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Zonderwater Prison should be praised - dad

2011-12-19 22:57

Pretoria - Zonderwater Prison should be praised and given credit for the good work it has done, the stepfather of one of the so-called "Waterkloof Four" said on Monday.

Speaking hours after his stepson Gert van Schalkwyk was released into house arrest, Jimmy Stonehouse said: "I want to give credit to the Zonderwater Prison."

Van Schalkwyk was released earlier on Monday, together with Reinach Tiedt, following a court wrangle over the decision by the Zonderwater parole board to commute their 12-year jail terms to house arrest. They can apply for parole at a later stage.

Schalkwyk and Tiedt were imprisoned along with Christoff Becker and Frikkie du Preez in 2008 for killing a homeless man and assaulting another at a park in Pretoria in 2001.

Bekker and Du Preez, serving their sentences in Pretoria Central, had not been released and there was no word as to whether they would be.

"They are in different prisons. They have to be evaluated individually," said Stonehouse.

The release of the two had drawn widespread criticism. Initially the correctional services department ignored two court orders forcing it to abide by the parole board's decision to commute their sentences.

Announcing on Monday morning that the department would abide by the orders, spokesperson Zacharia Modise said: "We are not happy with the court order. We want to challenge this."

In a statement released on Monday, the department said it was immediately complying with the court orders by placing Tiedt and Van Schalkwyk on correctional supervision from Monday.

This was barely hours before another application was about to be lodged in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria to get the department to abide by the previous court orders.

Unlawful

On Friday the Democratic Alliance's James Selfe said the decision to place them under house arrest was made after the chairperson of the Zonderwater parole board was told by the department that the recommendation was unlawful.

"In terms of a previous court decision, conversions of sentences can only occur if an inmate has less than five years remaining of his or her sentence," Selfe said.

"Both the recommendation of the parole board and the decision of the Pretoria Regional Court were therefore wrong and should be set aside," he said.

But Stonehouse said: "We did not apply [for sentences to be commuted]. The jail did. The jail came and said they don't belong here anymore. They did their time and they are model prisoners."

"I know people want to see him [Gert] in jail, but everybody has got their right to their own opinion. If at least you try, give someone the chance. Why can they not have a second chance?"

He said his stepson and Tiedt had studied while in prison, founded a soccer team in the prison and completed all the courses correctional services had required of them.

Speaking about Van Schalkwyk's time at Zonderwater, Stonehouse said: "There was not one day when we came and visited our kid that we were handled in a bad way. You can see those people [prison officials] are trying to do everything right.

"You know what, my kid could have hated every day. My son's mind is open... .They could have made it difficult for him. He could have been a very different person."

"They must have taken this kid and done something right," he said.

Community service

The conditions of Van Schalkwyk and Tiedt's release are that they are under house arrest, with the exception of the 15 hours of community service they are required to perform every month.

Neither is allowed to consume alcohol. They have to be home between 18:00 and 07:00 on weekdays on the days on which they work. On the days on which they do not work, they have to be home from 13:00 to 08:00.

Tiedt has to clean the Transvaal Museum for his community service. Van Schalkwyk has to carry out his service at the Bronkhorstspruit police station.

The department said correctional services national commissioner Tom Moyane would obtain legal advice and then take a decision on how to take the matter further.

Earlier on Monday, Van Schalkwyk's mother Sarita Stonehouse said she was "elated, absolutely elated" that her son was about to be released.

Comments
  • Danie - 2011-12-19 23:13

    correctional services are what their name states, correctional wich means they are there to rehabilitate people that can be rehabilitated. If the people who worked with them on a daily basis feel they are fit to leave prison, let it be, the court should put people away with not mainly punishment in mind but to protect society from future harm. If you are a repeat offender...different story as you have proven you can't or don't want to be helped. Give them a change like all under house arrest and parole.

