News24

Zuma rebukes Zulu king for gay slur

2012-01-23 14:45

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma reportedly hit back at King Goodwill Zwelithini who was quoted as saying that homosexuals are "rotten".

"Traditionally, there were no people who engaged in same sex relationships. There was nothing like that and if you do it, you must know that you are rotten," he said at a ceremony on Sunday marking the 133rd anniversary of the Battle of Isandlwana, where the Zulu army defeated British imperial forces.

"I don't care how you feel about it. If you do it, you must know that it is wrong and you are rotten. Same sex is not acceptable."

But Zuma said at the ceremony that the country must end discrimination against gays and lesbians.

"Today, we are faced with different challenges... challenges of reconciliation and of building a nation that does not discriminate against other people because of their colour or sexual orientation," Zuma said, according to The Times.

The SA Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation also responded to Zwelithini's statement on Monday.

GLAAD's Cobus Fourie said in a statement to News24: "We find it extremely distressing that a high profile person makes such vexing and degrading comments about an increasingly vulnerable community.

"We have enough instances of hate crimes in this country and we do not need to add insult to injury."

Zuma himself sparked a firestorm six years ago, before he was president, when he was quoted as saying that same-sex marriages were "a disgrace to the nation and to God" and that he would have beaten gays when growing up.

He later apologised.

South Africa is one of the few countries in the world to extend equal rights to gays, and is the only nation in Africa to allow same-sex marriage.

Comments
  • E=MC2 - 2012-01-23 14:56

    ah yes, double standards... gotta love it. Whatever get you votes hey Zuma!

      cheryl.kristiansen - 2012-01-23 15:38

      @E=MC2. People can change you know. perhaps he has simply realised that he was wrong back then.

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-01-23 15:41

      Lol Cheryl. Wool. Eyes.

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-23 15:50

      TRS - my thoughts exactly!

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-23 16:02

      Because they're the censor police :)

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 16:24

      He is now the President and its his job to stand by the constitution, regardless of previous statements

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-01-23 16:24

      The Newstapo have been busy. I'm coining the phrase.

      Anthony - 2012-01-23 16:27

      This is the problem with royalty. One does not need an ounce of decency, to be a King !!!!!!

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-23 16:28

      hahahaha nice TRS! :D

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 16:43

      @Anthony decency isn't required just a birth right and millions of willing subjects. Our king has both

      Anthony - 2012-01-23 17:16

      @Andile.Ngcobo, I ,very much , respect the Zulu Nation, but can't respect a king , who does not respect "ALL" his subjects!!!!!

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 18:19

      on this issue I don't agree with the king either but he cant please all the people all the time. He is human and has personal views

      John - 2012-01-23 19:45

      “ The Gang of Four Chinese Communist Party members came to power during the Cultural Revolution (1966–76), and were charged with a series of treasonous crimes. The gang consisted of Jiang Qing, Mao Zedong's last wife as the leading figure of the group, and her close associates Zhang Chunqiao, Yao Wenyuan, and Wang Hongwen. In 1980, the trials of the Gang of Four began. Among the prosecution’s charge of actual crimes were the usurpation of state power and party leadership; the persecution of some 750,000 people, 34,375 of whom died during the period 1966-76. It was at this trial that Jiang Qing made the famous quote: "I was Chairman Mao's dog. I bit whomever he asked me to bite." Jiang Qing was sentenced to death in 1981. “ Source Wikipidia. I was inspired to write a song commemorating the death of such evil people: Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Mao Tse Tsung! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Jiang Qing! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs Gang of Four! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss!

      Bert - 2012-01-23 21:09

      Don't you just love this John! Posts the same diatribe on all posts with contentious issues. Hey John, this is a Dear John, if you know ehat this means, do it!

  • Mike - 2012-01-23 14:57

    So it is OK to have 20 plus wives but as long as you are NOT gay??? I'm absolutely going to love the stand-off between THESE two!!! News24, please keep us posted!! Who are the forefathers going to support???

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-23 15:07

      Mike don't be an idiot and try find commonalities between cultural practises and homophobia, they are two completely different things... How you try to tie up the two is strange.

      Mbulelo - 2012-01-23 15:11

      Well Mike it's how its always been in black culture.Isithembu is a norm, and every black person who knows our history knows that very well.

      David - 2012-01-23 15:12

      Why, oh Why, is my hard-earned tax money used for the upkeep of this ancient homophobic royal system? I ask with tears in my eyes.

      Mike - 2012-01-23 15:12

      @Pointblank: It is the principle my friend, not the commonality!!

      cheryl.kristiansen - 2012-01-23 15:40

      @Mike. 2 different debates. Like smokers moaning about alcohol abuse in public.

