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Release miners by Sunday, Zuma told

2012-08-31 17:14

Johannesburg - Lawyers acting for 269 arrested Lonmin miners have given President Jacob Zuma until Sunday to release their clients.

In a hard-hitting letter delivered to Zuma on Friday, attorneys Maluleke Msimang and Associates told the president the decision by the National Prosecuting Authority to charge their clients was “bizarre in the extreme”.

Zuma is requested to secure the release of all detainees by 13:00 on Sunday or face an urgent High Court application compelling the president to release the mineworkers.

The NPA’s decision to charge the miners with common purpose murder has been criticised by constitutional experts. This afternoon Justice Minister Jeff Radebe asked acting NPA head Nomgcobo Jiba for an explanation.

The legal team, led by advocate Dali Mpofu, has also rubbished claims by the NPA that the accused planned the murders.

Maluleke, Msimang and Associates says keeping the miners behind bars is “unlawful”.

“Our clients have been in police custody for the past 15 days since the massacre. It is not in dispute that they formed part of the group of workers who held a sit-down protest on the mountain or hill where the massacre took place and that they were arrested in a random swoop of some of the protesters, shortly after the shootings by the police directed at the protesters and strikers,” reads the letter.

Inquiry

It is the “understatement of the century”, they say, “to call this turn of events bizarre in the extreme”.

“It is inconceivable that the South African state, of which you are the head, and any of its various public representatives, officials and citizens, can genuinely and honestly believe or even suspect that our clients murdered their own colleagues and in some cases, their own relatives,” the letter reads.

The lawyers say it was “obvious” that it was police who opened fire and killed the striking mineworkers, not their colleagues.

“This much was seen by millions of people on television around the world. More significantly, it was admitted by the National Police Commissioner [General Riah Phiyega] on 17 August. Her only qualification was to the effect that the police had killed the protesters in self-defence. That they [police] killed the protesters is not in dispute.”

Zuma’s establishment of a judicial commission of inquiry a week ago is meant to investigate the 34 murders at Lonmin.

“If the South African state is correctly awaiting the outcome of the inquiry in order to determine the possibility of criminal charges, how can the same state logically sustain its actions in charging our clients before the inquiry has even started its work?” the lawyers ask.

The NPA has urged the public to allow the prosecution to prove its case that the murders were premeditated and the mineworkers were guilty of common purpose murder.

“In terms of the law, co-perpetrators may be held liable for the death of members of their group or of others where there is enough evidence of foreseeing that death may result as a consequence of their collective action, and nonetheless proceeding with that action.

“This approach is based on sound legal principles that are well established in law and there is case law to support the approach the NPA has adopted,” said spokesperson Bulelwa Makeke.

Comments
  • chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-31 17:19

    Told Zuma... Why not take it up with the Police???

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-31 18:09

      The only liability with the NPA's action is the fact that they only arrested 270 perpetrators of common purpose murder - they should have arrested 4000 people.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-08-31 18:55

      This has nothing to do with Zoomer, it's a matter for the courts and law. This is just another attempt to undermine the judiciary

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-08-31 19:30

      This law is also praticed in the US. Its called guilty by association. Keep the hooligans in jail and of the streets where normal people would like to make a contribution to the country in a good way.

      max.reynecke - 2012-08-31 19:37

      @Claudia_Meads, I have allot of respect for your opinion on various issues but please explain why you feel that the NPA is right to charge the miners with common purpose murder?

      godfrey.welman - 2012-08-31 20:47

      Either Zuma as President stop the NPA from prosecuting or withdraw the Commission of Enquiry as they are contradiction of each other. One (NPA) say they are the murderes the other (Comm. Enq) say not sure who commit murder.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-08-31 22:01

      Release them and what then - give Malema and his threats credibility and strength to go ahead and cause similar situations in future. We are on the brink of a civil war in SA. We cannot allow these type of actions to go on - let the law run its course.