      Len - 2011-12-19 23:24

      So, would this apply if someone murdered a relative of yours too, or is this limited to when the victims are nameless and faceless strangers?

      Johncarlos ? Biza - 2011-12-20 00:39

      I'd like to hear you say that the next time a paroled criminal robs and hurts an innocent citizen. It is probably happening somewhere, as I type this.

      craigtjames - 2011-12-20 04:01

      I believe a potentially dangerous precedent is being set here. These kids were cruel beyond comprehension - the fact the the person they murdered was a homeless man - he was a human being - that is all that counts. There is simply no difference between them and the people who go into homes and hack people do death. When you murder someone, you are a murderer - there is no lesser or greater one than the other. This is wrong - we must stop trying to justify certain wrongs and blow other ones up until they explode with issues happening in our country. Like our friend who posts here on a regular basis who firmly believed it was right for the farmer and his son to kill the poachers. What has happened to our humanity???

      Andre - 2011-12-20 06:02

      What a buffoon!!! His son kicks a homeless man to death showing exactly what type of pathetic father he is!! So shut up, you racist pig and next time you have kids, teach them good morals!!

      s1zwe - 2011-12-20 06:09

      This is ridiculous! Funny how people always have no faith in South Africa's ability to do anything or in any of their institutions and today @Danie is heaping the praise on the correctional services dept... This is not fair first of all and it makes no sense, these kids are cruel and are murderers. Why are they out? It makes no sense at all to me, considering how many other people have killed and not gotten released within two years. This is a crying shame truth be told, and I'm not giving it long before someone makes it racial. As a matter of fact I can't help but think this has something to do with these boys being white. But then again that's just me

      Danie - 2011-12-20 08:31

      I agree that it sounds not right but this happens every week, it is just that it doesn't get reported on. To Lenand it already happened, thats why I know that this is how they work, called drunken driving and yes it really kill people and by the why the person only got house arrest from the word go. if we go that way speed kills how fast are you driving, when did you not fully stop at stop sign, when did you go over a traffic light when it was not green, why are these people homeless what are you doing to help them why are you letting. But you still miss the point let correctional services do their job, they have the facts we don't. If they want to revoke it, let them they have the facts. I firmly believe that they will find it difficult to cope with their conditions for the next 8 years...if they cant, back to prison. If you go sit outside any major correctional office, you will notice about 20 people a day going out on paole but my point remains - it doesn't get reported on.

      Graziella - 2011-12-20 14:52

      As long as you are willing to apply this principle to all the other murderous scum that roam this country.

  • Blip - 2011-12-20 00:08

    They'll soon be back in Zonderwater for some more "good work" to be done.

      rbczovczov - 2011-12-20 12:10

      The LAW is truly an A$$. Can we please do away with these grey areas that are obviously open to abuse and have clear sentences? If the judge says 5 years, let it be 5 years non-negotiable. We will talk about parole after those 5 years.

  • cosmos.ndebele - 2011-12-20 00:55

    Killing of a homeless, pennyless, harmless, foodless man deserves a long prison sentence, It shows you how far the society has down the thrash bin in order to carry out this sick attack. I have noticed a lot of people in this forum who support the early release of these individuals, I wonder what kind of a hell hole they came from?

      Van - 2011-12-20 01:01

      Killing farmers is fine then?

      cosmos.ndebele - 2011-12-20 01:16

      Do you think its fine?

      Van - 2011-12-20 01:29

      Sometimes what is NOT there is more important than what is there. It was not the parents that asked for the release. It was done by a government department. Most propably your government as I did not vote for them. I don't deal with them(prisoners) on as daily basis, so, if the people that do, feel that it would be better for their chances to become 'good' citizens again so be it. The released will have a good support system to make sure they stick to the rules. Remember they are NOT free. It is not parole.