      George - 2012-01-23 16:03

      "Today, we are faced with different challenges" Yes quite right, Idiots running the country

      Jou - 2012-01-23 16:39

      Absolutely Mike. Both these morons speak with forked tongue. Pot and kettle syndrome.

  • Deeteem - 2012-01-23 14:58

    Zuma rebukes Zulu king for gay slur : Now JZ has the power to tell his king what to say and when ???

      Mvikeli - 2012-01-23 15:00

      No-one rebuked anyone. Just another misleading headline.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-23 15:08

      Yes Deeteem, he is the president... The King has no authority..

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-01-24 01:30

      We should have no Kings - this is a Country, after all. Methinks that is the reason so many politicians stand firm in their belief of avarice. How can we be a democracy with so many oligarchs in the mix? I would like to know what we pay the various Kings in our Country, and what they do to uplift their own Communities.

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-23 15:02

    Marrying many wives and condemnig gay relationships and marriages belong to the same era. Zwelithini is condemning homosexualism when you are a polygamist and to me you and your fellow always use culture for selfish reasons.

  • Chris - 2012-01-23 15:02

    Is this not a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black? .... Oops, am I allowed to say that.

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-23 15:08

      you rrrraseeest agent!!! :P

      Bert - 2012-01-23 21:13

      I'm sure E=MC2 posted with tongue in cheek!

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-24 09:35

      ;)

  • Shirley - 2012-01-23 15:04

    The Zulu nation has made history then if there have NEVER been gays! Spin all you like Zuma but Poligamy isnt exactly what the rest of the world calls acceptable! None so blind as those who will not see!

      Bert - 2012-01-23 21:18

      Check the reign of Shaka and what he did with men who were 'light of tread' - "Want something up your cavity?, then sit on top of this 12 foot pole" Awe, no grease either, just a tap with a stick to send a vibration to liven things up a bit!

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-23 15:05

    Marrying many wives and condemnig gay relationships and marriages belong to the same era. Zwelithini is condemning homosexualism when you are a polygamist and to me you and your fellow always use culture for selfish reasons.

  • Hermann - 2012-01-23 15:09

    Now where does Zuma stand on traditional values? Where it suites him?

      David - 2012-01-23 15:23

      4-6 wives suits him best. The rest he agrees with who ever he is talking to at that time.Sweet, ain't it?

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 16:28

      he stands where the constitution puts him

  • Makua - 2012-01-23 15:10

    hahahaha...a kettle and a pot!

  • Max - 2012-01-23 15:11

    If I was a Zulu I would have been really confused now...

      Mlungisi.Chamane - 2012-01-23 16:10

      then u will be a stupid zulu... nothing is comfusing here... these two things here are non-comparable. FACT: polygamy is a part of the culture where-else homosexual is NOT. I dont see anything comfusing about that. If we allow such that means we are going against the Culture, Religion, and Science (like charges repel each other and unlike charges attract each other)

      Mike - 2012-01-23 16:42

      And so is living standards, human relieving standards, higiene standards, religeous believes, human ethics, morality, family intergration, education measurements, right and wrong, etc. Thus two different rule books and dictionaries for standards?? So you say we can't compare???? Interesting!! But both are however from the same culture, so you would expect that THEIR standards should at least (as both are "leaders") sort of agree?

      Bert - 2012-01-23 21:23

      @Mlungisi, "nothing is confusing here", you got to be one very confused person to even want to endorse polygamy. Who in there right mind would want more than one wife. Ooops, silly me, they work, you dont! I suppose not a bad culture for the lazies! Dont worry the minorities will take care of you.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-01-24 01:36

      Mlungisi, it seems I know more about Zulu culture than you do. It was not unknown for young braves full of testosterone to return from wars and 'take' young women from behind (anally)as not to make them unacceptable for marriage. Now where did they get THAT idea?

  • Vuyo - 2012-01-23 15:13

    Same-sex marriages are a culture and culture cannot be changed by politicians . people change their culture over time . I am not surprised that there is so much violence against same-sex partners , because people are being forced to accept them . I believe that with time people will accept these partnership but they have to be allowed to adjust. Having a law which labels as a criminal anyone who doesn't accept homos is very naive indeed and may do just thew opposite , no law will make people to change their attitude .

