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Zuma painting difficult to ban, says judge

2012-05-24 14:07

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma's bid to ban a painting in which his genitals are exposed suffered a setback on Thursday with the court saying it would not be easy to enforce.

Satirical artist Brett Murray's depiction of Zuma in a Vladimir Lenin pose - branded "indecent" by the ANC - was vandalised on Tuesday amid a national furore.

The party on Thursday went ahead with a court application against the artist, the Goodman Gallery in Johannesburg that displayed it and the City Press newspaper, despite the gallery closing and removing the work.

But judges were not convinced that a ban would work.

"This image is already out there on the internet," said Judge Fayeeza Kathree-Setiloane.

If a permanent interdict was granted that forbade the display of the painting or copies of it, "how will this court monitor compliance?" she asked a packed court that included several of Zuma's children and ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe.

Opponents say the artist's depiction of Zuma is racist and an insult to the president, while supporters justify the painting on grounds of freedom of expression protected by the Constitution.

The Goodman Gallery closed indefinitely on Tuesday after two protesters smeared red and black paint over parts of the painting showing Zuma's face and genitals. The pair appeared in court on Wednesday.

Outside the court a few hundred ANC supporters wearing the party's green, gold and black colours sang and danced, while the trial was broadcast on a big screen.

Police cordoned off roads around the building and Umkhonto we Sizwe soldiers and riot police guarded the entrance.

Comments
  • Peter-Peter - 2012-05-24 14:11

    I would love to know...from a black person please...why this piece is labeled as being 'racist'

      Tax - 2012-05-24 14:18

      Sganja your stupidity is astounding. You would make an excellent ANC minister.

      Henri - 2012-05-24 14:18

      either way this case is going, the judge will be branded as racist, this will be appealled and appealled til it turns into something in a corner turned green.

      melania.nel - 2012-05-24 14:20

      Ayanda Mabula did paint eugene. As well as a naked zuma. I am with peter, only now its racist when a white dude does it.

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 14:21

      @sganja: Can you tell me who painted this? http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg?w=640 Idiot...

      Johnny - 2012-05-24 14:22

      @Sganja - then what about this painting by a black man ?? http://worldart.co.za/news/

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 14:22

      Sganja and JohnSloan are the same black guy posing as two people. Just ignore these attention-seeking trolls please !!!

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-24 14:23

      Sganja - are you sitting smoking weed all day because your comments get dumber & dumber every day!

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 14:24

      @sganja - I am looking for the "bitchslap" button on this site!!!!

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 14:30

      @Peter-Peter What message are you sending to people?In south africa we have different beliefs (culture) and according to constitution every person has a right to do something he believe is right for him/her.It was wrong for Brett to make that spear because Zuma is a polygamy.truly speaking Brett has undermine Africans..

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-24 14:31

      Nomkhosi, he was thrown out of the ANC already. Didn't you get the memo?

      Jayb - 2012-05-24 14:33

      there is nothing wrong with this piece, another way of misuing our tax money by goverment. if Brett did it for his art he deserve some award but if there was racial or political motives he must go to hell where his racists accestors are. we cant always question art.

      Johnny - 2012-05-24 14:33

      @Sganja - you idiot !! Not about polygamy... its about him still sleeping with other woman that his not married to !! Or is adultery your culture ???

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 14:34

      @Sganja: I am SURE the picture is meant to say that a person who's PERSONAL NEEDS (the spear - representing the first natural needs: getting married over and over, having affairs, etc...) comes first while at the same time he is looking to become a dictator..! Makes a bit of sense to me! Not necessarily a polygamist! But this IS a good start for you - you are starting to try and decode what the paiting is all about! Well done!!! Keep trying though!!!

      Timothy - 2012-05-24 14:37

      @ Sganja Spot on boet, you nailed it huh? Genius! What about the black oak that who made the painting that was worse than the white oaks one that disrespected A president and a holy man by exposing his manhood?

      Wake - 2012-05-24 14:38

      okay seriously, can someone please explain to me why is there no fuss about Ayanda Mabulu's painting http://www.artvault.co.za/view.php?cid=259&pg=1&ob=artists.sname&od=0&id=33473 ? he also exposed JZ.

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-24 14:41

      Sganja, and what about the group making that painting with Hellen, Eugene, Zapiro etc...is that now a direct attack on whites then? -ie, a direct 'racist' (if you view the painting as being an attack on blacks). My argument is that the black populous LOOK for fights, they LOOK for faults and blame whites, they harbor resentment and the only way you can show it, is by calling ANYTHING that you guys just cant swallow and move on, racist. This piece was done very cleverly, and the message behind it (ie: Lady Justice, by Zapiro, the rape charge and all the corruption...the unconstitutional behavior FROM OUR VERY OWN PREZ...the piece makes perfect sense and is political satire.

      rechelleenvictor.heldsinger - 2012-05-24 14:41

      Sganja !!!!!!!!! Where the hell do you get your information! I'm so sick and tired of some blacks playing the ag shame apartheid card, its not even funny. I bet you were born after 1994. Please grow up, and get your facts straight, before you accuse someone of something they have done, and they cannot even stand up for themselves!

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 14:46

      @Peter-Peter -Was that necessary?To expose someone especially the President genitals solve any of those mentioned things?I think he should have done something else not exposing his manhood.

      aarchaic - 2012-05-24 14:46

      And in this portrait... http://fast.mediamatic.nl/f/gsbt/image/857/31470-620-465.jpg I see Mugabe, nelson mandela, desmond tutu ( Naked and having his bits shown), fw de klerk, the pope... Why has this not hit the news like zuma????? bloody double standards!!!