      Precious - 2011-12-20 02:42

      Jub Jub is running free and will never see a prison after killing school children. Jackie is not even in prison and Shaik is on a golf course and Zuma is our President. So I don't see why this is such a big issue. Those dead school children are a far bigger issue for me and so is the brain damaged one in Krugersdorp. His life is also over and that because a MEC couldn't control the driver. Same thing all over. We don't need courts anymore or prisons.

      Garysyd705 - 2011-12-20 06:12

      http://charlesscheepers.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/waterkloof-four-wrongfully-imprisoned

      Harold - 2011-12-20 06:31

      I suggest some people should review the whole prosecution process and look at what time in history it happened. These men were kids at 15 years of age and the state decided to manipulate the whole process and delay it for 8 years. Destroying their families and young childrens lives. Oh I forgot it was alright to do that seen they were kids from affluent homes and their whole family needed to be stripped of their wealth.

      Elle-Black - 2011-12-20 07:10

      @ Van firstly what on earth does this have to do with farm attacks? Or do you think they were justified to kill the homeless man in order to avenge farm attacks? you are an idiot of note,murder is murder regardless of who is being murdered or what community they come from.

      johan.blertsie.cilliers - 2011-12-20 08:50

      @Garysyd705 Great read, wonder if the info bill will restrict this type of media reporting or only make it worse?

      oscar.manamela - 2011-12-20 11:33

      Van, dont be a fool

      zitaharber - 2011-12-20 13:14

      Very good read from Charles Scheepers

  • nasser.chothia - 2011-12-20 00:57

    Not an easy thing for a father to say. Think about that. I think its great that they took in two criminals and produced two potentially productive members of society.

      Dewald G. - 2011-12-20 08:59

      Yea. You mean they did the job the father SHOULD have done? Can't believe they're out already. You may say they will be productive members of society and this may be true - Hoorah to the correctional services etc etc... BUT there is also the issue of PUNISHMENT. Punishment for what you have done. Punishment regardless if you are 'reabilitated' or not. From what I can see, the punishment does not fit the crime. I believe there's a killer in all of us. But it is good conscience (which these boys didn't have) and fear of punishment which keeps us from killing one another.

      Craig - 2011-12-20 15:02

      He's not the father, he's the step-dad.

  • Mark - 2011-12-20 06:24

    This family are a load of scum bags

      Van - 2011-12-20 06:27

      Refering to the Shaiks or Zuma's?

      Jason - 2011-12-20 08:20

      @Mark... Do you know this family personally?

      Andrew - 2011-12-20 09:05

      Would suggest all the critics against the release of these two youngs read the full investigation of this saga and just maybe it will cast some doubt as to whether they were guilty of the crime. I for one believe these boys deserve a second chance and just possibly the correctional service department reviewed the whole process and came to the decision of doubt as I did. They were also described as model prisoners and studied hard which in turn may also have had an impact on the decision to parole them under strict conditions. I hope they while lead a meaningful life and contribute to society in a positive way. Finally, to call the family a load of scum bags is totally unnecessary as they stood by their family unfaulteringly.

      Dewald G. - 2011-12-20 09:28

      Andrew, a second chance after ermm what? murder? Ya screw it. Why not. And while you're at it why not pardon a couple of rapists while you're at it because they made their beds and played along with a correctional program? If they're not guilty then it needs to be proven. We shouldn't slack on punishment just because we DOUBT the outcome of a trial.

      Andrew - 2011-12-20 09:40

      Dewald, have you read the full investigation transcript ? I DOUBT it.

      Pieter - 2011-12-20 13:04

      Anderw so the question is. Did any of these boys lay a hand on this person. If they did I think they got what they deserved. They think they can hit anybody and get away with it.

      Craig - 2011-12-20 15:08

      Didn't one of the boys confess and become a state-witness, would you guys be supporting the release of two black murderous 20 year olds as fervently as your are these two pieces of white murdering trash.

