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You don't understand democracy, Zuma told

2012-09-14 10:36

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma left opposition MPs infuriated on Thursday when he told the National Assembly that minority groups have “less rights”.

Zuma was responding to a question from DA parliamentary leader, Lindiwe Mazibuko, about wage negotiations at Lonmin mine, Sapa reported.

Mazibuko had asked if he would consider changes to the labour relations regime, which pegged the union representation threshold at 51%.

She said this had led to the situation where AMCU (the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union) was not a recognised union at Lonmin's platinum mine, and therefore excluded from wage negotiations.

Zuma said that within a democracy the majority prevailed.

"We operate within regulated society... Between workers and employers there have been negotiations and agreements, and those agreements must be respected," Zuma said.

"In a democratic situation, it is the majority that prevail. I can't change the rules because you want to make a particular point. You can't then say, smaller unions must then be compared to the bigger unions in the same way."

The president said workers who did not join the majority union could not expect the same privileges.

"You have more rights because you're a majority; you have less rights because you're a minority. That's how democracy works," he said, provoking a huge outcry from opposition benches.

Zuma told MPs it was "a question of accepting the rules of democracy, and operating within them".

An unidentified MP responded from the opposition side of the House: "You don't understand democracy!"

Comments
  • mduduzi.nkosi.311 - 2012-09-14 10:41

    Eish!! #SMH# JZ, JZ, JZ!!

      kala.bafazi - 2012-09-14 10:47

      Presidency - You're doing it wrong

      Johannvw13 - 2012-09-14 10:47

      by understanding democracy do you mean lets outbreed all other races in south Africa. once we have the numbers we all will vote for the same party. in return when we rise to power we will look after you.. Guess this didn’t work as planned hey?

      patson.nedzamba - 2012-09-14 10:52

      Does the saying -- all animals are equal but some are more equal than others rings the bell? President Zuma is rewriting the freedom charter as the pigs did in George Orwell's Animal farm

      rbphiri - 2012-09-14 10:59

      We all have a wisdom tooth, but some individuals in society still manage to utter nonesense in spite of this. How can we reach reconciliation if we keep scratching on the wounds of the past. Such comments reincarnate apartheid tendencies.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-14 11:04

      Now I'm not sure if our president can even spell "Democracy" let alone understand what it means. Met eish...

      rbphiri - 2012-09-14 11:06

      Further evidence to prove that the President is highly intelligent...I'm so sorry I doubt his super awesome cranial powers...may your shower head "reign" on my parade.

      roger.hess.14 - 2012-09-14 11:13

      I'm speechless,.. almost: so this is the man who's supposed to lead the country and get a handle JM with his FYL? Speaking of the FYL; I was trying to come up with a better term for this abbreviation (i.e.: Fried Young Lunatics?). Any thoughts?

      mlucejko - 2012-09-14 11:23

      While the rest of the world is sorting out the problems caused by this recession, getting as many people back to work as possible, trying to make their economies more efficient.... Here in South Africa we a still squabbling about which colour gets what, who has more rights than the others !! PATHETIC !!

      Willie - 2012-09-14 11:35

      Mr Pres pls take a hike time up!!!! (gong)

      mongwadi - 2012-09-14 11:39

      That's why i do not respond to intelligent or relevent questions if i know my answer is gonna suck or make me look stupid

      Hamrammr - 2012-09-14 12:16

      Democracy is two wolves and one sheep deciding what is for dinner, JZ clarified this matter for us!

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-14 12:46

      Zuma has got this uncanny ability to step from one cow pattie into the next. I am sure the cabinet ministers are laughing behind his back.

      chuck.farley.104418 - 2012-09-14 13:03

      WOOOOOOO EH EH! There is alot this one does not understand........

