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Zapiro cartoon vulgar - AfriForum

2012-07-09 22:21

Johannesburg - Zapiro's latest cartoon is a "vulgar portrayal" of President Jacob Zuma, lobby group AfriForum said on Monday.

The cartoon was "a vulgar portrayal of the president [and] unproductive and in poor taste." AfriForum spokesperson Ernst Roets said in a statement.

The cartoon by Jonathan Shapiro depicts an erect penis with a showerhead and legs standing before a mirror with an accompanying limerick about Zuma.

It was published in the Mail & Guardian on Friday.

Roets said the cartoon did not contribute towards finding a solution to South Africa's problems.

"AfriForum is of the opinion that controversial issues in South Africa must be approached constructively and that it does not contribute to finding a solution when other people's cultures are insulted in the process."

Roets said although AfriForum supported freedom of speech and artistic experience, this cartoon called into question the matter of dignity.

He suggested artists "evaluate the possible consequences of their work before displaying it to the public".

On Friday, government called for the removal of the cartoon from the Mail and Guardian website.

Spokesperson Jimmy Manyi said the cartoon was a "defamatory attack" on Zuma's character and violated his rights to dignity as enshrined in the Constitution.

SA Communist Party spokesperson Malesela Maleka called it "B-grade schoolboy lavatory stuff, unworthy of a once talented cartoonist and unworthy of a newspaper that pretends to be serious".

The African National Congress found it " unacceptable and shocking", while its Women's League condemned it.

"The Zapiro cartoons rely on their shock value to make an impact, but calling the president of this great nation a 'dick' is unacceptable..." ANC Women's League spokesperson Troy Martens said.

Responding to criticism of the cartoon, Shapiro said on Friday the public should have the democratic right to be irreverent about leaders, especially those who "display hypocrisy".

"My latest cartoon is meant to be scathing but humorous," he said in an e-mail, issued by his office, to Sapa.

"It's also serious commentary about a seriously flawed, hypocritical leader."

Comments
  • Cassandra Eileen Olivier - 2012-07-09 22:42

    Zuma doesn't meaning of the world dignity, maybe he should start treating the people of this country with respect

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 08:57

      Exactly... respect is earned, and given when it is due... it's not an automatic given that the people respect the president just because he is president. Only medieval monarchs demanded that.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 11:09

      **and by our, i mean all South African's, not just Zulu, Xhosa...

      sabongam - 2012-07-10 12:47

      @ Wesley Bischoff - quick question - if you're talking about being respectful and giving respect where its due, then what does it say about you when you, yourself are disrespectful? Don't get me wrong, Zapiro is a cartooinist and expresses whatever he feels or he criticises the govt by drawing comical illustrations. That is freedom of expression. The Constitution guarantees that right after all. But with his latest drawing it's just down right disrespectful. My point is, practice what you preach. If you find that someone is disrespectful and lacks morals, do you then stoop down to their level by doing the exactly what you're criticising him/her of? Criticise Zuma if you want to - it's your right -but to start drawing naked pictures of him with an erect penis?It's just tasteless. In fact, what does it say about your own morals and levels of respect that you were supposedly taught by your parents?

      dumisiledee - 2012-07-11 07:45

      Sabongam wisest words I've ever read on this blog. Thanks for this comment even though some might not agree with you

  • Smell - 2012-07-09 23:06

    Well done Afriforum.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 08:58

      Clearly you are one of the sheep in denial, Mphozana

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-07-10 11:33

      i applaud Afriforum for their robust commentary on this issue, and must say, the DA's silence is deafening

  • Lunga - 2012-07-09 23:11

    AfriForum agrees with the ANC... And in other news, Julius Malema joins the DA.

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-07-10 08:59

      Very good!

      Richard - 2012-07-10 19:26

      lol, Lunga, I also re-read the article... Very well done Afriforum, a very mature nation building approach.... Although freedom of speech largely untested in South African law without a solid framework for what constitutes acceptable freedom of speech, I am a firm supporter of freedom of expression. I generally love Zapiro satire, but this cartoon maybe a little over the top with little redeeming satirical value... But, that's just my opinion, and others are free to differ, of course.

      dumisiledee - 2012-07-11 07:46

      hahhahhahahhahhaha

  • jacob.molife - 2012-07-09 23:40

    Afriforum thats maturity. Give thz guys da rainbow colours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • bernpm - 2012-07-10 00:14

    A little late with your comment, arent you???

