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Zille blames violence on Cosatu

2012-05-15 15:39

Johannesburg - Police fired teargas during clashes on Tuesday between the Democratic Alliance and Cosatu union in Johannesburg, an AFP photographer said.

Footage on eNews television showed DA crowds marching and singing with raised fists. Some carried placards calling for "Youth wage subsidy now".

Clashes broke out when they were met in the streets by supporters of Cosatu.

DA leader Helen Zille, who led the march, blamed Cosatu for the violence.

"It was terrible. They didn't have permission to march and they used violence to disperse our march," Zille told AFP.

Both sides wounded

Police fired teargas at Cosatu supporters, dressed in red T-shirts, as they blocked off the DA marchers.

Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven said the union "regretted the fact that there was an element of violence", but pointed out that supporters of both groups had been wounded.

The DA "have every right to march, but we see little point in a march" that is "provocative", Craven told AFP as protesters chanted around him.

The DA was marching to demand government wage subsidies for young people, which the party says will create over 400 000 jobs.

Cosatu opposes the subsidy.

Unemployment for 15-24 year-olds topped 50%, or more than 1.32 million people, in the third quarter of 2011, said the SA Institute of Race Relations, counting only people actively looking for work.


Comments
  • Jacobus - 2012-05-15 15:44

    Cosatu demonstrated today that they have NO interest in the general good of mankind. They should lose their members right now. People should resign from Cosatu RIGHT NOW.

      Lorain - 2012-05-15 15:46

      Again n i'm not a DA supporter but I am a supporter of our constitution which clearly states that everyone has the right to march, so the DA had a right to march.

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-15 15:49

      I was happy to see whites in the protest today, instead of living blacks to do the dirty work for them. The future looks good.

      Henri - 2012-05-15 15:50

      if this happened 20 years ago there wouldve been a international outcry, today, its like i told you so and becomes a cat fight>

      deabreu - 2012-05-15 15:50

      I say that ALL employers who have missing COSATU members today ask were they were, and take decisive action (in firing them!!). The scum doesn't deserve a job.

      Smili - 2012-05-15 15:52

      COSATU LEADERS ARE OPOSED TO YOUTH EMPLOYMENT and ECONOMIC FREEDOM> They showed this when they opposed the DA's march! Cosatu used violence against Democratic Alliance members, as the prompted the Cosatu members to attack DA members! COSATU LEADERS -VAVI INCLUDED- MUST BE PROSECUTED!

      NrGx - 2012-05-15 15:54

      I am actually furious at this horrific display of arrogance and total mob mentality by COSATU. In fact my blood is boiling after seeing the front page pic. The world should see this, they should see exactly who and what the anc and affiliates really are. this is no rainbow nation, we do not have a true democracy, if the world cried against apartheid, surely this should be seen in the same light. SPREAD THE WORD WORLDWIDE I have had ENOUGH of these savages!!

      Johan - 2012-05-15 15:54

      Poloyatonki - South Africans need to wake up and fight together for a better living for all. We must forget about race and unite in our goals to improve the country. Well done to the DA for making a united stand.

      NrGx - 2012-05-15 15:55

      on on top of it all, the DA protest was to benefit them. This in itself just displays that the anc and affiliates are RACISTS and wish to promote violence to end any opposition.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-15 16:02

      All people and parties have a right to protest peacefully. This violent tripartite alliance partner, Cosatu, brought unneccessary violence to the march today. The DA did not throw rocks at themselves. No Cosatu antagonism = no violence. COSATU IS TO BLAME !

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-15 16:12

      Andrew.. I dont think whites were targeted is just that blacks know how to get down when rocks are flying..

      Atholl - 2012-05-15 16:15

      COSATU 0 - Bill of Rights 100 This is Cosatu showing themselves as a Threat to the Bill of Rights. ... not Cosatu vs DA (or the youth) Bill of Rights : S 23 - the Right to Strike S 17 - Right to demonstrate S 16 - Freedom of Expression S 19 - Protest for a cause S 12 - Security S 9 - Equality Equal protection from the law S 21 - Freedom of movement The Bill of Rights applies when it is convenient [ right to strike ] and it applies when it's inconvenient. The Bill of Rights is not a Game.

      Bryan - 2012-05-15 16:16

      Patrick Craven said the march was 'provovative'... How is that Mr Craven?? That has to be the most arrogant and blatantly racist comment I have heard in ages!! Your ego has clearly blinded any judgment you may have previously possesed!!!!!!!!

      Bryan - 2012-05-15 16:16

      'Provocative'.. sorry

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-15 16:20

      This media sucks, they only show us one side of the story. What about the injured Cosatu members...

      Jack - 2012-05-15 16:22

      @Andrew - selective journalism - though they did actually manage to report earlier that both sides threw bricks - and even went so far as to say that it wasn't clear who had thrown the first stone! I'm pretty sure that this would have led to injuries on both sides of the racial line, but I think that pics of white people suffering gets more attention and once again demonstrates the right wing nature of this media source...