      Lorain - 2012-05-24 14:50

      @ Sganja well put,very well put and also @ Peter-Peter because we all know that if Zuma was white,regardless of his flaws this would have never ever ever happened

      Lorain - 2012-05-24 14:52

      @ JohnSloan I fully agree and wehat irks me even more is that even though they still enjoy more rights than we do they still feel hard done by.

      tshepo.diswane - 2012-05-24 15:02

      Sorry Peter-Peter, he used this painting a tool to deliver the racist message, why did he choose the state president over his biological father?

      Bambanani - 2012-05-24 15:11

      this stupid judge,we didnt ask for technicalities of how this will be stopped,it was not difficult to ban people and organization during his era of apartheid and now is difficult.

      Bullard - 2012-05-24 15:12

      Apparently its racist because the ANC says so......>>>so de all follow and share ideas cuz ppl lack logic thinkn for themselves

      Hannes - 2012-05-24 15:15

      @Sganja, google this black dude's art, Ayanda Mabulu, then repeat your comment...

      robbie.crouch - 2012-05-24 15:16

      That is why it is being heard by a panel of judges... so far they seem to be in agreement.

      rbphiri - 2012-05-24 15:17

      Ladies and Gentlemen this is the longest time a penis has withstood the test of time, by standing firm in media headlines. But this is a political epiphany for the ruling party, that inevitably they will be castrated through votes. The content of the picture has no racial under tone what so ever, but the general consensus is that no one would want their genitals exposed as if this is the garden of Eden. Look public disobedience such as service delivery protests failed in changing and improving poor service delivery in its totality, i think more radical drastic measures get the governments attention, look how much focus there is on the portrait. We need drastic measures to also bring the E-toll system to an end, perhaps naked pictures of political officials who have shares in the E-toll? Pictures convey our frustration, but we need to personify the broader picture by translating them into votes. The ANC want the picture removed, let us honour their wishes by removing them out of the picture in the 2014 elections.

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-24 15:19

      Sganja, the message behind the painting is that he has 'screwed' his way to presidency. • He has tried rewriting screwing with) the constitution to suit his needs. • He hires people with criminal records in places that they were initially put in place to protect and prevent, but with corruption being the order of the day..... • He doesn't approve of democratic votes, unless its elections. the list goes on of complete and utter abuse...hence the reason for the painting

      Nosiphom - 2012-05-24 15:20

      I'm black and I am yet to figure out!

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 15:21

      @Peter-Peter Really?Does the picture unite South Africans?

      Nosiphom - 2012-05-24 15:22

      Sgaja, maybe Brett has undermined you as a person. You are not a spokesperson for Africans - just speak for yourself and those around you. @Zoolie - they will have difficulty branding her a racist because judging from her surname, she is married to a darkie - lol!

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-24 15:23

      the painting was never made to 'unite' South Africans, it is an artists voice, that you guys just cant seem to handle...because its become a race issue, thanks to the ANC

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 15:26

      Ok Peter-Peter I rest my case...

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 15:27

      @Nosiphom As SOUTH AFRICANS sorry...

      David - 2012-05-24 15:28

      @Sganja-I am hardly a fan of Terreblanche and his ilk-but do you have proof that he abused young kids? As regards the painting why do you bring race into it? Are you incapable of rational debate without resorting to racist diatribes?

      Bullard - 2012-05-24 15:32

      Okay, ppl that agrees this paintn is racist because a white dude A.K.A (an Artistic Genuis!!:)) painted Zumaz dick, please explain how the paintin of the entire ANC head leaders naked to da core, done by a black artist in CapeTown. what do we call dat paintin??....since its highly ignored......an take time to think about this.....:p:p

      Jack - 2012-05-24 15:42

      not only the internet, but also world news!!! From today's Taipei Times: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2012/05/24/2003533619

      jaco.duplessis2 - 2012-05-24 16:00

      @Sganja - you still have not responded to the painting at http://worldart.co.za/news/ that was painted by a black artist - why is this not regarded as racist?

      nmateke - 2012-05-24 16:02

      Peter, I really cannot tell, but however I worry that his culture is being undermined, not unless I could talk to Marruy's hear his deep aspiration that brought to this. Otherwise Its just offensive to me, I wouldn't like to see any father painted in this manner.

      rob.prestwich - 2012-05-24 16:08

      Simple really Peter, it's, at the end of the day, about votes.

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-24 16:12

      Sganja - hang on a second... read what you wrote again. "according to constitution every person has a right to do something he believe is right for him/her. It was wrong for Brett to make that spear" Firstly you say that everyone has a right to do something they believe is right, and then fall off the donkey cart by saying Brett was wrong... in your opinion, maybe. In the rest of the educated South Africans opinions, maybe not. 10 points for Contradicting yourself! bravo.

      clive.mntambo - 2012-05-24 16:13

      Peter! in your own interpretation what does this potrait seeks to convey artisticly?

      Goodies - 2012-05-24 16:17

      The painting is not racist becuase it painted a naked Zuma. It is racist because it is based on preconceived prejudicial ideas held by whites about black people having uncontrolable libidos and sexual urges. Many leaders the world all over have been painted naked before (even here in SA) but none with their genitals hanging out. The artist could have painted a naked Zuma in a more respectful way and still conveyed whatever message he wanted to convey. Now no one even understands the message anymore... it got lost in translation. Just look at most of the comments here and you will see I am right.