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-01 00:49

      max.reynecke Without risking a forth year dissertation on criminal law, just read what the NPA spokesman said - "...co-perpetrators may be held liable for the death of members of their group or of others where there is enough evidence of foreseeing that death may result as a consequence of their collective action, and nonetheless proceeding with that action..." Inter alia (in simple terms), - Why do you pitch up on a hill (viz a vantage point) with (near) one meter long pangas (weapons of deadly purpose) - to swat flies.., or perhaps to hunt a rabbit..? - Why don't you disperse when the police repeatedly tell you to..? - Why do you fire upon heavily armed police..? - Why do storm heavily armed police while you carry weapons of deadly purpose..? - Did you, or did you not, repeatedly threaten to attack the evidently heavily armed police..? etcetera... Let the case go to court and let us see how the accused stand up against cross examination. I sense that the perpetrator's legal team is/are seriously desperate - hence the desperate attempt at a feeble red herring - to threaten the president of the country.., please, get real...

      theo.dupreez - 2012-09-01 10:04

      While I think it's a little harsh to prosecute the miners for the murders, the fact that they were armed to the teeth with pangas and assegaais and sticks means that they had the criminal intent to injure (if not murder). I would say they are guilty of manslaughter and should be prosecuted for that till the end. The argument is further enhanced by the fact they they visited witchdoctors to protect them from the police's bullets. That is a sign that they expect confrontation, and only a brain dead person would not expect violence and injuries and possible death between 3000 miners heavily armed and some 300 police with guns.

  • Cameron - 2012-08-31 17:24

    If Zuma gives in the, the law has no meaning!

      ianon.ym - 2012-08-31 18:42

      In other words, F$§$ed either way :)

      johan.maree.5036 - 2012-09-01 08:20

      I might be giving him too much credit, but I might have discovered his plan... We know Juju (never one to miss an opportunity to drop his morals even lower than we thought humanly possible) left Zuma and the entire ANC with egg on their faces after he unashamedly hijacked the miners' memorial service scoring cheap political points while turning their anger towards our troubled president. The master of disaster Zuma had to come up with a quick counter! While furiously conniving, he concocted "Operation Hero"; It starts off... He instructs the NPA (aka his lapdog) to lay murder charges against the miners, while publicly keeping his distance from this prosecution. Now, he knows that they will have to ask gov. for "help" to get the evil NPA to drop the case. After a time consuming introspection and diligently "applying his mind", Zuma proclaims; "I am a born again 'economic???' freedom fighter, the new champion of the poor, the all marrying, all powerful and as confusing and laughable as it may seem to us mere mortals, the people's saviour from his own oppressive anc." He then gives all 269 miners a presidential pardon, instantly transforming him from Villain to Hero... ps: The law never had any meaning to Zuma.

  • marc.schnehage - 2012-08-31 17:27

    The NPA is correct. Its called dolus eventualis. The group of strikers knew that their militant actions might result in the death of any of them (irrespective of who caused the death). Nonetheless, they continued with their actions.

      Olusunne - 2012-08-31 17:54

      dolus eventualis is acting on common purpose an the group must have for seen the end results of their actions and reconcile them selves with it in this case the miners acted on common purpose to protest as for public violence charges there was no public violated because this protest happen in the bushes away from the public or public property or lonlin property they did not damage anything or inconvinience any one and for the 10 murders i dont think so as for the 34 murders they did not commit that crime

      cameronrh1 - 2012-08-31 18:07

      @Olusunne, i believe they forsore the events which could have transpired, why else would they have payed over R1000 each to a witchdoctor for "mutti" that would make them impervious to their bullets. And they broke the mutti's spell by killing the poor bunny rabbit that was running around the hills. (OMG i had such a good laugh when i read this in the news)

      mthetheleli.ntshobololo.1 - 2012-08-31 19:13

      this is all rubbish, in the recent yrs people have been killed by police during protests whether for service delivery or something else,no protesters were ever arrested & charges with murder. the last time we heard of this madness was in the days of apartheid of which ANC opposed it because they were the targets. these clowns are protecting their elected bosses period by diverting attention away from politicians.we can see through.

  • johan.vermeulen.127 - 2012-08-31 17:34

    Where is zuma holding them captive? In his office?

      mari.theologo - 2012-08-31 17:47

      Wow these people really are ignorant what is he suppose to do they broke the law and it seems in this country everybody's demands goes to the President even if u break the law by killing innocent policemen an security gaurds! We are doomed!!

  • Malose-Nyatlo - 2012-08-31 17:38

    Somewhere on the East Rand, miners are planning another murderous march for wages. Led by the incorrigible Julius Malema, the miners are expected to make the mines 'ungovernable'. Nobody has so far raised a voice against the satanic plans - maybe because a typical SA worker has traditionally learned to hate his employer with a passion, and everybody agreed. Must police fold their arms (guns) and do nothing?

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-08-31 18:04

      Reuters reported about an hou ago that the strikes can (and will) spread and that the 12000 strikers at Goldfields (also involved in a wildcat strike) is maybe only the beginning.