  • Mzansi - 2011-12-20 06:24

    Surely Mr Jeff Radebe (Justice Minister), must jump in if there is an indication (feeling:Democratic Alliance's James Selfe) that the law is being trampled on for favours or sinister reasons. Reason that do not align with the laws of the country.

  • Hugh - 2011-12-20 06:40

    The emotional bunch again that cannot see the wood for the trees.It is wrong for a person imprisioned for killing or raping someone to be let out so early but it happens every day. You read it, experience it directly and indirectly. How many have been let out of prison only to commit the same or similar crimes. In my mind rape and murder or wanton violence is an ongoing trauma to those left living. Now if we had the death penalty this sort of happening would not be an issue.

      Van - 2011-12-20 06:51

      Just imagine how peacefull it would have being without nelson and kie?

  • malcolm - 2011-12-20 06:58

    We live in a cruel world. To be homeless with nobody to care for, or love you is bad enough. To be murdered for fun is beyond comprehension. I hope the victim is in a far better place right now.

      Van - 2011-12-20 07:04

      Yip, sitting under a tree in Mamelody.

      joel.mathope - 2011-12-20 08:46

      Van I think you need to relax and start using ur brains this is not a playground but a platform for South Africans to air their views on issues that affect us everyday so buzz off with ur stupid comments

  • Fanie Oosthuizen - 2011-12-20 07:04

    I found it disturbing to read the comments that people made here. Either we do not care what we say to one another: we are a heartless bunch of hell knows what. Or these comments originates from a side of people that is pathological due to the situation some find themselves in in the new SA. A court agreed with the recommendation to convert there sentences therefore I believe that it is right. You cannot compare this case with farm murders as the murderers in that cases are normally not fit to be rehabilitated. Fortunately these two passed the process of rehabilitation. So, with Christmas less than a week away, let us all just rethink our opinions which demonstrate our hate for one another, before posting it on a website like this.

      Craig - 2011-12-20 15:14

      There should only be one sentence for senseless murders, life, no parole. If there are suddenly new facts or old facts that weren't taken into consideration, there is a court of appeal, use it, don't bring in some mumbo-jumbo crap put on/pulled off the web by a bunch of racist supporters. I wonder if the homeless man and his family are having a great christmas this year.

  • Smanga Zwane - 2011-12-20 07:19

    Who will speak for the dead poor man... I wonder where are all the "rights groups" now... They are only "rights groups" when it suits them...

  • winston.mullany - 2011-12-20 07:20

    Bottom line, they killed a man for fun. They should rot in jail, I couldn't care less who you are!

  • Daft - 2011-12-20 07:38

    Can anyone please tell me what is the time...I wanna go to the beach...

  • Kevin - 2011-12-20 07:40

    All the commentators on this issue miss the point. The Correctional Services appointed parole board decided to release them on correctional supervision and obtained a court order to that effect. The Correctional Services employees at the same prison then decided not obey the court order. It appears that the correctional services employees who would have been obliged to give evidence at the hearing to determine the change in their sentencing provisions are incompetant or lied. It is possible that the head of the Parole Board acted in a manner that is at odds with decided case law. However what is certain is that the idiots at that prison refused to comply with a court order. Who do they think they are? They should all be prosecuted and serve a short jail sentence. I am of the opinion that they should have served at least 5 years before being eligible for correctional supervision and no decision should be taken before then. However I am of the belief that no one is above the law not Zuma, not Shaik, not Selebi, not Yengeni, not Winnie Mandela, not the arms deal fraudsters, not people who kill and maim through their bad driving, not the members of parliament who defrauded parliament, not the killers of farmers , not the drug dealers and certainly not the police and corectional services personnel. However it seems the law is applied selectively which is what happened in this instance.

      Craig - 2011-12-20 15:16

      Like with Shaik?

  • Fenderbender - 2011-12-20 07:57

    3 years for murder is ludicrous , no matter what his excuses were, how deep daddy's pockets are or how eager he is to go 'home'. If you rob somebody of their life, you should be robbed of yours, it is basic. This is exactly why rapist and murderers roam the streets while honest non criminals have to lock themselves up in suburban forts.

