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Zille doesn't get fuss over army

2012-07-13 12:05

Cape Town - Western Cape Premier Helen Zille said the army was deployed to Cape Town just seven months ago "without a fuss", it was reported on Friday.

She told The Cape Times the army should again be called in to help with gang violence, despite Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa shooting her suggestion down.

“There is nothing 'populist’ about my call to bring in the army to restore calm so that the police can get on with investigative policing.

“The army was deployed last Christmas in comparable conditions and it worked well, and without fuss, without these kinds of accusations.”

Zille said when the ANC was in power of the province, it brought in the army in similar circumstances.

“So I find it difficult to understand the fuss now. Perhaps we should ask who is being ‘populist’ ”

Mthethwa visited gang-ridden areas Hanover Park and Lavender Hill on Wednesday, to speak to residents.

According to the report, he said bringing in the army to combat gangsterism would turn these areas into war zones.

Zille was not informed of the visit and heard about it through the media.

Comments
  • joe.farmer.92775 - 2012-07-13 12:26

    Mthethwa, another complete spear of a deployed comrade

      philani.goba - 2012-07-13 13:01

      lol..spear..I like

      dee.980 - 2012-07-13 14:42

      uh uh ... he's the Water Cannon.

      al.chemist.7106 - 2012-07-13 16:16

      Weren't the army used for operation in Hillbrow some years back? I guess its only alright if it's an ANC run/mismanaged municipality/province

      sachasea - 2012-07-13 16:55

      Helen Zille should read the opinion piece entitled "We shoot ourselves in the foot by waging 'war on drugs'" in today's (Friday, July 13) Cape Times. Link for those who can't get hold of the paper - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151018756039861&set=a.348530249860.151304.7846664860&type=1&theater

      oom.koos.7 - 2012-07-28 13:08

      O what a wicked web the ANC will weave, when they trying to DECEIVE.. Message to all folks on the Cape Flats... The ANC don’t care if you are being shot, robbed, stabbed... I think they have made that quiet clear...VOTE for DA..

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-07-13 12:34

    ANC lackies will do all in their power to try and derail the only properly functioning province in the country. We need 1000 forensic auditors for Limpopo education alone..........

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-07-13 14:19

      If the ANC was in charge of the Western Cape, the army would be deployed without a second thought. The bottom line is that they will do everything in their power to make things more difficult than they are in that province, which is a real pity, because at the end of the day, it is still part of SA, no matter who runs it!

      william.hallett.9 - 2012-07-14 05:51

      If the minister lived in one of those arears THE ARMY WOULD BE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY..

  • nicholas.graan - 2012-07-13 12:39

    Its simple Helen, it's called politics. Truthfully the ANC probably couldn't give a damn if the army are deployed or not. They just have an opportunity to say "no" to you, and they are making full use of it. Childish yes, but that is what you are dealing with.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-07-13 12:48

    Well the obvious question to ask is, which position trumps the other, between a provincial premier and police minister? Is the premier answerable to the minister if she wants to call in the army, or is the minister answerable to the premier if his department is unable to control crime? Hopefully they can keep politics out of the argument long enough to find a solution to this ongoing problem. If not, we may find another Pagad that emerges to try and illegally do what the government is dismally failing to do.

  • westburyext - 2012-07-13 12:50

    they can deploy the army to westbury also for drug problem in westbury, as Nathi can`t say anything here because Sophiatown is corrupt and useless

  • trevor.dean.10 - 2012-07-13 12:59

    'According to the report, he said bringing in the army to combat gangsterism would turn these areas into war zones.' Um yeah well.... actually they are already war zones! That is why Helen wants the army, duh!

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-07-13 13:04

    Ill tell you who is politicizing this, the hypocrite Erenreich & his bum chums in the ANC, they are refusing to help because as far as they are concerned, its the leader of the DA thats requesting this, not the premier of the WC.

  • tertius.aswegen - 2012-07-13 13:22

    you know what i dont get.... how nathi still has a job as minister. just like the rest of jacobs' useless cabinet he rather goes to talk crap than try find a solution for these poor people. anc is an embarrasment to its founders, south africa, the world and its loyal supporters. maybe they can for once start doing something to help the people instead of helping their own political careers and greedy pockets.