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-08-31 18:08

      What hate his employer with a passion that's where the problem starts the employees would be doomed if it hadn't been for employers with guts to start any sort of business here

      Isabel - 2012-08-31 19:26

      Malose-Nyatlo, you are so right. People are now saying that the police went right in there and massacred the miners. Sorry, I just don't buy that. What were the police supposed to do, and what did the miners think when they went up against them with lethal weapons, including guns? Fine, in extreme measures a policeman may have to lay down his life for the greater good, but this does not include committing suicide. Self-defence is the right of every person, and until it's proved to me otherwise, I'm behind them 100%. This is the ANC's legacy. This is what they gave birth to in the 80s and 90s and now the child has grown up and become a second-generation terrorist they are appalled. Well, suck it up, ANC. It's ALL your fault!

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-08-31 17:43

    I don't wish to be in Zuma's shoes right now! If he gives in to these demands he will be opening another thorny issue regarding the independence of the judiciary from the executive. Waiting eagerly for the outcome!

      mknnko003 - 2012-08-31 18:05

      The separation of powers phenomenon is quite fuzzy, we should also remember that there is nothing about such concept in the constitution, it is being advocated by political scholars but I get your point. It will be an interesting thing to follow...

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-31 18:21

      beki.khumalo You make such a valuable contribution (thank you). It is an element missed by the international media (by-and-large) - the incessant indoctrination to hate authority. It is a monster that will, if is not already, turn on the ANC. It will turn SA into a hell that will make Apartheid look like a picnic.

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-31 22:25

      I doubt if Zuma even has the legal power to order the releases. Maybe a pardon is possible afer conviction. If he or the lawyers against him succeed in executing such powers as are being sough for it will be the end of the separation of powers. Julius Malema with his ill-gotten fortunes are probably behind the lawyers with their claims.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-08-31 17:48

    It is clear that the striking miners had intention to kill the police. Why did they carry sticks and pangas? Why did they steal police weapons? Set them free. That is what we do with criminals in this country.

      allan.grant.142 - 2012-08-31 17:54

      Yes and why did they need to see a muti man to protect them if they were peacefull

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-08-31 18:02

    why the hell are they keeping them in jail for this long? I don't care what the skewed thinkers are saying on this forum, why add murder which was committed by our incompetent, untrained police on the charge sheet?

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-08-31 20:13

      I am not surprised by people who do not value life and still see other human beings as barbaric or animals, they know no better. Their parents missed those lessons or they don't exist.

      Isabel - 2012-08-31 21:37

      Because they are all flight risks, and the authorities don't have fixed addresses for most of them. They are being held humanely in accordance with the law. Nobody made them do what they did: they did it willingly and now they have to take the consequences. You can't pick and choose which bits of the law apply to you, as JZ will soon find out if he tries to interfere.

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-09-01 13:05

      isabel the law is not for only the people who have fixed addresses. I am sure you are still reading apartheid text books, where have you been all these years? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? If the mine bosses paid them decent salaries they would have their own fixed addresses.

  • veldt66 - 2012-08-31 18:03

    Release all those miners now, our people ar being exploited by the bloody capitalists in collaboration with local inbreds.

      julio.sanfona - 2012-08-31 18:44

      A correction here, our people are not being exploited by bloody capitalists, they are being lied to by the "leaders" that they voted for. They actually are getting what they deserve because they keep on voting for incompetent and corrupt politicians.

      tw2066 - 2012-08-31 22:59

      Hehe - Ja Zuma you capitalist.... hehe you are not of the "our people" nor one of the "white people". Hehe. Does Trevor Noah know you have been classesed as one of his people by one of your - I mean our .. no no I mean their ... by ag by a blog poster ,,, hehehe. Ja Afican logic is funny.

      pisciotta - 2012-09-02 16:19

      Veldt66 (Cosmos) - no one forces anyone to work in the mines. Let you and your people create a self-sustaining economy on your own and stop blaming the world for your failures.

  • jasonwarnerza - 2012-08-31 18:08

    "Zuma’s establishment of a judicial commission of inquiry a week ago is meant to investigate the 34 murders at Lonmin." mur·der The *unlawful premeditated* killing of one human being by another. Err... there's been no court decision on legality of the killings, so it's not murder (yet). Impartial journalism please. :)

  • buti.lembe - 2012-08-31 18:08

    It's very sad for South African president(JZ) that even an infant can tries to open h/h mouth to him & say what ever suite h/h.

      tw2066 - 2012-08-31 23:00

      ?