  • Julie.Rigby61 - 2011-12-20 08:05

    You take a life and spend 3 years of a 12 year sentence in prison...Where is the justice in this? If a reprieve of sentences may only occur if an inmate has less than five years remaining their sentence surely this should be investigated?

  • burrowscraig - 2011-12-20 08:05

    Where were these guys during 2001 and 2008 when the sentance was carried out? were they in prison or where they sitting at home? if they were in prison during the trial surely that should be time served. Look i am not condoning their action what so ever. If you murder someone you must pay. Could someone enlighten me as i have not followed this case. And surely when the crime was committed they were minors and as such the courts play by different rules when it comes to minors.

  • Deon - 2011-12-20 08:13

    The fact is, these guys where 15 when this happened. The courts decided to drag it out for 8 years, so they can humilate and strip the whole family of wealth and self respect. Now the justice system has decide to let them go, remember 8+3=11, that is the time they have paid for the crime they commited.....Let them be and lets cocentrate on bigger things. A guy NEARLY poured a drink over the President, gets locked up, humiliated, and fined!! Malema calls the President in public a shower head, and gets cheers!!!!! Something is serious wrong!!!!

      Craig - 2011-12-20 15:18

      One of the boys was fifteen the oldest boy was 18.

  • George - 2011-12-20 08:21

    "I know people want to see him [Gert] in jail, but everybody has got their right to their own opinion. If at least you try, give someone the chance. Why can they not have a second chance?" The fact that they got 12 years is in itself a second chance. beating up a homeless and hapless person is barbaric and perpertators don't belong in our society. The shud have received atleast 25years. This is a clear example of selective justice.

  • Trevor - 2011-12-20 08:52

    Why not do this kinda service to the comminity as a whole instead of wasting time in prison costing the taxpayers HUNDREDS of MILLIONS??? Oh I forgot, the Trade Unions don't like it, form of cheap labour and something about their right to dignity...*cough*..BULL#$%t ANC needs to stop catering to criminals and make them WORK to pay their debt to society, HARD LABOUR cleaning streets...bush clearing/cleaning of our rivers...etc...simple solution but the ANC always wants to ass creap to get votes......

      George - 2011-12-20 10:46

      The prison term should run concurrently with community service. They should sweat and then taken to prison after a day's work. They don't need to be at home.

  • Inkwazi - 2011-12-20 08:53

    this is what i've come to expect, shifting of the goal posts, jus few a few days ago a young black south african girl was exercuted in a foreign countrry by people of a 'certain' colour,& evryone i.e. whitey's were joyful and are calling for a dearth penalty,those 4 belong in prision what they did in not forgiveble, so only whites can be rehabilitated not blacks is that what you saying?...

      Sharmay - 2011-12-20 09:27

      "a few days ago a young black south african girl was exercuted in a foreign country by people of a 'certain' colour".. drug trafficking is punishable by death there. You should know that before you travel there. What do you mean "certain colour"? You going to blame that on whites? Did a white person force her to be a drug mule? She did it because she was stupid and naive. Stop generalizing. We are all disgusted that these brats are out of jail so early. Its not just black people that are outraged. Stop generalizing.

      Garth - 2011-12-20 09:30

      Whoa, eagles should fly higher than you do boy! Your nom de plume should be inkuku, because you are scratching through the dust, looking for titbits, but only discovering your own refuse. You are so way off the mark, you probably need assistance finding your own a$$ with both hands in the dark. That young blackey(your choice of words) that was executed in a foreign land, for a crime that carries a death sentence in that country, was actually a young `coloured girl' firstly and secondly, fully cognizant of the penalties attached to her quest for riches. These four young white men have served part of their sentence and were released by the structures that you put in place by voting for the ignorants. And only in your tiny little racist mind has anyone written that `only whites can be rehabilitated'. Read the posts without your blinkers, chicken.