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-15 16:26

      NrGx, this is still the rainbow nation!!! its just a little obscure...thats all...all the colours have combined to form black

      Andre - 2012-05-15 16:27

      Cosatu have proven today without a shadow of doubt that they know NOTHING about democracy. That, of course, goes for the ANC as well!

      Comrade - 2012-05-15 18:57

      Does the DA have interest of the black majority.or are they being opportunistic ?VIVA COSATU

      Denise - 2012-05-17 15:13

      Nevertheless, Mêddem Zille had the guts to go up against the Cosatu scoundrels. I cannot agree with the reason for her march. A socialist wage subsidy for the youth. But I suppose if you want the black vote to get to power you have to preach no work and lots of “free” money… It obviously depends on whether you believe that SA is a democracy and that you can replace the ANC with a vote. As comrade Stalin used to say: "You know, comrades, what I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how" …as long as the ANC’s counts the votes… what is the DA going to do about it? Castro Ngobese, National Spokesperson of Cosatu who calls the DA “agents of imperialism” and “chief spokespersons of white monopoly capital” said that there will be no DA marches allowed anywhere in the country. Once again we see how the Troika is only interested in “Democracy” when THEY can rule. Nevertheless, the DA exercised their constitutional right to protest legally and unarmed. Cosatu arrived uninvited, unconstitutionally and illegally, armed with sticks, sjamboks, rocks and tazer guns.

  • Ally - 2012-05-15 15:44

    Typical bloody Cosatu idiots. They rampage when they organise a march and they turn nasty when someone else organises a march. Cosatu just hates being upstaged and out-marched at it's own game!!

      Msika - 2012-05-15 16:23

      If someone were to come and make some horible noise at your door step, Would you tolerate it?

      Peter - 2012-05-15 16:36

      @Msika - So why must everyone else tolerate it when Cosatu blocks entire streets and vandalizes everything in their path? Please take your double standards and shove them

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-05-15 17:06

      Next time COSATU marches the police can fire crowd control measures as they were "provocative" (according to Craven).

      Mo - 2012-05-15 17:13

      But Msika, if someone makes a horrible noise at your doorstep, do I have the right then to violently attack them? So if drunk people walk shouting again past my house in the middle of the night, I am allowed to throw bricks at them, you say. You reason like a 5 year old...

  • Johan - 2012-05-15 15:44

    Of course it was COSATU. They have no respect for democracy! Hope this blows up in their faces!

      Byron - 2012-05-15 16:03

      "Marchers of the DA, angered by youth unemployment, threw stones and bricks, wounding bystanders and damaging cars, as hundreds of them marched on the Cosatu's head office." - look its all fine and well to support blindly a la anc supporter but at least read with one eye open

      Johan - 2012-05-15 16:07

      I am not sure that those facts are correct. From what I have heard Cosatu met them in Jorrisen street and started the confrontation.

      Johan - 2012-05-15 16:15

      Andrea van Wyk on 702, just confirmed on 702 - That it was indeed COSATU that started throwing rocks, attacking with teazer guns and rocks. They were overwhelmed and she saw one or two DA members picking up rocks, but the DA called for calm and peace, so the DA did not retaliate. And retreated. Verbatim from an eyewitness.

      Marion - 2012-05-15 16:26

      @Byron - what is the source of that information?

      Phillip - 2012-05-15 16:44

      Johan, this march was not necessary, what happened to our round the table discussion? DA has no leadership, if this was meant for attention its wrong. If this was meant deviate attention from the WCape corruption report its 10times wrong. DA needs leadership!!! I am very angry

      Marion - 2012-05-15 16:53

      @Phillip - I presume you mean NEDLAC which is not managing to negotiate anything in respect of the youth wage subsidy. Insofar as corruption report goes, you are jumping the gun as much as Helen did. There is no mention of corruption in that preliminary report.

      Byron - 2012-05-15 18:19

      @Marion - My source is AFP - you can google "Marchers of the DA, angered by youth unemployment" or I'll find the link quickly

      Byron - 2012-05-15 18:20

      Ok found the link http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iaS3XGDepnpJEGDehKQgOebwsDFw?docId=CNG.6d3abb908ea626c0de6d807d92412441.371

      Byron - 2012-05-15 18:28

      @JohanLombard and i just spoke to Sibusiso who got back from the rally and he says the DA supporters started throwing stones first. He said it, so it must be true, right? From an eyewitness...

      Jo - 2012-05-15 20:28

      @Byron, I went to that "site", who the hell wrote that, I'm calling BS. I can create the same "site" in two seconds, will you believe me too? Naive...