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-24 16:43

      Clive, Im an artist, and being around art and speaking to other artists constantly, i can pick up things far more easily than the average Joe, and saying that, every person sees art in their own minds interpretation. The artwork in my eyes, yes, is an attack, BUT an attack on the people in charge, ie - the prez. It just so happens to be, that the prez is black...nothing more. I said in another comment, that it is an attack on the way that things are being run in this country. The term 'rape' can be used in multiple ways here. He has essentially broken our democratic rights, our constitution. Have you heard the term 'screwed'? as in 'that guy got screwed over' or 'that car is screwed', its another way of saying 'broken'. So the prez has done nothing more than brake/screw our constitutional rights. We are a democratic country...ie-when laws get passed, they are meant to be democratically voted upon. BUT we have a prez, who wants us to shut up and just take it. To just ACCEPT the wrong doings (as blatantly as possible it seems). It has gone too far and we are border-lining becoming a communist state...who the hell wants to live in a world like that? The artists of today s times with the turmoil in this country, have very strong voices. so, in my eyes, the artist was indeed incredibly clever...the guys painting the other piece in retaliation against The Spear, are indeed, also very clever people. Its the people of SA and race that are the problem here.

      kagiso.nuru - 2012-05-24 16:50

      i don't know why, but from my point of view jz's 'spear' is basically depicting his numerous wives, children, mistresses and scandals. the guy is a notorious womaniser and rapist. they just missed the shower head though.

      Phillip - 2012-05-24 18:17

      I am black and beutiful. I can not give you an answer as I do not know how to link this matter to racism than to RESPECT.

      punungwe - 2012-05-24 19:28

      The painting is not racist. The whole claim that Zuma's behaviour is perfectly acceptable in African culture, hence criticising him amounts to racial criticism of Africans is simply not supported by the facts. The facts are Zuma has paid damages (inhlawulo), a fine designed to punish philandering in terms of African culture, for impregnating Irvine Khoza's daughter. Let me put it this way, if a man pays a fine for adultery it does not mean adultery is acceptable in Western culture. It is not Brett Murray who is making a mockery of African culture, but it is Jacob Zuma who is making of African culture. He is trying to imply that reckless philandering is a normal part of African culture when it is not.

      Dumisani - 2012-05-24 19:49

      You could have done ANYTHING Mr artist but GENITALIA is a big insult in isiZulu. We dance and show off our breasts but NEVER GENITALIA. I can bet you my last dollAR EXPERIENCE tells black persons that there is absolute disregard of our culture and therefore looking down upon black people = racism

      tony.wardle.75 - 2012-05-24 22:01

      Peter, to answer your question, EVERYTHING THE ANC, OR IT'S SUPOTTAS DON'T LIKE IS RACIST. Let me give you an example, if judge says something they don't like, it's racist. If a rule doesn't suit them it's racist. Racist in their vocabulary, could be replaced with inter Alia, colonialist, western, apartheid, wealthy, DA ( they are particularly obsessed with the DA, think they are making moves on Helen Zille or hoping to get some sage advice) ...... But in short, if we don't like it .... call it racist. If the car breaks down, its racist. If we get a sore tummy, the tummy is racist. Of course, when it comes to people, only Eurocentric folk and members of Cope, ID, DA AND IFP are allowed to be racist. And that about answers the question...

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-25 12:39

      lol @ Tony, nicely said guy

      deon.kruger2 - 2012-05-25 13:07

      What I don't get was when Afriforum took JuJu to court for singing "Shoot the boer" it was not a waste of tax payers money according to most News24 readers now ANC takes Brett Murray to court and it is a waist of cash is that no hypocritical

  • Antipoaching - 2012-05-24 14:12

    what are MK doing guarding our Courts? This is the duty of the SAPS not a disbanded revolutionary army

      Tax - 2012-05-24 14:20

      The term army should be reserved for actual disciplined, trained soldiers...

      Jan - 2012-05-24 14:21

      My guess, free food and stuff.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 14:23

      We are NOT disbanded.....Where did you get this from. MK lives forever.

      Stirrer - 2012-05-24 14:28

      Oh, the irony... Mkhonto we Sizwe means "THE SPEAR of the nation"... BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-05-24 14:39

      Ha ha. Replace white fascism with black fascism. You should really spend a bit more time looking at how your own leaders are robbing you blind and doing nothing to help the people who need it most.

      Johnny - 2012-05-24 14:40

      @Stirrer - Brilliant !! Now whenever we hear the word "MK" it will be associated with his "Spear"

      Freddie - 2012-05-24 14:41

      I was also astonished to see that comment. MK soldiers have no legal right at all to enforce any restrictions publicly, only the police can do that. Even the SANDF cannot do so without parliamentary permission. Banana republic status confirmed!

      Timothy - 2012-05-24 14:41

      @ Nkululeko Racial tendencies there huh?

      John - 2012-05-24 14:45

      Let us be honest, MK apart from blowing the odd pub up, was on a par with The Salvation Army as a military formation. The Salvation Army does good by waging "war" on social problems whereas MK only auditions for Strictly Come Dancing.

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-24 15:01

      Nkululeko - I AM WHITE AND I AM ALSO AFRICAN! STFU RETARD! GET OVER THE PAST AND LOOK TO THE FUTURE! Tamaranui - Arnt you supposed to be hijacking someone? Why are you still trolling this forum!

      Sekalf - 2012-05-24 15:15

      @Nukulululekuko - dominate - not dorminate - with you brain capacity I would be careful to generalize and using the word 'WE'. Many Africans would be pissed off to be part of 'your' group' because they are intelligent and educated. There is a Africa where all races pull on one string, work for one goal and respect each other. You are certainly not part of this - you are backward!

      mart.botha - 2012-05-24 15:19

      at Nkululeko.....have you ever considered that in 1976 the ANC parents of those poor children may have thrust them into a front line, ultimately to be slaughtered like sheep. They were perhaps prepared to sacrifice their children because MK never proved they had the balls to win a war. Without a decision by people with a vision to unban the ANC, the status quo may even have still been raging on today.