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-09-14 13:18

      Sorry, SA isn't a democracy, Until there is a viable 2nd party (out side of Cape Town) then there isn't a democracy in SA. The ANC at it's national meetings chooses the candidates that will run for election and the people overwhelmingly vote for the ANC, thus no democracy. It is very much like the Soviet Union, the politburo would meet, select the candidates and the people would vote for the candidates that the politburo had selected. It's a funny little irony, the ANC needs a strong DA if it is going to survive. If there is no political alternative to get change then the opposition will turn to violence. SEE LONMIN AND JULIUS MALEMA. Beware ANC because there is no alternative those who oppose you will eventually turn to violence. It's the African way.

      grant.stockdale - 2012-09-14 13:20

      Dear Shower Head (the man with 12 Moter In Laws (Eish !!!)) Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows people to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination

      fly.onthewall.54 - 2012-09-14 13:25

      If this is the case Mr president, does it apply to Tax Payers as well??? Surely then the majority prevails which in theory means... Zuma ur Fired!!!

      boeretroos.redakteur - 2012-09-14 16:54

      He spells democracy like this..democrazy. The anc pied piper.

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-09-14 17:16

      "I dont understand democracy, ..... eish .... i dont understand that statement"

      tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-09-14 19:04

      In a democracy the minority s also represented by their own candidates, which is why the DA also have members in Parliament. In the same way the smaller unions should also have representation in negotiations. Somebody should explain that to ZUMA. (and to Jennifer Bosman)

      tyson.love.94 - 2012-09-14 20:05

      Majority rule, in a democratic country. only in a dictatership/apartheid minority rule! get your F!cken facts straight people!

      Vince.York - 2012-09-14 23:16

      I wonder how far the zuma-dynasty will FLEE when the 37 million youth turn on them with pangas?

      alf.pop - 2012-09-15 07:53

      I always knew Zipper is a moron, but now he confirmed it in parliament and on TV! The frightening part is that he has no clue how democracy works, but he is the president! Is the view he expressed his own, or is it the view of the ruling party and of government? These idiots are not fit to run a bath let alona a country! I am just waiting for the comments from overseas!

      andreas.meyer.12327 - 2012-09-15 16:22

      What happened to FW de Klerks weights and counterweights?!

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-09-15 20:00

      A page straight from George Orwell's Animal farm... I think that the President of South Africa should go read Chapter 2 of the South African Constitution… that part that says “Bill of Rights”…especially section 9 that deals with “Equality”. I honestly do not know how this fool can be in charge of this country when he cannot even get the elementary basics rights

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-09-15 23:04

      One only needs government for two purposes and that is to protect the rights of the citizens and to the best of their ability prevent the “initiation of force”. When the President of the country says that minorities have no rights in a democracy… Then they have broken the social contract with the people and lost their right to rule. Such a government is then unconstitutional, illegal and downright criminal. Such a regime should not be tolerated. In the absence of justice, civil disobedience is the only option. Civil disobedience is a necessary and integral part of a true democracy. It is ingrained into the constitution of the country… Section 17 of the “Bill of rights”. If government is a machine of corruption and theft then we should be the friction that wears it out and brings it to a standstill. If unjust laws requires you to be the agent of injustice like the laws of AA and BEE then I say break the law!! If the very constitution is the evil, and there is no other way, after you have picketed and petitioned the regime, then what remains? Until the government of South Africa commits itself to treat all its citizens with FULL equality and protection under the law, as stipulated in its constitution and rids itself of its discriminatory laws and actively commits itself to the protection of minorities in the country, they should include me out from their Rainbow Nation circus and deal with my FULL resistance and criticism as it comes.

      raven.sqarr - 2012-09-18 15:25

      @tyson.love.94 - Sorry bud, YOU are wrong - in a democracy it is NOT the majority that rule - that way you will get "tyranny of the majority" - go read. Democracy is active participation of citizens in governmental decisions affecting their lives. It gives them the power to remove their leaders with the need of a revolution. Methinks you ALSO don't understand democracy.