      Byron - 2012-05-15 21:31

      @Jo - actually if you weren't that lazy, you would have read that it was published by AFP. If you don't know who/what AFP is, I suggest google as your friend. Alexander Joe for AFP took the photograph accompanying the article which was syndicated to news24 before they realized what a bad picture it painted and then hastily removed. Oh, I'd love to see you whip up a "site" like that in 2 secs - oh and don't forget to prefix it with www.google.com/hostednews/... looking forward to your show of greatness in that regard .. oh and while you at it, here's a site you could maybe base yours on http://www.rnw.nl/ as in http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/police-fire-teargas-safrica-opposition-march Waiting patiently for your site launch ... holding thumbs - Byron

      Byron - 2012-05-15 21:35

      @Jo - actually if you weren't that lazy, you would have read that it was published by AFP. If you don't know who/what AFP is, I suggest google as your friend. Alexander Joe for AFP took the photograph accompanying the article which was syndicated to news24 before they realized what a bad picture it painted and then hastily removed. Oh, I'd love to see you whip up a "site" like that in 2 secs - oh and don't forget to prefix it with www.google.com/hostednews/... looking forward to your show of greatness in that regard .. oh and while you at it, here's a site you could maybe base yours on http://www.rnw.nl/ as in http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/police-fire-teargas-safrica-opposition-march Waiting patiently for your site launch ... holding thumbs - Byron

  • ludlowdj - 2012-05-15 15:45

    I love the fact that Cosatu has played its hand this way, it has set a precedent and must accept that going forward the people have an unquestioning right to intimidate and if need be attack Cosatu members during their protests. Tit for Tat is a great game especially when you have the upper hand.

  • Chantelle - 2012-05-15 15:46

    Helen Zille, what did you expect to happen? You send the DA Youth to the head office of Cosatu who has a reputation of destroying everything and anything around them?

      fishycraig - 2012-05-15 16:27

      Better to just sit back and let cosatu bully this nation and its people? No, we have to stand up to these bully tactics - they only way they will learn. P.S. Delete "they will learn". I am positive that that will not happen.

      Dee - 2012-05-15 16:36

      Chantelle - Helen Zille never let fear stop her take a stand against even the brutality of Nat Govt heavy hand on protests. This was a legally planned and approved march. Give the woman credit for MORAL FIBRE.

      pws69 - 2012-05-15 20:00

      Evil prevails when good people do nothing. Mmmmm.

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2012-05-15 15:46

    There was no need for violence... Non at all... It doesn't matter if COSATU found the march "provocative", there is no excuse for violence like that, its hypocrisy at the highest level. May the rights and interests of the PEOPLE of South Africa prevail, and not the agenda of the politicking elite. Much love my brothers and sisters!

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:27

      COSATU acted like little kids throwing tantrums

      Jack - 2012-05-15 16:33

      BOTH sides threw stones!!! This very website even stated that it wasn't clear who started the violence! That you are now able to blame one side simply displays your own prejudice...

      Byron - 2012-05-15 18:44

      @JackBlack - Naspers removed the syndicated story sourced from AFP stating that DA supporters threw stones so it never happened. Fortunately, the internet never forgets so you can still find the syndicated AFP article implicating DA supporters as well. Unfortunately, sheep will always be sheep and follow their shepherd blindly

  • Poloyatonki - 2012-05-15 15:47

    Yeah Right Madam, who would have thought u wont blame it on COSATU.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-15 16:00

      All the time its ANC,its COSATU,its this....DA never takes responsibility #Power to the people

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:12

      Well now, Who would you blame this on Poly?

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-15 16:23

      eil33nn.. obviously Zille, she is the one who started the whole thing.

      Banele - 2012-05-15 16:38

      Yes- nothign is ever the madam's fault- I bet she will argue she did not provoke Cosatu by marching to its offices. Serves them right. Cosatu did the right thing, the DA thinks they are anywhere close to being SA'a legitimate government, they are not. And they will not run this country like they and their forefathers did during apartheid. She had it coming.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:46

      FOR FIGHTING FOR OUR YOUTH! TO HELP 400 000 PEOPLE BRING HOME SOME FORM OF SALARY???? HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU, YOU TROLL!!!!!

      Marion - 2012-05-15 16:47

      @Banele - and I guess you will still feel that way when your kids one day cannot find employment due to lack of skills and experience.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:48

      @Banele...Seriously? You say violence against protestors opposing your point of view is wrong... Well I'll be getting my freak on, the next time I hear there is a march and go and STONE innocent protestors!

      Banele - 2012-05-15 17:10

      Marion- what i am saying is that DA's match to Cosatu is misplaced, they should have rather matched to JSE where the people who are suppossed to be creating jobs are not doing so. It is clear that white business has made sure that BEE targets are never met, that they outsource people from their Australia and germany as oppossed to growing SA's skill base. This is deliberate and Cosatu has nothing to do with the unwillingness of companies to hire youth.

  • Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-05-15 15:47

    I wonder where did the DA found those refugees who helped them with the march.Refugees are playing a significant role in the DA,its proven.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-15 15:50

      Are you normally dumb or just on News24?

      Jacobus - 2012-05-15 15:51

      YOUR government are importing refugees to take YOUR jobs. Stop wondering. Wake up.

      Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-05-15 15:55

      Stupid replies indeed.They dont deserve any response.

      Johan - 2012-05-15 15:59

      It was quite a stupid comment to start off with Bra. You stated that refugees play a significant role in the DA. Please elaborate? I need some more proof than your word for it. To be Frank, I have never heard about this!

      Kala - 2012-05-15 15:59

      Stupid comment to start off with.

      Willem - 2012-05-15 16:03

      Tebzaah, refugees are people too and they also deserve to have a voice. If the DA is willing to give them a voice, then good for the DA

      thabani.alfred - 2012-05-15 16:10

      I wonder too Tebza,maybe they were promised a green card to Cape Town...lol..

      maluta.hector - 2012-05-15 16:17

      Zille brought refugees from Cape Town.

      robqb - 2012-05-15 16:31

      Please! Get up, you're sitting on what should be brains and also talking through it!

      Mo - 2012-05-15 17:15

      Another child on the site Bra, you apparently also reason like a child. Shame

  • Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-15 15:48

    Blame game, supporters from both sides were attacking.#Pathentic #Power to the people

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-15 15:51

      Bottom line, COSATU were there illegally. Not only are they thugs and criminals but have no respect for laws and democracy. Finish and Klaar. Thanks for playing. Case closed.

      Smili - 2012-05-15 15:56

      Tsotsi-Baby DO YOU LIKE MY NEW PICTURE! LOLOLOLOLOL DUMB TROLL!

      Kala - 2012-05-15 16:00

      Vanish Naidoo vanish

      Peter - 2012-05-15 16:01

      @Tsotsi-Baby - If your going to troll at least do us a favor and learn how to spell. "Pathentic" is not a word you stupid troll

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-15 16:14

      @Peter you know we ANC supporters are uneducated. #Power to the people

      Peter - 2012-05-15 16:22

      @Tsotsi-Baby - You are uneducated, dont bring anyone else into this. You are a troll go away no one cares about u

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:29

      Wow Tsotsi, how can we argue with you if you can openly admit that YOU (the individual) are uneducated. Get off our forums.

      Marion - 2012-05-15 16:31

      @Tsotsi-Baby - how many profiles exactly do you post under? QM

  • EndTheFear - 2012-05-15 15:49

    COSATU s barbaric behaviour and continious failure to engage democratically on an intellectual level is frightening when you consider these people hold key positions in our politics.Im afraid the likes of Vavi sometimes do not bother to look at the bigger picture,such as how a simple service strike turns into a jungle Cosatu Rock Concert reflects very negatively on the country at large.We need to unite and say no to this kind of repulsive barbarism.

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-05-15 15:49

    This is the present state of our Rainbow nation, when you dont agree turn violent. Craven says this was a provocative march just because he sees a one sided point of view. COSATU you are not the only members of our society.

      Marion - 2012-05-15 16:34

      @andrew - probably one of the saddest things about the COSATU members who participated in confronting the DA today is the fact that most of them will have at least one child who will probably never get a job for lack of experience and skills.

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-05-15 15:49

    I think it's fair to say that Cosatu have hit rock bottom...

      Willem - 2012-05-15 16:05

      LOL well put

      John - 2012-05-15 16:14

      Actually the DA got hit by the rocks so your comment should read DA hit rock bottom...

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:14

      And again I say, Gcwabe-KaMavovo for president!

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-05-15 15:52

    The DA "have every right to march, but we see little point in a march" that is "provocative", Craven told AFP as protesters chanted around him. Screw you old man, you don't get to decide who can march or not. COSATU is not a political party nor do they make decisions for GVT.

  • Fanie - 2012-05-15 15:52

    Zille should be blamed ass well, using unemployed angry youth is actually a trick perfected by Juluis Malema. What did she think, using this trick to steel ANC/Cosatu/SACP members will not get an angry response? Though give her credit for taking the initiative on this one. The rulers of this land will long regret not using this ploy to get voters for the next election.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-15 16:10

      Zille may have used unemployed people but that was the whole point of the march...*sigh* Has common sense left this planet?

      Heiku - 2012-05-15 16:11

      You're probably 100% right about the rent a crowd thing, but it was a legal march. It doesn't matter if the participants were rentals.

  • Bheki Nas - 2012-05-15 15:55

    DA marched to the wrong place...not so perfect timing,..wat were u expecting?..u shuld hav marched to the union building,.

      Dee - 2012-05-15 16:04

      Why the Union building? The Youth Subsidy is an ANC proposal....... why complain to the government officals who SUPPORT the topic. It is COSATU who are blocking the youth job creation - not ANC. And let us not forget that it was never the perfect time or place when Hellen Zille and people opposing Nat govt tried to peacefully march.