  • gea.man.5 - 2012-07-13 13:40

    first of all i love the way every one else gets blamed for racism except certain ppl. we as white south africans stepped aside and let the anc take charge of sa and they cocked up for 18 years. they still blame the white guy. we as everyday south africans have learnt to get on with every day life and make sa a better place. at least helen zille is fighting for a better south africa, she and the da are not perfect they make mistakes but at least they are makeing waves. unlike the anc. there is a saying Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect -and I don't live to be- but before you start pointing fingers... make sure you hands are clean!”

  • foxiloxi - 2012-07-13 13:41

    The fuss is zille is DA and the ANC will do absolutely everything in its power, including allowing the ongoing killing of its own citizens, to work against her and try and make her look like she is grandstanding when all she is trying to do is stop the lawlessness in this area!! Please sensible people out there, got to the polls and vote these greedy, self centered b@stards out of power, and quickly before this country goes down in a huge ball of flames!!!

  • william.letsong.5 - 2012-07-13 13:42

    The Western Cape will be far better off if it becomes an independent state. At least than Zille won't have to deal with a bunch of morons who don't know how to do their jobs. No one can tell me that they can't get rid of gangsters on the flats, that's a lie. Government wants the Western Cape to be in chaos so that they can tell the people of Cape Town that the DA failed them comes 2014. During the 2008 xenophobic violence, they were quick to deploy the army to protect foreigners, but they fail to keep our own citizens safe. Is it because it is \coloured\ communities who voted the DA into power that the ANC don't give a s*** or are they protecting corrupt cops in the city? Community members says police are on the druglord's payroll.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-07-13 14:12

      Well said William, this is the plot by the ANC government to tarnish the image of the DA and Helen zille, recently in a city of RIO DE JANEIRO IN BRAZIL they experiment the same gangs problems as cape town and the Brazilian government deployed the ARMY to take care of the situation,

      lhenama - 2012-07-13 14:33

      Hay William uyaganga mfana honestly, you've got to stop smoking what you're smoking now, independent state hay papa. Gangsters in the Cape Flats have always been there since since and now you want miracles by the army hay mtshana those gangsters are an army on their own you really do want a war zone now. There's no Chuck Norris or Steven Seagal here Bhuti, get real.

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-07-13 14:55

      lhenama are you from Cape Town baba? Do you know what Lavender Hill and Hanover Park look like joe? Those are areas (blocks) that was designed by the apartheid government, so it would be child's play for troops to cordon off the area, search each and every house and arrest those responsible. The army was deployed many times before to assist police, why can't they be deployed now? Or are you telling me the army cannot deal with gangs because they out number the defence force by almost 30%? No one asked for a war zone, if they can go and protect other country's civilians during peacekeeping operation why can't they do the same here? After all we are the ones paying they salaries, not the damn UN. Maybe you are the one who needs a reality check mfwe2.

      william.hallett.9 - 2012-07-14 06:02

      william, you said it all. WELL DONE.

      brag.martin - 2012-07-14 12:02

      William, do you live on the Cape flats? so, you reckon it's easy to cordon of these areas and search every house? Good luck mate. I happen to live in Retreat (close to L/hill) and boy you would not want to go in there. The very community that's calling for the army are the ones hiding these criminals. It all starts at home. A crime remains a crime whether it's committed by your child or mine.

  • david.baker.sa - 2012-07-13 13:46

    The province does not control the SAP. So Helen has no-one patrolling. The SAP does which is under control of the National Government (ANC)

  • Phumlani Madlala - 2012-07-13 13:47

    honestly am being offended by your racist remarks,we are busy trying to close that chapter and there are people who are pulling us back,we cannot condone your attitude when you say our democratically elected leaders cannot reason,so am pleading with you don t trouble trouble till trouble troubles you

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-07-13 15:20

      Yes they were democratically elected by who? The uneducated masses excluding the Western Cape. I voted for them and will never make that mistake again. At least the people of the Western vote on performance and not according to skin colour and that is what the ANC hates. They elected coloured leaders there, but the people didn't buy it, they went with performance. Unlike the rest of the country and that is why they don't want to help the people on the Cape Flats. So as a young S.African man, I have a right to criticise government for failing us on all aspects including crime, education, health and corruption and so can each and every S.African irrespective of their skin colour, gender or believe.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-07-13 14:30

    Well from my experience in the townships the army has done well in keeping peace and what minister Nathi Mthethwa is saying about turning the street a was zone is just pathetic and stupid of him to say such. And if he does not feel well about how peace is kept in the city of Cape Town he must just shut up and resign.