  • gavin.lott.9 - 2012-09-14 10:41

    We're doomed!

      harley.quin.334 - 2012-09-14 11:00

      We're Zoomed!

      Spiral - 2012-09-14 11:09

      ... and from behind his democratic shell, pokes the true face of racism.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-14 11:45

      Not as long as there is still a large number of "old SADF" members around!

      aspruyt - 2012-09-14 17:04

      jennifer.bosman.9: Culture also has a big influence on it and vice versa.

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-14 10:42

    Straight from the horses mouth! That is the policy he believes and follows. That is why the minority in this country mean nothing. Truth at last!

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-14 11:08

      RPhiri: A thousand apologies to all horses! You are right,they are honest,loyal and hard working!

      thandokuhle.ntshangase - 2012-09-14 11:31

      Minority means checks and balance but it ends there. Majority rules that is democracy.Why would all small parties across the country be consolidating their numbers to oust ANC mayors if majority did not rule. I think the real fools are exposing themselves here.

      rbphiri - 2012-09-14 11:33

      LOL Apology accepted Shirley, and you right horses are really hard working.

      Jenny - 2012-09-14 11:38

      thandokuhle - what he said was that the minority have fewer rights than the majority. That is as bad as the apartheid regime who thought that the minority had more rights than the majority. Democracy means we all have equal rights and this is practised in all CIVILIZED democracies. The tenet is that all human being are equal, not that monrities are unequal because there are fewer than them! Have you got it yet?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-14 11:42

      @thandokuhle.ntshangase, that's not the point. The issue is that Zoomer thinks minorities has LESS RIGHTS than majorities... this CANNOT be... EVERYONE MUST HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-14 11:46

      RPhiri for president!!!!

      JManAtheoi - 2012-09-14 11:49

      @ thandokuhle.ntshangase - "I think the real fools are exposing themselves here" - obviously, you're leading the way....

      mastersvoice - 2012-09-14 13:17

      Ntshobs - quite right - majority rules. But you're not really getting the point either. The majority vote will determine who governs, but the majority does not get to govern, only those voted into power do. All people, regardless of whether they voted for or against the government, or actually qualified to vote, have equal rights. Just because you voted for the ANC, does not give you any more rights than someone else who did not. Zuma says you do have more rights. He says the bigger group has more rights than the smaller group, and that minorities can therefore be disregarded. He is clearly confused, and I'm of the opinion he will remain confused, no matter how many times he "applies his mind" to what democracy really is.

      johann.vanvuuren.14 - 2012-09-14 15:09

      We don't have democracy, we have Ineptocracy - "A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers"

      tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-09-14 19:07

      Thando, democracy means equal representation. Plain and simple.

  • ditantane.kganakga - 2012-09-14 10:42

    this is the most embarrasing thing he ever said.

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-09-14 10:44

      It's definitely up there.

      Desilusionada - 2012-09-14 11:05

      This is even deeper down the barrel of stupid statements than what Lamola can scrape! His decent to a contemptuous, laughing stock and idiocratic example of a non-president is accelerating by the day. Anyway just 2 months more than we have to find another dumbnut to laugh at. The Village is built, (well nearly completed -needs another R2Bn), now its waiting for the arrival of the idiot.......

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-14 11:08

      Also the most truthful!

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-14 11:46

      This is worse thatn showering after sex with a HIV person!

      TshilidziPhuravhathu - 2012-09-14 12:03

      talk about breaking your own record, Now can we have a section for "The most stupid comments by presidents" in the Guines book of records?

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-09-14 12:05

      Soon we'll get the, "my statement was misinterpreted", story. Wait and see.

      daniewilken - 2012-09-14 15:16

      Zuma is a mugabe with a malema they are all three DESTROYERS. Everything built up is broken down. Why Because they still hate the white man

  • alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-09-14 10:44

    Ofcourse he understands democracy! He steals from everyone equally.

      lucky.mpoza - 2012-09-14 10:58

      hahahahahaha @Alfred, please dude, i am working here, don't make me laugh like this

      farmfreund - 2012-09-14 14:22

      Good on you mate, cooooooool hahahahhahha

  • papi.duiker - 2012-09-14 10:46

    WTF,where is this country going. somebody please help us.

      rbphiri - 2012-09-14 11:04

      We going no where, because we on the right track but on the wrong train.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-14 13:08

      Lol RPhiri, you never fail to hit the nail.