      Harald - 2012-05-15 16:13

      perhaps... but why would Cosatu have a problem with them marching where ever they want... they do. and its their democratic right to. Its just so very very very hipocritical of Cosatu to have a problem with it. I have lost alot of repect for them today, and I quite liked Vavi...

      Fanie - 2012-05-15 16:30

      Bheki, perhaps you are still in the dark about the end destination of this march and why, perhaps you should get behind the story before leaving a stupid comment. Cosatu is the party against the Youth Subsidy, do you need further guidance?

      Stack - 2012-05-15 16:32

      this is a government ANC policy which the DA agree with, yet COSATU disagrees with, which is why they were marching to COSATU house. You really should get all the information before you make such comments

  • John - 2012-05-15 15:58

    Patrick Craven said the union "regretted the fact that there was an element of violence", but pointed out that supporters of both groups had been wounded. no mr craven your members are thugs and gangsters, the da was in their full right as they had permission and your bunch gate crashed the party,hope the da presses charges here and give the anc and cosato one up the bum.

  • ngonimclean - 2012-05-15 15:59

    Where were all the white DA supporters who usually comment on this forum? Marching on their bb's and iPhones!Hypocrites!

      Johan - 2012-05-15 16:04

      working!

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-15 16:07

      A crowd of people in Africa... Mostly black faces.... And you expect it to be a white crowd? Small minded, Closed minded, Easily influenced, Mostly idiotic Justification of your own truth.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-15 16:11

      Trying to create jobs..

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:17

      So the majority of our population consists of black Africans, thus the majority of the unemployed are Black Africans... I did see alot of white faces in the crowd...check the photo's...

      Trevor - 2012-05-15 16:21

      Hey Dip$%## what is the point of your comment. I'm a "white" South African in China working,funny I don't see you or any of your "kind" here, to bloody lazy with AA making you soft my boy? Grow a set and be part of a solution, not a racist.

      Fanie - 2012-05-15 16:32

      Not needing the Youth Subsidy myself Ngonimclean, thats why!

      Peter - 2012-05-15 16:39

      @ngonimclean - Paying taxes and supporting your grants, idiot...

      Mo - 2012-05-15 17:21

      We actually worked to make a contribution to this countries economy, for the good of ALL South Africans, unlike you who stay away for weeks and couldn't give a rat's ass about what it is doing to the economy and to your own people, thinking only about yourself and your own needs. If everyone protests, then what is going to happen to your so called economic freedom. You do not even have a clue what hypocrite means so please stop using a word you heard somewhere.

  • desertratbkf - 2012-05-15 16:00

    Barbaric savages! Period!

  • Odicito - 2012-05-15 16:01

    Disgusting! cosatu lost all (and it was very small) respect I had for SOME of their causes.

  • Craig - 2012-05-15 16:03

    Oh Hum, why does this intolerance not supprise me, if you can't talk, it seems the best idea in this country is to break things, burn and fight what a great bunch we are, I'm sure the rest of the world is looking on with great admiration. ( You F@^!ing Idiots )

  • tshepo.phasha1 - 2012-05-15 16:04

    DA ya re tlwaela

      Dee - 2012-05-15 16:28

      The irony is that the Youth Subsidy is an ANC proposal.

      Banele - 2012-05-15 16:41

      Which the DA is trying to hijack, as it does every policy formed by the ANC.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:51

      @Banele, you are truely narrow minded...They are SUPPORTING the proposal and think this was a good cause to fight for

      Mo - 2012-05-15 17:26

      You are so blinded by the fact that it was the DA protesting that you fail to, or are to ignorant to understand what they are protesting for. To create 400000+ jobs!! Typical, we protest for protest sake, not even knowing or caring what it is for. You are more proof that the ANC and its members do NOT care about the people and the good of the country as a whole, only about themselves and keeping hatred alive. When will you actually live up to those brilliantly written ANC policies and promises??

  • Paulo - 2012-05-15 16:04

    that is "provocative"-Pat are sure this wasn't meant for your members-how many times have we seen them trash and cause chaos? hipocracy has a new name

  • Frank - 2012-05-15 16:04

    Now she blames Cosatu but she provoked them first! This woman is losing it, she needs to be sent to a mental hosp

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-15 16:10

      She provoked them by marching for the people about a serious issue. Cosatu: "WHY YOU TRY TO HELP PEOPLE?!! WE WILL FIGHT YOU!!!"

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-15 16:12

      What's a "hosp"? Spell your words properly man.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-05-15 16:15

      Sies vir jou!

      Trevor - 2012-05-15 16:22

      Frank, your head stuck up your ass??

      Peter - 2012-05-15 16:40

      Your losing it troll

      Mo - 2012-05-15 17:28

      So Frank, provocation justifies violence? Isn't that an old apartheid idea? Where protests was met with violence? Double standards much? So if anyone provokes me, it is right for me to react with violence. My, but you are a gem of a person, aren't you?