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-07-10 00:16

    Yes it is vulgar, but it reflects the lack of respect with which the president is viewed by so many. It may have seemed very macho and masculine that he is a womanizer and has fathered children hither and yon - but it is all viewed as being improper Behaviour for the president of our country. If Zuma just ignores this and takes it in the spirit in which it is intended - it'll go a long way to making it go away - and it may even not come back - unless of course new wives or new babies again become newsworthy items.

      merven.halo - 2012-07-10 07:25

      Funny, I don't see any mistakes that Zuma made, only pre planned moves and motives.

  • diaan.robbertse - 2012-07-10 01:14

    Its easy to critisize the messenger . WHERE does Zapiro's inspiration come from ?? Zapiro didnt made this countrya a lauging stock , Zuma did. Mbeki and Mandela were gentlemen and never inspired something like this . Zapiro is just reflecting the ugly sad truth of the state of this country

      Bless Boswell - 2012-07-10 09:12

      Exactly correct!

  • Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-07-10 01:37

    Brilliant Shapiro a true reflection of Zuma's character, the only way to beat these guys, is to use there tactics.

      dumisiledee - 2012-07-11 07:48

      the Shapiro is as disrespectful and lacks morals as Zuma then.

  • nico.eksteen.7 - 2012-07-10 03:41

    There are better ways to portrait the weaknesses of the president than drawing a penis. It`s in bad taste.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 09:20

      What's wrong with penis? I suppose you are one of those conservative types that is offended by natural sexuality. It's just a cock. Every man on the planet has one. Get over it.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-07-10 18:24

      I had 3 cocks at a stage, I killed them all because they crowed right through the night. Now I only have hens. Not many, because the cocks used to protect them from predators. Not everything about cocks is bad.

      martyn.duplessis.9 - 2012-07-10 23:53

      I agree with you Nico, it is in poor taste, especially directed to the President of the country. What type of leader he may be, whether a poor one or good one, does not matter, you just don`t draw something like that and put a name to it. Good for you Afriform you did the right thing.

  • Matjeutjeu Boshigo - 2012-07-10 04:39

    Funny Part is dat Zapiro also has de very same thing He drew So Big ups 2 him !

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 09:22

      Exactly!!! I have, you have, half the population has one, so what is the issue? Does Zumba have a special one? Is it privileged?

  • mak.manaka - 2012-07-10 04:39

    how does this solve the issue of free basic education, poor service delivery and xenophobic behaviors in the country? we are losing focus on important issues, what are we teaching our children, that it is ok for them to draw genitals of their parents? granted, the president's reputation is shaky but he is someones father. there are other ways of articulating the man's presidency than just to insult him as a man.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-10 10:13

      Irvin Khoza was also "just a father" until his buddy(JZ) impregnated his daughter and now Irvin Khoza is a Grandfather, how would you like it if one of your buddies, in your age group made your daughter pregnant? I know for my part fury would be an understatement!!!

      Neven.Subrayal - 2012-07-10 12:12

      When did it become Zapiro's job to solve the issue of free basic education, poor service delivery and xenophobic behaviors in the country? His job is to entertain. Maybe Zuma and Zapiro should switch jobs as we sure do get a lot more entertainment, anger and frustration from Zuma.

  • riaan.jonker.50 - 2012-07-10 04:58

    I could not but laugh when this story flashed over my browser. Zapiro is stomping quite hard on this one, and is proving a point. A very hard point that many people fail to understand. Freedom of Speech has a flip-side; you can choose what to pay attention too!

  • Ian - 2012-07-10 06:06

    oh damn, I uusually supported afriforum on their views but now they have spoken like a real nat kerk dominee who wants to censor everything, Go Away

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 09:23

      Agreed. Censorship is the first step to communism.

      mariaan.bester.50 - 2012-07-10 12:45

      Afriforum, who do you want to impress ?

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-10 15:23

      Buttkissing at it's best Ian, couldn't be more disappointed in them.

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-07-10 06:13

    Jimmy you prick..Zuma entitled to dignity ! The man has no dignity..how can he shag his buddy's daughter when married to 6 wives less 2 has 20 plus legitimate and untold illigitimate children?? And be dignified?? Wake up you dumb sh*t!!