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-08-31 18:09

    Attention seecker this lawyer!do u thnk Zuma will read that letter,BIG NO

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-08-31 18:15

    This might sound a bit extreme but an example has to be made. If juju continues with his crusade there's going to be more bloodshed and unfortunately the innocent always comes off worse. This has to be stopped and desperate times calls for desperate measures.

  • bobo.jane.1 - 2012-08-31 18:16

    Well it shouldn`t be a problem really... Because he released a few thousand inmates a few moths ago for the fun of it. The problem he faces is that not a single one of them is one of his friends with a medical condition of some sorts...Carma is a beaach isn`t it ?

  • mknnko003 - 2012-08-31 18:23

    I just don`t understand why your comments have to be racist some of you...Suffering from mental slavery in 2012!

      tw2066 - 2012-08-31 23:04

      Agreed - this racist stuff has to stop, like AA and BBBEE, and SAAs recruitment policy, and demographic profiling, suffering from mental slavery some people in the ANC.

  • tman.makgoba - 2012-08-31 18:28

    The miners dsn't belong 2 num that's y dey r still behind bars!

  • kelvyn.davidson.1 - 2012-08-31 18:28

    Zuma is not the law nor can he effect change in the law, the law is basic in its make up, these 270 miners were the dye stained miners, the same splinter group that advanced on SAPS members with weapons, the law is simple and clear, if you as a direct action cause the death of another then you as that action are liable to face charges for said action, easy see !! 270 attacked police, as a result 34 killed, so therefore the 270 miners arrested are liable for the deaths of 34, attempted murder of the injured and lets not forget the 1 security officer, 2 SAPS members hacked to death and 7 NUM members murdered prior.

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-08-31 18:33

    When other nationalities called us black south Africans dumb I used to kick off but now I can see the reason why they called us such names as stupid,idiots and etc my question to my fellow black south africans why didnt we condemned the actions of the miners when they first killed 10 people including 2 policemen and 2 security guards? now most of you out there you're blaming Jacob Zuma for what? Is he the one who told the miners to attack the police? Those miners were wrong to act in that manner and as a nation it's about time to stop protecting evil deeds because are done by our black brothers, we said we want to run the economy how can we do it if we still makes decisions like pre-school kids, black south Africans it's about time we start growing up mentally,emotionally,knowledge and wisdom wise, blame game or self pity ain't taking us nowhere.

      Isabel - 2012-08-31 19:30

      Well said Keith. Nobody can condone the loss of life, but I firmly believe that the miners brought most of it on themselves. Our police force, useless as they are sometimes, are all that stands between us and anarchy.

      mthetheleli.ntshobololo.1 - 2012-08-31 20:11

      Well Keith you are really dumb,we critisize the killing of any body unlike you, we are not selective. we critised the killing of those 10 people, your problem is that you have selective amnesia. president is being criticised because this happened under the noses of his incompetent deployees.you can justify the actions of the police all you want, the fact remains they were there to avenge the death of their coleagues which was wrong.

      tertia.boswell - 2012-09-01 10:18

      My worst problem right now is, it only allows me to hit the "like" button once on this comment. Thank you, Keith. I'd like to suggest, though, that some South Africans of all races need the growing up process. I would also like to suggest that the law gets applied equally irrespective of race or allegiance to politicians.

      lmanonose - 2012-09-01 14:36

      Keith you are dead right bro,Some of our bros and sisters will continue to put blame for their failures on anyone else except themselves.Common scapegoats are Apartheid, colonialism,imperialism etc etc.You know what the most underestimated dangerous thing to our bros and sisters out there is ignorance and lack of education.

  • julio.sanfona - 2012-08-31 18:34

    Zuma must tread carefully because he has the ANC re-election later this year. He has to pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a way to please as many people as possible, i.e. the police and the unions. Principles here don't matter, as if he had any, what really matters is his re-election. Stuff what's right for the nation.

      daniel.machet - 2012-08-31 19:57

      Just so long as he doesn't chase the rabbit after and kill it for lunch... apparently that doesn't bode well

  • khanya.mlozana - 2012-08-31 18:34

    good try npa but the murder charge won't stand in sa court, may b in zimbabwe. Unfortunately is a murder against saps, the whole world saw them killing miners in cold blood.