      Nigel - 2012-05-24 15:20

      Anyone who has ever been in any true conventional combat in a legitimate force knows exactly what MK is. So please don't try and impress us with MK. Many of us know exactly what they are. The words 'completely insignificant' comes to mind.

      Chris - 2012-05-24 15:20

      @Nkululeko: I take it you pro e-tolls, pro division between rich and poor which are the latest your great government has brought to the country. Sounds like YOU the one with THE PROBLEM.

      David - 2012-05-24 15:29

      Army? they couldn't defeat a fruit hawkers stand.

  • Colin - 2012-05-24 14:15

    lmao @ several of Zuma's Children!

      Dale - 2012-05-24 14:33

      THE PAINTING DOES ZUMA RIGHT.. SHOWS THAT HE CANT KEEP IT IN THIS PANTS HAHAH

      Freddie - 2012-05-24 14:42

      Tamaranui, still acting like anyone cares about your myopic views, I see.

      Tgif - 2012-05-24 15:06

      Zuma's Children are the start of Rolling mass action ?

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-24 15:22

      What if the artist said the face is open to interpretation ? It could be a number of folks, maybe not even a South African? All art is open to interpretation and opinion - that is the point of art and especially satirical art. The ANC are using this whole episode to paint Zuma as a victim and to curry sympathy with the ignorant masses - and they are achieving this aim no matter the outcome of the court ruling. On the MK thing - this is sinister. This is a THIRD FORCE! For sure. We were told MK was integrated into the SANDF. Now we see they are a private military force - who sanctioned that , how is it funded, what licenses exist to carry weapons, where is the training conducted, what are the powers bestowed on such a unit ?????? Many more questions here and THIS is a bigger issue that the damn painting!

  • Patricia - 2012-05-24 14:16

    hah hah hah this whole spectacle is a joke!!!!!! waste of taxpayers money!!

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-24 14:25

      i wonder if the ANC would carry on like they do in court if they were paying out of their pockets? Too easy to waste tax-payers money in this country!

      Matthew - 2012-05-24 14:41

      Thanks ANC =/

      Kent - 2012-05-24 16:25

      @ Tamaranui. Thanks for nothing

  • Dave - 2012-05-24 14:17

    That last sentence may be one of the most chilling things I have read in a very long time.

      Freddie - 2012-05-24 14:43

      Tamaranui, you need to understand legal rights more.

      Nick - 2012-05-24 15:05

      Don't hold your breath Dave, it's only the MK !

      Fourhundredkg - 2012-05-24 15:17

      But where is the ANCYL and COSATU?

      Tax - 2012-05-24 16:05

      @400kg probably at KFC. Or Nandos.

  • Zimbobwe - 2012-05-24 14:18

    Why ban the painting, this is what Zuma and his genitals stands for. His genitals have been exposed to a lotta different cakes so what is the problem. His genitals are used to exposure!!! Actually he is supposed to be walking naked and ready for action.

      fani.masemola1 - 2012-05-24 14:21

      @Zimbobwe KwaaKwaaKwaaa,this is the good one

      Merven - 2012-05-24 14:35

      @Tamaranui, because Mugabe is not our president and is not raping our country.

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-05-24 14:36

      Mugabe doesn't have any balls. Everybody knows that. Part of the reason for his megalomania

      Fourhundredkg - 2012-05-24 15:18

      The painting is a fake anyway. Zuma does not have any balls!

      minkizana - 2012-05-24 15:22

      uyadakwa wena

  • mmanonose - 2012-05-24 14:19

    Respect.....

      rupert.jones.12 - 2012-05-24 14:23

      .... the constitution By attacking freedom of artistic expression, you're also attacking freedom from discrimination on the basis of race, the right to collective bargaining, the right to vote in free and fair elections, etc etc.

      Press - 2012-05-24 14:46

      Exactly - at least Zuma should be given his moment in Court this time so that he can prove that it is indeed his service pistol that has been painted - to remove any doubt about the validity of his injury claim . . .

      Al - 2012-05-24 22:25

      Respect is earned. Zuma has to earn our respect, he certainly does not do this in the ways he goes around with woman. The painting is accurately portraying his philandering ways.

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2012-05-24 14:23

    That's it South Africa!!! This is all ridiculous, at what point will we stand up and turn our backs to these people, this whole thing is one giant political stunt, your taxes are paying for lawyers to try get a court to go against our constitution and ban a painting that has already been distributed everywhere then partially destroyed. They are using this to create racial tension, so ANC and DA idiots can fight about racial connotations that do not exist, and lift the president to a god status who cannot be challenged, like its blasphemy! Who is leading our country right now, what is happening about the high crime rate and corruption, what are we going to do about our education or slumping employment?!! The petrol price?!!! For gods sake, it is you the consumers of this crap news that are making it the focus, so everything else uncomfortable can be ignored and your leaders can laugh, drink wine and eat cake at the end of the day while we all slowly starve to death... We must focus our attention on throwing these useless leaders out, and not skinnering about their private parts! SKAAM!!!

      Matthew - 2012-05-24 14:43

      Well written. Hit the hammer right on the nail there!

      Erna - 2012-05-24 14:50

      I would sincerely hope that my taxes are not being used by the ANC and Zuma. This is a personal vendetta, not a government one!!

      Angle - 2012-05-24 15:51

      Since when has the DA tried to fight about "racial connotations". This has nothing to do with the DA; this is about artistic expression vs personal dignity. The ANC brings race into everything because this is their election platform - how they get votes.

  • jmareletse - 2012-05-24 14:25

    What a waste of time and our tax mxm...