  • andre.fourie.980 - 2012-09-14 10:46

    More Brilliance from Numbnuts...What an idiot.

  • becky.jamieson1 - 2012-09-14 10:48

    Wow, just when I thought Zuma might actually have some sense. ZUma needs a dictionary!! Zuma u can use my dictionary. :-)

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-14 11:03

      Teddy, that just sounds wro-o-o-ong...

      teddy.beer.319 - 2012-09-14 11:46

      @stirrer. I attempted to translate u mchini wami, into english.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-09-14 15:41

      I'm sure he has more than enough money stashed away to buy lots of dictionaries. It's a pity he's so dumb he obviously thinks he doesn't need one!!!

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-09-14 10:50

    What a bonehead!

  • sydthefirst - 2012-09-14 10:50

    Now I am totaly convinced that our president (deliberately spelled without a capital P) is nothing but an idiot.

      kathy.fivefour - 2012-09-14 11:05

      Please stop insulting all idiots.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-09-14 11:22

      Not 'our' president, but president of our country! He is definitely not my president, for if he was I would have traded him in long ago. Or rather would have tried to trade him in, for I doubt if anyone would have been willing to trade?

  • mastersvoice - 2012-09-14 10:51

    This man is leading us into oblivion! His lack of education is affecting his ability to lead, and his clearly misguided insights in basic concepts like democracy is frightening! He must go!

      merven.halo - 2012-09-14 13:09

      The scary thing is, the other idiots that also want to be president is not much better!

  • lynnethbs - 2012-09-14 10:51

    shame on you showerhead,you really do not understand democracy!!

  • jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-09-14 10:51

    Just add it to the loooooong list of idiotic statements Zuma has made!!!

  • marcel.pyoos - 2012-09-14 10:54

    Sounds like diplomacy is out the door! Super fail...

  • mothakge - 2012-09-14 10:55

    Our President is clueless...the otherday he was on about THE GOVERNMENT or state being criticised unfairly as SA was one of the best in Service delivery.....I mean with all these service delivery protests in the country on a daily basis and the CEO of the country goes into "denialdrove"....People of the South, especially those of the ANC, qualifying to vote in Mangaung, please get rid of this man, if you fail to get rid of him, my vote for the first time is going to the DA!

  • tshepoya.bamagoro - 2012-09-14 10:56

    Now am saying JZ and JUJU have the samething in common and thats illiteracy

      nicolaas.baker - 2012-09-14 19:24

      @Tshepo, one more thing, they went to the same woodwek teacher!

  • bretton.eveleigh - 2012-09-14 10:56

    Zuma just expressed himself wrong... in a democracy, the majority rules. Simple!

      marcel.pyoos - 2012-09-14 11:04

      Definitely was not articulate enough...still, he is the president and is starting to come across alot like good ol George W Bush. He either needs to think a little bit longer before he speaks or stick to his notes.

      luke.dekoker - 2012-09-14 11:40

      True the majority rules but Democracy means equality to ALL.

      abram.spamers - 2012-09-14 11:49

      What Zuma essentially said was that the 51% from 1 union makes the say of the other 49% completely meaningless. That is not entirely how democracy works.. the losing side also gets seats in parliament relative to the amount of votes they received. The minority union should never be excluded completely from negotiations... even if just to say their say.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-09-14 16:01

      NOT in a TRUE Democracy.

      DarrenCooper68 - 2012-09-15 09:47

      While I do believe he expressed himself wrong, as a president and leader of a country he really should be above simple mistakes like that. A populist president elected for who he is not what for how well he is equiped to run a country. The top dog ANC puppet masters can control most things but not his utterances.....