  • blackpower.africaneuropean - 2012-08-31 18:36

    To all the brainless morrons who say the miners had it coming. No 1: nearly all the minors acording to the post mortem were shot in the back. No 2:A policeman is not alowd to fire into a crowd indescrimanantly even if someone in the crowd is firing at them. They have to consider the inocent. And even though the coward police shot them in the back the minors are charged with murder. And only 25 of the 250 minors are going to apear in court to represent all 250. That means 225 minors could go to jail for murder without saying one word in thier defence. This cangeroo court is actualy going to cover up the crimes of the crimanal cops who opened fire on a crowd of people who were running away acording to post mortem results. These pigs need to face murder charges not the minors and also SABC and E news for trying to cover up a mass murder and distort what actualy hapenned. There is aparently no footage of the incedent even though cameras were rolling before and after the incedent. I WILL NEVER RESPECT A POLICE OFICER AGAIN. Now you know why you are called pigs because that is what you are.

      John - 2012-08-31 18:43

      I thoroughly agree with you. I would love to know the answers to your questions, which by the way are mine too!

      Isabel - 2012-08-31 19:32

      Ok, so you'd have been the one standing in front of the miners saying: "Now calm down gentlemen. Let's just talk about this reasonably". Get real. What would YOU have done in those policemen's shoes?

      bobo.jane.1 - 2012-08-31 20:05

      "No 1: nearly all the minors acording to the post mortem were shot in the back." blackpower : I must say that I have studied all online video`s from all available news agencies, and unless you can provide me with a link where any "Minors" were shot in the back or even from the front, I`m sorry to say I don`t believe a single word you said.

      tertia.boswell - 2012-09-01 10:29

      I guess the security guards and fellow miners that were hacked to death were also shot in the back, according to you? Was that after they were hacked? Must have been, since this happened before the first shot was fired. And how would you describe innocent, if a crowd of ARMED people descend on you, ALL of whom are already guilty of murder by association due to the brutal deaths that had already occurred?

  • fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-08-31 18:40

    Or What?

  • rousseau.kirsten - 2012-08-31 18:48

    We give the police a little more right to protect the nation. If the police did not shoot there would have been more police officers dead. Next time the police needs sort out a roit they should just give candy to the crimanals.This fiasco is just covering the fact that those miners killed 10 people. Wonder what the family of the 10 victims are saying

  • mimoons24 - 2012-08-31 19:06

    i just Love claudia meades comments..:)

  • irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-31 19:13

    Let them rot in jail. If they're primitive enough to believe killing a white rabbit causes this, then they do not belong in society but rather a mental asylum!

      Zukile Marcus - 2012-08-31 19:31

      Irene some one please show me this footage; this to me is just a hear say; as most of the footages related to this incident has been published. Infringing these to their rights just because they were striking is so unconstitutional in an era of democracy. People like you should be ashamed siding with the biased law enforcement just because the incident doesnt affect you personally am so disappointed at your uninformed comment

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-31 20:05

      Zukile ~ People like you should be ashamed for supporting a bunch of violent thugs who killed 10 people because they wouldn't strike with them. Sorry, no matter which way you look at it, you don't negotiate anything with panga or a knife and proudly lick it for the photographers. These miners are despicable and primitive creatures who are so locked and lost in their backwardness that they do not deserve to be in society. They should all rot in jail and if you support them, them so do you.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-08-31 21:37

      @Irene buthelezi I love you though I don't know you and had never met you before, the problem about our brothers they're suffering from a disease called africanism which affects the brain to function properly from birth, in any country in this planet if people armed themselves to fight the police they're digging their own grave, when those first 10 people lost their lives through these thugs the same people who are bashing the police didn't condemn the miners thuggish behavior at all, if we want to make south Africa a better place for all we should stop protecting the evil deeds just simply because have done by our fellow brothers, those thugs deserve everything coming to their way they're all idiots.

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-09-01 09:46

      It is so sad that the west influenced media is feeding the world with a stupid belief after interviewing an uneducated miner This is now used as a general belief of a many black persons. No wonder some whites on this forum believe all blacks look the same, behave the same. It is even sad when a black person also join in the chorus with the misinformed and so called educated citizens with superior education.

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-08-31 19:15

    I agree with these lawyers. These minworkers are didnt kill their colleagues.Everybody knows that the police killed these workers. May be it is a serious crime in our country to join a union which is not affiliated to Cosatu-the alliance partner of the ruling party. A certain political analyst argues that freedom is not about replacing whites with blacks. it is how someone is running the country

      Isabel - 2012-08-31 19:34

      It's a serious crime to kill anyone, but especially a policeman.

      zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-08-31 19:38

      corrections : ignore : are (my 1st sentence)

  • jessica.wright.946517 - 2012-08-31 19:25

    Hope the miners rot in jail. That's what should happen to people who think they can use barbarity to get what they want. Disgusting. To the people who are shouting that they're innocent: why were they hacking up security guards and other miners, and carrying machetes to a 'peaceful' march? No sympathy whatsoever for any of them.