  • manu.dibango.96 - 2012-07-13 14:50

    People are so focused on mudslinging and defending their parties that they lose sight of their own miserable circumstances. If you are an intelligent being, then you should have learned by now that politicians only care about themselves. So who are you defending? What are you defending? Look at this statement, “The army was deployed last Christmas in comparable conditions and it worked well, ..." What worked well? If the problem resurfaces after only 6 months is that something that can be referred to as 'worked well'. At this rate come christmas the army will have to be redeployed and before you know it they will be camping in those troubled suburbs. Is this desirable? More than being a policing crisis the gangs are a social crisis. They are born from the inhumanity of these suburbs. If the city placed more effort into humanising these places people's attitudes will change. These places have been neglected for far too long and the result is what we are seeing. I drive around CT and when I pass these neglected suburbs I am at a loss. Some of these places are so raw. And then you go to places like Constantia and you ask yourself "How is it possible that there can be such a huge difference in the same city?" The issue isn't da or anc. The issue is the neglect of society to the point that the law breaks down. The issue is officialdom giving up on people to the point that you solve social issues using the army. There are no gangs in the afluent suburbs. Why?

      regardt1 - 2012-07-13 15:46

      I would actually like to thank you for the most (and first) intelligent comment on this article. It's good to see someone has some brains on News24.

      manu.dibango.96 - 2012-07-13 16:43

      alicia, criminal elements own houses in constantia. So what? That's not my point. I said that there are no 'gangs' in constantia. But this doesn't preclude gangsters owning homes in constantia. Don't rush to judge others as being poorly informed. First understand what has been said. But since we are speaking of gangsters, where do you suppose those gangsters originated from? How many of those gangsters do you suppose started their gangsterism in constantia? Do you have gangsters running around shooting each other in constantia? How many residents of constantia have been killed by stray bullets? The fact is that the gangs and their origins are firmly rooted in these neglected suburbs. The home bases of these gangs are in these suburbs. As I said, think about what you are defending? In my experience just because an area is poor doesn't also mean that it should be neglected. Have you seen how dirty some of these places are?

      jan.vanriebeeck.58 - 2012-07-13 17:58

      Well Zilly, The community is on your side removing this disease. Install better services and Infrastructure or are these areas not DA enough to warrant a better effort. Install Programmes and Facilities for the Youth, This is NOT rocket science. Why give up ??? SO what is the Army to do ...Containment, That's not a Leader of RSA. No you nurture a different future , Now that's what a good leader would do. I suggest admitting failure and asking the Government for help in a Local issue is just NOT good enough..

  • rindie.cloete - 2012-07-13 15:44

    The Western Cape is the best run Province in South Africa. FACT. If only people get over themselves and listen to the person that runs that and maybe even follow her example, this country would be a better place to live in.

      jan.vanriebeeck.58 - 2012-07-13 18:26

      Seems Zilly is clueless regarding this Social issue.

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-07-13 17:04

    The ANC so anti-Zille because the DA governing the country!

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-07-13 17:06

      I mean the province!

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-07-13 17:07

      Let's hope soon it will be more provinces than just the Western Cape!

  • litha.luzipo - 2012-07-16 10:49

    Soldiers are trained to Kill. That is thier only way of maintaining stability. I would rather enhance SAPS and provide them with resources to deal with the matter. Those of us who witnessed how soldiers maintained peace in the apartheid regime would not want to see the repeat of it:It would just take us back to where force was used to sort things out. Unfortunately innocent civilians die in the process.

  • raymond.hughes.56 - 2012-08-03 23:24

    "WARZONE"??? if one of these gangs is brave enough to wage war on the very army that protects them MAY GOD HAVE MERCY.... actually may he have mercy ON THEM.... GOOD LUCK GANGSTERS from the HEATHCOTE AND THE RAZOR

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