  • wendy.craig.9655 - 2012-09-14 10:56

    I was horrified that the President of our country thinks like this! If this is what he understands by 'democracy' then it is no wonder the country is in such a mess.

      patrickmpanyana.mogwaneng - 2012-09-14 13:59

      If they draft notes for him,he struggle to read them.if asked the direct question he is unable to answer.Then who is he leading and to where ?He is better off as the president of Zumaville.He must go now.

  • patson.nedzamba - 2012-09-14 10:57

    I am so embarrased!The sooner he goes the better

      psalm.proverb.3 - 2012-09-14 12:47

      @ Patson Eish! Agreed. However, it gets even worse when you realise that the goat-herder-turned-president was, as a member of the anti-aparthed struggle, engaged in a struggle for democracy, while having no clue as to what democracy means. He was struggling for a system he does not grasp... And then there was the ANC gallery which cheered and clapped as he "explained" democracy. Do they even know what they were struggling for?

  • louiseroger.higham - 2012-09-14 10:57

    What he said doesn't make sense and as for the idiots who laughed and clapped for him!

      Willie - 2012-09-14 15:01

      No!! they were clapping for his stupidity

  • stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-09-14 10:57

    Then maybe you should watch out, because the Minority your talking about is becoming the Majority to fighting for freedom... keep on what you doing Government... we as normal Humans, not just citizens... we are busy working you out of our system like a virus!! you just watch!

  • dimitripappas - 2012-09-14 10:59

    "In a democratic situation, it is the majority that prevail." - nothing wrong with that statement. It therefore seems to follow logically that the majority will have potentially more rights (in the sense of privileges and responsibilities - better words in this context). The idea behind democracy though is that the voting majority should have best interests of the country at heart and base their vote on that. It doesn't work that way in SA though... here "you have less rights" literally means that you're considered inferior/less important, and subject to racist discriminatory policies such as B.E.E/A.A, and being told to leave the country if you don't like the genocide taking place against your minority group. Might not like what he's saying, but at least he's being honest about how this country works right now. Of course it SHOULDN'T work that way, but it is what it is - so deal with it head-on rather than shoving it under the Persian rug

  • harley.quin.334 - 2012-09-14 10:59

    words fail me.....

  • riad.mahomed - 2012-09-14 11:00

    I don’t believe that’s what our president meant, I think he had a GW Bush moment……………do you suppose when JZ was reading up the meaning “democracy”, the book was upside down…………

  • terrence.schwartz.1 - 2012-09-14 11:02

    Some people are wise, and others are just otherwise, what is going on in his head, what have we deserved to have a President who thinks that way?

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-14 11:02

    Here is a light on the horizon. http://worldnewstomorrow.co.za/blog/2012/09/10/australians-call-for-sanctions-against-sa/ http://www.sapromo.com/features/item/318-australia-calls-for-sanctions-against-sa

      robbie.crouch - 2012-09-14 11:04

      That is on the same level of idiocy as Zuma's statements.

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-09-14 11:30

      we need more of this to get these fools out of leadership positions.

      stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-09-14 12:00

      Thanks for the links!!!

      tw2066 - 2012-09-14 12:34

      Robbie, I am not sure what to make of your comment? Surely you aren't condoning racism

  • nramohale - 2012-09-14 11:02

    president Zuma s damn confused

  • cj.venter - 2012-09-14 11:02

    they protect MINORITY rights in EVERY other CIVILIZED country in the WORLD!!! that's why the rest of the world laughs at our BEE policies.

  • tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-09-14 11:03

    I maintain, most African leaders rise to power under the mantel of Democracy - and the world, the west and the people rejoice. BUT, after a couple of years, it becomes clear that these leaders don't know what Democracy means.