      Isabel - 2012-08-31 19:34

      Anyone who haarms a policeman should get an automatic life sentence.

      Zukile Marcus - 2012-08-31 19:35

      jessica these people were not arrested because they hacked security re read the article and know the charges laid against them before you puff the stinking air with your eating hole

      mthetheleli.ntshobololo.1 - 2012-08-31 22:49

      @Zukile, you cannot talk sense to these people even if you were to bring sketches. there's a certain Keith ngobeni who make noise about 10people that were killed days b4 34miners were killed.these people don't read they just answer,this murder charge is not about the 10 people that were killed including security & two policemen, its about 34 that were shot by police.

  • dinitech - 2012-08-31 19:40

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF4-45bACh8 Amos 3:7 certainly, the Almighty LORD doesn't do anything unless he first reveals his secret to his servants the prophets.

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-08-31 19:46

    A good argument from these lawyers.Everyone knows that these workers didnt kill their colleagues.why our govt doesnt release these men? This is a violation of human rights. It is true that freedom is not about replacing white people with blacks.it is about how someone is running his/her country

      lmanonose - 2012-09-01 15:13

      In a democratic GOVT there is something called The Principle of Separation of Powers.Parliament makes the Laws that governs you and me its made up of elected officials elected by you and me.The President and his chosen Ministers form the Executive arm of GOVT these guys execute/enforce the law.The Judiciary is the third leg of GOVT.Its made up Judges.These guys interpret the Law.Under the Principle of Separation of Powers each leg /arm of GOVT will not interfere with the operation of the other.They all have one common objective ,to do their job for the common good of the country 'so help me God'

  • tin.can.501598 - 2012-08-31 19:49

    In 2012 and Impi was ready to slaughter.....Modern day laws are ready to defend barbaric acts .....Eishhhh ...No words !

  • Neal Sing - 2012-08-31 20:16

    why wait for Sunday. Release them now!They only fought for a better life!

      lmanonose - 2012-09-01 15:25

      Who should release them.Once a docket has been opened,the courts will have to decide to release or not to release.This is going to be a test case for law and order in the country.Fighting for bread and butter issues, does someone need a knob carry ,or spear or worse still a gun.

  • boulvy.selala - 2012-08-31 21:39

    The Lonmin mine shootings were so reminiscent of the past.Rich people are being defended again and poor people are attacked.The famous definition of insanity is to commit the same mistakes over and over again. Zuma yet again is scared to overturn this ridiculous ruling.I didn't believe Malema but this just proved how cowardise Zuma is..

      tw2066 - 2012-08-31 23:09

      Huh? The SAPS run by the ANC shot miners from the union? Are the miners rich? The police are rich? Lonmin had nothing to do with the shooting, they were neither there with guns nor protesting??

  • tinotenda.panashe - 2012-08-31 22:04

    what

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-01 09:10

    Its going to be interesting to hear after the police watchdog come out with its findings,i am very interested to hear those who commented without facts regarding the killings and the ministers who prematurely endorsed the killings without proper investigations incl. the commisioner and the minister of police and minerals

  • tony.antunes2 - 2012-09-01 12:49

    I thought the government was all about updating the law. Not abiding by a law that was manifested in the apartheid days anyway. Funny thing, not a single London rioter was shot in recent times. Do we not have the resources to handle things defensively where and when it is needed? And if you were a miner, what would you do? A man fighting for a better life... Do the Unions promote unarmed protests? When we refer to education, are these not the issues that should first be addressed? What does a miner know about the Law? This situation is complicated and controversial and I believe the ANC can do more to improve in the future...

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-01 12:53

    Sounds like the good 'ol 'detention without trial',knock knock Robben Island?

  • tertia.boswell - 2012-09-01 14:33

    Excuse me, can anyone explain this to me? A strike gets violent in South Africa at a South African mine. South Africans are killed, including South African policemen. Culprits are caught and jailed and are to stand trial according to South African law. Exactly what has this got to do with Lonmin, a company registered in London? I know their operational head office is in Johannesburg, but I fail to see what they have to do with South African law or what gives them the right to interfere with the law. Their lawyers should mind their own business and allow South African law to run as it stands right now.

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