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-05-15 16:05

    Typical uneducated Cosatu members. They dont even know what labour brokers mean. They only know what it means when there Cosatu tell them what they wanna hear. I think the DA need to hand out dictionaries to all the Cosatu and ANC members so than can all sit down and read exactly what words mean. Cause the it seems the ANC and Cosatu always has to add racism into these words and never know exactly what these words mean.

      maluta.hector - 2012-05-15 16:13

      Darryl,I think is you who don't know the meaning. Employees are exploited and their rights taken away by labour brokers. Maybe you are benefiting from such actions,that's why you don't mind to write such nonsense. Put yourself in the place of those who had been hired through labour broker,you will feel their pains and frustrations. Get your facts right before you tjatjaraag.

      Bheki Nas - 2012-05-15 16:28

      Some fools are educated...just like you

      khopotso.lekhoehla - 2012-05-15 16:37

      @Bheki Nas,I agree with you,even the so "clever and educated" are the worst fools

      Jeffrey - 2012-05-15 17:19

      The DA weren't marching about labour brokers, they were marching to create job opportunities for those who are not employed. Stick to the topic. Furthermore, I have yet to meet an unemployed person who would rather be out of a job than being able to work for some money and training. Half a loaf is better than none. I take it all you Cosatu supporters posting here are employed, and couldn't care less about the unemployed - the real "poorest of the poor". Hypocrits, the lot of you.

      Mo - 2012-05-15 17:31

      Yet it is your government of the last 18 years allowing this??? I do not understand?

  • Jacques - 2012-05-15 16:05

    Cosatu is like the Mafia, they use violence and striking to get just what they want.

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-05-15 16:06

    No amount of HATE speech is worth the effort of describing how poorly this reflects on us. Clearly there is no leadership, no foresight and no discipline present in any of the ranks. How do they think they are going to prove to us they are worthy of our votes at the end of the day?

      Heiku - 2012-05-15 16:13

      You have to vote for someone though... I gotta say nobody is impressing me.

  • George - 2012-05-15 16:08

    Shame on you Vavi...........you sing 2 different songs...when it suits,,,,Shame on you........

  • Phelamanga - 2012-05-15 16:09

    To premeditate violence and to prevent other people from expressing their views is a strong indication that what the DA is doing has more than ruffled the feathers of the Tripartite Alliance. One is reminded of the Apartheid police and their approach to quelling marches in the Apartheid days. This day will go down in history as the beginning of the end of the Tripartite Alliance. If they ever had an ethical and moral compass, they definitely lost it today.

  • eil33nn - 2012-05-15 16:10

    COSATU ARE THE WORST THUGS EVER!!!!!!! The DA "have every right to march, but we see little point in a march" that is "provocative", Craven told AFP as protesters chanted around him." That is how EVERY COSATU march goes!

  • bernhard.b.baatjies - 2012-05-15 16:10

    wow, this article is SOOOO wrong..i live in the area and watched from my 4th story apartment as it all unfolded.The young folk from the guys in Blue did no such thing with bricks and stones and damaging cars as they marched.I dare this writer to prove that to me in pictures or some fact.I watched them walk from the NM Bridge.The s***t hit the fan when the guys in Red literally ganged up on them like common thugs and criminals.It was sad as the guys in Blue just kept shouting and chanting "WE WANT PEACE" and "POLICE DO SOMETHING" ..how dare this writer and more so NEWS24 allow this incorrect reporting.The guys in red had there shirts off and most of them had sticks/branches and glass bottles in there hands.It was so unfair as the guys in blue where obviously scared and not in a violent mindset but a festive mood to clearly just have a voice against something.I am a neutral and not into politics, but this I must say does not sit well by me as I could see the guys in blue where true and real South African citizens and the others just pure thugs.Also for those who where there , would agree with me that the biggest problem was the Police.Imagine this: for the World Cup we had thousands of well armed and trained special force guys with shields and barriers to protect foreigners, in this case it was so sad as the guys in red just walked straight over and pass a measly unprepared Metro and SAPS "line" that could not protect citizens that had a planned and organised march.

      Johan - 2012-05-15 16:19

      Yes - Just confirmed on 702. Cosatu stormed at the marchers and attacked with rocks and teazer guns. DA retreated the whole time and there were no violent retaliation from their side.

      Dee - 2012-05-15 16:22

      Good eyewitness post. I'm afraid COSATU & their ledership lost the moral high ground today - as rational champions of the poor, and such intolerance of a legally approved march is disquieting.....