  • wessel.symington - 2012-09-14 11:06

    The book Animal Farm rings a bell... The Pigs said: "All animals were equal, but some Animals are more equal than others"... (George Orwell, Animal Farm - 1945)

  • patson.nedzamba - 2012-09-14 11:06

    The moron is so clueless and insensetive to be a president. From the onset, he rushed to the shower to shower off the virus, His statement about homosexual and now this! He is certainly the worst president this country has ever had. My little daughter understand the concept better for sure.

      sean.odonnell.1466126 - 2012-09-14 11:18

      @Patson....I don't know about that - it will be a tight call between him and Mbeki and also between him and our next president. Where are they (ANC) going to find a true leader, a statesman, amongst that troop?

  • hasani.malungana - 2012-09-14 11:08

    Guys guys, please do not blow this out context, the president means something else give him a chance to explain. English is not our first langauge if he said it in Zulu you would be able to understand it much better.We are all equal in terms of the constitution regardless of whether you voted for the ANC or DA. This man, the President may not have had an opportunity to go to school, but he fought for this democracy. The constitution does not make it a prerequisite to go to a certain level of schooling or attain qualification before you become a president. The ANC surely may have identified certain presidential qualities in him to have ascended that throne.Remember he was a deputy president before. In future we should have presidential election in this country so that the people can decide whom they want to lead. Unfortunately, for now , the majority party chooses, and if Zuma is a wrong choice, so is the people who placed him in that position. They are vacariously liable for the mess, if any, which he may have caused. Do not be hard on our President otherwise we will be leaderless, and where will you get another leader?

      vdwjasper - 2012-09-14 11:22

      I've heard that. Apparently "Kill the boer. Kill the farmer" translates as "Rise up against oppression. Kiss your neighbor. No tongue please." in Zulu.

      harley.quin.334 - 2012-09-14 11:23

      rubbish mate, the fact that english is not his first language is inconsequential(it's not mine either), he is supposed to be the president not a shebeen shelf stacker, we have the right, ALL of us, to expect at least a basic understanding and level of intelligence in the people that govern this country or else we can ALL of us kiss our ass goodby.

      millionwatts1 - 2012-09-14 11:25

      You are confusing the issue further. Anyway who are you explaining to exactly and why do you feel the need to explain anything to anyone?

      Jenny - 2012-09-14 11:42

      He would have said the same thing is Zulu because that is what he believes. Funny that the Nats were given to saying things like this too... Pot / kettle anyone?

      terry.burne - 2012-09-14 11:43

      "....where will we gat another leader" - I am guessing after the ANC Jamboree in a few months time, we will get another leader out of the same rubbish dump that the last one came from!

      luke.dekoker - 2012-09-14 11:53

      Schooling was never important to the anc..You got him as president and the other cardres because the numbers who vote are there.. To be a President you need to be educated, VOTE for DA the next time around and true Democracy (equal rights for ALL) will be there..

      brett.michielin - 2012-09-14 12:05

      Tell that the the molested children, the raped women, the dead farmers, policemen and miners, the businesses that did work for the government and were never paid, tell that to the kids who have no text books, tell it to the businesses that have no lights, tell it to the old lady that is sitting in her shack waiting for a rdp house, tell it to the poor guy who got an rdp house which is one step above a shack, tell it to the guys who are qualified in differant fields that are now working overseas, and once you have told them all...look in the mirror and tell it to yourself

      tw2066 - 2012-09-14 12:41

      This is like Bothas Rbicon blunder. Funny, certain people wouldn't accept it from him, but it's ok for Zuma. Double standards? No matter how you look at this, Zuma was waaaay out of line. Let's not make excuses for him. Funny thing, on google news two headlines caught my eye, one under the other - the first Zuma saying he wasn't to blame for his release program, and the second Zuma saying he wasn't to blame for Malema. This guy will not take accountability, and this is his problem!

      jellifun - 2012-09-14 15:32

      Perhaps some education *should* be a requirement. He is the PRESIDENT, he has to talk to world powers, he has to talk to the population. He should be able to be clear what he means. In China, members of the Politburo typically begin their careers through grassroots CPC branches and climbed step-by-step through rural administration, Party organization, or propaganda work in inland provinces. Importantly, a very high percentage of them (I heard over 90%) have PhDs. Education should be a prerequisite.