      Chris - 2012-05-24 15:14

      hello

  • Dave - 2012-05-24 14:27

    @peter-peter, from a black man...there's absolutely nothing racist about the portrait but the issue is around "ubuntu" just like you will never walk into somebody's house with your shoes full of mud.

  • Stacey - 2012-05-24 14:29

    This is pathetic. South Africa feels like a circus sometimes with a bunch of clowns as the ring leaders. How about reacting like Helen Zille and laughing it off? "William ANCYL" posted an offensive picture of her on facebook and she made a joke about it rather than taking the guy to court. Probably a more mature and intelligent thing to do. The ANC have actually just made Murray's career for him. Controversy to an artist is first prize, so well done to the ANC for making Brett Murray a house hold name in SA.

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-24 21:01

      Everybody assumes this image is of Jacob Zuma. That's a bit far fetched but, if the shoe fits, wear it!

  • Nomfundo - 2012-05-24 14:29

    I am black and African, there is nothing racist about this painting. This is work of art depicting how we view Zuma because of the way he carries himself in public. Mandela was known for reconciliation and will forever be remembered for that; Thabo Mbeki was know for African rennessaince and denialism over HIV/AIDS and he will always be remembered for those two; and Zuma is known for his unsatisfiable sexual appetite and corruption and we will always remember him for that. The painting is just reflecting what we already know about Zuma and what he also knows about himself, finish & klaar as Jackie Selebi once said.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 14:37

      Who's we , I don't see our President in this disrespectful way.

      Merven - 2012-05-24 14:37

      Now you'll be called a coconut!

      Lerato - 2012-05-24 14:41

      Agreed

      rechelleenvictor.heldsinger - 2012-05-24 14:49

      Well said Nomfundo! dont understand why everything always has to be about racism, honestly some people needs to grow up! Dont we all just want to live in a Country, without corruption, without violence! We have such a beautiful country, but yet everyone always wants to see the bad, and act like hooligans!

      blipsie - 2012-05-24 14:53

      @ Tamaraniu. I'm sure you cant see him that way when your head is so far up....... @ Nomfundo, well put!

      Nkululeko - 2012-05-24 15:00

      @Nomfundo, udakiwe wena udlala ukubhejwa amabhunu. Just because you are "Democracy", you were born long 1994 or maybe your parents or you were wiping the whites arses, that is why you don't understand what the painting mean to a black South African.

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-24 15:04

      WELL SAID Nomfundo - HOLD YOUR HEAD UP HIGH! YOU SHOULD BE PROUD YOU HAVE NOT BEEN FOOLED BY ANC PROPAGANDA!

      minkizana - 2012-05-24 15:19

      Kahle bo Nomfundo wakhuluma as if uZuma ayikho into enhle ayenzile????/ kuyahlupha ukufunda bo or let me say u understander too much

      jameslarhu - 2012-05-24 15:22

      @ Nkululeko, if that painting was of a white person, would it have meant so much to you?

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-24 20:47

      @tamaranui, look at yourself in the mirror and you will see exactly what are being talked about. If you need some coke glasses, I will gladly provide under my BEE tender

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:10

      Be careful you will now be branded as a racist!

  • Johnny - 2012-05-24 14:30

    If SA had a respectable person in the driving seat, none of this would have happened. No racial slurs, cross blaming etc. Now take a look and see what the president of the ANC with his scandalous lifestyle induced !!! The artist is just portraying how many in the country feels !!

  • TshilidziPhuravhathu - 2012-05-24 14:30

    Wait dont these hundreds of people who are always protesting out side courts have jobs to go to? Instead of wasting time on the streets or maybe that bell hasnt rung yet...

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 14:38

      hehehehhe....I am free to protest.

      Lazarus - 2012-05-24 14:45

      Mybe they will get tenders at the end of it all...

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 15:18

      Maybe they are there so that the ANC can see the faces of the unemployed.

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:12

      I think the big problem for Zuma is that he could not give the tender to show his penis to his fellow members!

  • Enlight - 2012-05-24 14:30

    You all sit around this bonfire, drinking indulgently from a common soiled cup, belching the rot you were fed by your forefathers who amassed all for your insatiable desire of comfort at the expense of the common man, who, as you tap each other's shoulders in wild laughter and jest, sharing your false convictions, he stands on the periphery, unable to cast his opinion on these matters making you foolhardy believe, in these groups, you make sense.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 14:38

      huh ??

      John - 2012-05-24 14:51

      Are you trying to emulate Shakespeare?

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-24 20:50

      @enlight, you really should change your name because clearly there is no light switched on by you!

  • molise.moloi.7 - 2012-05-24 14:32

    Racism is the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races. Everyone here that refers to one group as uneducated is displaying racist behaviour according to the explanation of the term 'racism'

      Merven - 2012-05-24 14:41

      Go back to school uneducated idiot.

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-24 14:46

      erm molisi . . . .the clue lies in 'intrinsically'.

      Amused - 2012-05-24 15:44

      No it isnt !!! The fact that people dont even know what racism is is the biggest part of the problem. Racism is acting in a prejudicial way against a person / persons of a certain race, based on assumptions that all people of that race act in that way (Overly simplified i accept). If 60% of all white-collar crime is committed by whites, and i say that whites are responsible for the majority of white-collar crime, that is factually correct and not racist. If i then say that all whites, or any particular white is guilty of white-collar crime because he/she/they are white, that is racist, because i am treating that person(s) according to my asumptions, and not the reality of who/what they are as an individual. This is the huge problem, you can be critical of a black person, or even black culture and not be racist, so long as you are dealing with specifics, and not generalisations or stereo-types. In SA, alas, anything critical of anyone black is deemed racist, and that, frankly, is nonsense. We all have faults, none of us are perfect, we all deserve, at times, to be criticised. We all need to grow up !!!!!!