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-10 10:17

      Especially when that daughter in question is the same age, or even younger than his own daughters.

  • JKSed - 2012-07-10 06:15

    It is heartening to realize that Afriforum took this position amid political differences. Such commonsense will assist to make us find each other as human beings. None of us are animals. You can hate the man but such shere vulgar depiction was really very unnecessary and will bring us nothing but bitter divisions.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-07-10 06:52

      Common Sense, I like. What u said is no rocket science, but pure common sense. One that the likes of Mr Shapiro still lack even in old age. Well done Afri Forum.

  • Marshall Ross - 2012-07-10 07:16

    Matshane T matshane you are a total f'ing wanker. Go screw yourself you halfwhit

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-07-10 07:18

    A vulgar cartoon depicting a vulgar person - so what's the problem.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-10 15:43

      That's what I am battling to figure out Don.

  • Sean Wasserman - 2012-07-10 07:28

    Perhaps Zapiro should have depicted our noble President Zuma as the righteous choir boy that the ANC believes he is; with the spear, shower head and justice shut in a closet. Zapiro would have then been criticized not for his vulgar drawing, but for his vulgar fib.

  • Eddie - 2012-07-10 07:30

    Could not agree more. Fight him on his policies but stop these personal attacks. As i said before, if he has run out of ideas should Zapiro not focus his energy now on Israel's apartheid style policy towards Palestinian people.

      Marco - 2012-07-10 07:46

      you hypocritical d00s

      jakes.cakedregs - 2012-07-10 07:57

      Well said, Eddie. Well said. Don't take notice of marcususername. He does not think - he only knows how to insult people, in the manner as Shapiro.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-10 10:23

      What has this got to do with the state of affairs in SA? No Offense dude,just wondering?

  • Marco - 2012-07-10 07:37

    if insulting zuma would make him go away it would have worked already. so why stir pointlessly? AF is perfectly correct. funny how theses boere understand the culture more than the liberals aint it?

  • arie.g.potgieter - 2012-07-10 08:03

    Two wrongs, does not make a right! Zuma remains the president until his term ends and his position needs to be respected. I did not vote for him and shall never, but he is our president.

      Johan - 2012-07-10 09:45

      arie...the person that holds the position needs to respect the position first. If he that holds the position does not respect it how can you ask of anybody to do so.

      Malcolm - 2012-07-10 12:34

      His position needs to be respected? Why? Please back your assertion up with some facts or logic? I see no reason to respect this scumbag, none whatsoever. If he wants to be president then he must be worthy of it, that he is not getting respect is an indication that he should be fired, not that others should be forced to do his bidding. Your assertion makes it clear that you completely misunderstand democracy and that you are all to happy to be dictated to. That you are not alone in this misguided way of thinking does not bode well for this country. It looks like the brain washing effects applied by the NP (and now continued by the ANC) to its voters will continue to hold the country back for a long time to come. Please wake up...

      Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-07-10 12:35

      You have got balls and brains. I also never voted for him,and never will. He was voted into power by the majority,and since we are a democratic state lets respect that. I am a law-abiding citizen,i have lost all my cases before the south african courts. I lost not because i was wrong, i lost them because i didnot have money to pay attornies to defend me. That said i will never say lets disrespect those that are administering our justice system. Zuma is the president, flawed or not.

      Johan - 2012-07-10 19:42

      @Thobile....Lost all your cases before the SA Courts...law-abing citzen?? mmmmmm ok Zuma is one too...He just never had a day in court to prove it.... If he is the president let him act like the president. If you do not stop him and his corruption or do not speak against it you are as guilty of corruption as he is

  • john.lonsdale.5 - 2012-07-10 08:04

    I do agree with all the comments about our Great leader Kim Yum Zuma?? But I encourage my children to read papers, and although adult in taste, I'm not to keen on exposing my kids to cartoon porn? Just saying, there is a limit to taste and sensibilities.