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-09-14 16:37

      I thought that we were effectively leaderless.

      nicolaas.baker - 2012-09-14 19:33

      @Hasani, you call this useless piece of an excuse of a human being a leader! FFS! You must be desperate to be lead by such an idiot. I for once are ashamed to call myself a south african here in another country. This thing nver went to school, so how the hell can he understand educated terms being used in a modern era! He should go back to herding goats! That is what he is not even good at! I will not ever accept a stupid idiot like him to be my leader, you chose him, you deserve this miserable live you having now!

      joyce.beeton - 2012-09-14 20:23

      Maybe we could import one from China? The Marikana mine situation would have been dealt with in a matter of minutes and the protesters would definitely be underground (but not drilling rocks)They would be history!!

  • FeebleGastro - 2012-09-14 11:09

    Democracy - Africa style. Not by far evolved enough for the real McCoy.

  • niel.hauptfleisch - 2012-09-14 11:09

    i thought a democracy is equal rights for all ???? R.I.P. Zuma

      Stephen Loate - 2012-09-14 11:36

      once again the Lonmin has really once again shown that we are a bunch of pretenders when all goes well and put our smiling faces as if we now blacks and whites and working together to build a better country! but hell one can only laugh at us, racism will forever prevail in the mist of things! how did we loose our focus from the shooting and life lost of 44 mine workers to showing our true colours of how much do we hate our ruling party, president, this matter was never even a black or white issue! unless if i have been dreaming! i saw black policeman opening life ammunition to protesting miners who are only asking for what is a living wages! let's just get back to our senses or humanity!!! somewhere somehow we have lost it! we are not going to address anything with this attitude.

      terry.burne - 2012-09-14 11:44

      Not in Africa!

      helizna - 2012-09-14 14:24

      Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner

      Heibrin - 2012-09-14 15:11

      @helizna: with Afrikaners it's more like two wolves and a wolf in sheep's clothing. :-)

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-14 11:10

    That`s what happens when you choose not to stick to the script prepared for you by your party`s spin doctors Zuma - your idiocy comes out in huge amounts for everyone to see for themselves that a former goatherder can never be a president. I'm sure your advisors start cringing wishing a hole could open under their feet and swallow them as soon as they see you putting aside your prepared answers and opening you illiterate mouthto speak off the cuff. What an embarrassment :(

  • Daniel Mah - 2012-09-14 11:11

    damn and I thought I knew what democracy means

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-14 11:12

    Oh hell no you didn't!! I don't care if you take cold showers to rid of aids or marry 20 wives but once you touch me on my rights..im going to get the rocket launchers...

  • tsietsi.mshengu - 2012-09-14 11:13

    Zuma is not aware that he is the president of the Republic of South Africa. He is so ANC inclined. I think the level of his education also plays a role in his stupid gaffes. This man is a master of blunders.

      tsietsi.mshengu - 2012-09-14 11:35

      I'm black, proud of it and not stupid to think along racial lines. I'm very matured to support a fool simply because he's black like me. As for my education I can say a lot, but I won't stoop to your level. You two are an embarrassment to sensible black people.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-14 13:47

      His education would ensure a stable family for the future...at least he wouldn't have to ask the ANC for hand outs..

      hydronamix.airtowater - 2012-09-14 13:56

      Well said Tsietsi..Hope there is more of you..Then we may just survive

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-09-14 16:45

      tsietsi, that IS the trouble, anc leaders think that the anc is greater than South Africa, and that the anc culture over-rides the South African constitution. To them the anc IS South Africa.

      joyce.beeton - 2012-09-14 20:29

      Very well put Tsietsi. Every time Zuma opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. He is an embarrassment to the black people with whom I am acquainted.

      leon.vonsolms - 2012-09-15 08:34

      @tsietsi.mshengu I have respect for you, as a black man, admitting that the president is uneducated and unfit for the position he fills.