      E - 2012-01-23 15:44

      @ Vuyo, in a generally good comment, you show two misunderstandings: - homosexuality is not "culture" ... it is a biological and psychological fact; - there is no such law that ..."labels as a criminal anyone who doesn't accept homos"... There is only a law that says everyone must be treated alike, whether you are black or white, like carrots or broccoli, wear pink or green, believe the earth is round or flat, etc etc. Being tolerant of differences, and forcing people to accept an idea are two different things. The former is the ideal, the second is unacceptable.

      Mike - 2012-01-24 07:49

      Don't worry Vuyo, AIDS will take care of the pologomy culture!

  • AmosMoledi - 2012-01-23 15:13

    the headline is so exaggerating.... Zuma did not hit back at all

  • Katoolsie - 2012-01-23 15:14

    Thanks JZ. For once you stand up for us!

  • Sechaba - 2012-01-23 15:20

    if Zuma was not a president he would have the same view about gays as king Zwelithini

      David - 2012-01-23 15:35

      Zuma once said "When I was a young man,a gay would not stand in front of me.I would knock him out". He later apologised when the gay community criticised this.

      tshiamo.morajane - 2012-01-23 15:46

      True Sechaba, he is just in for Votes

  • Luke - 2012-01-23 15:28

    Homophobia runs rife!

  • christian.helberg - 2012-01-23 15:31

    "Traditionally, there were no people who engaged in same sex relationships" sorry but with very little written history (last 150 years), how do you know?

  • william - 2012-01-23 15:38

    KING GOODWELL, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED?? YOU NEED, YOU KNOW WHAT, UP YOUR YOU KNOW WHAT!!!!!

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-23 16:03

      but that would make him rotten

      Bert - 2012-01-23 21:25

      William is your first name Sweet?

  • Anton - 2012-01-23 15:39

    UMMMM Zuma, you are the bafoon that said a few years ago that you would 'knock Gays down'..... you have double standards fatty

  • Andrew - 2012-01-23 15:48

    Homosexuals are rotten? Only if (1) they are ANC in government and (b) Steal from the public purse. Then they are as rotten as non-homosexuals in government.

  • Hendrik - 2012-01-23 15:51

    Good for the King to stand up and speak his mind. he is entitled to do so. No reason why he is not entitled to his opinion.

      mbossenger - 2012-01-23 16:36

      Even a grossly misinformed one

  • kylecorreiadearaujo - 2012-01-23 16:00

    Haha, I only found out today, there was such a thing as a ZULU King... Shows though... the minute ignorance flows from the hole in your face... it bothers the people...

  • rina.breed - 2012-01-23 16:11

    Dear Mr. President. You have certainly grown as a person and politician.

  • Phoenix - 2012-01-23 16:14

    Of all the people that i expect to understand discrimination against gays, I would imagine black people should because of how they were treated during apartheid... But no... We never learn, do we?

  • Charmaine - 2012-01-23 16:42

    Some very good comments here, President Zuma has the right here... King is nothing, just a title. with all these disputes for 2012, we are not going to see peace. Nothing has changed.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-01-24 01:41

      Khumbu, it was not unknown for young braves full of testosterone to return from wars and 'take' young women from behind (anally) as not to make them unacceptable for marriage. Now where did they get THAT idea

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-01-24 01:43

      From the ancient Greeks? Prison? Come now. Let's be reasonable.

  • STYLEbudd - 2012-01-23 16:45

    In our culture its "rotten" to mercilessly slaughter a cow infront of children and other family ..... I arrest my case!

  • africanhope - 2012-01-23 17:10

    No problem Your majesty. Can I just have my tax money that you have so generously received from me every year back? I mean, if I am rotten, then my money is tainted, and we don't want it to infect you in any way right? So let me know when you will do the payment, and I will sent you my banking details! Thank you You Majesty, and by the way, nice leopard print and very pretty feathers you are wearing! AH

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-01-24 01:46

      I hope the leopard skin is fake, or I will be riding his ass! He should be an example to his followers when it comes to conservation. We are fiddling while Rome is burning.

  • Mkulisi - 2012-01-23 17:41

    Excuse me wasn't shaka gay I mean he had no female relationships that are known in history, in fact he hated man who were preoccupied by woman instead of war. And I cant even begin on Mzilikazi as we was known to be intimately attracted to a white missionary man, read history if you dnt believe me.

  • Vhuthu - 2012-05-03 16:32

    we ol hav our opinions 2wadz staf,i for 1 dnt condone dis gay thng itz disgustin. i cn liv wit them bt if they invade my space i wil switch on 2 elimination mode.PERIOD!

  • Storm Ferguson Snr - 2015-08-05 14:15

    King? He's Chief of the Zulus. The king appellation is incorrect.

  • pages:
  • 1