      Henk - 2011-12-20 09:34

      Inkwazi, whites did not call for the death penalty because of that girl. It's a shame she was executed because she was just small fry. We call for the death penalty because of ALL killers and rapists that roam the streets. In my honest opinion, those boys got out of hand and probably never realized they were killing someone. You see people getting kicked and beaten in the movies and minutes later they don't even have a shiner or a bruise. So what does a 15 year old know about reality. I am not defending them at all. They were extremely stupid but mark my words, they will never even lift a finger against anyone ever again. On the other hand, it seems that most repeat offenders are black but we can never say blacks cannot be rehabilitated. I guess each case has it's own merits.

      George - 2011-12-20 11:00

      Inkwazi, you're an embarrassment brother. The two are not comparable. SA has no jurisdiction in foreign countries. Whatever happened there is not influenced by South African laws. The point is, if you do the crime you must do the time regardless of the colour of your skin. South Africa justice system is not transformed to deal with issues in a more transparent and fair way. The point in question is: Jackie Selebi has been convicted but his accomplice, a well known criminal and murderer is a free man. Selebi has been sentenced to 15 years for receiving gifts and murderers have been sentenced to a mere 12 years and only served 2 years for the crime. I would be sick if I was Selebi.

      Inkwazi - 2011-12-20 12:01

      "I have been here for 17 years, guilty of armed robbery and murder. I am passionate about this programme. I understand so much more about myself and what I can do to help others. My vision, when I am released, is to work with the youth of our country, black and white, male and female. I would like them to understand the cycle of violence and to give them hope. ” "My name is Fred (not real name). I was with the cops for 17 years, both pre- and post-94. It was hard for me to get used to the new South Africa, I lost it one night and killed some innocent people. This programme has been great for me; when I am released I am going on to work with cops who suffered some of the stresses that I did, and to help them cope better.” The stories are from people who are still doing their time @ Zonderwater and have been overlooked...u can not deny that they are more rehabilitated n more mature than those 4, but they BLACK isnt it...

      Craig - 2011-12-20 15:22

      Inkwazi you're a racist prick, most of the comments on this forum are from whites, and most believe what has happened isn't right. I must agree with you on the death sentence though, the girl was guilty of dealing in drugs, hang her, these boys murder a harmless old man hang them as well.

      Stefan - 2011-12-20 22:00

      Inkwazi, you clearly still have some unresolved racial issues, just like your buddy Van. This is the new South Africa, get over yourselves.

  • Japana - 2011-12-20 08:55

    Something is definitely wrong here. 3 years for murder!!! This is a very bad precedent. Now most murderers will complete a course, start a soccer team in prison and gets released after a few years. And we cry every day about crime! This is ridiculous. No wonder Jub Jub is roaming our streets free and investigating officers are shot at at will. Our justice system is rotten.

      Steve - 2011-12-20 10:22

      Thats right Japana, thats precisly what they do.... some even study law as well as starting a soccer team. Those they make President! Isn't that right Mr. Mandela? the others who plant bombs in clubs are made police chiefs.... How are you keeping Robbie?

      George - 2011-12-20 11:42

      Steve, you are oviously an idiot. Talking sense with you will be pointless.

      Steve - 2011-12-20 12:08

      I know George.... but it's such FUN! come on! this forum is beter than Sewende Laan! this whole countries policy and law is up the spout! Murderes walk free while the little people get crusified. Have a nice Christmas.

  • moby.quest - 2011-12-20 08:56

    This story reminds me of a song by "Arrested Development" that came out about 20 years ago called "Mr.Wendal". (For those of you who dont know the song, search for it on youtube.) Its about a homeless man and in one of the verses they sing..."Mr.Wendal, a man, a human in flesh but not by law..." Is this not what happened here now? Does the poor or homeless have less of a right to live than the rich? Are we not all human? And does HUMAN RIGHTS not include everyone that qualifies as human? What happened to that homeless man's human rights? The stepfather said that everyone has a RIGHT to their opinion. Well, the homeless guy had a RIGHT to be ALIVE but he was deprived of this right. Does the fact that they studied in prison and formed a soccer team bring that man back to life??