      Peter - 2012-05-15 16:23

      ANC/Cosatu propaganda

      bernhard.b.baatjies - 2012-05-15 16:29

      it was sad sad sad to see if you where there.my sympathy for that young lady that i saw got hit very hard with a brick.hope she fine.seriously, i think she worse off than the reporter or the guy in the pic on the front page.I could hear the knock from my window and she went down like a sack of potatoes.So sad, seems like a well dressed and very elegant young lady.African gal with curly hair, anybody knows how she is please let me know, i was looking straight at her as he got struck by a half a brick. Mr Vavi , I always liked his speeches and how he projected himself, but now its clear that he cant control his people, and i cant wait to see if he justifies or condemns this tonight on prime time news, that will clearly make up my mind on who controls who and who will get my vote come 2014...all the best to that young lady hope no serious damage to her head/brain

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-05-15 16:33

      Thankyou!

      Johan - 2012-05-15 16:36

      Thanks Bernhard. Also hope she will be ok!

      Marion - 2012-05-15 17:03

      @bernhard - thank you so much for your birds eye view report. Especially for highlighting the fact that, despite being well aware of the potential for violence, the JMPD and SAPS did not provide adequate protection for the legal march even if they were not happy with the destination. They are a disgrace.

      Marion - 2012-05-15 17:06

      @bernhard - just saw your second comment. Thank you for your feedback and, as a woman, thank you on behalf of that young woman for your concern. I certainly hope she is not seriously injured. Blessings.

      Byron - 2012-05-15 18:54

      wait, you watched from your 4th story apartment and journalists on the ground are lying about what they saw in the thick of it? Ok, well you said it so it must be true?

  • George - 2012-05-15 16:11

    @ Charles...spot on...enough said.............

  • Robinson - 2012-05-15 16:11

    lol black on black violence...wow zille realy knows how 2 play us....Amen....

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-15 16:17

      If you didn't have a memory span of a goldfish, you would recall that zille was right there in the thick of things. Leave this colour thing my friend, its not worth it. We're all human beings.

      bernhard.b.baatjies - 2012-05-15 16:45

      @ ROBINSON ...oh no...you actually so wrong!! it was not black on black violence...the DA group was a true reflection of SA....totally mixed..BLACK/WHITE all races in fact.The other guys where all black "thugs".. (sorry the thug part is just my opinion on what i saw, as i was right there when it all went down Robinson,where you? )

      Byron - 2012-05-15 19:00

      in the game of chess, pawns are always positioned in front of the other pieces perceived to be of greater value

  • dentamokhabz - 2012-05-15 16:14

    As much as I don't condone violence, the DA should not forget that Cosatu doesn't implement policies. Thy therefore had to march to government and parliament not cosatu house. Whatever cosatu says or do is not a final matter on the policy of the government. So miss zille take your concern to the relevant people.

      Trevor - 2012-05-15 16:25

      What tree did you fall out of???? Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about?LMAO...idiot

      Stack - 2012-05-15 16:31

      this is a government ANC policy which the DA agree with, yet COSATU disagrees with, which is why they were marching to COSATU house. You really should get all the information before you make such comments.

  • Carry - 2012-05-15 16:14

    THIS HAPPENS EVERYTIME COSATU GOES OUT TO DEMONSTRATE - THIS SHOULD INFURIATE YOU CRAVEN - ESPECIALLY WHEN COSATU IS ALREADY BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGE TO PROPERTY WHEN YOU PROTEST. DON'T EVEN TRY TO EVEN EXPLAIN THIS AWAY. GET RID OF THE DESTRUCTIVE ELEMENT WITHIN THE MOB YOU CALL COSATU.

  • Ben - 2012-05-15 16:14

    1. Who didn't see this coming? Really...... 2. The protest is in a city! Where the hell do they get all the rocks?!? These people are 0nly interested in democracy when they're in charge. They will become violent every time they are challenged...always. They will kill to stay in power. There is NO democracy.

  • Trevor - 2012-05-15 16:16

    COSATU is a criminal organisation as proven once again today by it's actions and it's intent to physically attack a peacful LEGAL march. The fact they took bricks shows they planned to disrupt the DA's march with violence, sue their leaders!!

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-05-15 16:17

    Cosatu were warming up for strike season. It's normally around June, which means it's just around the corner.

      Trevor - 2012-05-15 16:29

      Let them strike, they just going to cost people their jobs as big business continues to shifts it's investments to Asia. I see it daily here and the growth rate is mind blowing, you have to see it to believe it...we've become so wrapped up in ANC VS DA and race hate that SA is only going one way and this intolerance shown by COSATU just higlights the route we are taking. I'll keep on working in ASIA...SA will just become China's Bitch.

  • Deon - 2012-05-15 16:17

    Why did the police not disperse the illegal Cosatu supporters?

      Dee - 2012-05-15 16:44

      Indeed.

  • Frans - 2012-05-15 16:18

    So the DA's march was provocative? In what way? As I understand Cosatu was aware of this march and could/should have stopped their followers from marching/confronting the DA.\r\nIf Cosatu march they damage shops and cars, isn't that provoking the owners?