      Tishan - 2012-07-10 10:21

      for once a sensilble comment.. personal views aside.. how do you allow your kids to look at pictures like this and then explain to them why or what is the meaning of this. we tell our kids to respect our elders and yet we do the total apposite. live my example

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-10 20:48

      I suppose you would see nothing wrong with Zuma befriending you only to later hump one of your kids and impregnate her right? You will still hold the same views? You are really special

  • Harald - 2012-07-10 08:05

    If Zuma walks like a duck, talks like a duck, acts like a duck... then he must be a duck!!?? right

  • wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-07-10 08:11

    Wow!! For the first time in many moons Afriforum speaks sense.. What went wrong? Are they finally seeing the blue light? Welcome to Africa, or rather i should say welcome home.

  • Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-07-10 08:13

    zapiro becoming a legend in some circles wish him the best with fighting this evil viva freedom of speech Zooomaa ronald manyi all a bunch of corrupt idiotic thieves

  • johleneh - 2012-07-10 08:25

    Seems like most News24 readers just do not understand the principle of freedom of speech. Sad, really.

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-10 09:17

      You got my vote .... sadly, many do not understand the concept of free speech. If they did, we would not be plagued by so much despotic mania in this world.

      KhaphelaTZ - 2012-07-10 12:37

      Do you understand the right to dignity which is enshrined in the constitution?

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-07-10 12:48

      KhapelaTZ - The funny thing about rights is that if you don't exercise them they go away. Dignity is not something that other people can give to zuma, it is something that zuma himself needs to have, much like how students cannot be expected to be given an education if they are not willing to learn. If zuma is not willing to have dignity (which clearly he is not) then how can he expect others to respect that which he does not have?

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 08:54

    It's a cartoon!! Since when is a satirical cartoon supposed to fix all the problems of this country?

      thabo.shaku - 2012-07-10 10:17

      Here-here Wes!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 11:11

      Thanks Thabo :)

  • BulletProof. - 2012-07-10 09:00

    Does Afriforum is under the wing of ANC already?

  • Gill McCain - 2012-07-10 09:40

    Well I for one thought the cartoon was spot on. He is a big knob in my view - nothing more and nothing less.

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-07-10 12:49

      Personally as a man I am outraged that my private parts would be compared to something as vile and disgusting as a zuma ;)

  • vlarismam - 2012-07-10 10:01

    Zapiro my hero!

  • Ditantane - 2012-07-10 10:32

    am i dreaming or what

  • firstseed.mbeva.9 - 2012-07-10 11:32

    Zapiro hates JZ but he does not have to go this far

  • langa.kumalo - 2012-07-10 11:37

    80% of White people here are racist and disrespectful. Maybe the ANC should stop defending your race and let the young lions take over (ANCYL). Then you will have something to complain about!!

      jacobs.clint - 2012-07-10 13:41

      And 90% of black people are xenophobic and morally deficit(see i can generalise too). The ANC has never defended my race quite the opposite really. The young lions couldn't find crap in a crap storm let alone run a country. I already have something to complain about and it's idiots like you.

  • robyne.peel.9 - 2012-07-10 12:15

    having a president that thinks that by taking a shower will wash him clean of HIV/AIDS....that's pretty vulgar.

  • KhaphelaTZ - 2012-07-10 12:33

    By reading all these comments all i can say is we as a country are in serious trouble. Its is enshrined in the constitution that we all have dignity, from the serial rapist who is in jail to the innocent child sleeping peacefully in his cot. I take acception to Zapiro's cartoon as it does not focus on our current affairs. Lets face it the spear is last months news. He rather chooses to call Zuma a "dick" for execersing his rights by approaching the courts re the spear. Why does Zapiro not comment on the school book saga in Limpopo or other topic issues. Was this cartoon really neccessary in light of the Spear saga? does it is add anything further to the debate around freedom of expression? People must not pick and choose which constitutional rights they want to protect. Fight for the right to freedom of expression, but fight equally for the right tp human dignity. If what is written on these forums represents the views of the general SA public then we are a country are doomed and will never realise out full potential. PS: Zapiro enough about Zuma already, let discuss serios issues affecting our country!!!!!

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-07-10 12:51

      "PS: Zapiro enough about Zuma already, let discuss serios issues affecting our country!!!!! " Our president is an incompetent thief that nobody respects, sounds like a pretty serious issue affecting our country to me.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-10 20:18

      Zuma's behaviour ~ womanising ~ is disgusting, especially for a President of a country ravaged by Aids. Zapiro has merely expressed his disgust. Well done Zapiro! This will hopefully make Zuma think twice and use his head, not his manhood

      sharon.tarin1 - 2012-07-11 12:58

      What???? Serial rapists have the right to dignity!!! Don't infuriate me. Suppose their victims also have the right to dignity. Man, this is a sick thing to say. And yes sunshine, Zuma got to court on that one pretty quickly, while murder trials take years to reach the courts.