  • kgomotso.segooa - 2011-12-20 08:59

    A 19 year old gets busted for shoplifting and gets sentenced for 10yrs and another teen took someone's life only serves few years in jail and people make it race issue. Justice for the rich and the poor must just suffer the consequences. I feel that they must be re-sentenced. Even the guy who killed 5 runners must go to jail, he was drunk and a danger to society but he also enjoying the benefits of law abiding citizen. Something needs to be done and very fast. However; we always talk and no action, maybe we should take to the streets and this time will be different, it will not be for salary increase but to force the government to abide by the rules. Why must justice be for certain individuals the selected few?

      Henk - 2011-12-20 09:44

      Yes it is unfortunate that it became a race issue. In fact, it seems that nobody gets punished in a satisfactory manner these days. There is always someone on the victim's side who want harsher punishment, and the other camp on the perpetrator's side who want it to be more lenient. There is a fine line and the justice system should not destroy lives and futures where offenders truly show remorse.

  • Tyrone - 2011-12-20 09:03

    Murder is the worst crime and should be punishable by long sentences! My preference is the gallows, BUT the fuss here is only because they are white! Also just my opinion!

  • joel.mathope - 2011-12-20 09:07

    This should be a lesson to parents if you bring up ur child as racist they will turn up worse than you, these boys dont deserve a day out of prison, where is Afriforum when u need them

  • Bokfan - 2011-12-20 09:12

    What a disgrace to the justice system. This is a mockery of the guilty verdict. I can bet the selfsame people who are defending the decision to let them go are the very ones who demand the release of Derby Lewis. Can you imagine the gusts of outrage and fury when ET's killers get treated with equal leniency. But very encouragingly it seems that most commentators except the loony "white is right" club are disgusted that this has come to pass.

  • Sharmay - 2011-12-20 09:21

    These boys KILLED someone and ASSAULTED another person. Being young at the time is not an excuse for such evil behaviour. What makes them different and more special from a house robber with a gun or a drunk behind a wheel? Sure, the family was wealthy and they probably had great lawyers but I am disgusted by the preferential treatment they are getting. You did the crime now serve the time!

  • Natalie - 2011-12-20 09:24

    This is shocking! The way they killed that poor man in the park was unforgivable. His family can never see him again, but daddy was very quick to pick up his son which he still have. Where is justice? Maybe there is no justice in South Africa but i can assure you that each one of them will pay for what they did cause God does not sleep!

  • Ryan - 2011-12-20 09:27

    No matter how we feel about them and their release , there are two very important issues that I would like to highlight within this story! 1. Why do I get the feeling the whole outcry has a racial element to it just like allot of other criminal incidents involving WHITE Vs BLACK. 2. Who do DCS think they are to ignore a Supreme Court order. If the ANC and their various arms of government think it is ok to ignore the LAW of the LAND then people we are in deep trouble. The SACP has said that "Whites" should stop trying to rule from the grave by means of a " Judicial Dictatorship" what the hell is he trying to say ? The LAW OF THE LAND IS OK as long as it dose not benefit the White man and undermine the ANC!http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Nzimande-slams-judicial-dictatorship-20111217-2

  • Dakey - 2011-12-20 10:04

    There four should have been executed along with every other murderer in this country, black and white. I don't see why you get a 2nd chance for killing someone, rediculous.

  • ivan.coetzee2 - 2011-12-20 10:06

    This is so wrong on so many levels it's just sick. They killed another man, and just because he was homeless and black, they should have been given life with no parole. Sick bastard!

