codswallop!! Anyone should be allowed to eat the flippen things, including Muslims. What kind of people are 'Christians' if they are so small minded and intolerant. I thank the gods that I am not associated with that type of brainless attitude.

  • John - 2012-03-29 15:27

    I think that too many people are missing the point or what the outrage is about. It is not about the hot cross buns being halaal or about the ingredients in the hot cross buns. It is about the fact that woolworths is profiting off blaspheming by putting other religious symbols on something that is a Christian reminder of the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us. That is, what I think, a smack in the face of the Christian faith. So what then, is the point of making some hot cross buns with the halaal symbol and some without?

      adriaan.mostert - 2012-03-29 15:39

      The point is John - people from all walks of life might like a hot cross bun with their coffee - last I checked Woolworths is a GROCERY / CLOTHING / HOME retailer - not part of a religion (thank goodness). Woolworth's hot cross bun was not specifically made for a couple of wackos - it was made for people who like hot cross buns! Woolworths only made the change so Muslim people can also enjoy the confectionery. Sounds fair to me - cannot blame Muslim people also wanting a nicely spiced hot cross bun!

  • Annien - 2012-03-29 15:28

    What happened to tolerance? Live and let live!! Not a very nice example of Christian love - to use it against all the drama queens - boycotting woolworths because of a hot cross bun - what would Jesus do? Really make a fuss over something you eat? Whats next - killing the easter bunny? Get a Life

  • Rebecca - 2012-03-29 15:29

    Grow the Hell up people, seriously Hot Cross Buns actually have Bugger all to do with christianity! Honestly

  • John - 2012-03-29 15:29

    I think that too many people are missing the point or what the outrage is about. It is not about the hot cross buns being halaal or about the ingredients in the hot cross buns. It is about the fact that woolworths is profiting off blaspheming by putting other religious symbols on something that is a Christian reminder of the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us. That is, what I think, a smack in the face of the Christian faith. So what then, is the point of making some hot cross buns with the halaal symbol and some without?

      sanet.oelofse - 2012-03-29 15:39

      If it's a smack in the face, turn the other cheek...

      adriaan.mostert - 2012-03-29 15:55

      The point is John - people from all walks of life might hot cross bun with their coffee - last I checked Woolworths is a GROCERY / CLOTHING / HOME retailer - not part of a religion (thank goodness). Woolworth's hot cross bun was not specifically made for a couple of wackos. Woolworths only made the change so Muslim people can also enjoy the confectionery. Sounds fair to me - cannot blame Muslim people also wanting a nicely spiced hot cross bun!

  • sanet.oelofse - 2012-03-29 15:31

    So does that imply that all Jewish or Muslem owned companies should continue doing business on these public holidays, as it's not their holidays afterall?

  • Pur - 2012-03-29 15:31

    If Jesus read this article and all these comments he would shake his head and say, "Now I understand why Dad is going to destroy this cesspool of a world on 21 December. How did the simple message I gave to mankind 2000 years ago get so screwed up by so many crazy people?".

  • Liz - 2012-03-29 15:32

    OOOh for pete`s sake, get a life, If Woolies halaal buns are your biggest problem, you are actually already in Paradise !

  • Zing - 2012-03-29 15:36

    Next thing we're going to have an issue with a hot cross bunny-chow. OK, now I'm hungry . . .

  • Omega - 2012-03-29 15:36

    What are these irate Christians even doing in Woolies during Lent? Shouldn't they be flagellating themselves somewhere quietly and sticking to bread and water. It must be tough on them that we live in a modern immoral world, but denying tasty treats to others on the basis of their religious believes and mostly shared values is rather mean spirited. How do these same people feel about the pagan Easter Bunny?

  • nicola.killops - 2012-03-29 15:38

    To Quote a Woolies customer in the story " I hate woolworths... How can you do that to the Christians, I hope that God will have mercy on you. And dnt be surprised if your shops run bankrupt.. "...How very Christian of this person (Not)

  • Leonard - 2012-03-29 15:39

    Oh my greatness, has no one every realised that the mark appears on every single product in every single shop? Seriously.... I'm a christian and I don't take offence to it, pray over ur food and it will be blessed, rather read the bible if u have sooo much time making a fuss over this.

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-03-29 15:40

    Ooooh, it's a cross! And all along I thought it was a X..

      Zing - 2012-03-29 17:00

      I didn't even see the cross until I ate one from the other side. And since then I'm very careful not to eat the cross upside-down.

  • jacovniek - 2012-03-29 15:43

    Some days I am embarrassed to call myself a Christian. If you really want to get technical, there is nothing Christian about hot cross buns. Hot cross buns were adopted by English monarchs from the Saxons (who ate "hot cross buns" in honour of the goddess "Eostre"). So really, you have a lot more to complain about than a "Halaal" symbol on your heathen bread. Get a life.

  • Fran - 2012-03-29 15:45

    Oh for goodness sake, is the cross bun a God? I am a devoted Christian and this time really people must just get their Christian priorities straight if they have any left. A cross bun is not even mentioned in the bible, when Jesus broke bread on the last supper he didn't break a cross bun but bread made with yeast. Why is it that this days we always get an excuse to protest about something even if is not legitimate to do so? If you don't like the cross buns that Woolies make just go to Spar or somewhere else and stop faffing about nothing. Is God a Spirit or a cross bun? Many of you don't even remember it as a symbol of something before you eat it, you just eat without even saying grace. Like a colleague of mine from West Africa said: In South Africa you have too much freedom, now I can see she was right.

  • Franco - 2012-03-29 15:45

    Traditions can be very important and should not be underestimated. A persons religious sensitivities should be respected. Although I must admit there are far more serious issues to think about

  • rianette.kemp - 2012-03-29 15:47

    It again shows me (as a Christian) how ignorant people/manufacturers etc are regarding halaal and what it means. Time we ask for a crucifix on matzos?

  • Reehaz - 2012-03-29 15:48

    wayne by halaal it does not mean the bun is blessed on but rather the ingredients used are suitable for muslims as well.

  • Gloria - 2012-03-29 15:49

    lol...some ppl are taking their buns too seriously...

  • rianette.kemp - 2012-03-29 15:50

    Who cares who supposedly blessed what food before I buy it (I would love to see the kitchens swarming with priests and the like). I pray to God (my Christian God) to bless the food I eat and that supercedes any other "blessing"

  • Tasha - 2012-03-29 15:51

    This is retarded. I'm a practicing Christian and this most certainly is the least of my current concerns. I really don't see the drama. Besides the 'hot cross bun' is not a religious symbol, pretty much just commercial. Nor do I see the point of not letting those with dietary constraints know that they can eat the product. Silly silly people.

  • rianette.kemp - 2012-03-29 15:55

    Just wondering: Knowing what it is supposed to represent(the crucifixtion), do Muslim's buy it? Would love some feedback from Muslims

      Muhammed - 2012-03-29 19:17

      Thanks for the question. Because of the religious significance attached with hot cross buns, it is not permissible for Muslim to purchase or consume it. Personally I think people are making a bit too much about this. Let's just forgive and forget and move on...

  • lcoggon - 2012-03-29 15:56

    It's a damn bun for goodness sake!

  • Den - 2012-03-29 15:57

    we can even have our hot cross buns in peace, whats next our bacon?...just kidding

  • Atomicduzt - 2012-03-29 16:07

    Reading this made me hungry for Xbuns!