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-24 18:44

      Molise, you are wrong. Being more educated than someone and pointing it out is just that, nothing racist about it. If you do not have an education (or you have a certificate that you received with 30% marks but are still unable to read, rite and to rithmentics), you are uneducated. There is a way to change that, it is called going to school and learning.

  • Aj - 2012-05-24 14:33

    This painting is not racist. it is disrespectful and in bad taste. We are a racist society where racism is used by and against everyone for their own gain. Being non-racist in this country is impossible. The media, the government and the people are all guilty. What a waste

  • DrGonzoSA - 2012-05-24 14:34

    @JohnSloan And the black ultra-rich? We often hear about the wealth distribution between black and white. I would love to see the breakdown of the distribution of black wealth. There are plenty of rich black people. The simple fact is that the ruling party are not looking after their own people. Then conveniently blaming whites/apatheid/racism. Mixing up class issues and racial issues is silly and does nothing to address the fundamental problems.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 14:40

      They look after me and my family.....So what are you talking about ??

      Tax - 2012-05-24 16:11

      @Tamaranui arent you ashamed that you have to live off government handouts? Try working.

  • singh.shalin - 2012-05-24 14:34

    It's called the Streisand Effect. Perhaps they should Google it.

      Werner - 2012-05-24 14:42

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

  • Justin - 2012-05-24 14:34

    I predict that Siener Van Rensburg was right. Our attitude to black people that gave us the olive branch after oppressing them for more than 300 years of oppression is one day going to get us killed. Our elitist and superiour attitude forgetting that we are actually in Africa, the land of the Africans will one day, mark my words..our blood spilling in the streets, and no western (white) government will intervene. Go on with your attitude.. our days are numbered. You heard it from me.. Justin!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 14:43

      Attitudes need to change for this Democratic RSA.

      Merven - 2012-05-24 14:44

      Bla bla bla, Siener never had that vision. He did had a vision of whites being killed by blacks, and that the whites will stand up and be victorious with help from Europe.

      Mark - 2012-05-24 15:08

      Don't believe everything you read Justin, also prophesies are notoriously difficult to verify. And by the way our "elitist and superior attitude" is what turned Africa from nothing into what it is today - a continent of "independent" African states, begging bowls in one hand, plagued by war, disease, tribalism and malnutrition. But feel free to go with your gut feel.....

      Adam - 2012-05-25 07:02

      Grow up! If you think that is the truth then when it happens, Are you going to stand at the front of the minority and be killed first? Or are you going down with a fight?

  • Timothy - 2012-05-24 14:35

    ahhh,... thanks news24 for that quick summary, so much has happened in the last few days that my small brain couldn't handle remembering it all (you guys see what I did there... made fun of myself..just a hint)

  • desmond.joshua2 - 2012-05-24 14:35

    nkululeko,what a stupid name in the first place,and we are just as sick and tired(tires to necklace)of you scum

      nchadi.ntsimane - 2012-05-24 15:06

      @kardollie never ever say a word about african names, they might sound bit weird to you but the meaning is deep. Nkululeko is a beautiful name.

  • Chené - 2012-05-24 14:35

    I think this government forgets what "The Struggle" was all about! Nelson Mandela must be so ashamed of what this country has become. SAD

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 14:45

      We understand the struggle what we dislike is the continous disparaging of our Struggle. You now have insight into what Rev. Mandela is thinking.

      Chené - 2012-05-24 15:50

      well good luck to you if you think we live in a country that treat everyone equally!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-05-24 14:36

    Umkhonto we Sizwe soldiers guarding the entrance?? since when were they a recognized military force? sounds like the same sort of thing the ZANU PF were doing shortly before that country went to the dogs (sorry my canine friends its just an expression)

      Mark - 2012-05-24 15:13

      No problem, sure they'll understand - the canines I mean. Umkhonto couldn't guard a hole in the ground - they did all their "soldiering" from the safety of the UN, as did Swapo and all the rest of the "freedom fighters". Sheesh.

  • Justin - 2012-05-24 14:36

    I predict that Siener Van Rensburg was right. Our attitude to black people that gave us the olive branch after oppressing them for more than 300 years of oppression is one day going to get us killed. Our elitist and superiour attitude forgetting that we are actually in Africa, the land of the Africans will one day, mark my words..our blood spilling in the streets, and no western (white) government will intervene. Go on with your attitude.. our days are numbered. You heard it from me.. Justin!

      thulanit3 - 2012-05-24 14:41

      Well said sir, sad reality!

      neels.swart.7 - 2012-05-24 14:43

      We are going to fight back while you are hiding underneath your bed with wet pants and Africa belongs to God not to anyone else

      neels.swart.7 - 2012-05-24 14:43

      We are going to fight back while you are hiding underneath your bed with wet pants and Africa belongs to God not to anyone else

      neels.swart.7 - 2012-05-24 14:43

      We are going to fight back while you are hiding underneath your bed with wet pants and Africa belongs to God not to anyone else

      Ben - 2012-05-24 15:08

      I'll get my chair and watch the racists from both sides kill each other and leave the country to forward thinking folks. "Siener" van Rensburg was a racist old fart.

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-24 15:18

      JUSTIN STRAIGHT TO THE LUNIE BIN WITH YOU! THAT OR ZUMA'S SHOWER!

  • Terence - 2012-05-24 14:39

    MK "soldiers" guarding the entrance? If this is the case then they are no different from the AWB thugs of old. Why have the Police not forced them to leave? We don`t need another lot of undisciplined has-beens running around playing at Rambo!!