  • Breinlekkasie - 2011-12-20 10:49

    It is now "Zonder Tiedt And Van Schalkwyk Prison".

  • Shirley - 2011-12-20 10:50

    Their release is going to be hotly debated for a long time to come. I do feel however that the role of a prison is to change/reform a prisoner to be released into society as "rehabilitated " person. These instances are few and far between where they actually do. If these young men can lead productive lives with no future crime then I say the prisons have succeeded. Bottom line if a guy spends 30 years in prison and is released full of hate and no attitude shift to when he went in then nothing was achieved. Sometimes its not the ammount of time but the progress that has been made in said time!

  • oscar.manamela - 2011-12-20 11:36

    Had it been blacks we would have seen AfriForum in action blaming Malema for that as well

      Sharmay - 2011-12-20 11:45

      http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Waterkloof-parole-unlawful-DA-20111216 I dont think race has anything to do with this. Everyone is angry.

  • Benmica - 2011-12-20 12:14

    Let them go on with their lives. The authorities have made a decision based on their behavior.

  • ElKapino - 2011-12-20 12:41

    What puzzles me they hardly spent half of their sentences, R they saying all "rehabilitated" murders in that prison that were arrested before 2008 are also out?? i doubt - probable the father was pushing from outside

  • Cynthia - 2011-12-20 12:52

    Did they give the homeless man a second chance? It's too late now to give him a second chance, he's DEAD and their asses belong in jail for the full 12 years! What is "house arrest"? All the comforts of home - shame you just don't get a chance to go out and beat up another homeless man.

  • Glen - 2011-12-20 13:05

    Well I guess that farm murderers who are first time offenders should be released as well if they have proven themselves to be model prisoners after a while.That goes for all murderers who are first time offenders.This stuff up is setting a dangerous precedent that has been initiated by the parole board and the judiciary has played a major role in screwing up future sentences.Who is this dickhead judge anyway? A friend of the families?

  • Zebelon - 2011-12-20 13:17

    It is not a question of opinion of someone, or that of the department for that matter. It is a question of the legal ruling that a prisoner must have less than five years to be considered for release. Being happy or pleased is neither here nor there.

  • loraine.meyer - 2011-12-20 14:53

    I am shocked that these young men got parole so quickly. What they have done is no different to farm murderers. Because of media reports it looks like they got out because they are white. Many people get parole regardless of race - we just don't read about it in the papers. Some of them go out and rape and kill again. Hopefully they won't do that again. It is just so sad that a life means nothing to such a big group in our society.

  • Liz - 2011-12-20 15:18

    Give them a second chance ????? The homeless man never got his second chance !!!!!

  • Bobby - 2011-12-20 15:40

    Just see it for what it is a bunch of merciless middle class white boys with means and lawyers and 12 years in the first place was light for murdering a defenceless man in a park. Then there is a homeless black man whose family will never know what happened to him. Drawing in other cases is pointless and meaningless, we are looking at this case. Weigh it up and one remembers that we are still steeped in race and class priviledge. NO SYMPATHY FOR THE LITTLE FASCISTS THEY SHOULD HAVE SAT FOR LIFE!!!

  • lisa.steyl - 2011-12-20 15:47

    I assume that most of the people on this page doesn`t believe in second chances in life! and that none of you have every done something you regret??

  • kgalalelo.malesele - 2011-12-20 20:12

    We are busy releasing more criminals into the streets and busy exporting more to the rest of the world while more are being initiated everyday so much that crime is crime only for the few seconds and the next you are released after faking your good behavior and probably paying somebody........WHAT IS WRONG?????

  • SthabiliciosFor KhawulaniMkhize Maphitha - 2013-04-19 13:22

    Can this only apply to black inmates or its only whites i am concern about this

  • SthabiliciosFor KhawulaniMkhize Maphitha - 2013-04-19 13:23

    Does this parole only apply to white people because I've never heard such happening to our black brothers

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