  • bheki.khumalo.58 - 2012-07-10 12:51

    I fully agree with afriforum. Freedom of speech and artistic work should always be encouraged in a democratic society, but insulting or de-humanising someone in expressing your view is unacceptable. I'm sure all of us will agree that such mindless expressions don't contribute anything in uniting our societies, stop farm-killings,rape, robbery, corruption, etc.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-10 20:11

      Mntungwa, I for one hope Zuma will stop his mindless sleeping around and baby-making at the expense of the taxpayer in the name of culture. The “mindless expressions” by artists will also hopefully stop. The ball is Zuma's court

  • KhaphelaTZ - 2012-07-10 14:19

    Malcom, your comment re rights going away if they are not execised is without substances. By virtue of being human you have rights that the constitution enshrines upon you. Read section 36 of the Constitution. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO EARN THE RIGHT TO DIGNITY!! People on this forum must understand that we are not talking about respect, that is earned. It could be argued that the office of the president should be respected!

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-07-10 14:50

      Incorrect. I have the right to privacy but if I make my house out of glass with no walls I cannot expect others to be blinded so that my right can still be exercised, no I wave my right through my actions. I have the right to life, but if I choose to commit suicide or endanger myself I can't expect others to be forced to stop me. I have the right to freedom of expression, but I cannot expect that if I don't express myself others will do it for me. I have the right to seek employment, but if I do not actively seek it myself I cannot expect that it will just fall into my lap. I have the right to housing, but if I deliberately burn the one I have down I cannot expect that somebody else should be forced to build me a new one. I have the right to education but should I not be willing to do the learning myself I certainly can't expect that somebody else will do it for me. I have the right to dignity and respect, but if I go around making a fool of myself, and tarnishing my own dignity I certainly can't expect that people will continue to respect me. I'm sorry but you are wrong. Rights are not absolute and not limitless and in fact if a person chooses not to exercise them they go away completely. Furthermore all rights come with responsibilities and if you are not prepared to live up to the responsibilities you cannot expect to have the rights. It is because of this general lack of understanding regarding responsibilities that as you put it "this country is doomed"

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-10 20:06

      Khapela, what Malcom is saying in short is that Zuma has waived and lost his right to dignity when he started behaving like a dick-tator. He cannot disrespect himself by sleeping around and at the same time expect others to respect him. The right to dignity is inherent to any human being as long as they uphold their dignity and ALWAYS conduct themselves in a dignified manner.

  • alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-10 15:20

    Really now, a president that doesnt give two flying farts about SA? needs our respect............LOL

  • mzi.magwaza - 2012-07-10 18:12

    Hey am not malema fan but now i mic him

  • teddy.beer.319 - 2012-07-11 04:13

    Zapiro's hatred stems from a belief that the ANC hates his homeland Israel. By calling for a boycott of Israeli products, Zapiro is miffed!

  • timothy.moyo1 - 2012-07-11 05:36

    Zapiro has stopped being relevant. You can not be Euro-centric in an African society. He finds humor in African cultural taboos, hence he has become a social deviant and behaves like a delinquent child. He does not appreciate the mere fact that he is offending our culture as Africans. We do not make jokes about private parts in African societies, that is done when some one wants to pick a fight with dire consequences, its a life and limb situation. I implore him to be sociologically literate so that he can appreciate the deep injuries he is inflicting on us as a black race by his inept and provocative actions. It is tantamount to a race war what he is engaging on than a moral debate. I suggest that he should study the cultures of the African ethnic race so that he can communicate constructively in future. Currently there is more harm created by his work than good.

  • sharon.tarin1 - 2012-07-11 12:44

    Zapiro has always been a brilliant and he's a genius where it comes to satire. It's time that these guys all lighten up and have a laugh at themselves. Everything is labelled a slur and everything seen in the most serious light. So much valuable political time spent on worrying about things that they should be smiling at and not attending to the things that are a matter of urgency.

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