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-15 16:18

    Casatu thugs, Casato's riot mob paid from workers contributions, whose children are struggling to find work, while Casatu-ellietist leaders squash youth employment subsidies. Down with Casatu, bunch of hoodlums, the youth should march on Casatu headquarters and burn it down. Viva DA Viva, champion of the poor, champion of the youth.

  • Lee.CPT.ZA - 2012-05-15 16:18

    Did there spokes person not say that they are waiting for them? What happened to the right to march peacefully. Patrick Craven regrets that there was violence. I think COSATU needs to be brought to book and formally challanged. How can they percieve themselves as bieng the only party that has the right to protest. I suppose the DA is again to be call

  • yvette.meyer2 - 2012-05-15 16:18

    South Africa's version of democracy! and people wonder why we are still a third world country! Shocking shame on you Cosatu I really expected better especially since you use marches for all your protests!

  • MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-05-15 16:19

    So silly and off the point some of these comments. Typical South Africans.I'm quite disturbed by the level of political intollerance shown by Cosatu members regarding this. It's shameful!!!!!

      Erna - 2012-05-15 16:39

      Unfortunately members of Cosatu and the ANC have no shame!

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-15 16:21

    Casatu does not lead the youth they do not lead the people that are a waste of time. Patrick Craven and his thugs should be arrested. It is time for Zars to investigate Casatu's books and reveal what is going on behind closed doors amonst the top leaders of Casatu.

  • Marion - 2012-05-15 16:22

    This says it all: "The DA was marching to demand government wage subsidies for young people, which the party says will create over 400 000 jobs. Cosatu opposes the subsidy. Unemployment for 15-24 year-olds topped 50%, or more than 1.32 million people, in the third quarter of 2011, said the SA Institute of Race Relations, counting only people actively looking for work." I ask, with tears in my baby blues, where are the 2012 batch of matriculants / graduates going to find jobs? These approx. 1.5 million people are eligible to vote and they need to vote wisely in 2014 and not be fooled by the propaganda that says the DA will do away with child grants if it gets into power.

      bernhard.b.baatjies - 2012-05-15 17:30

      @MARION..no problem, i just said it as i saw it.and let no reporter tell you any different as i had a birds eye-view from start to finish.and as a neutral i would testify under oath that the guys in Blue where totally being bashed, bullied and ruffed up by the guys in Red.There is one way to describe this as i saw it, it was almost like South Africa (the mixed group in blue) Vs the rest of Northern African thugs in Red, seriously!! Another example would be like saying, our possible future educated and civil population Vs the old violent pass.To me its now clear who i will vote for as i know what side i want my SA future to be.Im sure even the DA is not immune of corruption and bad calls in future, but it seems clear they have a much better youth following with much better racial integration and nation building views, I need my kids to grow up in a society like that rather than the plan anarchy i saw from disorganization and ammunition yielding union members.Please God, may that not be how we vote in 2014.We need to educate these guys in Red, i think they all just very poor and uneducated and being used unfairly.It was nice to see Mrs Zille addressing the youth mostly in local African languages than in English as well.A applaud her for her strength as a woman, she was right there infront and did not back off as the stones came, the people covered her and took her away against her will as it looked.I dont care if our FUTURE leaders are BLK-WHT,long as they good for us ALL

      Mandla - 2012-05-15 17:59

      Do not worry you are not part of those stats... if you are so concern how about giving up 100% of your ill gotten gains to create jobs for young blacks,who do not have the luxury of job reservations.

  • George - 2012-05-15 16:27

    COSATU has shown its true cANCerous nature for all to see. Deeply undemocratic, savage at heart. Stop hooliganism, stop chaos, stop cANCer, bring in the DA.

      Wally Walters - 2012-05-15 16:44

      They born that way

  • Ze - 2012-05-15 16:27

    Hey my fellows there is no need for that we can get over this without violence

  • bsepato - 2012-05-15 16:27

    I wonder hw lng ths 1 is goin 2 tke n in wch state is it goin 2 leave the country

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-05-15 16:30

      Would you like me to 'spell' it out for you?

      Erna - 2012-05-15 16:31

      Havn't you heard of vowels?

  • Sergio - 2012-05-15 16:29

    Go Helen Zille and DA!! Its taken 2 decades for something like this to happen...COSATU and ANC are shaking in their knees...

  • EyesEars - 2012-05-15 16:29

    This is absolute nonsense. Give more handouts to the youth instead of letter them do job shadowing, where they receive something to eat every day and just enough transport money to get to work. That way they will learn faster, but MORE SPOONFEEDING! And who is suppose to pay for that? Half DA and Employer and then the Employer might end up with youth not at work due to strikes, but still has to pay??? Please DA surely you could come up with something better. As for Cosatu, seriously, can't you keep your members at bay and get them to respect all's opinion? What "democracy" are we all fighting for?