      Mark - 2012-05-24 15:16

      The SAPS didn't have any petrol, or weapons, or anybody available who could both walk and talk at the same time.

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:15

      Maybe MK was given the tender to guard the courts?

  • don9000 - 2012-05-24 14:39

    Umkhonto we Sizwe still exists?!

      Ze Don - 2012-05-24 14:58

      Also known as: the ANC running club ;-)

      Mark - 2012-05-24 15:17

      Only in the ANC's minds, and their own of course. Better then being illegal miners, or hijackers, or sitting at home in front of the TV I guess.

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-24 21:10

      The ANC have [I heard] set up 'youth brigade training camps'. Probably modeled on the Hitler youth or the Russian youth orientation system. In a word - a private military wing being readied for future use. If what I heard is true, this is a very sinister development now that we have actually seen MK soldiers in our streets! Public Protector - what have you to say on this topic?

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:16

      We always said it stands for: Die kont wil sweets hê.

  • Hannes - 2012-05-24 14:40

    remember this come next elections and you decide you are not in the mood to go stand in a line.... "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors". Plato .....and this is Plato's racist comment, I just quoted it :).....

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 15:22

      Plato sounds like Pluto on this One....

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:17

      What a nice voting board this painting will be!

  • VWhitepaw - 2012-05-24 14:40

    And we start again/still with the cry of racism. Show me how it is racism. Remember, failing to do so proofs you are a racist. It is to me immoral and an invasion on JZ. But should it be ban/cencored? On what grounds? Are the next thing we ban/cencor Michelangelo's David statue. Or the nude garden statues you buy at the garden shops. I'm still laughing that they want to remove it from the internet. Once on the internet, forever on the internet. And how are they going to inforce it. Going to go to other countries around the world and say our court says you have to remove the picture?

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-05-24 14:41

    So Umkhonto we Sizwe is also there? Am I right in saying 'Umkhonto we Sizwe' means 'SPEAR OF THE NATION'? I rest my case!!

  • Roy - 2012-05-24 14:42

    Sganja,where does your 'spear" sit? People like you are to stupid to see the problems that are caused by Zuma and why no one has respect for the "maaifoedie"

  • Ringeta - 2012-05-24 14:44

    It is racist because another person of another race did it and he did not Hellen zille brothers at WC government.

  • Danny - 2012-05-24 14:45

    The ANC and Zuma are on a hiding to nothing here. The fact that the right to dignity only applies to people is moot. Zuma is an animal.

  • Dale - 2012-05-24 14:45

    DILLIGAF

  • mthabine.justice - 2012-05-24 14:45

    what a waste of time and money! Zuma's lawyers should have known this!

  • Xolane - 2012-05-24 14:45

    President Zuma is an individual also, he has the right to be treated with dignity and respect. This painting is a way of mocking him and challenging his integrity and humanity. Our country comes from a difficult time of apartheid. It has left this nation sacared and with tremendous hurt. With paintings like these it is an insult to all africans Mr Zuma is an idol a respectable figure, a role model. We should know what is freedom of expression and this is not it. It is things like these that remind me that our nation is still divided there is still racist people who want to show how racist they are. They have no place is our land. It is every South African's duty to deffend our freedom and do what ever it takes to eradicate notions of racism.

      stefan.vanrensburg.94 - 2012-05-24 15:02

      Then the President himself should have been the applicant and not the ANC. Through the ages of humankind people's actions were noticed by others and those others reacted to it, positively or negatively. Consider that the mutual insults are flying all over the place anyway and it should be clear to everybody that nobody can under the circumstances dare to play the racism card...

      cyntay - 2012-05-24 18:15

      you say "Mr Zuma is an idol a respectable figure, a role model" if that were the case the how come so many people see him as opposite not just whites, black, colourds, Indians and many other colours you care to name.. I for one don't consider him a role model that i wish my children to emulate. he is a man that has no respect for his wives how many he may have. if it did he would not be having sex with women who are not one of his wives. he would not put his wives at risk becoming HIV+ because he sleeps with a women he knows to be HIV+. he showed his ignorance when he told the court he took a shower to prevent AIDS.. that is just the tip if the iceberg.. come out of your cacoon and see as a butterfly will see. Respect is something that is earned not a given right. I had high hopes when Apartheid ended.. i hoped to see a further where everyone would get on with each other. But i see such a lot of hatred. reverse racism against people who were not even born during the apartheid era.. and I certainly do not look up to Zuma as a God or idol!! that is insulting to God and many people's idols..

  • thabo.molakeng - 2012-05-24 14:48

    mzanzi for sure

  • Tinus - 2012-05-24 14:48

    The truth hurts, everybody (except some)knows the ANC is giving SA a good and proper screwing and the painting is only showing us the tool that did it.

  • Rory - 2012-05-24 14:49

    Haha, its funny because he's black and he's the president, and he's been disrespected in public by a mlungu artist. Ah, yes, they may take our land, but they'll never take our, "SENSE OF HUMOUR"!

      Mark - 2012-05-24 15:20

      Thanks Rory, my point exactly. You've got to love both this country and the jokers who run it because they're a constant source of amusement. Spear of the Nation, Mother of the Nation, dipstick of the world......

  • neels.swart.7 - 2012-05-24 14:51

    It looks like the black people is cross with the white people because the black judge made the ruling in court what did we do wrong

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-24 14:52

    Using the judge's argument Dubula ibhunu is also difficult to ban.

      stefan.vanrensburg.94 - 2012-05-24 15:05

      The song is sung by people. The painting image is spread by global technology.