  • david.phillips.583234 - 2012-09-14 11:15

    Watch out he's going to start throwing his faeces soon...... I'm embarrassed that this is our president. Do you understand democracy JZ? I doubt very much, here is Bob 2 in the making.

  • harley.quin.334 - 2012-09-14 11:16

    I think it's time to call it what it is: a Zoo-mocracy

  • luke.dekoker - 2012-09-14 11:16

    Surely this clown don't understand democracy! How the hell are we to respect the socalled president of our country (leader of the corrupt anc)Only shows how an ignorant and racist he is to make statements like "minority groups have “less rights”; "workers who did not join the majority union could not expect the same privileges"; "you have less rights because you're a minority" & "that's how democracy works".. Maybe if he has the brain capacity, he should ask SARS to confirm that the Majority of the tax money he loves to abuse comes from the Minority.

      thandokuhle.ntshangase - 2012-09-14 11:26

      Zuma is correct and right whether you like it or not, the majority has the last word, that is why there is voting for any new bill or gov-. Where there is a dispute majority rules. Small parties have consolidated their membership to oust ANC mayors accross the country simple because majority rules. Zuma fully understands this and Im very happy he said it. This whole noise is just some storm in a cup of tea.

      terry.burne - 2012-09-14 11:48

      @thando......whatever - you are as stupid as Zoomer!

      sicelomt - 2012-09-17 23:30

      We must remember that democracy not pareto efficcient. Infact there is no form of governance that is pareto efficient. Most democratical decisions will hurts the minority and benefits the minority. We must remember that Zuma is not an intellectual and we can not expect an intellectual comments from him. But I believe that we do understand the point he was trying to make. So lets not make a fuss out of it. And most democratical principles in SA have not been practised. So I conclude by saying dat our president was correct.

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-14 11:16

    This is the result of having a big headed leader with no brains.. The same attitude is displayed when they say the anc will reign until Jesus comes.. Some are in for a rude awakening..

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-09-14 16:48

      He might not have brains but he has balls - perhaps that's where his brains are.

  • ian.d.samson - 2012-09-14 11:17

    What communist ever understood democracy?

  • deicide - 2012-09-14 11:17

    WHAT HAPPENED TO EQUAL RIGHT FOR ALL????

      yangmanfrom.sawthafriqa - 2012-09-14 11:20

      Is it possible? You got 5children, 4say don't sell the house, 1say sell the house, what you gonna do? Majority!

      hugh.olphart - 2012-09-14 12:11

      wow, your grasp of democracy is astounding. You really must not believe every thing you think, seriously, you're not that clever.

      helizna - 2012-09-14 14:15

      Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner...

  • luke.gray.549668 - 2012-09-14 11:19

    FAIL... JZ deserves a Facepalm for that!

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-14 11:19

    lol - i thought that was funny when i heard him on the news.I think up to the point where he says "it is the majority that prevail" but any other thing then i will have to agree with those that are saying he doesnt understand democracy.

  • tandi.freeman - 2012-09-14 11:19

    It's 'fewer rights'..:-)))

  • ivan.ferreira - 2012-09-14 11:22

    He clearly has no clue what democracy is. Please ANC, you need a well educated and respected leader come December (that's if something like that exist in the ANC).

      Ze Don - 2012-09-14 11:37

      I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you...

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-14 11:22

    They don't follow this rule of democracy that the majority rule at Lonmin. a Small new minority splinter union group are holding the whole mine sector at ransom.

  • Tim Elliott - 2012-09-14 11:23

    Minorities in this idiots view is anyone who is not black or who does not belong to the ANC.Is SA in trouble...you bet!