  • alexander.cieslik - 2012-05-24 14:53

    The picture can never be banned. Everywhere in the world it has been exposed. Some are even taking advantage and having t-shirts printed with the Spear. How will the ANC ever stop people abroad from wearing the Spear on T-shirts. Unfortunately Mr Zuma is no role model for any culture. This picture will live on forever around the globe.

      Blaine - 2012-05-24 15:15

      What is going to happen next?

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:19

      Maybe a condom on the spear?

  • Mark - 2012-05-24 14:56

    I really, really hope that the judge does the right thing and throws this application out of court, with costs, as it's a waste of my, and your, tax money better spent in probably a thousand other ways. This is frankly ridiculous and making a mockery of our judicial system.

      pule.moticoe - 2012-05-24 15:04

      What if was you or your dad. Would you still say the same thing?

      Rory - 2012-05-24 15:10

      Pule, Zuma may well may be my dad at the rate he whores himself around.....

      Mark - 2012-05-24 15:22

      Pule, my dad would've had more sense than to make a public fool of himself, on an ongoing basis. In fact so would anybody I can think of but don't let me stop you.......

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:19

      My dad's spear would never have fitted on the painting!

  • lundil - 2012-05-24 14:56

    Lets just forget about this painting/racial issues and move forward. We got a message from how we view a president, so what? And whos gonna delete my wall of Jacob Vladmir Zuma from my screen saver.\r\n\r\nIm a Tax payer i work lots of overtime and my PAYE take almost 18% of my money... I feel very hurt to see my money goes to waste like this, kids are hungry out there, people need shelter, jobs, etc maan!!!\r\nMr President JVZ please prove us wrong turn a new leaf rite away! We need a good president!

      Werner - 2012-05-24 15:01

      It is more like 65% of your money Lundil....

  • fritz.louw - 2012-05-24 14:57

    It as a shame what that bloody english man wanted to do.

  • lundil - 2012-05-24 14:57

    Lets just forget about this painting/racial issues and move forward. We got a message from how we view a president, so what? And whos gonna delete my wall of Jacob Vladmir Zuma from my screen saver.\r\n\r\nIm a Tax payer i work lots of overtime and my PAYE take almost 18% of my money... I feel very hurt to see my money goes to waste like this, kids are hungry out there, people need shelter, jobs, etc maan!!!\r\nMr President JVZ please prove us wrong turn a new leaf rite away! We need a good president!

      ivan.frantz.3 - 2012-05-24 15:03

      Well said , I whole-heartedly agree, We have to move on to more important issues, If everybody could just think this way !!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 15:10

      Till the next detractor indulges their Biased opnions...No Thanks. Sort this out onece and for all.

  • thabo.vilakazi - 2012-05-24 14:59

    Sganja lets leave the colour out . Out decence and respect can you draw your father naked? Its good to have respect i think this one was done to gain publicity. This will not build our democracy and they are even adamant to remove it. This a personal attack to an elderly person

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 15:03

      I agree baba wami,indaba ukuthi labalungu bayahlupha and abananhlonipho.

      minkizana - 2012-05-24 15:10

      Yes it ws disrespect nje and maybe ths guy has a story to tell abt it

      Gigo - 2012-05-24 15:13

      @minkizana so wena uthi i right leya picture?

  • magomarele - 2012-05-24 15:00

    You know you're living in a banana republic when civil servants abandon their posts to toyi-toyi over a politician's penis whereas tax-payers are struggling to get services in hospitals, home affairs, traffic dept etc. You’ll never see these primitive games in developed world, no wonder poverty is rampant and service delivery protests are order of the day in S.A.

      minkizana - 2012-05-24 15:09

      Lol

      George Krillen - 2012-05-24 15:20

      yip only here in south africa

      Masindi - 2012-05-24 15:34

      u r confused u dont know what u r talking about

      colin.langley - 2012-05-24 16:14

      my god...the level of stupidity and blindly following the ANC is totally unbelievable....we should call them ostriches not trolls. They all have their heads buried in the sand. Ag shame...perfect position to get f**ked again and again and again by your own leaders....

      Francois - 2012-05-25 18:21

      Maybe they should sing "we demand a bigger spear!" when they have their march!

  • Len - 2012-05-24 15:00

    I heard the Brett Murray was a Christian. Christianity dictates fear of the Lord, Respect for each other, desist from contempt , ridicule, scorn, cynicism and sarcasm, and serve others. Brett Murray please review your own values. I cant judge you, i don't qualify to.

  • Timothy - 2012-05-24 15:01

    Sorry this has nothing to do with Zuma and his painting. But if African people are so proud and stuff.. why do many African women get weaves?

      thebe.tau - 2012-05-24 15:05

      That has got nothing to do with being proud, African women have always done something to their hair whether its dreadlocks,braiding, weave or bald, just like any woman of any race.

      minkizana - 2012-05-24 15:08

      what exactly do you mean?

      Gill.de.Villiers - 2012-05-24 15:10

      The same way that white women apply fake tan and inject fillers into their lips, wearing weaves is the only way that black woman can gave long, soft hair. Simple as that, and I feel for them c

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 15:11

      Huh.....???

      Gill.de.Villiers - 2012-05-24 15:12

      The same way that white women apply fake tan and inject fillers into their lips, wearing weaves is the only way that black woman can gave long, soft hair. Simple as that, and I feel for them cos the weaves get hot and sweaty, really not comfortable.

      Gill.de.Villiers - 2012-05-24 15:12

      The same way that white women apply fake tan and inject fillers into their lips, wearing weaves is the only way that black woman can gave long, soft hair. Simple as that, and I feel for them cos the weaves get hot and sweaty, really not comfortable.

      Timothy - 2012-05-24 15:18

      Thanks for clearing that up for me. Right, back onto the important matter of this painting.